Good Anime (IE,; No moe, no fanservice) with mindfuck.

damicore said:


Search for the moe in your heart.

Now, honestly though, moe IN PRACTICE ends being just to make characters and stuff LOOK cute and adorable, to get the audience passionate/protective about a character without doing any genuine character development. A great description from a guy at other forum.

I obviously meant moe as Konata, K-on and retarded things like those. Whenever I see a young girl talking like a baby I don't want to hear anymore of whatever she has to say (if she has anything to say at all, that is).
As for Kaiji being moe or not or Rei being moe for some otakus with far-fetched asceptions of the word, I don't care either.
Those characters were properly developed; they didn't become likeable for a bunch of otakus because they spoke like 8 year olds and spout lines like "please, takepyon oniichan, be gentle with me". THAT's where the difference lies.

Amberleh said:
This is absurd. You all know exactly what he means by moe and that he clearly doesn't like it. Every person has unique likes and dislikes, why is he not allowed to dislike Higurashi and other things just on the premise that it has what most people would perceive as moe (myself included)? WHY on earth are you all just arguing for the sake of argument over what moe actually means? YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANT. HE DOESN'T LIKE IT. Case closed. It's really easy to NOT recommend him that stuff because you know what series have it.

Higashi_no_Kaze said:


It's not far-fetched, but I wont argue about that anymore.
You just proved that you can explain the request without using a term like moe that is (in both the original and the twisted/western meaning) a highly subjective term. You don't want UNDEVELOPED characters and BAD fanservice. That is a valid request. I still recommend Kaiba for a good Mindfuck Series.




Well, I don't. How far does the misconception go? Does he only want series with no women under 40 in the cast? No pets? It's hard to judge how fanatical the anti-moe crowd is in their dislike of everything they would consider moe. And very frequently you'll see people actively hating on 'moe' when they actually enjoy it, and just qualify it as 'moe fanservice' if they don't, and as 'relaxing slice-of-life' when they do. The OP himself defined as 'scenes when you think 'why the fuck did they add this?'', which basically is telling us that whenever he thinks something was unnecessary he'll call it moe.
I'm also still unsure if the OP would consider my recommendation (Kaiba) as moe or not. That's just how little I know about what people mean when using a term that has a gazillion different meanings, all of them rather useless for recommendation requests. That's why I brought it up in a recommendation thread specifically, as I'm quite active on this subforum.

Not to mention the air of ignorance that makes the anti-moe people oppose everything that anyone could relate to the term, regardless of quality. Much the same as the people that only care about 'moe' and don't watch anything else. except they tend to ooze self-satisfaction and constantly downtalk everything they relate to the moe term, instead of just accepting that shows like Lucky Star or K-On (I've seen neither btw) have a huge fanbase. The OP post was a good example of that misinformed arrogance (just look at how he phrased his request). That's why I like to bring up the moe discussion in general, whenever I see a bad case.

And that is still not mentioning the fact that 'fanservice' can also be something like the guns in Gantz/Psycho-pass basically making people explode instead of just killing them. Just catering to a different crowd, but still fan-service. And I doubt the OP wants stuff like that excluded from his recs.

Nordhau5 said:
So help me God if anyone says Psycho-Pass.