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| I read most of the posts and I lol at people that took this so serious. I laughed at the end, though I had known the ending from the start of my marathon of watching all 12 episodes(which is the ONLY reason I decided to sit through it and see it play out). I felt sorry for no one and I also laughed at the unrealistic take of school life and romance that this took...it IS based on an H-game, people. And I really liked this adaption of such a game and Makoto acted out his pimp, screw every chick around role to a tee. Hell, he even f***'d Otome's trio("let's see how good he really is?" haha). Of course, he was rather sloppy and got caught. Lesson learned. Don't get caught. |
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| Holy shit what happened did the director had brain surgery when he wrote this............ |
| ｘｂｏｘ : Okami Sphere |
| ~Ah... Having a nice romantic boat ride, in a beutiful sunset, with your dear boyfriend's severed head... :P I was quite awed by this. I expected a "bad" ending, but this far surpassed my expectations. Sekai murdered Itou. Kotonoha removed the corpse's head. Kotonoha murders Sekai, and cuts open her womb, just to examine if she was really pregnant. ~Drama at its best. I was expecting something more closer to the "suicidal" path, instead of the "savage-murder" path. In my opinion, Sekai holds alot of blame upon herself, and Makoto didn't deserve to be murdered. The only reason that made me like Sekai, even if remotely, was because of her striking resemblances to Miyako Miyamura, from Ef -Memories. Other then that... mostly everyone from the main cast was fucked up in one way or another. All except Setsuna. Anyway, in this episode, both Sekai and Makoto share 50-50% (Sekai holds more in my opinion) of the blame that lead to this tragic ending. By the way, I didn't Taisuke anymore... Did he died as well? ^_^ So, is the SD Visual Novel filled with more endgins like this one? Hmm... Also, I wonder how the Cross Days VS will be... Anime gets 7, and episode-12 gets 5, just for having this level of drama, and taking me in an interesting, yet-totally-messed-up, emotional ride. |
| I just watched the whole anime on block. I admit I would have never watched beyond episode 1 if I didn't already hear that the main character gets killed because he cheats on his gf. The first episodes where pretty boring and even though it's wrong to cheat on your girlfriend blahblah, Kotonoha was too much of a princess for my taste. If I was a guy I would have dumped her. The problem wasn't that Makoto left her, but that he didn't TELL her properly. That little Setsuna kid also added fuel by forcing Makoto to ignore Kotonoha. It seems many people blame Sekai (some even more than Makoto)... Sekai was the only character that I still liked at the end. She was serious in love with Makoto, while Kotonoha only used this moral stuff "my boyfriend, my... my...". Their relationship was so weak... it was bound to break ANYWAY, even without any rival girl. But ALL girls (including Sekai) are on fault too. Especially all those classmates who just slept with Makoto because it was just latest fashion or something. Main villain is still Makoto, obviously. Even if he got spoiled by the girls, it was him who started to ignore other peoples feelings completely. Ignoring is not a nice way to break up with anyone, if it's the girlfriend or the affair. Since I already knew Makoto was going to die, all I wondered about was who would kill him. I thought it would be Kotonoha. I was so happy when it was Sekai, since as I said, she was the one I was feeling most with. Naturally I also got my bad surprise when Sekai was killed. I never knew people BESIDE Makoto where being killed! °_° I even thought that the girls kinda unite and kill him together. I really would have preferred that... :( But as for real life: Killing isn't the solution, kids. ;) (cutting off the tail is enough) |
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| The ending reminded my of Higurashi. :P Makoto was a jerk, but he didn't deserve to die. He just wanted pussy, like every straight man out there. Fuck Seika for killing Makoto and yay for Katsura for killing Seika. I wish there was a happy ending version of this... |
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| Wow man Wow |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments  |
| I honestly think this is the only anime where I hated every character but still thought it was a decent show. Well, Kotonoha wasn't bad until she became a psychotic, emotional wreck, carrying around a severed head. |
People are strange, when you're a stranger |
| Well, we all got a horrifying lesson at the end... No matter how fun and pleasurable it is, never sleep together and do a lot of women even though you already have a girlfriend or else one of the women you did will fricken murder you, your girlfriend will friggin butcher your head and murder your killer, and thne go on a VERY NICE BOAT and hug your friggen severed head. Now, that, obviously shocked me for life. Looks like I won't be needing these rubbers anymore. And funny story is, when I watched this the 2nd time, the song, "Your love is a lie" by Simple Plan was stuck in my head |
darkninja_lokiDec 29, 2008 10:33 PM
Genix said: ~Ah... Having a nice romantic boat ride, in a beutiful sunset, with your dear boyfriend's severed head... :P Anime gets 7, and episode-12 gets 5, just for having this level of drama, and taking me in an interesting, yet-totally-messed-up, emotional ride. Genix summed it up very nicely, I agree that episode 12 definitely rates a 5 because of its style and emotional impact. The use of soothing music and gentle imagery in conjunction with bloody murder and breakdown made the finale really powerful and disturbing. Kotonoha's last words, to my mind, leave no doubt that Sekai was really pregnant and exacerbate the sense of horror. I also appreciated (liked isn't the right word!) that the anime doesn't feel the need to make the rape of Kotonoha a couple of episodes earlier as well as this killing of the baby explicit- the implication has much more impact in my opinion as well as being more stylish. Sekai's text "sorry, I'm going home" was almost as chilling as the bloody murder- the sudden change clearly indicating that something had finally snapped. "Nice boat" indeed; now I really need a drink to stop feeling so miserable! |
fedaykinJan 7, 2009 12:04 PM
| "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams |
| I finished this anime about a year ago... but i will still comment here because I've joined MAL rather recently and the ending of School Days is something I will never forget. It was quick and disturbing, yet, somehow I liked it. I guess it's mainly because two of my most hated anime characters died (Makoto and Sekai, of course) To be honest, I was hoping something really violent would happen to the other women (because I hate them very much as well, but I still hated Sekai the most). Oh whatever. I didn't like Kotonoha in the beginning because everything about her was too perfect, but in the end, she ended up being the only character I liked and sympathized with. A lot of people call Kotonoha insane, but if YOU were put through the same trial she was put through, you would go batshit insane as well, from being betrayed by someone you thought was a very good friend to being raped by a man. Makoto is a man without morals, obviously. he would sleep with anyone he can get. I thought death was too good of a reward for him. Oh well, at least he died painfully. Sekai, not only did she purposely toyed with Kotonoha's feelings, also LIED to Makoto and everyone that she's pregnant (attention whore). The fact that she REFUSED to visit the doctor (so that she can have ACTUAL proof that she's pregnant) and the fact that Kotonoha found nothing in her womb are more than enough to convince me that the whole "pregnancy" was a scam for attention. It's hard for me to decide who I hated more: Sekai, or Makoto. Makoto wasn't a really decent guy to begin with, but Sekai is one of those manipulative types that ruins other people's emotions by toying with it. /end rants on hating Sekai and Makoto. If it were not for the shocker ending, to be honest, I would have given this anime a 2 or maybe even 1. It seems after episode 4 or 5, it was all about bullying poor Kotonoha. I'm glad that Kotonoha got her revenge at the end though, so I was able to give it a 7. |
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guyklc said: Sekai, not only did she purposely toyed with Kotonoha's feelings, also LIED to Makoto and everyone that she's pregnant (attention whore). The fact that she REFUSED to visit the doctor (so that she can have ACTUAL proof that she's pregnant) and the fact that Kotonoha found nothing in her womb are more than enough to convince me that the whole "pregnancy" was a scam for attention. Obviously you have evidence for your opinion and it is perfectly valid, but just out of interest, did you consider looking at the facts differently? I mean, Kotonoha, as you said has been awfully traumatised and furthermore has been lying to herself that she is still Makoto's girlfriend with a dazed expression to lessen the shock for the past 6 episodes. It was precisely this blank expression that she had when she was examining the bloody, gutted corpse of her former friend. What do you think she would have said to herself if there was a foetus? It's interesting anyway; after the bouts of morning sickness and all that tummy rubbing, I never considered the possibility that Sekai might not be pregnant. May I ask how you view those scenes when she is on her own and presumably doesn't have any reason to put on an act? |
fedaykinJan 6, 2009 2:07 AM
| "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams |
guyklc said: Sekai, not only did she purposely toyed with Kotonoha's feelings, also LIED to Makoto and everyone that she's pregnant (attention whore). The fact that she REFUSED to visit the doctor (so that she can have ACTUAL proof that she's pregnant) and the fact that Kotonoha found nothing in her womb are more than enough to convince me that the whole "pregnancy" was a scam for attention. It's hard for me to decide who I hated more: Sekai, or Makoto. Oh that evidence is so... so... useless? >_> -She refused to see a doctor... that Kotonoha suggested to REMOVE the baby! What pregnat woman would go and see THAT doctor if she wants to keep a child? If Sekai needs a doctor for normal examinations she would go to one she trusts and not a relative of her archenemy... - Kotonoha found nothing in Sekais womb... Sekai was pregnant only for a few weeks at that point. Do you have an idea how small a baby still is at that time? Do you think you (or Kotonoha) would really be able to just slice up a woman and find her womb that easily and in all that bloody mess being able to find a not even 2 cm big embryo?! I guess Kotonoha payed as much attention in biology class as you did and everyone else who thinks of the pregnacy as a lie because of Kotonohas "examination". lol Even as Sekai fan I also had my doubts if she is really pregnant though. Those doubts where not based on some ridiculous "proof" but just trying to imagine how Sekai felt and finding it actually very possible that she lied to prevent Makoto from leaving her. In the end (and also after playing some of the game the anime is based on) I come back to believe, she WAS pregnant. And if moral freaks hate Sekai for "stealing" Makoto away from Kotonoha, I would like to say that killing an innocent embryo along with the mother (no matter what she did!) is more cruel than anything else, that was done in this anime. |
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canis said: - Kotonoha found nothing in Sekais womb... I dispute this actually, or at the very least we don't know. Remember that Kotonoha has been traumatised and lying to herself for a long time at this point. I find it totally in character for her to have found some bloody remains and denied it to herself, just as the reality of her shattered relationship with Makato. I guess I accept your biological point that I believe others have also made, but I personally would not apply such strict realism to a story. I think the dramatic argument is strong enough. Even as Sekai fan I also had my doubts if she is really pregnant though. Those doubts where not based on some ridiculous "proof" but just trying to imagine how Sekai felt and finding it actually very possible that she lied to prevent Makoto from leaving her. I agree with you and guyklc that this appears plausible on the surface. It would certainly be in character after the hellish suffering Makoto has put her through. However, what then do you make of the scenes where Sekai is alone, experiences morning sickness and rubs her stomach? Was she perhaps lying to herself as well? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but I think the scenes when she is alone and acts pregnant seem to be a problem for your theory. |
| "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams |
Silverhammer said: canis said: Even as Sekai fan I also had my doubts if she is really pregnant though. Those doubts where not based on some ridiculous "proof" but just trying to imagine how Sekai felt and finding it actually very possible that she lied to prevent Makoto from leaving her. I agree with you and guyklc that this appears plausible on the surface. It would certainly be in character after the hellish suffering Makoto has put her through. However, what then do you make of the scenes where Sekai is alone, experiences morning sickness and rubs her stomach? Was she perhaps lying to herself as well? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but I think the scenes when she is alone and acts pregnant seem to be a problem for your theory. Well, I said myself that even though I had that idea for a moment, I don't really believe it myself. XD But IF I still wanted to assume that she wasn't pregnant, I find it very possible for her to lie to herself. The mental stress she has gone through can also have caused her stomach to be upset to a point where she throws up and such. It is also known that the body of women who experience some mental strain, often "forgets" their periode for awhile. So feeling sick and noticing that her periode is late, might have given her the idea she was pregnant and just from imagining that she is, those symptoms remained. But I say it again: I still think she was pregnant. Makoto even admits that they didn't use condoms in the beginning... Game spoilers: |
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| I think Makoto's indeciveness, spinelessness and ignorance that mostly turned the whole thing that way.(even tough if Makoto's character pretty real) I think Sekai's "seduction" were resistable if Makoto were realy in love with Kotonoha. And Kotonoha's suffering? Mostly her cause...she can't get over from a fresh relationship that deffiniately broken, she even never admits herself that Makoto leaved her...she has something wrong in her mind from birth maybe...no willpower, no will to live! I hope i'll never find someone from that kind. The one who suffers the most is Sekai: She's always in doubt that Makoto even likes him...and when she's even a bit sure(2 times) then she gets a big slap in her face(not literaly). Then Makoto and Kotonoha gets back and She thinks that she have been used as a practice doll, a stepstone for getting Kotonoha...hands up who can't be angry about that! Question: If Sekai survives the show: Will She keep the Baby or not? |
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| Kotonoha didn't "win" or anything. What she got ahead, a life of insanity, is worse than the rather quick death that Makoto and Sekai got... |
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willyvereb said: Question: If Sekai survives the show: Will She keep the Baby or not? Uh, Kotonoha killed her and they said she wasn't pregnant. |
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Benj-san said: Uh, Kotonoha killed her and they said she wasn't pregnant. I agree with you that Kotonoha gutting Sekai like a fish is reasonable evidence that Sekai is unlikely to still be alive. However, might it be worth your considering if you can trust Kotohona's last words? Personally I find it difficult to believe that Sekai wasn't pregnant in view of the scenes in which she was alone and acted as though she were pregnant (morning sickness, stomach rubbing). It's not totally impossible that she was mistaken, but I find it more plausible that Kotohona was hiding from the truth. |
| "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams |
| I think willyvereb's question was meant to be like "IF she did survive, would she keep the baby." We know she died, but if Kotonoha didn't kill her, I think she'd keep it of course. It would have been the only thing she can hold onto after Makoto is gone and she has to face the conseqences of killing someone. But I'm really getting worried that there are STILL that many people who think Sekai wasn't pregnant, JUST because Kotonoha said so... I hope people won't start to believe that "cutting a woman open" is the best way to tell if she is pregnant or not... Girl X: Mommy... I think I'm pregnant! T_T Mother: Oh dear... Wait a second I just get the kitchen knife and check. [*?$slice%&☆slice!#] Mother: Everything is alright. You are not pregnant after all. ^^ Girl X: *dead* |
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| I'm just never tought that Sekai is lying cuz 2 points: - Not her character to lie to him about something like that. -Having morning sickness at home...considering that Sekai remained sane until the very last part of the show i'm seriously doubt that she keeps the play at home if it's only a fluke. I'm not sure if she survived than she kept the baby...cuz he/she always remembered her of her guilt. When Sekai killed Makoto then she killed their relationship and memory symbolicaly. She totaly wants to forget that she ever loved(and still loves) a guy like Makoto. Back to Kotonoha: Kotonoha in practice dead in soul when Makoto "officialy" breaks up with her. She can't accaept this and she forced herself in a dream where Makoto still her boyfriend and he keeps her boyfriend forever. That's the cause the freaky yacht end scene. |
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| even though she lied about the baby .she made herself believe that she was pregrent ..hence ...rubbing her stomach saying it's mokoto's child while's sitting a lone in her room by herself even though she's fully aware that it's a lie(is that normal ?)she was desperatly in love with mokoto ..she's lying but she's making herself believe that she's pregrent (she's forcing herself to belive that she's pregrent like throwing up and stuff).to be honest i actually think that sekai is the one who's ill here.sekai was born ill and with multiple personalities ..she loved mokoto to the point that she killed him without feeling guilty or crying katanoha needed love and care (the right man)sekai needed a doctor ..i don't and can't hate her ..she wanted something sooooooooo badly (something hurts her inside so bad that righ and wrong don't rlly matter to her anymore)how can i hate someone who's mentally sick ?such a tragic character.. she's the one who loved him the most and she suffered alot too ..i don't see why ppl hate sekai so much .i do fault her but she loved mokoto to DEATH.she had sex with him all those times because she wanted to be with him . she let him do her because he's the person she loved .she thought he loved her as much as she loved him .she was desperatly in love with mokoto to the point that she's letting him relase all his filthy desires on her to the point that he was actully raping her but she's ok with him having sex with her abrutly cuz he's the one she loves and she didn't even mind going for a sex as comfort thing(pity ,relationship sex).sekai killed mokto cuz she's had enough of him ..he tells her to drop the baby ,kisses katanoha passionatly right in front of her face (this is way to far)the poor girl was suffering from the guilt and she has severe feelings for mokoto ruined ,messed ,hurt herself and sacrifised so much for him and let him rape her ..she's whored herself for him ..she had every righ to be pissed but not kill him ..i feel for her..TT...she needs someone to understand her .. |
foxy12Jan 16, 2009 1:50 AM
| I think Kotonoha were the ill-minded: Dreamy, naive, spoiled and selfish. She's the type who await for the prince who takes her gently to the castle. When she started to date Makoto she seen him as a prince and her expectations were ROYAL. She don't consider Makoto's feelings or anything. Then when Makoto goes out with Sekai then she become more and more desperate(and grows more and more hate and negative image of Sekai) until Makoto declares(mainly to Setsuna's push) officialy to break up with her. I think that's the point were Kotonoha's ideals and dreams came to ruin. The shock were so great that she can't take it and kept runing away from it(to insanity, to a dream world where Makoto always remain with her). I don't know how can you state a person who talks to a mute phone as she talks to her boyfriend normal. So when Makoto found her she do anything she can do to remain by him. And why she thinks that Sekai's baby were a fluke? Cuz she's in a dream world where Sekai is the evil witch and Makoto is the prince. In that world Sekai and Makoto never had sex so why would have Sekai Makoto's baby? Kotonoha in that state has only one goal: Makoto. And that's for all cost! I think when Kotonoha found Makoto dead she only subconciusly admitted that Makoto dead cuz it's not fit in her world(but it were enough to lift up her anger). At that time she found out that Sekai not visited the doctor and Kotonoha decided that she find out herself if Sekai pregnant or not. That's why Kotonoha killed Sekai(in practice died from Kotonoha's "agressive baby inspection") Sekai: I don't know why you suspect Sekai of multipe personalities but i think even the dual personality only barely fits her. She had a great crush on Makoto for a time before the show starts that's true. She loves him so much that she can forgive him many times(even if at the last betrayal her reaction were killing Makoto) and i think she'sthe one who understood Makoto the best(even tough that she don't know that Makoto's indissiveness and carelessness were THAT extreme). forgeting the question of she was realy pregnant or not(but i think she was pregnant...doing with Makoto at almost daily routine sure has a great chance to it, even if they do only at the first week bare+the morning sickness strenghtens that) i would be more interested in the purpose of the declaration. I found 2 things that can be obtained with that: 1. bring Makoto some sense of responsibility, 2. shake down the other girls from Makoto(with that "vacuum" Makoto more surely comes to her). Even tough the second objective was only a secondary it's succeeds partialy to Makoto's "unbelivable" irresponsibility(9/10 of the boys at that age when suddenly founds out that he gets a girl with child than freaks out and the whole relationship cools off). To Makoto's harsh answer to Sekai everyone reacts with ignorance.Makoto who needs caring both physicaly and mentaly(mostly his desires) but he not willing to give something in return founds Kotonoha. Out of pity and his desires he makes up with her. When Sekai founds that out she become irritated because she thinks that then Makoto never stopped the relationship with Kotonoha. She become sure of it(in reality that relationship something other but in Sekai's vision that's totaly a "miraculous getback") when confronts Makoto and see their kiss scene. Sekai was devestated from that because she tought from that(true or not that only Makoto knows but some parts deffinietly just Sekai's "fantasy") that Makoto only needed Sekai's body and their whole relationship was just mere "practice" forthe real(MakotoxKotonoha). She found myself hurt not just in love but in her sense of humanity. She tought that she was mere item, a doll for Makoto not even worthy calling by him a human. I don't know what others think but theese toughts simply unbearable for any human. So Sekai went somewhat insane from that. But in contrast Kotonoha who's a dreamy passive person she's outgoing and realistic. So she tought about the removal of problem then she decided to kill Makoto who stripped of her sense of humanity. |
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| Sekai is the sanest person in this show... XD Let's see, we have a playboy who does EVERY girl. So far, that is not "mentally ill", but the way he breaks up with people (not telling them THAT he breaks up and kissing Kotonoha in front of Sekai) is just too cruel to come from a normal working brain... >_> Kotonoha: Slices people up to see if they are pregnant. Carries head of dead boyfriend around. Setsuna: Thinks by sleeping with Makoto she can make him stop betraying Sekai... Ö.Ö Where was the logic there? Other girls: Make it a fashion to be screwed by Makoto. Sekai was the character that acted most natural in this show. "Natural" only understandable for people who have ever desperately loved anyone. I assume many people here just can't understand her feelings cause they were never in the situation or have naive beliefs about love (like Kotonoha). |
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| i agree with both of u on sekai-why does everyone hate her so much ?some ppl say she's way worst than mokoto ?sekia just treasured every single moment she's with mokoto .it all meant so much to her.ppl don't seem to understand the a mount of love she has for mokoto .ppl say it's her fault when mokoto was a perv to begin with .she loved mokoto(when the love becomes unhealty it's to hard control ur emotions. it makes u week and u start givin in to the guy needs.u do whatever it takes to please him (even if it means destroyin ur life).sekai wasnt just a sex tool she was also a victim .she hurted herself and she knows but satisfing her needs to be near the one the she loves.lots of ppl dislike her because of her actions but when u rlly look at the reasons behind her actions and why she's makin mistakes it's because she's traumatized by her feelings.it's the sadness that makes her do all this(she does things with her heart and not her brain)and she hates herself for makin these mistakes..she was living in sooooo much pain as well from the guilt i always had this passion for such charaters like sekai ,example ,mitsuk from KGNE and aiko from true tears who were so desperatly in love ..mitsuki has the same problem as sekai (exact )but the main guy wasn't such a jerk as for aiko ,though she had so little screen time play ..i thought that she loved shin to the point of desperation and she loved him the most too though she never stood a chance .everything she did was because she was desperate ..i don't see why ppl dislike them so much .... |
foxy12Jan 16, 2009 12:53 PM
canis said: Sekai is the sanest person in this show... XD Let's see, we have a playboy who does EVERY girl. So far, that is not "mentally ill", but the way he breaks up with people (not telling them THAT he breaks up and kissing Kotonoha in front of Sekai) is just too cruel to come from a normal working brain... >_> Kotonoha: Slices people up to see if they are pregnant. Carries head of dead boyfriend around. Setsuna: Thinks by sleeping with Makoto she can make him stop betraying Sekai... Ö.Ö Where was the logic there? Other girls: Make it a fashion to be screwed by Makoto. Sekai was the character that acted most natural in this show. "Natural" only understandable for people who have ever desperately loved anyone. I assume many people here just can't understand her feelings cause they were never in the situation or have naive beliefs about love (like Kotonoha). yup...i guess Makoto just got the thing he was looking for.. being as stupid as he was doesnt brings any good..i'm very sorry for Sekai :/ bad luck to fell in love with such a guy and then get killed by a psycho who wants to check is she really pregnant o.0 |
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| I just finished this series. I felt like I watched something very similair to the movie 'Audition' from Takashi Miike (if you liked this series then you'll love this movie). The first 6 episodes were mediocre at best, however a friend of mine said to watch it in one go, I,m glad I did ^^. This episode is only worth watching in the DVD version. All in all, I give this series a 8 purely for one of the most satisfying endings I have seen so far. (Itou got what he deserved!!) |
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| Makoto doesnt deserve to die. His death is just a freedom of his wrong doings. I frikin hate Makoto >(. He is the worst character that I have seen. If I were there, I would kill him before those relationships. About the train scene. Things are now opposite. When Katsura saw Makoto and Sekai, she was depressed. Now its reverse. The gril did nothing wrong. Main culprit is Makoto. This anime is definitely the worst but other hand definitely the best. The author succeeded to irritate me. |
| If anyone of you knows decent japanese, play the game! It gives you a whole new perspective of what happens in the anime. |
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| It was actually really epic that Makoto finally tried to do the right thing, but at that point it was already too late. And so he got killed. Also, I can't believe Sekai lied about having a baby D:. I'm glad I actually sticked with watching it. The last 3 episodes were so good. |
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| I actually wasn't too fond of the anime... I went in watching it with great expectations though. I found all the characters to either be idiots or assholes. (Besides Kokoro-chan and her friend) I kept wanting Kotonoha to stop being a FREAKING doormat and when she finally started losing her sanity I was just waiting for her to finally take some sort of action. |
| I expected a lot more from an anime that was supposedly comparable to Higurashi. It didn't even feel like it had a psychological aspect to it. When Sekai snapped, and stabbed that prick of a main character Makoto, it felt like the author had no other way to express his school boy perversion and this was the easy fix. When Kotonoha was spooning with his severed head, I didn't even flinch. I was just happy that the series was over... |
BunnyTimeFeb 13, 2009 11:17 PM
| This episode was sick. The blood was black ! The whole serie was disgusting, but not because of the blood or killing scenes, 'cause of the characters and their actions ! Uguu. Luckily Makoto was killed and Sekai too, but it was little funny (wierd :'D) when Kotonoha opened Sekai's stomach and said "i knew it, you were lying". It was nice sentence. I liked also the part when Kotonoha were hugging Makoto's head and saying "fiinally were are together" but at the same time I felt disgusting. Hah, I didn't got anything by watching this, 6/10 |
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| best ending ever! I love it when the put crazy twists youd never expect :D the boat scene will always be one of my favorites. except when I was telling my friend about it I think I scared her because she was like O.o "what kind of anime do you watch?!" xD |
| i just finished watching this anime twice!!... No matter what, i think this episode really suits the ending for it. lots of debate about which characters were to blame for the tragedy. Though all are to blame, i think most of it goes to Sekai in the end. Looking from at the beginning of the anime ep1, it was Sekai who first asked Makoto to date Kotonoha (even if he was reluctant i.e. maybe it was just his crush). Later on, she seduces Makoto and then dates him herself(which was her wish). eventually, Makoto also falls for her and they both ignore Kotonoha. Here, Kotonoha is just a mere tool being used by both of them.(which is why i also despise Kotonoha too.) SEKAI is such a hypocrite. She asks to help others find their love, while she doesnt confess her own love to Makoto and by hiding her own feelings she is misleading both of them.<this was also shown in the opera scenes during the episode> I dont hate her, rather i think she is the only likeable character in the story as she suffers most with her love life She should have confessed to makoto first instead of playin her matchmaker games which got kotonoha involved and things became complicated later. ( i personally dont like such people who use others) I also feel that her love to Makoto was the true one and that's why she chose to end his life .Afterall she realized that she'd spoiled him too much and she was the one who showed him the path of sexual desires which had lead him to his greed. nevertheless, she would always love him in her heart and keep him in her memories. KOTONOHA is too much of a naive, stupid psychopath princess and stubborn as hell. She never accepts the fact that makoto is no longer interested in her and acts insane. some might argue that her feelings were toyed and makoto didnt actually break up wid her sooner.. well he knew it would be too much for her and she would never come to accept it (coz she's such a princess in her fairyland) which is wat happened later when he dumped her. furthermore, she even forgives Makoto in the end which shows how lost, insane and mentally traumatized she'd become. I think she should've left makoto if she was less stupid enough and gone out wid the other guy who much more valued her.(but then she's so stubborn) in the end she proved herself a psycho and her love seemed to be only for the physical aspect of Makoto which is why she kept his head...haha For the whether or not sekai being pregnant part, i think it depends on which of the two girls you choose to believe. i think i belived her to be pregnant cuz Kotonoha was way off her mind (who had kept talking to dead phone calls like mad) and her examination of sekai's womb was also what she wanted to see inside...nothing. I just feel sorry for MAKOTO too as he was just a normal guy with regular fantasies of sex but was just in the wrong company of two love blinded girls. If he'd been with Otomi and Hikari instead, i think it would've turned out different (they had sex with him with no strings attached )just like Makoto had always wanted from beginning. Btw, sorry for such a long boring post. i could go on and on but i'll leave it here... ;-) |
| Great post! Really! So much rubbish has been said here "Makoto deserved to die!!!111", "Sekai that B!TCH!! DIE!!", "Poor Kotonoha! She did the right thing!". Your post is very analytic and very objective, since you don't seem to just take one side and than cling to it. (like Kotonoha fans that still believe a 5-6 weeks old embryo would be visible to someone who cut the stomach of the mother with a saw open) I admit that I myself have a very subjective view of the story. I feel the most with Sekai cause I experienced similar feelings to hers (though I didn't kill that guy). Others in this forum maybe once got their bf/gf stolen away from them, so they automatically joined the Kotonoha faction. vicious_soul said: SEKAI is such a hypocrite. She asks to help others find their love, while she doesnt confess her own love to Makoto and by hiding her own feelings she is misleading both of them. I don't think the term "hypocrite" is fitting. Rather coward or idiot. It was a stupid thing of her to do, but I'm sure she didn't mean any harm. That is what most people are unable to see anyway: Sekai didn't PLAN to bring Makoto and Kotonoha together just to hurt Kotonoha by stealing him away afterwards! When she learned that Makoto likes Kotonoha, she didn't think that she had a chance so she paired them up. Then Makoto started to doubt his feelings for Kotonoha, making room for hope on Sekais side. That hope lead her into taking action after all, just a little late, as Kotonoha was already addicted to Makoto at that point. vicious_soul said: I dont hate her, rather i think she is the only likeable character in the story as she suffers most with her love life Indeed, I also had that feeling. She suffers the most. Makoto is having a lot of fun and Kotonoha is happy at the beginning (when Makoto becomes her bf) and at the end (when she is satisfied with only his head) and in between (when he ignores her but she still imagines him to love her). She NEVER ever thought that she did anything wrong. But as I said many times before, in my opinion she fails as girlfriend, I wouldn't want such a princess who only thinks of herself. Sekai, even while "having" Makoto for awhile, she always has a bad conciousness. There is never a time where she is just plain happy, she is always aware of the fact that she did something that hurt others. vicious_soul said: Afterall she realized that she'd spoiled him too much and she was the one who showed him the path of sexual desires which had lead him to his greed. nevertheless, she would always love him in her heart and keep him in her memories. I also think that Sekai loved Makoto the most. Kotonoha just wanted a prince. When Makoto didn't act like that prince she slapped him. When he left her, she doesn't accept it. Sekai really spoiled him out of love, she let him do everything he wanted. So if she is guilty, it is for loving him too much. Too much affection can also lead to a bad outcome as we could see. vicious_soul said: KOTONOHA is too much of a naive, stupid psychopath princess and stubborn as hell. Qftw. ^.^d vicious_soul said: if she was less stupid enough and gone out wid the other guy who much more valued her. I would change that into "she should have gone out with A guy who values her more, not that particular one you are referring to (I assume you mean with "the guy" Makotos friend), that guy is also horrible as all he sees in Kotonoha are her two balloons. vicious_soul said: I just feel sorry for MAKOTO too as he was just a normal guy with regular fantasies of sex but was just in the wrong company of two love blinded girls. Yeah it actually IS a shame. As much as I also hated him in the end, Makoto DID start out as a really nice guy. If he remained like that, there would have been less hurt and blood... vicious_soul said: Btw, sorry for such a long boring post. i could go on and on but i'll leave it here... ;-) It shows that you put a lot thought into it and I liked to read it. I just cannot stop to linger in this topic for weeks now and keep commenting on anything new. XD This anime really got me. |
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| Sorily Makoto did many things that WAS his faults to be hated. For example: damn indecisiveness, then zero concernabout anything that not for himk or not at his eyes. Even for a heartless playboy it's a way TOO MUCH! Not tomention the "normal guy". I still have problems with his character...somehow i can't picture it properly...full of contradictions for me. All 3 of the main characters done something that moved the wheel twards that tragedy. -Sekai: she started the whole story...if she forgot the picture and just hitting on Makoto then there's no story(or an another). Later her overflowning feelings and fragile spirit caused more problems. -Kotonoha:her simple mindedness and naiveness caused her to overestimate Makoto and quickly jumpiong to conclusions. She was lonely and she selfishly deserved someone to love her(to the extend that she was blinded with that) -Makoto: at start your "typical"(why typical? Why must almost every "harem holder" such a whimp?) guy. But that "typical"(indecisive) realy was quite dangerous this time. Later his "indecisiveness" reqached a whole new level(cheating with every possible girl). The only things he lacked compared to the "typical" harem protagonists: self-restraining and ethics. He have such a weak willpower. |
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| I only watched this anime because of the ending. I heard so many things about it, I became curious and started watching it yesterday. I don't usually watch depressing romance anime or something that would piss me off like episodes 4-11 but I chose to and I am glad I did. It is something like I never seen before. I have can honestly say I have seen worser depressing anime than School Days. I wouldn't even call it depressing but just sad and pathetic. The characters sucked to me. All of them. They had no true morals, they let Makoto walk over them or use them and I hate to see someone get cheated on, especially the ones who know it and act like its all good. Stupidity and love is something else. But anyway, I enjoyed the ending. It was a little over the top and chilling but I liked it. I expected Makoto to die (spoilers) but I didn't know Sekai to kill him and then be killed by Kotonaha. It is kinda funny to me the way they ended this. I give it a 10 just because it interested me enough to get to the great ending. |
| At the end I think Kotonoha was ill... The final I was like this O.o |
| I don't belive I have ever watched a shittier anime in my life. I realize all of the undertones and realize why some people appreciate the complex relationships between everybody. But shit was gay and almost predictable. I was happy he died tho..jeez what a garbage protagonist |
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| I think the predictability's not bad and even good in some cases...perhaps if it's not cliche. Well i liked it even though i was greatly annoyed by the main Lead's s"sudden" indeciseveness from ep 6 onwards... |
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| Not sure how people can really be surprised by the end. Maybe by some parts, but not the Sekai killing him - I saw that coming from far earlier episodes. He had to die in the anime, - that's just how it was! No people are really THAT stupid to sleep around with a bunch of girls that know each other and see each other and expect to live. =o |
| Usotsuki. |
| I don't think it is that predictable. I watched the anime already knowing that there will be killing. But if I didn't know I wouldn't have expected it! The first few episodes look like your ordinary harem anime. If you didn't know that the game it is based on has death in it, it wasn't to be expected that there will be any blood at all. |
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| I agree, early on you can't tell, but by the later episodes you can just feel that it can't end happily. At least that's how I felt. It actually ended exactly like I wanted.. I wanted Sekai to kill Makoto, because to me, she was his girlfriend more than Kotonoha or anyone else and then I also wanted Kotonoha to kill Sekai because she was such a horrible person to her. The head in the bag was a bonus, but the boat scene made me mad. It always makes me sad to think about Kotonoha off on her boat, with a decaying head of ick. Of course, I know that the way the anime went is extreme, but in the story it was necessary. I really sensed it would happen, but I suppose I didn't know TOTALLY for sure, I was just really hoping so badly that I wasn't surprised - I was more enthralled when the scene started with the phone. I was so mad at Makoto. D: |
| Usotsuki. |
| Well I agree that it was obvious pretty soon that it wouldn't end "happily". But between a sad and a massacre end is still a big difference. I wouldn't have imagined to be blood in this kind of "dating game based" anime if I didn't know already. It was also interesting how they merged the 3 possible "bad endings" of the game into one in the anime. |
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| They're coming out with the Cross Days game now, and it is confirmed at least one person will die. I am guessing Kotonoha is going to kill the lying girl, at least, but who knows what else. I can only hope Kotonoha kills Setsuna. I hated her the most. |
| Usotsuki. |
canis said: Well I agree that it was obvious pretty soon that it wouldn't end "happily". But between a sad and a massacre end is still a big difference. I wouldn't have imagined to be blood in this kind of "dating game based" anime if I didn't know already. It was also interesting how they merged the 3 possible "bad endings" of the game into one in the anime. Or dies in assylium...It's more probable. Well...the only person's reaction i interested in would be Setsuna. Her best friend kills the man she(setsuna) had a crush on then Sekai killed by Kotonoha... |
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willyvereb said: Well...the only person's reaction i interested in would be Setsuna. Her best friend kills the man she(setsuna) had a crush on then Sekai killed by Kotonoha... She *should* feel endlessly guilty cause she was a main factor triggering these bloody events! But I assume she would just be self-righteous as always and think she did the best... >_> |
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