| Black Clover definitely one of them. |
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| Dandadan and CSM. We don't know the third one yet. Black Clover was never part of the Big 3 since it was never popular as all Big 3. |
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Dandadan and CSM.
We don't know the third one yet. Black Clover was never part of the Big 3 since it was never popular as all Big 3.
Dandadan and CSM.
We don't know the third one yet. Black Clover was never part of the Big 3 since it was never popular as all Big 3.
CSM is niche not big 3.
| @Confused_100 CSM was never niché, it was already popular even before the Anime was released in 2022 and its still popular. |
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ToumaTachibana said:
@Confused_100 CSM was never niché, it was already popular even before the Anime was released in 2022 and its still popular.
@Confused_100 CSM was never niché, it was already popular even before the Anime was released in 2022 and its still popular.
Not as popular as DS, JJK or my hero and most likely won’t reach them ever. Its sales after anime didn’t change as much. It actually dropped in a lot of cases. That’s called niche compared to what happened to these 3.
CSM is in the veins of let’s say tokyo ghouls type of thing.
| @Confused_100 But none of the Big 3 have the same level of popularity. Bleach never had Naruto or One Piece popularity but it was more popular than other shounen from the 2000s like Shaman King. I'm not even talking about anime sales since they don't matter much considering most Anime fans don't watch Anime on legal sites in the first place. Also OP is probably talking about shounen who already ended in their source. So the Big 3 shounen will be: Original Big 3: -Bleach -One Piece -Naruto Second incarnation Big 3: -BNHA -Kimetsu no Yaiba -JJK Third incarnation Big 3: -CSM -DDD -???? Of course some modern shounen can lose popularity over the time. For example, BNHA was more popular between 2017 to 2020, I was there when S2 aired and it was the reason why BNHA became popular while S1 did not since it was just a single cour and S1 was mostly an introduction. CSM was already popular even before S1 aired and its still popular. It not a case where other modern shounen lost their popularity over the years like Fire Force or they were unpopular from the start like Black Clover. We don't know if Kagurabachi and Gokurakugai are going to be another Fire Force and I'm already seeing Sakamoto Days is not going to be popular as other big 3 considering, despite both parts aired in less than years, part 2 received much less hype than the first one. Dandadan is the opposite case of Sakamoto Days, its a massively popular shounen. Returning to the BNHA topic, BNHA is considered part of the second incarnation of big 3 since it aired when Naruto was ending, Deku is called the "green Naruto" for a reason and it was only face of modern shounen until Kimetsu and JJK aired in 2019 and 2020 and unlike Fire Force and Black Clover, which quickly fadded into unpopularity -Black Clover was much a generic shounen while Fire Force long time between seasons making it less and less popular)- |
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| Maybe Dandadan will be one of them. |
| one piece is still the big 1. |
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@ToumaTachibana Again CSM popularity is in the veins of Tokyo Ghouls but getting an actual good adaptation.
My hero appeals to a more broad fanbases. JJK and DS also. CSM has more of a niche taste. It’s just how it is. You can’t convince me or anyone that CSM appeals to fanbases like JJK, DS or BnHA.
Even Bleach appeals to more people than CSM. And big three are famous for their manga sales and saving industry not anime. Plus saying bleach isn’t as popular as Naruto and one piece is like saying Naruto isn’t as popular to one piece. The three did something unique.
If you want my honest opinion, there is only one big three.
My hero appeals to a more broad fanbases. JJK and DS also. CSM has more of a niche taste. It’s just how it is. You can’t convince me or anyone that CSM appeals to fanbases like JJK, DS or BnHA.
Even Bleach appeals to more people than CSM. And big three are famous for their manga sales and saving industry not anime. Plus saying bleach isn’t as popular as Naruto and one piece is like saying Naruto isn’t as popular to one piece. The three did something unique.
If you want my honest opinion, there is only one big three.
| @Confused_100 Chainsaw man was never niche. It was one the most popular manga without an anime at one point, and had a lot of buzz and hype when the anime was announced. I won't even pretend the season 1 adaptation helped it as much as it could've since it's been known the Japanese market hated it when it was projected by the production to have the same jjk success. The movie have taken the right direction though so it's natural to assume that it'll become more popular with the coming arcs being better than the current ones. Also, I dont get the grouping of BnHA, JJK and DS as for more "broad fanbases. If anything, the JJK fanbase overlap more with CSM than DS, BnHA, Black Clover or any another contemporary jump manga. They were even lumped with Hell's Paradise during publishing as the so-called "Dark Trio" because they had darker themes, faster-pacing and more shock-reliant writing than anything else at that time. People like BnHA because it came out right after Naruto ended and everyone thought no more 'good' battle shonen is going to come out, now most of its fans seem embarassed to even say they like it. Demon Slayer WAS niche, in fact, barely anyone even knew about the manga until it got carried by Ufotable's magic, so who's to say an already popular manga in CSM wont have the same effect. I can say the same for black clover too. The reason those 3 are popular is because they followed the very same formula their predecessors did without any attempt at being novel. Meanwhile, Dandadan, JJK, CSM, Hell's Paradise, among others, relied more on shock and unpredictability which is at least trying something different - and by popularity metrics, it works. On the big 3 topic, BnHA, JJk and DS manga already ended, two of which's anime adaptations are already on their final arc. If we're going by sales and general buzz, it's obvious next-in-line are CSM and DanDaDan which still has a good few years of content to be adapted and are still ongoing. I dont think that has to be argued. The original big 3 only really meant the 3 most-selling jump manga at that time. If were going by actual popularity, Bleach was indeed never on the same level as Naruto or One Piece regardless if they "did something unique." It's well-known Kubo had a lot of trouble on getting his manga finished, and the anime even remained on hiatus for an entire decade. That can't be said for Naruto and One Piece. No one ever remembers Ichigo the same way people are still obsessed with Naruto and Luffy. Even in influence alone, most shonen jump nowadays take more from Naruto and One Piece, and the only explicitly-known Bleach-inspired few are JJK and maybe CSM but even that is a bit of a stretch. There was even a large amount of people back then who thought the Big 3 were Naruto, One Piece, and Dragonball with Bleach being almost always forgotten in terms of word-of-mouth. If anything, I'd say that the Big 3 in modern terms are just the current jump manga at the forefront carrying the industry in terms of sales and word-of-mouth, not necessarily 'saving the industry' because even back then One Piece and Naruto alone could've done that without bleach and more honestly, manga as an industry was never truly in need of 'saving.' |
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Confused_100 said: Said no one ever. The idea that one of the best-selling manga of its time is “niche” is wild. You can make that argument for cult classics like Monogatari or FLCL—both clear influences—but not for a series that fuses those sensibilities into a mainstream shōnen framework. Calling Chainsaw Man niche just shows a misunderstanding of the term, especially when you’re also labeling Tokyo Ghoul—which once outsold Attack on Titan and Kingdom—the same way. These are undeniably mainstream; even a quick Google search or MAL check would show that.has been known forever that CSM is more niche than most Confused_100 said: Weak. By your logic, you can say the concept of incessantly-crying losers like Deku, a reverse tsundere that probably suffers from mental retardation of some form like Bakugou, or inexplicably overpowered altruists like Yuji and Ichigo doesn't resonate with most people either - and I'd think youre out of touch. Youre confusing likability with resonability. It's such an insanely asinine take especially for the topic at hand, being that 'manga aimed at teens.' If you find the fact that most teen readers connecting to flawed or degenerate characters as 'new' then youre mistaken—it’s the whole foundation of shōnen. There's an entire generation of readers barking whenever Makima is on panel, the deranged shipping community of BnHA, somebody's daughter labelling Gojo Satoru as their so-called husband, etc. I won't even delve into your obvious misunderstanding of CSM's narrative.But the concept of a desperate virgin doesn’t resonate with people, yeah I know I am shocked. The "Dark Trio" label well-existed long before Hell's Paradise MAPPA adaptation was announced, so I won't delve in that wrong take either. JJK is 'dark' in the shounen sense that it isn't afraid to depict deaths and less juvenile themes in an overwhelming speedrun-y pacing that sometimes makes it unpredictable. I'm sure everyone's aware at this point that Demon Slayer's narrative is unoriginal and often bogged down by typical melodramatic backstory midfight nonsense that plagued it's predecessors, nothing dark or inherently noteworthy with "how it does things" if that isn't just cope and actually means something. There's no arguement made here about JJK, BnHA or DS original being orginal stories - the point is where their audiences overlap which you obviously gotten wrong with how you lumped three thematically incomparable series together. Confused_100 said: and BnHA, Black Clover, Demon Slayer sales fluctuate in-between anime seasons. CSM still surged past 10 - 30 million copies after the anime, even if it didn’t match JJK’s spike. That’s not a failure, just overblown expectations so that's another you've gotten wrong.CSM manga sales has dropped significantly during its part 2 run. Again you can look it up, very easy to find. Anime didn’t help and the ones who watched the anime most likely liked/read the manga. Confused_100 said: Part 2 is ending. Manga was announced to be in 3 parts after part 1 has ended. The anime hasn't even touch upon half of part 1 either so wrong again. DDD and CSM being next-in-line isn't flabbergasting, no other ongoing shonen manga are factually as popular by word-of-mouth and even well-hyped ones like Spy x Family and Sakamoto Days quickly faded in the background.Plus CSM is ending in its manga right now, as in it is at its final stretch. So it being in next “big three” is just flabbergasting. I can argue DDD, since it’s still has no end at sight. Confused_100 said: and that so-called big three wouldn't exist without Yu Yu Hakusho, HxH or Dragonball, so on and forth dating back to Jojo and Ashita no Joe etc. The label just meant three dominant shōnen running at once, not some sacred title. The idea that Naruto or Bleach “saved” the industry is a myth—they were just the biggest during their era. "Better storytelling" you mean snailpaced first arcs that didn't age well, poorly-written fillers in between canon arcs and nonsensical powerscaling that's starting to resonate less and less with modern audiences? Good one. They're not the so-called "building blocks" of anime, it's their influences that served as the base, and every new popular thing builds on top of that. From 80's classics, to the old big three, onto the up-and-coming ones.Finally the name big three was made by west, but it signifies the name of the mangas that literally saved the industry. Meaning with naruto, bleach or one piece, most of the “big threes” you are trying to label wouldn’t even be here. It’s making the label more useless other than unique. Confused_100 said: Naming a bunch of unrelated titles that aren't even from the same genre off of MAL's Top Most Popular doesn't prove anything. In that case, I could just name anything above 5 million members and label them those same buzzwords. You call Tokyo Ghoul an “exception,” then lump it with CSM and call it niche—so which is it? You're contradicting yourself.There are a few exceptions like berserk, fmab, vinland saga, tokyo ghouls, and code geass but that’s it. If we want to label CSM somewhere, it would literally be tokyo ghouls. It fits the description even. Niche. |
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TheRailTracerMAL said:
Demon Slayer WAS niche, in fact, barely anyone even knew about the manga until it got carried by Ufotable's magic
The anime blew it up, but DS was never niche what bs are you sneaking into your Phd take? Before the adaptation, it already sold 4M(to put it into perspective, it sold more than JJK which was pretty hyped b4 the adaptation). And b4 it even blew up, the anime was the biggest new adaptation coming to screen in the season it airedDemon Slayer WAS niche, in fact, barely anyone even knew about the manga until it got carried by Ufotable's magic
| @Magpareddi niche in the sense that it was never going around through word-of-mouth in the same way that chainsaw man, jjk or even dr. Stone was. It may have sold well in the japan, but nobody in the west actually gave a shit about it before the anime. Which makes sense, a lot shonen readers wanted something that is at least trying to be unique and subverting expectations, and Demon Slayer absolutely has none of that. |
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@TheRailTracerMAL ok I get not popular in the west, but you really aren't selling me on JJK "unique and subverting expectations"
| @Magpareddi subverting expectations in the sense that it's far more shock-reliant than a lot of its predecessors, therefore making it at times, unpredictable. That isn't to say it is any more original or creative than any typical shonen manga. But i at least find it more entertaining than what BnHA or Demon Slayer was trying to do. |
| The answer to your question is: BLEACH, Naruto, One Piece. As in the Big 3 is the big 3 and it won't change and there will not be a new big 3. |
| Did y'all even know why the "Big Three" term exist? |
| Ugh, I hate names like that. It sounds so cringy... anyway, it's hard to say for now, because all three titles above, despite their completed manga, are still more or less popular. I don't keep up with new manga, but maybe it's the meme-like Kagurabachi? The rest... I don't know. And why isn't Dragon Ball in the first big t3? WTF? Too old? |
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Idk why posts like this annoy me. Because there is only one big three. Bleach, Naruto and One piece. Not one anime did what these did, which is save the whole industry.
We can say these are like the sons of big three. But then I have a hard time putting them. Demon Slayer achieved similar feats, so I can’t deny that. JJK, welll let’s say the final arc won’t make it memorable and well you will see what I mean. My hero drew people into anime, specifically hero fans, and did some feats.
You can decide sons of big three but calling them big three just never sits right with anyone tbh.
We can say these are like the sons of big three. But then I have a hard time putting them. Demon Slayer achieved similar feats, so I can’t deny that. JJK, welll let’s say the final arc won’t make it memorable and well you will see what I mean. My hero drew people into anime, specifically hero fans, and did some feats.
You can decide sons of big three but calling them big three just never sits right with anyone tbh.
| @Confused_100 It's not that deep. People get too worked up about old anime and turn them into sacred things that can't be touched. The truth is, the original Big 3 are mega-popular series with many flaws. They brought popularity – great. After them, other series came (let's take newer series), such as JJK, SNK, and DS, which have already completely blown the world of anime out of the water. Is there an original Big 3? Yes, but people will enjoy the next ones just because they can. Every decade is governed by its most popular series, which often break sales records, are loved, etc. and that's normal. Generally speaking, before Naruto, One Piece and Bleach, there were anime that deserved more praise and titles, because without them the world of anime would look different, but whatever |
| "New Big 3" is never going to happen. Stop trying to make it happen. |
| @Confused_100 what a bunch of weak, mental acrobatic normie ass nonsense. Confused_100 said: @TheRailTracerMAL so by your logic, Tokyo ghouls was once labelled as big three? Bro doesn’t even know what niche is atp. “Weak” then you proceed to say that it is “aimed for teens”… Asinine was it? I love when you contradicted yourself there. I see where you're confused. Niche means for smaller audiences, a quick google search would have told you that but you can thank me instead. Psyren of all things is niche, ever heard of it? Case-in-point. Nobody smart argues “not for all audiences” = “niche,” because nothing ever is. Yes, Shonen is aimed for teens. Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Demon Slayer, JJK, you name it - are all made for 13 - 17 year boys undergoing puberty. The term "Shonen" actually translates to "young boy," shocking I know. Claiming a loser MC “wouldn’t resonate” when the genre explicitly targets teenagers is what’s asinine. If you somehow consumed the entirety of these manga without getting the idea that they're made for juveniles then I don't know what to tell you. The "Dark Trio" got popularized on anitube when it was already going around online forums before Chainsaw Man and Hell's Paradise MAPPA anime was announced, but naturally someone lost on what's niche and not wouldn't know that. Tokyo Ghoul was never part of any big three, being universally known as a mid manga with an awful adaptation that only got popular because of it's opening song. But it was never "niche," everyone and their mother have seen that one sadboi Kaneki pic in mainstream media, heard of it's opening song, seen clips of that torture scene, etc. Hell, forgot I mentioned it even outsold Attack On Titan once? Is Attack on Titan niche for you? Hilarious. Also it's Tokyo "Ghoul" without an "s", amusing for someone using a Kaneki avatar. You also haven't elaborated on those titles you got off MAL's Top Popular page being so-called "exceptions" to your sacred "pillars" and just abandoned the argument all together. Code Geass? Pfft. Again, weak. Confused_100 said: “JJK is dark in the shounen sense that it isn’t afraid to depict deaths and less juvenile themes in an overwhelming speedrun-y pacing that sometimes makes it unpredictable”. Well that’s a nothing burger, since DS has that but more depict deaths in final arc than the whole of JJK manga so by your logic, DS is more dark and unpredictable… Add to that, DS ended in less chapters than JJK. Finally you couldn’t address dark trio, because that’s fake from MAPPA fans. Its origin only appeared after MAPPA required them. Next? A “nothing burger” is pretending Demon Slayer did anything new when everyone’s already accepted it’s narratively generic. A nothingburger is thinking it is any more dark and novel than JJK when it’s just the same melodramatic flashback formula repeated ad nauseam. The only people who find it unpredictable are those who read with brains turned off. Nobody is claiming JJK or DS are original, JJK is literally a bleach/YYH rip-off - Demon Slayer just copied worse from its influences. Confused_100 said: CSM sales didn’t increase after anime, it continued the same trajectory. It would have reached 30 million with or without an anime. That’s called losing the anime influence it needed. The sales actually decreased in Japan and only increased in the west. And that’s not a good thing. Hence why movie is trying to rectify that. Sales became stagnant after part 1 ended because was on break. To claim it would've gotten 30 million sales without an anime boost and still call it niche is simply disingenuous - even I wouldn't glaze its popularity that much. You're getting caught in your own hogwash, it seems. It's a common trend for sales to fluctuate between anime seasons. Anime naturally reach broader audiences for its source material. There are literal graphs online showing it. To your benefit, I won't even partake in the absurd west having more manga sales than Japan bullshit you tried to sneak in there. Confused_100 said: Manga wasn’t announced to be 3 parts. Now you are putting words in Fujimoto’s mouth. You lost this argument and now making asinine stuff out of nowhere. 2nd part is ending all the threats that were built up. He is literally facing the final 3 devils. Just get in the room and stop being a CSM tourist. Plus part 2 sales were abysmally low comparing to part 1 sales. As it introduced more controversial themes aimed at a specific audience from a teen demographic. Ah, the classic "You lost this argument" cope used by someone losing the argument. Lemme rephrase, the manga was never officially announced to be in three parts - but such plans have been mentioned by publishers during interviews dating back to end of part 1. Even among manga readers, the possibility of a part 3 is being acknowledged. I take it you haven't read Fujimoto's works, but I can tell you he could absolutely prolong the series and take unpredictable routes towards the ending despite the main conflict seemingly nearing conclusion. You completely missed the more important point being that the anime is barely halfway through part 1 - meaning there's a huge load of content to adapt and more time to give the manga sales a boost, whether if it ends tomorrow or not. Meanwhile, BnHA, JJK and DS are ending thereby making Chainsaw Man next-in-line for the so-called big three. The fact remains that it's astronomically more popular by word-of-mouth alone than most of it's ongoing competitors. No amount of malding can refute this. Confused_100 said: You then showed that you didn’t fully read the statement I said about big three, while ignoring the influence of jojo. Disrespectful and tourist kind behaviour. And now you dissed on Naruto and Bleach… Okay let me say it since you want to lose this fast. Naruto and Bleach’s sales were in same trajectory as one piece at one point. Ironically Naruto had more sales at one point also. Naruto has the pain arc alone solos all of the animes you are cheering for right now. Bleach has soul society arc, also solos all of the animes you are cheering for. Both created monumental villains that are more influential than any villain created in modern mangas. Everyone still and will still remember Aizen, Madara, and Pain. This will not be said to Sukuna, AFO, or Muzan. This will not be said to Makima either. Imagine using a cringy internet buzzword while unironically thinking the industry was "saved" by a sacred big three and eternally revolves around 10 other so-called "exceptions" from MAL's Top Most Popular Page. You missed my point entirely — Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece wouldn’t exist without Dragon Ball, JoJo, Yu Yu Hakusho, dating back Ashita no Joe and the first Jump Manga, etc. Every generation builds on the previous one. If were going by actual influence, what about Yu Yu Hakusho and Saint Seiya? And industry-wise, it goes from Mazinger Z and Gundam to Neon Genesis Evangelion, Ghost in The Shell and Akira. These are arguably influential on a grander scale in terms of redefining the anime and their genres, not your nostalgia trio. Naruto never overtook One Piece. It was always significantly lower in terms of sales and was never even close. And let's not embarrass Bleach further. Again, there are literal graphs online showing this. The fact that Demon Slayer kicked Bleach off so easily is evident on how fickle their positions actually are nowadays. Nothing funnier than a Naruto/Bleach fan mentioning their only two decent arcs but disregarding the dated writing that came before and after, inconsistent animation, filler arcs, pacing issues and plot contrivances that bogged down their adaptations but sure. Peak delusion if I ever seen one. As per them being remembered, nothing new was said here, but groundbreaking or the "building blocks" of anime? That's risible. Glazing the old big three as anything more than the popular Shonen of their generation is not some non-tourist behaviour, it's insipid and screams narrow horizon. |
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@TheRailTracerMAL starts out with a provoking statement… My head is like exploding everytime I read your comments lol
Niche in google: a specialised segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service. Meaning niche anime/manga is for a specific audience not with the intent to be enjoyed by all. It is niche alone by tone and also by audience. You keep showing that you are using arguments without even researching once… Then you mentioned that all of animes mentioned are targeted for teens… Yeah I bet you didn’t watch any of them atp because you would have known some of them are even adult themed. CSM btw isn’t targeted for 13-15 except if you have a very weird opinion and think perversive thoughts. So even your inaccurate range isn’t helping your case. And I didn’t say “loser mc”, I said “virgin mc desperate to have a girlfriend and do something specific in mind”… You really are trying to show a misinterpretation and spread it. Aghhh it’s like my brain will lose IQ within this conversation if I keep seeing contradictory things in same comment. Atleast try to contradict yourself in a different one like bruh. “Dark trio” was never a thing until MAPPA acquired them, again you can keep trying to say otherwise but a simple search shows otherwise.
Tokyo ghouls is a mid manga… My brother… Bruh… You are literally insulting CSM by saying that lol. Also it’s not niche? Well we did deduce that you didn’t even look up the google definition, so no surprise. Is AOT niche to me? Uhhhh help us all.
JJK is more of bleach/naruto thing more yyh, but sure. “Melodramatic flashbacks”, okay. Bro watched it on memes or something. Wait till you see what yuji’s domain expansion is then lol. Or how the big three convey their flashbacks. That’s like insulting one piece flashbacks and that’s better than most of your favourites.
No, sales became stagnant even in part 2. There’s literally a chart for it…
And no publisher said a 3 parter… Bro doesn’t even know CSM changed serialisation at one point lol. It’s like I am really talking to a tourist who doesn’t know anything. And your logic of it being big three is saying AOT and Tokyo ghouls are big three since they were more popular at their times. You just lose arguments way too fast because of your tone and contradictory stand points.
Bruh said yyh is more influential than jojo… Tell me you didn’t watch jojo without telling me. And I will start to ignore your nothingburgers from now on because wow nothing but buzzwords about your opinions other than centred around influence ironically. Plus I am getting tired…
Writing that came before pain arc? Sasuke’s retrieval arc in naruto, chunin exam arc, shikmaru’s arc, Garaa’s arc. All of these are inconsistent lol. Bro go read a book. And making fun of bleach while propping up JJK and CSM is more embarrassing since Bleach as a story is more consistent and better than JJK. Arrancar arc alone is better than JJK. I am big three fan not Naruto/bleach alone btw. And your demon slayer sold better than bleach, it sold better than jjk and aot… Does that mean it is better than aot? Your logic is interesting since it has so many holes.
Niche in google: a specialised segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service. Meaning niche anime/manga is for a specific audience not with the intent to be enjoyed by all. It is niche alone by tone and also by audience. You keep showing that you are using arguments without even researching once… Then you mentioned that all of animes mentioned are targeted for teens… Yeah I bet you didn’t watch any of them atp because you would have known some of them are even adult themed. CSM btw isn’t targeted for 13-15 except if you have a very weird opinion and think perversive thoughts. So even your inaccurate range isn’t helping your case. And I didn’t say “loser mc”, I said “virgin mc desperate to have a girlfriend and do something specific in mind”… You really are trying to show a misinterpretation and spread it. Aghhh it’s like my brain will lose IQ within this conversation if I keep seeing contradictory things in same comment. Atleast try to contradict yourself in a different one like bruh. “Dark trio” was never a thing until MAPPA acquired them, again you can keep trying to say otherwise but a simple search shows otherwise.
Tokyo ghouls is a mid manga… My brother… Bruh… You are literally insulting CSM by saying that lol. Also it’s not niche? Well we did deduce that you didn’t even look up the google definition, so no surprise. Is AOT niche to me? Uhhhh help us all.
JJK is more of bleach/naruto thing more yyh, but sure. “Melodramatic flashbacks”, okay. Bro watched it on memes or something. Wait till you see what yuji’s domain expansion is then lol. Or how the big three convey their flashbacks. That’s like insulting one piece flashbacks and that’s better than most of your favourites.
No, sales became stagnant even in part 2. There’s literally a chart for it…
And no publisher said a 3 parter… Bro doesn’t even know CSM changed serialisation at one point lol. It’s like I am really talking to a tourist who doesn’t know anything. And your logic of it being big three is saying AOT and Tokyo ghouls are big three since they were more popular at their times. You just lose arguments way too fast because of your tone and contradictory stand points.
Bruh said yyh is more influential than jojo… Tell me you didn’t watch jojo without telling me. And I will start to ignore your nothingburgers from now on because wow nothing but buzzwords about your opinions other than centred around influence ironically. Plus I am getting tired…
Writing that came before pain arc? Sasuke’s retrieval arc in naruto, chunin exam arc, shikmaru’s arc, Garaa’s arc. All of these are inconsistent lol. Bro go read a book. And making fun of bleach while propping up JJK and CSM is more embarrassing since Bleach as a story is more consistent and better than JJK. Arrancar arc alone is better than JJK. I am big three fan not Naruto/bleach alone btw. And your demon slayer sold better than bleach, it sold better than jjk and aot… Does that mean it is better than aot? Your logic is interesting since it has so many holes.
| @Confused_100 another wall of misinformed hogwash, let's see what you have here. "Specialized segment of the market" quite literally meaning a small and specific one. Again, ever heard of Psyren? Course not, cause that's actually "niche." Labelling a manga as globally popular as Chainsaw man niche is like saying Vinland Saga and Tokyo Ghoul are underrated - how risible. If you have to google "does niche mean smaller/less popular" or anything specific to fully grasp the idea then be my guest. "No intent of being enjoyed by all" is such a laughable non-argument since all of these Shonen titles literally bank on reaching global success. You keep saying it's not for "all audiences" as if one single genre, let alone your nostalgia trio appeals to ALL type of fans. I can tell english isn't your first language which is why you don't fully comprehend basic dictionary descriptions and come up with misinformed definitions instead. In fact, you continually take a word or two from my responses then spam it all over your replies, using them in wrong contexts. The only english word you seem particularly well-aware of is "Confused" because you are very much confused on your own nonsense. You even provided a definition that completely backed my argument so thanks for that. Yes, I can tell that youre losing IQ with the continual downgrade of vocabulary and grammar in your replies. It has been known since forever that all Shonen titles are aimed at teen boys. There's Seinen like Vinland Saga made for young adult men, [i]Shoujo[/] like Fruits Basket for teen girls, Josei like Rakugo Shinjuu for young adult women etc. Shonen is published on jump, which are manga being marketed toward teens predominantly. It might be too hard to take in that your whole taste revolve exclusively around manga made for pubescents, but it changes nothing. Shonen literally translates to "young boy" who are 13-17 year olds. Only so-called anime tourists (cringy buzzword btw) would be clueless on that. Dark Trio existed before the MAPPA anime but obviously you weren't around the manga community at that point to be knowledgeable on that. Look, nobody's saying JJK is a novel series. Demon slayer just happens to be less original than JJK and factually most popular shonen manga. Even fans of it have already moved on and accepted that. Youre not really refuting that fact by building on what I already said and taking offense on your favorite series being describe for what they are. Exactly, the manga sales became stagnant after part 1, which means during it's break and part 2. Part 2 for most of it's run also hasn't been publishing during a new anime season, which further makes sales fluctuate and stagnant. You just repeated what I said so I'll take it as a concession. Thank you. The publisher did mention a 3-part plan but it was never concrete back then. Yes, I'm aware thar CSM part 1 serialized on Jump and then part 2 on Jump+ , both from the same company btw. I'm convinced you don't even know what Jump is since you're not even aware of the basic premise that it's for teens. Loser MC is literally just a shorter version of your nonsense, and it goes for most Shonen series following the same formula "loser mc becomes strong and save the world." You keep claiming an anime filled with waifus and perverse ideas won't resonate for some reason. Guess what, we're talking about anime fans here buddy and that shit sells. Only "tourists" would be surprised on that. The fact that you're alienating 30+ million shonen manga readers as having weird and perverse thoughts is disingenuous in itself. Fans of these manga literally overlap with one another since they come from the same genre and follow the same formula. I like how your whole argument quickly devolved into 'my favorites are better than your favorites' nonsense, completely ignoring all the points you couldn't counter. Yes, Tokyo Ghoul is mid, it's not an insult to Chainsaw Man because Chainsaw Man isn't mid. Tokyo Ghoul is so laughably mid that not even someone with a Kaneki avatar remember how to spell its title correctly. You see, we can go back and forth on whether your favorites are mid or not but it wouldn't change my opinion that they are. It also wouldn't change most people's opinions here, and virtually everywhere, that Chainsaw Man is currently top 3 most popular modern Shonen title, because that's factually established by sales. Youre practically proposing another concession by trying to pull that nonsese. When did I say YYH is more influential than Jojo? Now I know it's difficult for you, so I'll make it more digestable. YYH is more influential the your Big 3. Jojo, YYH, HXH and the Shonen that came before laid the framework. That's the whole point. Thereby refuting your claim of the Big 3 being some sort of "pillar" or "saving anime." They aren't, and they did not. They're the big 3 because they were the most popular of their generation. Just like how the current generation had their own top 3 most popular. Also, need I remind you again that there are older titles even outside of shounen that deserve the influential label more? Saint Seiya? YYH? Gundam? Akira? NGE? Ever heard of those? Tell me again how your big 3 and the 10 random exceptions you mentioned like Code Geass, of all things" are any more "pillars of anime" than these titles? Neither Bleach nor Naruto was ever consistent. Everyone, even their fans, except for the notalgia-blind, knows that these series are fundamentally flawed and marred with inconsistent quality all over. Their antecedents such as JJK, CSM AND BnHA all learn from these flaws within the shonen formula and try to rectify them in their own stories - that should be common sense. When did I say Demon Slayer was better than Bleach, JJK and AOT? You are very much confused to the point that it's sad so most of these points will fly over your heard sadly. The point was Demon Slayer, JJK and BnHA are modern Shonen that sold more than, or at least close to Big Three. Which makes them the 3 most popular Shonen of their time, exactly what the Big Three was. They weren't put in that pedestal because they're narrative masterpieces or "the building blocks," they're there because they were most popular. You can literally look at my list or favorites and see where my where my personal biases are (Bleach) - meanwhile you can't even look past your personal biases and make a coherent argument that will save your case, taking honest perspectives on your nostalgia trio as "disrespectful." Funny, and just weak in general. |
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