Fui said: I fail to see how I can provide any help for this man. He is no less than almost perfect at what he does. Like I said, he is a professional at what he does and could easily get a job working in that style of art. I simply do not like that style but I can certainly see that he knows his stuff therein.nihlniisadxhai said: ScrumYummy said: Nope, I never give compliments nor do I slate. I state what I feel, I do not state things to make people feel better or worse.nihlniisadxhai said: Rage is undoubtedly the person here most professional in the style that he does, this is the kind of stuff people get paid for on a professional level, kudos, shame I think that kind of drawing style sucks. Nice way to hide a dagger in a compliment, assfuck. It's important to recognise quality even if you don't like things. I hate that style he uses, in fact, I hate to look at his drawings but I can acknowledge that it is extremely well done in that style. I do not like R&B, but have to acknowledge that Alicia Keys is good in what she does, as is Shakira, though both forms of music I hate. This is where people often go wrong... little kiddies who cannot hear he difference between random notes and a Bártok or Pendericky piece because they do not like dissonance in music. I can give as valid criticism on R&B, Euphoric trance, nu-metal, or common practice classical music as the enthusiasts even though I like none. This is important to experience art on a more concious level. You're doing it wrong. Saying "the style sucks" accomplishes absolutely nothing, except make the other person feel bad, which I'm sure you are aware of, because it's an opinion, nothing else. You're supposed to use constructive criticism in art. I think your choice of words was a little off. People with an open mind can take constructive criticism, but input that's really meaningless is another story. SASAKI said: *sight*That's what you think you're doing. But that's not what happens when someone gets criticised because of his style. Especially the way you did it, it's the worst thing someone can receive. You tell him he's professional but make him think his style sucks. A style is something... people do not work on like anatomy. If you criticise his anatomy he'll still think he can improve, but imagine someone says your style sucked, right into your face. It's as if someone nullifies the way you draw. It's as if someone would say that all you have been liking so much about the way you draw sucked right from the beginning. Styles can change. But most of the time, they don't. Anyway. Your words were off. Although there is always someone who doesn't like your way of art. And I completely agree with the quality thing. You should just keep in mind that words like "suck" don't belong into any sort of c-criticism. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? I DO NOT LIKE COLOURFUL GEL-ART, how is that an insult to some-one when I just said he makes about perfect colourful gel-art? If you're a rapper and a critic walks up to you and says 'I have to see, regardless of that I hate rap I have to acknowledge that you rap with high technical proficiency.', are you insulted then? If you are you're an idiot. If you're insult for that some-one doesn't like the specific genre you like to make but still recognises that you are good in that genre.. that's about the highest compliment that you can get. Regardless of that art critics should be impartial to genre and style and still recognise skill in genre and style they do not like, they often are not and find it harder to recognise skill in genres and styles they do not like and fail to see what can be hard about it. A good example is screams in music, a lot of time people fail to realize that there is a varying degree in skill in doing good screams as people have difficulty in seeing even difference in genres they do not like, let alone difference in quality. |
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| so, if i had a drawing i wanted to colour on the computer, what programs do i need? and after i scan what do i do? |
DarkerThanDante said: so, if i had a drawing i wanted to colour on the computer, what programs do i need? and after i scan what do i do? I am about to post a coloring tutorial, actually. Wait a couple of days and check back, there will be a topic for it here in Creative Corner :D SASAKI said: Oops, i meant inking of course :) I wouldn't stand a chance against you since i can't color at all. And if you coloured that lineart... Damn... That would be a straight win.. Cool! If you want any tips on inking, I will be happy to help. And thanks again for the compliment, but who cares about winning? Art jam is here for us to practice and have fun :D nihlniisadxhai said: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Maybe you are just poor at communicating, because you still come off as an asshole. |
ScrumYummy said: Maybe people are poor at reading due to stereotypical visioning. I am aware I am constantly misinterpreted by people. Things like assuming that I am creationist because I attack some-one's reasoning for the supposed proof that there is no creationism because often when that happens, people are creationists. In reality, I simply saw a flaw in said's reasoning and pointed it out.DarkerThanDante said: so, if i had a drawing i wanted to colour on the computer, what programs do i need? and after i scan what do i do? I am about to post a coloring tutorial, actually. Wait a couple of days and check back, there will be a topic for it here in Creative Corner :D SASAKI said: Oops, i meant inking of course :) I wouldn't stand a chance against you since i can't color at all. And if you coloured that lineart... Damn... That would be a straight win.. Cool! If you want any tips on inking, I will be happy to help. And thanks again for the compliment, but who cares about winning? Art jam is here for us to practice and have fun :D nihlniisadxhai said: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Maybe you are just poor at communicating, because you still come off as an asshole. However I am also hardly never pulled out of context with fairly intelligent people. Can I request of every-one to have the level of intelligence that allows for a Ph.D. in maths, I don't know? I do know that technically the former group were incorrect, as I never stated that I was a creationist or any-thing which implied that. Just as what happened here. I stated I do not like the genre Rage works in but have to admit his skill and prowess therein. I said no-thing more in those two minor sentences and any-thing else is information you create yourself on stereotype imaging which is no better than assuming some-one steals because that person is Moroccan just because their is an averagely higher crime rates for Moroccans. |
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WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? I DO NOT LIKE COLOURFUL GEL-ART, how is that an insult to some-one when I just said he makes about perfect colourful gel-art? I said I agreed with you, you asshead. What I didn't like was the fucking way you said it. I said words like "SUCK" don't belong into criticism and can't be forgiven no matter how many shitty pseudo-compliments you gave beforehand. Damn. What I was trying to say in the first part of my post is, what kind of reaction the guy you criticize can have. You don't criticize style that way. Not with words like "SUCK". It's something more delicate than you can imagine, because it's something you created and can't be compared (especially not his, which seems to be a unique mixture) to major music categories like you did. It's your fault for being constantly misinterpreted because you don't use the appropriate language one needs to use, when he is trying to comment someones art. You ain't watching the WAY you say things, that's your problem. |
SASAKI said: No, it's your human way of asymmetrical perception between what you consider 'positive' and 'negative' that is at fault. You can say 'it rules' in this world which provides just as little constructiveness but you cannot say 'it sucks'. You can say you like some-one with no arguments further given or that you consider some-one beautiful but not the reverse. Because of your dreaded human asymmetrical perception. Non serviam, bitch. If you can mindlessly compliment people than I shall mindlessly insult with equal gratitude. I shall say what is on my mind and the tender feelings of your species are of no concern to me. If you can get insulted by some-one you don't even know just because of your human behaviour of wanting to be 'praised' by people regardless of whether you know them, know their taste, or think about what it implies that they like or hate some-thing related to you, maybe their taste is orthogonal to your own? Then pay the price and suffer, human. I have no intention of paying any heed to your human limits.WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? I DO NOT LIKE COLOURFUL GEL-ART, how is that an insult to some-one when I just said he makes about perfect colourful gel-art? I said I agreed with you, you asshead. What I didn't like was the fucking way you said it. I said words like "SUCK" don't belong into criticism and can't be forgiven no matter how many shitty pseudo-compliments you gave beforehand. Damn. What I was trying to say in the first part of my post is, what kind of reaction the guy you criticize can have. You don't criticize style that way. Not with words like "SUCK". It's something more delicate than you can imagine, because it's something you created and can't be compared (especially not his, which seems to be a unique mixture) to major music categories like you did. It's your fault for being constantly misinterpreted because you don't use the appropriate language one needs to use, when he is trying to comment someones art. You ain't watching the WAY you say things, that's your problem. I have recognised his virtuose in his own field, that should be enough for the man to realize that he is good at what he does and wants to do. Especially if I stated I do not like work in that field per se. If he is insulted by that I say that field sucks then then hell damn he'll pay the price of the feelings he gets then. That's just mindless human behaviour of 'I want to be appreciated', not 'I want to accomplish my goals' / 'I want to achieve the perfection I have in mind for myself'. Make the art your like and do it good, do not just aim to get recognition and being valued by people who don't even like the genre you make. If a random person says to me 'Wtf is this music you make? I hate it, it's so fucking scary and oppressive.' then I've probably done well and take no offence but satisfaction. However if a random person says 'I like this music you made... it sounds catchy and has a nice feel to it.', then I have probably not achieved what I wanted to make with my black ambience in the first place. Learn to interpret what people mean with what they say and don't just go for random compliments regardless of what people are actually saying with. |
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ScrumYummy said: Ahh that is really awesome! I love the coloring and the pose :) I will say that the cranberry sauce on her belly/hip looks sort of like it is floating in air though. It doesn't look like it's sitting on her body, or even sliding off. Maybe I am just used to more staining juice dripping off cranberry sauce or something? Maybe a small shadow on her skin under where it is laying? It does look to be rather thick sauce :D Anyway, I love that picture! |
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Rage-The-Dragoon said: Another comic based on a true story. including a few MAL members, from left to right: Yoruichi, Soratenshi, Myself and Drahzar. Lmfao. It's rare that I find personal comics funny, but the expressions were great. |
aero said: No get lost with your Pavlovian human limits. I was accused of things I never did and I reserve my right to correct the errors. Just because you're too human, stupid, evolved, what-not the reason may be not being able to step over the bloody nonsense your parents raped into your head just by punishing you every time you thought otherwise need not mean it's some form of 'factual correctness'. You killed Bruno, Turing, delayed scientific advancements greatly because of this behaviour to refuse to simply accept the bare fact that 99% of bullshit you believe in you only believe because daddy raped your mind every time you didn't. 2+2=4 and it doesn't become 5 just because you're getting tortured every time you claim otherwise.You know when a thought comes to your head nihlniisadxhai, and you want share it with everyone? LEAVE IT IN THERE. We got the point that you have a different taste now, so get back on topic or leave. Rage, ahaha, very good, the facial expressions, indeed, add to it greatly. Oh and ehh, didn't that guy that won pass in the first panel? |
nihlniisadxhaiNov 25, 2008 3:48 AM
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nihlniisadxhai said: Rage, ahaha, very good, the facial expressions, indeed, add to it greatly. Oh and ehh, didn't that guy that won pass in the first panel? true, but all logic fail since the 4th panel started, so it diddnt matter much =P |
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nihlniisadxhai said: aero said: Non serviam, bitch. If you can mindlessly compliment people than I shall mindlessly insult with equal gratitude. I shall say what is on my mind and the tender feelings of your species are of no concern to me. GTFO. Honestly. Just do. You didn't get a thing. And I never mindlessly compliment people, nor do I mindlessly insult someone. I know both is wrong. Your comment started like a very serious attempt on constructive criticism but then was fucked up by that word, which does not belong there. If you start seriously, continue seriously. If you're all like "Omg lol it's so fucking awesome but the face sucks" then whatever. That wouldn't be a good attempt on criticism anyway and the recipient wouldn't care about it either. Oh, and that "human" and "human limits" shit you're talking about is just pathetic. That's all there is to it. That's right. C-C is about accomplishing a goal. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about basic rules on how to treat artists, what words not to use in criticism. I don't care what you thought when you wrote it. I only care about the thing I read there. And it doesn't belong there. Punto, americano. I wish I could be a native. I wish I could express all my arguments in English. But sadly I can't. I'm just a german school kid who still needs to learn some vocabulary. And I would have loved to wipe the floor with you. But whatever. Bye-bye. I wasted enough time. I hope god will show you someday. I like the your drawing style but you're not talented at all. Now let's get back to drawings. |
nihlniisadxhai said: Nope, I never give compliments nor do I slate. I state what I feel, I do not state things to make people feel better or worse.Nice way to hide a dagger in a compliment, assfuck. It's important to recognise quality even if you don't like things. I hate that style he uses, in fact, I hate to look at his drawings but I can acknowledge that it is extremely well done in that style. I do not like R&B, but have to acknowledge that Alicia Keys is good in what she does, as is Shakira, though both forms of music I hate. This is where people often go wrong... little kiddies who cannot hear he difference between random notes and a Bártok or Pendericky piece because they do not like dissonance in music. I can give as valid criticism on R&B, Euphoric trance, nu-metal, or common practice classical music as the enthusiasts even though I like none. This is important to experience art on a more concious level. and all of the other posts you made dude... you talk all smart and high... but really.... don't embarrass yourself so much, it hurts me seeing you like this. |
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SASAKI said: Yeah, if you had a single strain of coherent arguements safe for your moral dogmata I might take you seriously. You're human, nothing more. All I said is that I 1) Do not like the genre of art Rage makes. and 2) That I see that he's quite good in what he does. And you have repeatedly drawn this out of context because you're human, because you form stereotype images, because you would laugh at that square as Bruno was burnt because even now you would laugh and feel that 'justice' was set into motion when some child rapist is punished just because you were conditioned to think that that way as a child, idiot.nihlniisadxhai said: Non serviam, bitch. If you can mindlessly compliment people than I shall mindlessly insult with equal gratitude. I shall say what is on my mind and the tender feelings of your species are of no concern to me. GTFO. Honestly. Just do. You didn't get a thing. And I never mindlessly compliment people, nor do I mindlessly insult someone. I know both is wrong. Your comment started like a very serious attempt on constructive criticism but then was fucked up by that word, which does not belong there. If you start seriously, continue seriously. If you're all like "Omg lol it's so fucking awesome but the face sucks" then whatever. That wouldn't be a good attempt on criticism anyway and the recipient wouldn't care about it either. Oh, and that "human" and "human limits" shit you're talking about is just pathetic. That's all there is to it. That's right. C-C is about accomplishing a goal. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about basic rules on how to treat artists, what words not to use in criticism. I don't care what you thought when you wrote it. I only care about the thing I read there. And it doesn't belong there. Punto, americano. I wish I could be a native. I wish I could express all my arguments in English. But sadly I can't. I'm just a german school kid who still needs to learn some vocabulary. And I would have loved to wipe the floor with you. But whatever. Bye-bye. I wasted enough time. I hope god will show you someday. I like the your drawing style but you're not talented at all. Now let's get back to drawings. All I did was this, AND READ: 1: I said I don't like the particular style Rage makes. 2: I said I acknowledge rage is very professional in his style. It's like saying "I don't like metal but I have to admit that Michael Angelo Batio is an extremely talented guitarist.", where the hell do I even 'insult' Batio then? And even if I would, the hell with it, humans have feelings and they shall thence pay the price for caring about what people they don't even know think of them. Also, lern2quote. |
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| Nose, personally, like, the shades are bit strange, what helps is to realize that on one side of the nose, it's dark, and the other light so you have to shade the dark part at one side you arbitrary pick a bit more away from the centre, and also in a gradient and then again some dark to gain the impression of a relief. Also, the eyeball, what helps to get pupils is to first draw the outline of the eye socket, then in that you draw the circle but remember, in human eyes part of it is always concealed so you just get a ( ) like thing essentially, then in that circle you draw two more cirlces, one to indicate where you put the 'shining' white part and another after that for the black part of the pupil. Then the important part is how to apply the eyes realistically, the idea is that you first draw some lines from the pupill to the edge but make them slightly curved, not straight, and very fine, then apply some darker parts and keep the gradient-like, so effectively make the transgressions from dark to light rather blurry and also remember to effectively make the top left almost white and the bottom right almost completely black and also create 'discontinuity' in shades in the pupill and the white part. You're lucky I'm actually half in the process of making an eye at this moment, let me fire up photoshop and make a screenshot so you can see the half way work. Editing soon. Edit:  what's still going to happen is that I'm going to give the bottom right part of the white a little shade, I'm going to make the shade discontinuous with the pupil to give the impression of a really different material and relief, the idea is that humans experience a pupil as, in fact, a bulge, which it isn't, it's a hole. But still, if people experience it like that, draw it like that for best result so make the shade like that.  Here's another image I did some time ago to illustrate the shades, now I realized I violated what I just told you to do with the nose here here a little, but not completely, because I made heavy use of the continuous shade, it still gives of a strong impression of levelling, also, note how I created the eyelids which look curved by again slowly increasing the intensity of the shade as it goes upwards. |
nihlniisadxhaiNov 25, 2008 6:51 AM
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| Wow! Thank you so much for your very informative reply. Now, the trick is to draw shade under the pupil in different directions to make it look realistic. Bear with me because I'm not an art student so I don't know the terms you use to refer to those things. That was to make eyes in 3D now what about the nose? |
| http://www.elftown.com/stuff/eye%20tut%20thingy.jpg?jpg=y This I just encountered unrelatedly by the way. Well, the nose, how you can draw that is first draw what you now have as an outline and keep the shades you already have as very thin lines, especially those two diagonal ones you have besides each side I'm interested in. You then take one side, depending on where you let your light fall and directly next to that vertical line, you colour some shade dark in a rather continuous way again. For the other side, you move a bit away from it and colour dark and slowly let it become less dark until you are at that line. The first side you want quite a sharp transgression, but again not too sharp. Kind of like the upper left eyelid of what I posted but then use it as one side of the nose. Just play around a little with how dark you make certain parts for the right levelling. On anatomy, I can't really help you as my anatomy pretty much sucks I probably wouldn't even notice if people were deformed. =P |
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Finally finished a pic I have been working on off and on for a while (I keep getting distracted by other stuff @_@) It's a generic portrait of Mal-tan, looking kinda emo/melancholy. |
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MagicalEmi said: Finally finished a pic I have been working on off and on for a while (I keep getting distracted by other stuff @_@) It's a generic portrait of Mal-tan, looking kinda emo/melancholy. ladies and gentlemen, TALENT! That coloring shading and highlighting is fucking epic. |
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Rage-The-Dragoon said: Truth, however that is the most impressive part. The rest is effectively a front-portrait bust which isn't that hard to make, also... the neck is a bit too eh... well you know, if I saw a girl like that it would freak me out. I still think your work is more impressive, also because you capture perspectives a lot better, I'm not say this person can't, it simply doesn't show here.MagicalEmi said: Finally finished a pic I have been working on off and on for a while (I keep getting distracted by other stuff @_@) It's a generic portrait of Mal-tan, looking kinda emo/melancholy. ladies and gentlemen, TALENT! That coloring shading and highlighting is fucking epic. Edit, by the way, Rage, plurals in English never get an apostrophe it's 'otakus' or simply 'otaku' if you want to be purist. Kind of like the inverse of Dutch where possessives don't get apostrophes like 'Karels auto' not 'Karel's auto'. Also: powerful, not powerfull. |
nihlniisadxhaiNov 25, 2008 9:43 AM
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nihlniisadxhai said: Rage-The-Dragoon said: Truth, however that is the most impressive part. The rest is effectively a front-portrait bust which isn't that hard to make, also... the neck is a bit too eh... well you know, if I saw a girl like that it would freak me out. I still think your work is more impressive, also because you capture perspectives a lot better, I'm not say this person can't, it simply doesn't show here.MagicalEmi said: Finally finished a pic I have been working on off and on for a while (I keep getting distracted by other stuff @_@) It's a generic portrait of Mal-tan, looking kinda emo/melancholy. ladies and gentlemen, TALENT! That coloring shading and highlighting is fucking epic. I appriciate the compliment, yet Front prespectives are harder then they look Nihl, it's alot harder to capture a 3D effect in them. which she did accomplish in flying colors, not to mention you need the body to be exactly equal on both sides. and that gets hard especialy round the eyes. 3/4 prespectives may look more apealing and dynamic, but they are also easyer. it's on of my big weakpoints so I'm impressed even if the neck is a little out of anatomy. |
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nihlniisadxhai said: Truth, however that is the most impressive part. The rest is effectively a front-portrait bust which isn't that hard to make, also... the neck is a bit too eh... well you know, if I saw a girl like that it would freak me out. I still think your work is more impressive, also because you capture perspectives a lot better, I'm not say this person can't, it simply doesn't show here. This is why I described it as a "generic portrait" ^_^ |
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| Emi, I think it is absolutely beautiful. The coloring is faboo :D and I like her dreamy expression. And the outline of her collar bones...so pretty. (and I'm going to send you a message later about the cranberry sauce--you're right!! But I can't quite get it to look right, so I need your help XD) nihlniisadxhai said: Truth, however that is the most impressive part. The rest is effectively a front-portrait bust which isn't that hard to make, also... the neck is a bit too eh... well you know, if I saw a girl like that it would freak me out. I still think your work is more impressive, also because you capture perspectives a lot better, I'm not say this person can't, it simply doesn't show here. Okay, you, that does it. If you are going to dish out this type of mindless criticism when you can't even draw your way out of a paper bag, then get ready to receive it. So let's look at your goth-emo-loli.  First off, your anatomy is horrible. WTF is up with her hands?? They look like they don't have any bones, as if they were floppy tentacles. Her wrists are practically non-existant, probably took you all of three seconds to draw (if it took you any more than that...lame). Where the hell are her shoulders?? You need to study bone structure. Also, She is holding her arms in a really awkward, unnatural manner. It looks like she is trying to keep from crapping herself. Redlines (I can't even redline the hands, they are so bad):  Next, her face. Were you trying to make it look cute? Because you utterly failed. Her neck is WAY too wide for her body type, it looks like she is wearing a neck brace. Her nose is sliding off of her face and instead of having a chin she has some sort of bulbous protrusion from the bottom of her head. The eye on the right looks like it is trying to float away. Where the hell did you learn to draw? Everybody knows, draw a cross-structure on the face shape before trying to draw features. Redlines (also, the eyes are too high on the head):  And the rest of her body...I don't even know where to begin. Where the fuck are her hips?? I can't decide. Which is a REALLY bad sign. Her left thigh has a tumor. Her center of balance tells me that she is about to fall over, probably to the right. And does she have stubs instead of feet? We should be able to see some sort of outline or protrusion at the bottom of her pants, although her calves are short enough to make me think that somebody cut off her feet at her ankles. Redlines (with a guess at where the hips could be, and an attempt to point out where they should be):  ^also, her crotch is fucked up. And I'm guessing the way you painted this was import sketch>multiply>color with DARKNESS, which is over-done, really. Read my painting tutorial when I post it, you need it. |
ScrumYummy said: Emi, I think it is absolutely beautiful. The coloring is faboo :D and I like her dreamy expression. And the outline of her collar bones...so pretty. (and I'm going to send you a message later about the cranberry sauce--you're right!! But I can't quite get it to look right, so I need your help XD) nihlniisadxhai said: Truth, however that is the most impressive part. The rest is effectively a front-portrait bust which isn't that hard to make, also... the neck is a bit too eh... well you know, if I saw a girl like that it would freak me out. I still think your work is more impressive, also because you capture perspectives a lot better, I'm not say this person can't, it simply doesn't show here. Okay, you, that does it. If you are going to dish out this type of mindless criticism when you can't even draw your way out of a paper bag, then get ready to receive it. So let's look at your goth-emo-loli. First off, your anatomy is horrible. WTF is up with her hands?? They look like they don't have any bones, as if they were floppy tentacles. Her wrists are practically non-existant, probably took you all of three seconds to draw (if it took you any more than that...lame). Where the hell are her shoulders?? You need to study bone structure. Also, She is holding her arms in a really awkward, unnatural manner. It looks like she is trying to keep from crapping herself. Redlines (I can't even redline the hands, they are so bad): Next, her face. Were you trying to make it look cute? Because you utterly failed. Her neck is WAY too wide for her body type, it looks like she is wearing a neck brace. Her nose is sliding off of her face and instead of having a chin she has some sort of bulbous protrusion from the bottom of her head. The eye on the right looks like it is trying to float away. Where the hell did you learn to draw? Everybody knows, draw a cross-structure on the face shape before trying to draw features. Redlines (also, the eyes are too high on the head): And the rest of her body...I don't even know where to begin. Where the fuck are her hips?? I can't decide. Which is a REALLY bad sign. Her left thigh has a tumor. Her center of balance tells me that she is about to fall over, probably to the right. And does she have stubs instead of feet? We should be able to see some sort of outline or protrusion at the bottom of her pants, although her calves are short enough to make me think that somebody cut off her feet at her ankles. Redlines (with a guess at where the hips could be, and an attempt to point out where they should be): ^also, her crotch is fucked up. And I'm guessing the way you painted this was import sketch>multiply>color with DARKNESS, which is over-done, really. Read my painting tutorial when I post it, you need it. I love you ScrumYummy ^_^ |
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| i scored a BURN. scored a dodge-burn. hoohoo, art joke. :D |
ScrumYummy said: i scored a BURN. scored a dodge-burn. hoohoo, art joke. :D You need to keep in mind you don't need to be a great artist to criticize and point out errors. Nihl did make some valid criticisms in his post, but they were just uncalled for. This isn't a "critique my work" thread, it's a "show your artwork" thread, so criticism just isn't asked for. I think he fails to see that. And I think your response was...a response to his constant criticisms of other people's stuff, so that one can slide. "If you can't take the heat, don't play with fire," right? If it were a criticism thread, I would critique every post made here (to my best to help), but I clearly don't. TAKE IT EASY GUYS. We're all aspiring to become better, right? I hope. Although I'd love to help people point out mistakes in their work to improve... |
| 1: She is not emo, she is not goth either, I hate you. 2: Know those things, like I said earlier, my anatomy is a flaming piece of shit. I know this. So you probably ask 'Why don't you change it if you know it's a flaming piece of shit?', I mean, it's completely obvious it is right, why won't I just correct that? And then I have to reply 'I can't see it.', ahahahahahahahah. I don't know what causes this problem with my perception but I know every-thing which should be absolute is in fact relative. I have no way to tell right from left, no way at all. The only way for me to know it is that I know English is written from left to right, that's it. If you print a text in mirror I won't even notice it and just read it. I have no way of knowing a tone is high or low, just if it's higher or lower. I don't know if musical pieces are dissonant or even false, I know whether I like them or not. I don't know if I'm warm or cold, I know if I'm warming up or cooling down. Same with genders, I don't think in 'male' versus 'female' I think in 'more feminine' versus 'more male' and lastly the same with humans. It's a continuous line in my case and at some very distant point I'm going to notice it's so not human that some-thing is wrong. I've once found some-one cute whom others remarked 'Her face is pretty deformed you know that?' So you're now probably going to think, how on earth will people listen to your music? How will people like any-thing you make if you can't even tell left from right, bright from dark, hell, even red from blue... I can see the difference if you put them right next besides each other.. but not on their own... My whole target group has the same condition ahah, or at least they are not turned down by it. My music sounds dissonant and even false as fuck as the vast majority of the 'notes' I use aren't on the chromatic scale, no one cares, ahaha. They all find it emotional. Like, some people are able to notice if it's dissonant but no one cares. I knew people were going to find her dysmorphed here but it's not relevant as the targed group all responds with 'Aww, cute girl...' Have you ever listened to any music I made? :') you'll think it's utterly disorganised and chaotic noise, almost every-one does. You need to be able to listen to sound in relative way to experience it. Some people are, I am however unable to listen to sound in an absolute way. I know some people who can do both, they can get both worlds... as for me... I didn't really listen to music until I was 15 or some-thing and got into some experimental classical pieces. Yeah, I get some benefits like being able to read prints on the mirrors in shops while being inside and not even noticing it's mirrored (The first indication of this when I was little and my mum noticed I was reading a disclaimer nonchalantly which to her was irreadible as it's mirrored), I can listen to some extremely emotional pieces of music as you need to depart from the chromatic tones for deeper and more complicated emotions. I won't even notice a map is upside down and will still get you were you want to be. But I take a full five seconds in a car to decide what is left and what is right if people ask me where to go 'Ehh, steering wheel left, ah, that turn, other window, ah, right.' and I have troubles telling men and women apart.. and am a drastically bad guesser of age. I know that girl looks about deformed to you, but I can't be arsed to correct and I fail to see why body parts out of what people 'normally' have would make some-one look even weird. It's like guessing drawing a line with no guide that's exactly 2.31 metres long for me, getting 'correct anatomy', and neither do I feel it's extremely relevant the line is, in fact, 2.21 metres, like in anatomy. |
| Perelman, martyr |
| A little somthing for a friend of mine on another site. :D Jaxxy! If anyone has some tips on th hand, they are gladly appriciated. Zoomed in Fingers are a bitch to draw! |
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| And done so spectacularly. As I said before, it's not my style and I can't give you tips. |
| Perelman, martyr |
Rage-The-Dragoon said: A little somthing for a friend of mine on another site. :D Jaxxy! If anyone has some tips on th hand, they are gladly appriciated. Zoomed in Fingers are a bitch to draw! The hand is actually relatively convincing and you did all the vanishing point perspective business. However, it looks like she's holding like a paintbrush with a pencil tip since the back is pointed. If you were to argue that its so small you can't distinguish it's the back, the pencil would be like a foot (or more) long. The hand would look more natural if the fingers (including the thumb) pointed curving inwards toward the pencil more, rather than flat against it. Just try to hold a pencil like that...I almost cramped my hand trying it. Of course, it's more difficult to do because straight tubes in perspective are much easier to draw than an object changing direction. Note I'm being pretty critical, as it will probably fool most people how it's already done. GJ, foreshortening is pretty hard to do without a reference. |
| She looks very Dragonball-influenced to me XD I agree that there is something odd about the pencil. There is no eraser on the other end, it seems to come to a point on the back of her hand, at the part where the thumb joins the rest of the hand and it is resting there. The front of the pencil is huge, how can all her fingers lay flat against it? Is it like one of those giant jumbo-markers? I would think the last two fingers would be bent behind the pencil. I suck at drawing hands though, so I can't really explain how it should be fixed ^^; I really like the cel-style coloring! It has been ages since I have tried that (unless I am actually painting a cel). The colors are awesome! :D |
| Like Shoujo? Visit: Emily's Random Shoujo Manga Page |
| Still practicing... |
"...Only fools stand up and really lay down their arms. No, not me, not when death lasts forever." |
| Makes me wish I could draw. I've always wanted to draw a picture of Rena with her knife thing in one hand and satoko's head in the other. |
| (づ°‿°.)づ |
| Wow! Both magical emi and arixx works' are awesome! You guys are pros! I wish I could become like that. I'm working on it though. To rage about your post to nish: While it's true that any person who wants to draw has to abide by the rules and basics of drawing but art is subjective and the result will be pleasant regardless of how many errors and mistakes the illustrator does. It's not like a machine that won't function unless you follow instructions. Art is meant to express ideas and thoughts of those who create it. If all artworks should be the same then there's no point in using it as a form of expression or as way to convey messeges. I hope that makes sense. I think you were hard on the guy. |
ScrumYummy said: i scored a BURN. scored a dodge-burn. hoohoo, art joke. :D Actually I thought about criticising his drawing too. But w/e... Kudos to you for wasting so much time :B |
Rebella said: Wow! Both magical emi and arixx works' are awesome! You guys are pros! I wish I could become like that. I'm working on it though. To rage about your post to nish: While it's true that any person who wants to draw has to abide by the rules and basics of drawing but art is subjective and the result will be pleasant regardless of how many errors and mistakes the illustrator does. It's not like a machine that won't function unless you follow instructions. Art is meant to express ideas and thoughts of those who create it. If all artworks should be the same then there's no point in using it as a form of expression or as way to convey messeges. I hope that makes sense. I think you were hard on the guy. totally agreed art should be done for fun regardless of the errors. XD If that wasnt the case i'd be doing somthing I diddnt like for 8 years now. but side from that any artist wants to improove himself. wether it's a sertain pose, perspective or coloring, there's always something you want to master aside having from fun drawing, cause the more you know the more possibility's you have. btw I never ment all artwork should be the same. o_o but if your aiming to draw somthing for the anatomy even anime style anatomy lol , then you cant go around a some of the basic factors. |
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| I've just been practicing/sketching lately so I haven't posted in a while. Not worth doing any "finished works" yet. Must learn...gestures...and do studies... Just some generic pose/chara I made. I should be doing like 10 of these a day... Arm study |
FuiDec 1, 2008 12:20 PM
| i tried drawing one myself using the guide from deviantart.. my first drawing >< |
| Here's something I'm working on with my tablet. It's the first time I've used it so I'm still trying to get used to it ^^; http://xxsparrowgirlxx.deviantart.com/art/Nightmare-Before-Christmas-WIP-103706361 |
| <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/5ukai9.png" border="0"> <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/bgofnl.png" border="0"><img src="http://myanimelist.net/signature/Konahi_chan.png" border="0"><img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/2zefm2x.png" border="0"> <img src="http://i43.tinypic.com/vcyjq0.png" border="0"> |
| it looks really good, although i have no idea what "tablet" is....still, nice, i like the gate design around it all - simple yet effective |
| Yeah, tabletdrawing needs some practising before you can pull of these crazy smooth lines they do around here :P |
| well,... i did this thing with my tablet... although I still suck in painting....:\ I really need to learn some kind of painting technic... any ideas?  |
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| Jup, I have the same problem. My lines aren't that bad, but my colouring simply sucks :P |
SASAKI said: Jup, I have the same problem. My lines aren't that bad, but my colouring simply sucks :P well... all my life I only did b&w stuff... with coal for example... I just never got the hang of painting in color... and my lines fit paper, still didn't got used to the tablet and the fact I need to make stronger lines... arrrgh. well... the only thing that I can say is that I got better in painting, i used to REALLY suck and always was pissed painting... but now at least I had a lot of fun making this XD |
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| double posting: I did a better version for this, what do you guys think? tried a new way to color stuff in photoshop XD  |
SoraQuasarNov 29, 2008 9:48 AM
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| they are both great, but i like the first one a little more cause of the water colour effect and duller colours, i find the colour is too much in the second still both are great and i only wish i could (and knew how) to do that |
DarkerThanDante said: they are both great, but i like the first one a little more cause of the water colour effect and duller colours, i find the colour is too much in the second still both are great and i only wish i could (and knew how) to do that really? cuz i don't like the first one... it came all clumsy and stuff... ok, this one is just to practice my new method of painting in photoshop ^_^ |
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| This reminds me of the Yuri i drew. |
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