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Oct 12, 2024 4:20 PM

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In most anime demons and angels are no different from humans apart from magical powers so it doesn't really matter. I'll still go with angels though since demons in some anime can actually be scary.
Go read Berserk and One Piece they're the best thing ever
Oct 14, 2024 7:39 AM
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Where have you got this ideas from? Sex was NOT considered a sin, and it was not taboo. People were encouraged to have big families and did so.
That's a bunch of post-modern/atheist BS spat by people who have never read history or learned it from TikTok.
The thing medievals were the most frightened of was death. Disease and death, and they were fearful of eternal damnation (an eternal life of disease and deformity) They did not believe sex would lead to damnation, it's total horseshit. Medieval fashion and customs were much too nice to suggest they were a bunch of Maoist revolutionaries wearing black pajamas where men and women are not to be told apart... oh what age do those people come from? The 20th century.
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Not my ideas but history. Books.
I wish I were a TikToker but no, and I'm quite old for that.
6th Commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
9th Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."
These are not just simple pieces of advice.. they are two of the ten commandments, very serious offenses, mortal sins that open the gates of hell for eternal damnation if one does not truly repent.
Lust is one of the seven deadly sins.
If a woman committed these sins, she risked repudiation, exile, and even death.
The Lateran Council established that all the vicars of God could not have sex or marry: priests, friars, cardinals, bishops, the pope, deacons, monks, and then nuns and sisters. This was one of the most important reasons for the split with the Lateran pacts and the Protestant Reformation.
In the early centuries after Christ, monasteries were mixed male and female, but this changed after the discovery of actual graveyards of infants. This issue continued through the centuries, for example, with the Irish Magdalene Laundries, where disenfranchised girls ended up for the usual reasons: prostitution, rape, and sex outside of marriage. Many of them were pregnant and underwent numerous abortions; for their immoral conduct, they were often treated as true slaves, and their lives did not matter much.
The sexual act was strictly allowed only for the purpose of procreation within a marriage blessed by God.
Wealthy families often had the bride's hymen checked to ensure it was still intact.
Chastity belts were very common.
During the Inquisition, one risked being accused and punished for adultery and immoral conduct in general; even just for masturbation, one risked being interrogated, tortured, and pressured to confess falsehoods.
For example, Mary of Brabant was accused by her husband of adultery, along with alleged satanic practices and witchcraft; she was killed.
During interrogations they used tools such as the "breast ripper". Such cases occurred by the hundreds. It was generally believed that sexual desire was far from a miracle of God and life but rather a manifestation of the demon, of lust. All this control only created repression and further depravity that led to delirium and hysteria, hysteria was the illness of that time. The Church decided how and when it was appropriate to have sex, even stating that the only correct position was missionary, while all others were sinful. The Kamasutra arrived very late in Europe, around the 19th century, and was immediately condemned by the Church and censored or banned. Rape, on the other hand, was not seen as that serious; rather, it was often minimized, and victims were blamed for provoking it, perhaps by behaving in certain ways or dressing in certain clothes.
So sexually appreciating an angel would have meant burning at the stake for heresy or blasphemy, but also a demon for that matter because it meant being a follower of Lucifer. The church had the templars massacred by spreading false rumors that they worshipped an androgynous god "the baphomet" the goat god, Satan. During the witch hunt if you hated someone whether it was a queen, a templar or your neighbor you could say he/she was having orgies and his life and honor were at an end.
Oct 14, 2024 1:03 PM

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@SuperAdventure
Not my ideas but history. Books.
I wish I were a TikToker but no, and I'm quite old for that.
6th Commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
9th Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."
These are not just simple pieces of advice.. they are two of the ten commandments, very serious offenses, mortal sins that open the gates of hell for eternal damnation if one does not truly repent.
Lust is one of the seven deadly sins.
If a woman committed these sins, she risked repudiation, exile, and even death.
The Lateran Council established that all the vicars of God could not have sex or marry: priests, friars, cardinals, bishops, the pope, deacons, monks, and then nuns and sisters. This was one of the most important reasons for the split with the Lateran pacts and the Protestant Reformation.
In the early centuries after Christ, monasteries were mixed male and female, but this changed after the discovery of actual graveyards of infants. This issue continued through the centuries, for example, with the Irish Magdalene Laundries, where disenfranchised girls ended up for the usual reasons: prostitution, rape, and sex outside of marriage. Many of them were pregnant and underwent numerous abortions; for their immoral conduct, they were often treated as true slaves, and their lives did not matter much.
The sexual act was strictly allowed only for the purpose of procreation within a marriage blessed by God.
Wealthy families often had the bride's hymen checked to ensure it was still intact.
Chastity belts were very common.
During the Inquisition, one risked being accused and punished for adultery and immoral conduct in general; even just for masturbation, one risked being interrogated, tortured, and pressured to confess falsehoods.
For example, Mary of Brabant was accused by her husband of adultery, along with alleged satanic practices and witchcraft; she was killed.
During interrogations they used tools such as the "breast ripper". Such cases occurred by the hundreds. It was generally believed that sexual desire was far from a miracle of God and life but rather a manifestation of the demon, of lust. All this control only created repression and further depravity that led to delirium and hysteria, hysteria was the illness of that time. The Church decided how and when it was appropriate to have sex, even stating that the only correct position was missionary, while all others were sinful. The Kamasutra arrived very late in Europe, around the 19th century, and was immediately condemned by the Church and censored or banned. Rape, on the other hand, was not seen as that serious; rather, it was often minimized, and victims were blamed for provoking it, perhaps by behaving in certain ways or dressing in certain clothes.
So sexually appreciating an angel would have meant burning at the stake for heresy or blasphemy, but also a demon for that matter because it meant being a follower of Lucifer. The church had the templars massacred by spreading false rumors that they worshipped an androgynous god "the baphomet" the goat god, Satan. During the witch hunt if you hated someone whether it was a queen, a templar or your neighbor you could say he/she was having orgies and his life and honor were at an end.
Hikinekomori said:
Not my ideas but history. Books.


If you've read books that's great- I'm an avid history reader, please share with me your titles that gave you this view of the medievalists saying all sex is a sin- but only the ones you've read.

You're listing commandments from the Bible- neither of those are from the Middle Ages, and neither say that sex is a sin. They say cheating on your partner is a sin.... you cannot conflate all sexual relations with cheating on one's partner that's absurd.
Most everything else you're pasting in here has to do with adultery or things not directly related.

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Oct 14, 2024 10:06 PM
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Hikinekomori said:
Not my ideas but history. Books.


If you've read books that's great- I'm an avid history reader, please share with me your titles that gave you this view of the medievalists saying all sex is a sin- but only the ones you've read.

You're listing commandments from the Bible- neither of those are from the Middle Ages, and neither say that sex is a sin. They say cheating on your partner is a sin.... you cannot conflate all sexual relations with cheating on one's partner that's absurd.
Most everything else you're pasting in here has to do with adultery or things not directly related.

@SuperAdventure What you ask makes no sense is public knowledge, it's like asking me what book I read that talks about the "fig-leaf campaign" there are hundreds of thousands of historical documents, artistic and literary works, manuscripts, just like the decrees of the Council of Trent, historical documents that have been collected and transcribed and passed down and preserved until today that we can summarize in "history"
it seems that the idea is passed that sexual life was like that of Games of Thrones when it was hell, marriage could be annulled if a woman was not fertile and that she fell into disgrace because a woman who did not give birth to children was completely useless her role was only that one basically. The honor killings if you did just disrespect your partner in bed, women but also men did not even decide their partners their parents chose them and in particular the father, a horrible married life, no joy in having sex with a partner you do not love and have not chosen. Many conceptions were the result of marital rape. But this is not the point.
Nudity was exploited as a form of punishment, of shame, the church also controlled artistic works to modify and destroy and censor all those forms of expression of the nude deemed too "risqué", they could ruin the life of an artist even very talented if he did not adopt their aesthetic canons.
Going against the Holy Office or the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith was serious trouble.
But if you argue that sex in medieval Catholic Europe was celebrated, free, encouraged, not a sin I don't know what to say, good for you.
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I love succubi designs, so I might vote for demon here.

Succubi characters are a bit underrated.
Mar 10, 8:26 AM

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Both are good [still Demon guys overpopulate Angel one's]


[โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฎโ€‹โœโ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฒโ€‹ โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฆโ€‹ โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ตโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ทโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ดโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ซโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ชโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ธโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ธโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฎโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ดโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ณโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฆโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฑโ€‹ โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ญโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡บโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ธโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡งโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฆโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ณโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฉโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ดโ€‹ โ€‹๐Ÿ‡จโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ดโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฑโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ฑโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ชโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡จโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡นโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ดโ€‹โ€‹๐Ÿ‡ทโ€‹]
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Both angels and demons suck. None of them are any good in reality.
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Mar 10, 10:49 AM

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Demons, I find angels rather boring.
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Have to side with Demons here........
Mar 10, 11:42 AM

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Demons. Corrupt angels are great as well.
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@DesuMaiden Nice picture. Thank you for sharing.
Jun 14, 12:39 AM
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"Angels or Demon girls? "

Demon girls

๐’ฉ๐‘’๐‘œ-๐’ฑ๐‘’๐“ƒ๐‘’๐“๐’พ๐’ถ ๐’พ๐“ˆ๐“ƒ’๐“‰ ๐’ฟ๐“Š๐“ˆ๐“‰ ๐’ถ ๐“…๐“๐’ถ๐’ธ๐‘’~ ๐ผ๐“‰’๐“ˆ ๐’ถ ๐’ป๐‘’๐‘’๐“๐’พ๐“ƒ๐‘” ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š ๐’ธ๐’ถ๐“‡๐“‡๐“Ž ๐“Œ๐’พ๐“‰๐’ฝ ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š

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Probably angels,i like their design and personality more most of the time
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https://myanimelist.net/character/50389/Rias_Gremory

๐’ฉ๐‘’๐‘œ-๐’ฑ๐‘’๐“ƒ๐‘’๐“๐’พ๐’ถ ๐’พ๐“ˆ๐“ƒ’๐“‰ ๐’ฟ๐“Š๐“ˆ๐“‰ ๐’ถ ๐“…๐“๐’ถ๐’ธ๐‘’~ ๐ผ๐“‰’๐“ˆ ๐’ถ ๐’ป๐‘’๐‘’๐“๐’พ๐“ƒ๐‘” ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š ๐’ธ๐’ถ๐“‡๐“‡๐“Ž ๐“Œ๐’พ๐“‰๐’ฝ ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š

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Panty and Stocking are the bestest angels, by far
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In the context of anime/manga 100% angels. Berserk demons unfortunately are not cute anime girls.

Oops I forgot I replied to this already.
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Go read Berserk and One Piece they're the best thing ever
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Panty and Stocking are the bestest angels, by far
@joemaamah One of those was actually a demon in disguise at the end of the 1st Season.
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@joemaamah One of those was actually a demon in disguise at the end of the 1st Season.
@Sheol01 True so we cover all the bases. LOL
Although the way that whole scene played out was very sketchy. Maybe now, after so many years, we'll get that continuation we've all been craving and find out Stocking is actually a double agent. Besides, with that magical girl transformation, how can she not be an angel? Or at least she will forever be in my eyes ๐Ÿ‘€
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I believe My jab about Angels being pretentious and jugaad culture icons of the heavens is Brutally accurate. They patch over moral injustice and inconveniences with a halo and a shrug.

Demons aren’t evil in the traditional sense, I am in the opinion that they’re misaligned, in the wrong place or out of place, and stand by their commentaries on how evil, unfair and hypocritical the human world is.
They stumble through dating apps and get scammed , they get victimized by root of all evil capitalism, and if they are seen breaking vending machines, it's vending machines stole their money without couching out the snacks and drinks and the act is out of principle.

Meanwhile, anime angels are like government bureaucrats but from a celestial HR department. All white robes, hiding behind gentle smiles, and a frustrating tendency to let it slide and give Rupedos Grayrat unlimited powers.
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I believe My jab about Angels being pretentious and jugaad culture icons of the heavens is Brutally accurate. They patch over moral injustice and inconveniences with a halo and a shrug.

Demons aren’t evil in the traditional sense, I am in the opinion that they’re misaligned, in the wrong place or out of place, and stand by their commentaries on how evil, unfair and hypocritical the human world is.
They stumble through dating apps and get scammed , they get victimized by root of all evil capitalism, and if they are seen breaking vending machines, it's vending machines stole their money without couching out the snacks and drinks and the act is out of principle.

Meanwhile, anime angels are like government bureaucrats but from a celestial HR department. All white robes, hiding behind gentle smiles, and a frustrating tendency to let it slide and give Rupedos Grayrat unlimited powers.
@RainyEvenings Thanks for your interesting analysis. :)
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in terms of character design demons>>>>angels because angels are more or less copypasta while demons have very unique designs, some have curved horns others have pointy, tail variations wings are optional. more colour variations etcetera.

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I believe My jab about Angels being pretentious and jugaad culture icons of the heavens is Brutally accurate. They patch over moral injustice and inconveniences with a halo and a shrug.

Demons aren’t evil in the traditional sense, I am in the opinion that they’re misaligned, in the wrong place or out of place, and stand by their commentaries on how evil, unfair and hypocritical the human world is.
They stumble through dating apps and get scammed , they get victimized by root of all evil capitalism, and if they are seen breaking vending machines, it's vending machines stole their money without couching out the snacks and drinks and the act is out of principle.

Meanwhile, anime angels are like government bureaucrats but from a celestial HR department. All white robes, hiding behind gentle smiles, and a frustrating tendency to let it slide and give Rupedos Grayrat unlimited powers.
@RainyEvenings Oh Lord, the last thing I needed to see in this thread is communist nonsense. No where did that work. Even China's economy is more Capitalist than it's Leadership. But oh well, so many Zoomers never lived REAL history or witnessed the many mass graves other systems of economic/political thought gave us in the 20th Century.
Anyway, Demon girls rock. And I do agree with you, angel girls are too much about conformity. LOL
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Angels, they are so cute and kind!!!
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Angels, they are so cute and kind!!!
@Memore Man, I've seen plenty of Anime' where angels are anything BUT cute & kind. A recent Rom Com had an Angel who had siblings that made any Anime' demon seem downright sympathetic. In fact, a demon had to help save her from the abuse.
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FBI agents are both the angels and demons because everyone online could be FBI.
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