| In terms of consistency, Gyutaro made the choice for Daki when she was unconscious and clinging to life, whereas people like Rui or Akaza were awake and aware. Now, you could argue Akaza was not completely aware of what Muzan was saying to him after slaughtering the clan, but this applies to most demons. You could say he was able to make a choice to refuse Muzan, even if he was not completely in on what saying yes would entail. He never made a choice I would argue, but in-universe this seems different than having that choice made for you. He neither made the right choice, which is then the wrong choice. He simply gave up on life and let Muzan make the choice for him, which doomed him. Akaza also willing went to hell to pay back for the lives he taken, so it could be seen as his choice to go to hell and repent. In which case, rest assure this is basically perdition/Buddhist hell, not Christian hell. If we are going to ignore Rui, Daki was basically a child prostitute when she was turned. Akaza was 18 when he was turned. |
PeripheralVisionSep 16, 11:08 PM
"Have we not eaten while another starved? Will you punish us for that? Will you reward us for the virtue of starving while others ate? No man earns punishment, no man earns reward. Free your mind of the idea of deserving, the idea of earning, and you will begin to be able to think.” |
| Who is keeping records of who is going to heaven or hell? Definitely not humans. |
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| so Akaza killed 67 people |
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Reply to alfian07
so Akaza killed 67 people
| @alfian07 its not always black/white, for example war casualties do not count as murder for the most part, in akazas case he had to kill those people to prevent the other villages from having the same fate as his father and martial arts trainer, blood payed by blood, and there is also the case of how much control muzan had in those demons that he made including the lower/upper moons, at least to some extent they were being unknowingly influenced by him in their actions, against rengoku i guess akaza was the most "immoral" he could be but it was still a duel to the death it was either him or rengoku, |
LanardeSep 17, 12:33 AM
| I can guarantee you if the studio did a heart-wrenching backstory for a certain Austrian painter you would think he would deserve to go to heaven too. Don’t fall for guilt traps |
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| Akaza may have been a victim of Muzan when he became a demon but he still done bad things as his time as a human that don’t change anything |
| @PeripheralVision My Thoughts. It's always interesting to talk about these. Such a thought Provoking Topic. He had nothing left, and although his faith in humanity was initially restored by both of them, actual demons crushed his morale and drove him insane. I'll draw a parallel here, The same thing happened in Devilman, when Taro `was killed by the Swat team,& mobs BRUTALLY, BRUTALLY decapitated Miki, & poke her head with a stick to show the world.......Akira snapped. That's what happened to Akaza. His whole world revolved around 3 people, unlike YOU AND ME. The author intentionally force us to Think what's the reason they Turned DEVILS? Is the inherited? Were they drove insane by Humans? Can they be called humans after what they did? Who's the real demon? His wrong deeds were out of necessity until he was Driven insane, more precisely, until he became a demon. But it's complex and Not Totally Valid to apply human responsibilities, or "choice" while talking about Demons, or even in case of human at such an incident, People Do Not stay mentally stable. After he turned to a Demon, He used his rage and hatred towards humans as a coping mechanism to forget his Past, hide his Broken Soul Masked by his Impenetrable skin. His Backstory was a very Flawed & Real human portrayal, who's suffering from poverty but have a will to Fight, yet the betrayal shattered him in such a way, he began to believe whatever His Love and Father taught him is never powerful enough to survive. Which Tanjiro proves him wrong, hence his hidden feelings overwhelmed him with grief. |
| WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could ( ◜‿◝ )♡ |
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Akaza may have been a victim of Muzan when he became a demon but he still done bad things as his time as a human that don’t change anything
| @Phantom_Void737 I'm not saying he deserve Heaven or hell, after becoming a demon, whatever he did isn't justified. But let's talk untill then.......cuz Many people saying he Did "Horrible" things when he was alive(human), so I just don't Get it what He did WORSE than A regular Human at this date and time. What bad thing he did as a human? Steal food from people to feed his father? He never killed or beaten anyone then. Do you think, stealing at That Situation he was in, was a bad enough to lead him to hell? Didn't he do that desperately to cure his father? Or You're referring the bad things were to punish the people.....sorry, demons who killed his remaining faith in humanity? Making a guess you're just, saying it out of your hatred for him for killing rengoku? I don't mean these in any rude way, just feel free to indulge in discussions, we're just talking, pointing out differences, alright? |
Anayan_KashyapSep 17, 1:16 PM
| WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could ( ◜‿◝ )♡ |
Reply to alfian07
so Akaza killed 67 people
| Could you justify the actions of the people belonging to the Clan? |
| WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could ( ◜‿◝ )♡ |
Reply to Anayan_Kashyap
@Phantom_Void737
I'm not saying he deserve Heaven or hell, after becoming a demon, whatever he did isn't justified.
But let's talk untill then.......cuz Many people saying he Did "Horrible" things when he was alive(human), so I just don't Get it what He did WORSE than A regular Human at this date and time.
What bad thing he did as a human? Steal food from people to feed his father?
He never killed or beaten anyone then. Do you think, stealing at That Situation he was in, was a bad enough to lead him to hell?
Didn't he do that desperately to cure his father?
Or You're referring the bad things were to punish the people.....sorry, demons who killed his remaining faith in humanity?
Making a guess you're just, saying it out of your hatred for him for killing rengoku?
I don't mean these in any rude way, just feel free to indulge in discussions, we're just talking, pointing out differences, alright?
I'm not saying he deserve Heaven or hell, after becoming a demon, whatever he did isn't justified.
But let's talk untill then.......cuz Many people saying he Did "Horrible" things when he was alive(human), so I just don't Get it what He did WORSE than A regular Human at this date and time.
What bad thing he did as a human? Steal food from people to feed his father?
He never killed or beaten anyone then. Do you think, stealing at That Situation he was in, was a bad enough to lead him to hell?
Didn't he do that desperately to cure his father?
Or You're referring the bad things were to punish the people.....sorry, demons who killed his remaining faith in humanity?
Making a guess you're just, saying it out of your hatred for him for killing rengoku?
I don't mean these in any rude way, just feel free to indulge in discussions, we're just talking, pointing out differences, alright?
| @Anayan_Kashyap Nah don't worry I get your view, funnily enough Akaza is my second favourite character in all of demon slayer only second to Kokushibo, he's on my profiles favourite list. Call me horrible but I really don't care that he killed Kyojuro. I liked Kyojuro but not enough that I'd hold a grudge against Akaza for it. Like genuinely I love Akaza he's an amazingly written character his love story and devotion to the ones he wants to protect is part of why I love him so much. But back to the whole heaven hell topic, if we exclude everything which happened post Muzan showing up yes I still believe he deserves hell. Akaza may have pickpocketed and beat up a ton of people and that in itself is bad yet that isn't the sin that would commit him to hell. What I think puts him in hell is what he does post Keizo and Koyuki's deaths taking revenge on the neighbouring dojo and killing all 67 of the students there. I understand why he done it don't get me wrong but its still murder to an extreme degree. He may have been mentally dragged through the dirt and beaten to this point but it is still murder on a very extreme level. In that moment Hakuji's reason for killing them was simply revenge, no other pure motives it was out of hatred and anger for the people who took the two he loved. That's why I believe he deserves hell. I think Daki was given a second chance because in her human days she had done some bad things like stab that one person in the eye but ultimately all of her killings came from post becoming a demon something Douma forced on her and that's why she was given a chance for redemption. |
| absolutely not. he killed people right after the father and daughter got poisoned, there's no excuse. |
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| Nigga he kiled so many people while he was a demon. He's going to the deepest pit of hell. Fu*k his back story. Fu*k all that sopera bs. |
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| So we're forgetting that his victims probably number in the hundreds? If Tanjiro knew his somber past, he'd probably burst into tears and talk about forgiveness. For me, a sad past doesn't change the fact that Akaza loved fighting and enjoyed killing. Just because he didn't kill women, for example, doesn't make him any less of a hero or villain, because I often see people praising him for how good he is to women. XD |
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absolutely not. he killed people right after the father and daughter got poisoned, there's no excuse.
| @ryzxgum [size=130]He also killed those sent to apprehend and bring him to justice. Also take note that he was stealing from fellow villagers that are most likely struggling as well. He's not exactly stealing from rich nobles so I'm not keen on him being a "good guy." [/size] |
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| Well, asking whether he deserves to go to heaven or not might be tricky. Many of us come from different cultures, with different understandings of wrongdoings, sins, redemption, and the consequences of acts committed in mortal life. Kimetsu no Yaiba is deeply rooted in Buddhism, so let's analyze Akaza by following Buddhist principles and focusing only on them, without judging it through the other cultures' and religions' lenses. His life, in general, is a clear and intentional journey through the Six Realms of Samsara. These realms are not physical places, but states of mind driven by karma. His life and death embody movement through these states. I’ll write them down, explain each through Akaza’s life, and divide them into six short paragraphs, highlighting each realm. Apologies for focusing just on short bits of information, but I'm kinda lazy and I don't think that writing a short synopsis of Akaza's life and death is necessary, when certain Realms can be explained in Akaza's context in a way shorter way, lol. Before I do it, I will just say pro forma that from what I read long ago, in Buddhism the ultimate goal is to liberate oneself from the cycle of samsara, the endless loop of birth, death, and rebirth through the Six Realms. These realms, driven by karma, represent different forms of suffering, illusion, and attachment. Liberation from this cycle leads to nirvana. What is nirvana? It's a state of awakening beyond suffering, desire, and duality. And also a famous band (sorry, I couldn't resist to include this corny joke). Okay, so let's start: 1st Realm: Animal Realm When Hakuji was a child, he lived in poverty and acted through instinct. He had to steal to survive, or to help his father survive. He didn't care much about severe and painful punishment, or tattoos branding him a thief. He acted like a desperate animal at times, so that is how his Animal Realm looks like. 2nd Realm: Hell Realm After losing Koyuki and his master, years after his father had committed suicide because of his deeds, he falls into rage and violence. This is his personal Naraka, the Hell Realm. 3rd Realm: God Realm As a demon, he’s obsessed with power and conflict, which strongly resembles pure Asura Realm energy. 4th Realm: Hungry Ghost Realm He lost his memories, which were buried and hidden dormant inside his heart. He lived a demon life craving to fill the hole left by his past. It's classic Preta Realm, so Hungry Ghost Realm. 5th Realm: Demi-god Realm Then, as an Upper Moon demon, he has power and status limited only by those who are stronger than him (so Muzan as the leader and the strongest demon, Kokushibou as UM1, and Douma as UM2), but no peace - just like the Deva Realm (Demi-god Realm). 6th Realm: Human Realm Finally, in death, he regains his human memories, feels remorse, and chooses to stop fighting - even admitting he lost fair and square, and refusing to regenerate, despite his demonic body trying so bad to do it. It's a symbol of him returning to the Human Realm, where insight is possible. This moment is very important. In that moment, he breaks the cycle. He awakens. Akaza doesn’t die a monster - he dies a man, Hakuji, who finally remembered who he was, what was important, and what he loved. For some, this might sound unconvincing. But from the point of view of Buddhist symbolism, it's a powerful redemption arc; it's made even more meaningful when you're aware of that symbolism. What may be rather clear for a Japanese audience might not be for Westerners unfamiliar with Buddhism (heck, I wouldn’t call myself an expert, even if I know a thing or two about it.) So many might miss this nuanced element of Akaza's journey. Like I highlighted before, for some, this might sound naive or… generic? Just another sad villain death with an emotional backstory. But from a Buddhist-symbolic perspective, Akaza’s arc is deeply redemptive. And that redemption doesn’t come from being forgiven by others. Instead, it comes through his own awareness, realization, and choice to let go. |
AdnashSep 20, 1:12 AM
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