| When you have a mahou shoujo in an anime, it is usually inspired by either PreCure, Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura or, more rarely, either Nanoha or Minky Momo. I have no idea, however, which MMORPG inspire most anime. Japanese people mostly play online games via consoles, their big-5 being Final Fantasy XI, Dragon Quest X, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XIV and Phantasy Star Online II, all on console. Needless to say, the games/worlds in anime look like neither of them. Are they more enamored with the concept of a MMORPG rather tan any MMORPG in specific? |
| I'm convinced that most mangaka and LN authors who write about MMORPGs have never actually played one. It's just their idea of what an MMORPG is like rather than anything based on the real genre, with some exceptions like Log Horizon which was obviously written by an actual MMORPG player |
| These days everyone is just copying each other's homework. But if you want the origin it goes back to classic RPGs Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Mana series and the like. thewiru said: Needless to say, the games/worlds in anime look like neither of them. Are you tone-deaf or just stupid? These are the most shameless ripoffs I have known. It's honestly annoying whenever someone denies it just to defend their favorite anime. Frieren fanboys get butthurt when I call their "special" anime an isekai even though the world and power system are directly picked from RPGs and even the character designs are generic ripoffs Some classic characters designs from JRPGs Does it remind you of a certain "masterpiece" that was "a fresh and unique take on fantasy" |
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These days everyone is just copying each other's homework. But if you want the origin it goes back to classic RPGs Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Mana series and the like.
Are you tone-deaf or just stupid? These are the most shameless ripoffs I have known. It's honestly annoying whenever someone denies it just to defend their favorite anime. Frieren fanboys get butthurt when I call their "special" anime an isekai even though the world and power system are directly picked from RPGs and even the character designs are generic ripoffs
Some classic characters designs from JRPGs
Does it remind you of a certain "masterpiece" that was "a fresh and unique take on fantasy"
thewiru said:
Needless to say, the games/worlds in anime look like neither of them.
Needless to say, the games/worlds in anime look like neither of them.
Are you tone-deaf or just stupid? These are the most shameless ripoffs I have known. It's honestly annoying whenever someone denies it just to defend their favorite anime. Frieren fanboys get butthurt when I call their "special" anime an isekai even though the world and power system are directly picked from RPGs and even the character designs are generic ripoffs
Some classic characters designs from JRPGs
Does it remind you of a certain "masterpiece" that was "a fresh and unique take on fantasy"
| @Captain-577 You seem to have ignored the fact that I wrote "MMORPGs", and not simply "RPGs". The "MMO" part is important. |
| I don't believe those anime draw upon real MMOs. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Basically, top charts tech nerdity exists, as you may think about Visual novels like Fate and Touhou scene. Both MSX and that Apple PC existed. Japan is full of Net Cafes, that double as manga cafes, Lain covers it a little. The LN writers wrote and posted in blogs and flip cell phones could access internet. And the Gamecube/PS2 was ultra annoying to setup online, but there were peripherals giving them ~PC likeness. So you have all the Online games to consider, because Writers are nerdy. VRMMO didn`t exist until very close to today. But that demo of Dragon quest for wii was famous. Ignoring that, Dreamcast already had online, so PSO and PSU. SNES satellaview concept of a BBS and events existed too. Pokemon basically plays with the idea that everyone you meet (and pokemon is huge) is game ready. Next there is Mabinogi, Ragnarok, Maple Story is similar, but there was a lot of generic small ones (monster farm lagoon, trickster, ...) that were free, or paid but 2 weeks free, and short lived. Local network games, like Brandish in portable let you play with anyone in the same wifi. Captain didn`t mention, but Wizardry, is basically single player Table top RPG, I think it was Sword And Magic. Whatever is their famous game name that sources campaigns for Slayers, and Lodoss War. It sources Final Fantasy, BoF and DQ. There is also Digital Devil Story (Megami tensei`s) that as concept is famous, and is a source for Digimon. (And is linked to Bible Black I think). |
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| I don't think they're inspired from any one specific MMORPG. |
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@thewiru
And what difference does the "MMO" part make?
And what difference does the "MMO" part make?
| @Captain-577 Are you serious? It's like asking what the difference is between an FPS game and a racing game, since both of them are video games |
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@thewiru
And what difference does the "MMO" part make?
And what difference does the "MMO" part make?
| @Captain-577 If you're playing a normal RPG while being a schizo, zero. If you're playing most MMORPGs nowadays, with their current player counts, also zero. Otherwise, kinda ALL OF THE DIFFERENCE. |
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@Captain-577
If you're playing a normal RPG while being a schizo, zero.
If you're playing most MMORPGs nowadays, with their current player counts, also zero.
Otherwise, kinda ALL OF THE DIFFERENCE.
If you're playing a normal RPG while being a schizo, zero.
If you're playing most MMORPGs nowadays, with their current player counts, also zero.
Otherwise, kinda ALL OF THE DIFFERENCE.
| @thewiru "ALL OF THE DIFFERENCE"   I fail to see any |
| Log Horizon's author was inspired by Ultima Online I think. .Hack//sign was inspired by pre-WoW MMOs. SAO's author was inspired by Ultima Online and Ragnarok Online Welcome to the N.H.K. has MMORPG scenes that are likely inspired by old school MMOs as well. So, a substantial group of Japanese 'nerds' who had a PC and played MMORPGs had a general zeitgeist influence on the fantasy-rpg world in the 1990s and 2000s. What they played inspired themselves or others to create stories based on the MMORPGs because these things were super novel, interesting, and inherently imaginative. And because people like to mix and blend cultures, we get a whole vague imaginative world of regurgitated media from singleplayer RPGs, pop culture references, to fantasy novels, to mmorpgs, etc. Which means that into the 2010s when people are writing light novels and stuff like that, some of them probably haven't played MMOs but base off their stories on the preexisting 'mmorpg' archetype. Of course, during this era in the Western gaming space MMORPGs change (or don't) and have generally stagnated since then as newer and more popular things come around. Well, there's still nothing quite like a good old MMORPG. So, mmorpg influenced stories are still somewhat enamored by the classic fascination we modern folk have been having with a large-scale, virtual world full of NPCs and players, going on raids, exploring new areas, obtaining rare unique items, etc. I don't know what Shangri-La Frontier is inspired by but I believe it's an amalgamation of various influences that aren't necessarily MMORPG, but from other games as well that just happen to be taking place primarily in an MMORPG since it's a convenient location for a large open world shared by many users. |
ow + nw = 90-2000s |
thewiru said: Are they more enamored with the concept of a MMORPG rather tan any MMORPG in specific? It seems to me like the characters (or fans) are more drawn to the concept of MMORPGs themselves. Shit like leveling up, exploring worlds, collecting rare shit, and having fun, etc... rather than being attached to any particular game. Back in the early 2000s, I played FFXI for a year. After getting to the top level and God Gear, I camped "Lord of Onzozo" till I managed to get a "Kraken Club" to drop. Keeping track of it's spawn time and window and even if I sometimes had to miss it spawn due to needing to do real life shit such as taking care of family and work, I would still manage to find out when it last died due to seeing what Users were where that unusually camped the damn monster too. lol I would simply quickly log on when I could, already prepared to solo it. Part of the fun was trying to compete with others to claim the monster when it spawned. Because there was always at least 3 other parties Usually constantly camping it. Often times, just sitting around chatting with the other Users till it actually popped up. I managed to claim it 7 times and on the the 7th claim I got a fucking "Kraken Club" to drop (Always good to have the best internet connection. lol). The Drop rate for that shit was between 1/1000 (0.1%) and 1/10000 (0.01%) and I actually managed to get one. Ended up playing around with it because it was fucking cool swinging around a weapon that basically built up TP instantly because it "Occasioally attacks 2 to 8 times". lol  After a week playing around with it, I sold my account for a few thousand dollars with all my items and gil and the "Kraken Club" and quit the game. lol "BOFURI" obviously seems inspired by FFXI. The "NewWorld Online logo" screen in the Anime is basically set up like the Square Enix 1st version of the "PlayOnline launcher" logo screen for FFXI. lol |
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thewiru said:
Are they more enamored with the concept of a MMORPG rather tan any MMORPG in specific?
Are they more enamored with the concept of a MMORPG rather tan any MMORPG in specific?
It seems to me like the characters (or fans) are more drawn to the concept of MMORPGs themselves. Shit like leveling up, exploring worlds, collecting rare shit, and having fun, etc... rather than being attached to any particular game.
Back in the early 2000s, I played FFXI for a year. After getting to the top level and God Gear, I camped "Lord of Onzozo" till I managed to get a "Kraken Club" to drop. Keeping track of it's spawn time and window and even if I sometimes had to miss it spawn due to needing to do real life shit such as taking care of family and work, I would still manage to find out when it last died due to seeing what Users were where that unusually camped the damn monster too. lol
I would simply quickly log on when I could, already prepared to solo it. Part of the fun was trying to compete with others to claim the monster when it spawned. Because there was always at least 3 other parties Usually constantly camping it. Often times, just sitting around chatting with the other Users till it actually popped up. I managed to claim it 7 times and on the the 7th claim I got a fucking "Kraken Club" to drop (Always good to have the best internet connection. lol). The Drop rate for that shit was between 1/1000 (0.1%) and 1/10000 (0.01%) and I actually managed to get one. Ended up playing around with it because it was fucking cool swinging around a weapon that basically built up TP instantly because it "Occasioally attacks 2 to 8 times". lol
After a week playing around with it, I sold my account for a few thousand dollars with all my items and gil and the "Kraken Club" and quit the game. lol
"BOFURI" obviously seems inspired by FFXI. The "NewWorld Online logo" screen in the Anime is basically set up like the Square Enix 1st version of the "PlayOnline launcher" logo screen for FFXI. lol
ColourWheel said: After a week playing around with it, I sold my account for a few thousand dollars with all my items and gil and the "Kraken Club" and quit the game. lol This is exactly the sort of thing I want to see in an anime, lol. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| While not an immersive/isekai-type anime, the fictional MMORPG played by the main role in «Himouto! Umaru-chan» features UI design and a wide variety of dress-up parts strongly influenced by the graphics of the actual 〘Phantasy Star Online 2〙. Chaotic avatars would be created by adding parts indiscriminately without a clear concept also shared, making it a parody fitting for this comical atmosphere and its unruly protagonist.  Speaking of 〘PSO2〙, «Ryuugajou Nanana no Maizoukin» uses screens identical to the actual game, licensed and supervised by the developers. I never had the chance to actually watch this show. [anime that 〘PSO2〙 is adapted] - Phantasy Star Online 2 The Animation - Phantasy Star Online 2: Episode Oracle - Puso Ni Comi 〘Episode Oracle〙 is depicted solely from the perspective of a character within the game world. The other two works feature a structure where the perspectives of 〘PSO2〙 players on real world and characters within 〘PSO2〙 intersect. In «Babylon», during flashbacks to his student days, a figure who is to-be-the-POTUS plays a MOROG game with a 2D plane view reminiscent of «Ultima Online» several times. Screen UI design in Japanese animation has increasingly become a specialized profession independent of the other processes. Tracking staff credits, we could list their work history. Although its momentum has slowed, MMORPGs have made significant strides thanks to Korean developers. Delving into this topic would require detailed retrospective research on Korean games, manga, and anime, not only Japanese ones. |
Lucifrost said: ColourWheel said: After a week playing around with it, I sold my account for a few thousand dollars with all my items and gil and the "Kraken Club" and quit the game. lol This is exactly the sort of thing I want to see in an anime, lol. "Recovery of an MMO Junkie" and "Welcome to the N.H.K." in my experience of consuming Anime more realistically mirror how real MMOs are in reflection to real life. It's kind of odd not many Anime titles ever focus on the real life money aspect of MMO gaming. Where in "Recovery of an MMO Junkie" you got characters dumping money on Gacha. lol And within the story of "Welcome to the N.H.K.", there is a short arc about the protag getting into an MMORPG hoping to make money from farming in game currency to sell for real life cash. It also touches on the unhealthly aspects of the MMO addiction where there is a scene that is extremely vivid... It foreshadowed the character as an old man who just wasted their entire life playing such a stupid game for decades. Showing a scene of him hovering over his computer screen looking at his "God Like" character he has built over the years with every powerful item and weapon equipped and maxed out level, all the while shoving a bunch of chips in his mouth to eat seeing all his teeth completely rotted out. lol The sad thing is I know a guy who I went to high school with who basically mirrors the foreshadowed image in the "N.H.K." series. This guy was a neighbor who lived next to me when I was still in high school who basically did waste their entire life playing FFXI for almost two decades straight. The guy was over weight, looked and smelled like shit, had stains all over his T-shirt, his face covered in facial hair and pimples, and over half of his head was bald. One could smell how bad the guys breath was only standing less than 3 feet away from them when they were talking towards you and any time they opened their mouth you could see every fucking tooth they had completely rotting away and black. It literally looked like the guy had stubs of black coal for what was left of the teeth inside his mouth... If the dude would have only played FFXI for only a few years and then just sold their account for cash, they likely could have raked in over 5,000 USDs just for owning a Kraken Club (Surprising he had one too, but he actually bought one from someone in game for over 100,000,000 gil lol). |
ColourWheelOct 13, 1:01 AM
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