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Story-wise, Does this have anything to do with the 1979’s “Kidou Senshi Gundam” anime?

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Sep 13, 2024 10:35 PM
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Just wondering if there is any prior knowledge of the plot that I’ll need going into this.
Sep 13, 2024 10:40 PM
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Knowing about the main events and who the EFF and Zeon are would help, though I assume they'll have TLDR at the start of the series like most side series have had.
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Sep 16, 2024 8:55 AM
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OneAntisocialGuy said:
Just wondering if there is any prior knowledge of the plot that I’ll need going into this.

from What has been revealed so Far, no, The only true connnections with the original series so far is that a character in the trailer says "Gundam?, I already heard stories about It" he is likely talking about the original RX-78-2 Gundam which was known as the "White Devil"
Oct 11, 2024 4:53 PM
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i don't know, i'm only watching this because i absolutely adore real-shaded 3D anime, not because i like mechs or gundam (i don't like either anyway).
Oct 17, 2024 1:02 AM
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Only connected via they both take place during the "One Year War" in the Universal Century.
Oct 17, 2024 4:50 AM
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Yes, you really need to watch the original show to get this one or I'm not sure you'd get it. This series more than a lot of the other ones is very much based around having watched the original. I think you should watch Gundam 0079, Gundam 08th MS team and Gundam War in the Pocket first (these two are OVAs so not a big time investment), and then if you like this try out Gundam IGLOO because its also a 3DCGI Zeon OVA.
Oct 17, 2024 11:37 AM
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Yes, you really need to watch the original show to get this one or I'm not sure you'd get it. This series more than a lot of the other ones is very much based around having watched the original. I think you should watch Gundam 0079, Gundam 08th MS team and Gundam War in the Pocket first (these two are OVAs so not a big time investment), and then if you like this try out Gundam IGLOO because its also a 3DCGI Zeon OVA.
@Sonwig ah, I see. In other words it's not worth me wasting my time watching it since I have to watch other mediocre shows to get it. Thanks for the warning.
Oct 17, 2024 3:33 PM
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robertino129 said:
I see. In other words it's not worth me wasting my time watching it since I have to watch other mediocre shows to get it.

Actually what @Sonwig stated is an opinion. Personally I think one can understand the dynamics of the characters even without the context...it's a futuristic warfare with somehow WWII aesthetics, And Gundam 08th MS team and Gundam War in the Pocket are even unnecessary here.
Also a faster UC Gundam introduction can be done by simply watching Gundam: The Origin (it was two version 6 episode OVA and 13 episode TV) which explains well who Zeon and EF are.

And last, but not least, I disagree on "mediocre". From this list as witting it's Requiem for Vengeance which is the most mediocre one...has some nice mechanical porn tho.

Oct 17, 2024 8:34 PM
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robertino129 said:
I see. In other words it's not worth me wasting my time watching it since I have to watch other mediocre shows to get it.

Actually what @Sonwig stated is an opinion. Personally I think one can understand the dynamics of the characters even without the context...it's a futuristic warfare with somehow WWII aesthetics, And Gundam 08th MS team and Gundam War in the Pocket are even unnecessary here.
Also a faster UC Gundam introduction can be done by simply watching Gundam: The Origin (it was two version 6 episode OVA and 13 episode TV) which explains well who Zeon and EF are.

And last, but not least, I disagree on "mediocre". From this list as witting it's Requiem for Vengeance which is the most mediocre one...has some nice mechanical porn tho.

@alshu compared to the cinematographic masterpiece that was hathaways flash and the all round amazing gundam IBO (which was what aldnoah zero should have been if they kept the same director of the first 3 episodes), they are far below. Most gundam series are average to mediocre compared to them, with silly light shows and lazy animations that cover up the screen with silly senseless explosions. All of these causing combat sequences to hold little weight.

The grinding and weight of the combat caused by the metal bending sound effects, backed up by more expensive animations of actual damaged mechs that don't blow up at the slightest tremble, is a lost art to most shows in the franchise. Not to mention the weak dynamics between the protagonist and antagonist, with the latter usually being a caricature of the concept. As such, I disagree with your disagree, they are mediocre.

Ultimately, this just seems like a show similar to Yakitori in both animation and production quality, which was amusing since you didn't need any homework to get into that show and enjoy it. If this does require any homework, it's not worth the time.
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robertino129 said:
I see. In other words it's not worth me wasting my time watching it since I have to watch other mediocre shows to get it.

Actually what @Sonwig stated is an opinion. Personally I think one can understand the dynamics of the characters even without the context...it's a futuristic warfare with somehow WWII aesthetics, And Gundam 08th MS team and Gundam War in the Pocket are even unnecessary here.
Also a faster UC Gundam introduction can be done by simply watching Gundam: The Origin (it was two version 6 episode OVA and 13 episode TV) which explains well who Zeon and EF are.

And last, but not least, I disagree on "mediocre". From this list as witting it's Requiem for Vengeance which is the most mediocre one...has some nice mechanical porn tho.

@alshu Why I think you absolutely have to watch 0079 beforehand is because this show is not just set in the One Year War but is from the perspective of the Zeon soldiers Amoru fights over the series. Their actions over the series are literally what the Zeons do in 0079 but just from their perspective, so like newtype powers and understanding people over the battlefield which is badly explained in this show, a skilled foe the gundam has to fight over and over again with the gundam killing more of their team as time goes on, the Zeon infiltrating a federation base to steal their mobile suits, the very idea of a 'gundam pilot' character who doesn't need to be exposed much in this show because you are meant to already know what character he is (Hathaway does a similar thing). In general its a love letter to the first series in particular, the pacing of battles is similar to the original and even the battle music during some episodes sounds like remixes of 0079 music. The people making this were clearly very passionate about 0079 mecha designs (and the Zaku tank which is MSV I guess). It's a spinoff of 0079 and not something just set in the Gundam universe. Thunderbolt, 08th MS team and War in the Pocket are all a lot more standalone than this is. Even IGLOO is more standalone.
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@alshu compared to the cinematographic masterpiece that was hathaways flash and the all round amazing gundam IBO (which was what aldnoah zero should have been if they kept the same director of the first 3 episodes), they are far below. Most gundam series are average to mediocre compared to them, with silly light shows and lazy animations that cover up the screen with silly senseless explosions. All of these causing combat sequences to hold little weight.

The grinding and weight of the combat caused by the metal bending sound effects, backed up by more expensive animations of actual damaged mechs that don't blow up at the slightest tremble, is a lost art to most shows in the franchise. Not to mention the weak dynamics between the protagonist and antagonist, with the latter usually being a caricature of the concept. As such, I disagree with your disagree, they are mediocre.

Ultimately, this just seems like a show similar to Yakitori in both animation and production quality, which was amusing since you didn't need any homework to get into that show and enjoy it. If this does require any homework, it's not worth the time.
@robertino129 You haven't even watched the original shows! How can you complain about something you never even watched more than an episode of. You're just talking out of your arse. Gundam 0079 is the best anime ever made. At the time it was made it was the most grounded and realistic mecha show on top of having the best designs and the best animation by far in the genre. Many of the action scenes still hold up and even in the ones that don't the narrative tension remains. And 'weak dynamics between the protagonist and antagonist'?? This is the opposite of what Gundam is known for! IDK what shitty video essay you got your opinions on, but how about you do your own homework and watch the 0079 TV series (or movies if your lazy) so you can maybe start to appreciate good anime.
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the cinematographic masterpiece that was hathaways flash

So you watched Gundam: Senkou no Hathaway without context? I must say you missed a lot. Requiem for Vengeance is easier to understand (not sure if it's a show for you tho, I only liked the mechanical porn in it).

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all round amazing gundam IBO (which was what aldnoah zero should have been if they kept the same director of the first 3 episodes)

To be fair I think neither IBO (ewww, Marri Okada and her soap operatics) or Aldnoa.Zero are well written.

robertino129 said:
they are far below

How about Gundam:The Origin, Gundam Thunderbolt and Gundam Unicorn?

robertino129 said:
like a show similar to Yakitori in both animation and production quality, which was amusing since you didn't need any homework to get into that show and enjoy it. If this does require any homework, it's not worth the time.

Said the person who watched Senkou no Hathaway without context mainly for its visuals. That's like your approach to begin with - going to school without doing your homework.



Sonwig said:
you absolutely have to watch 0079 beforehand

Gundam: The Origin can totaly do this job alone, also it has Zeon POVs too.

Sonwig said:
which is badly explained in this show

They are only teasing those here.

Sonwig said:
In general its a love letter to the first series in particular

I disagree, also the main writer kind of doesn't get Gundam and I guess the rest of the writers room filled the lore details for them.

Sonwig said:
The people making this were clearly very passionate about 0079 mecha designs

You can't have other designs for the regular warfare at this point tho.

Sonwig said:
...War in the Pocket are all a lot more standalone than this is. Even IGLOO is more standalone.

No. Both of those would be baffling for a person not familiar with UC.
Oct 17, 2024 11:51 PM
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This is definitely in the later half of UC79 after white base had taken off into space. I’m think this is takes place around ep 20-27 of Gundam.
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@alshu compared to the cinematographic masterpiece that was hathaways flash and the all round amazing gundam IBO (which was what aldnoah zero should have been if they kept the same director of the first 3 episodes), they are far below. Most gundam series are average to mediocre compared to them, with silly light shows and lazy animations that cover up the screen with silly senseless explosions. All of these causing combat sequences to hold little weight.

The grinding and weight of the combat caused by the metal bending sound effects, backed up by more expensive animations of actual damaged mechs that don't blow up at the slightest tremble, is a lost art to most shows in the franchise. Not to mention the weak dynamics between the protagonist and antagonist, with the latter usually being a caricature of the concept. As such, I disagree with your disagree, they are mediocre.

Ultimately, this just seems like a show similar to Yakitori in both animation and production quality, which was amusing since you didn't need any homework to get into that show and enjoy it. If this does require any homework, it's not worth the time.
@robertino129 of course you're an IBO fan
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@robertino129 You haven't even watched the original shows! How can you complain about something you never even watched more than an episode of. You're just talking out of your arse. Gundam 0079 is the best anime ever made. At the time it was made it was the most grounded and realistic mecha show on top of having the best designs and the best animation by far in the genre. Many of the action scenes still hold up and even in the ones that don't the narrative tension remains. And 'weak dynamics between the protagonist and antagonist'?? This is the opposite of what Gundam is known for! IDK what shitty video essay you got your opinions on, but how about you do your own homework and watch the 0079 TV series (or movies if your lazy) so you can maybe start to appreciate good anime.
@Sonwig What an inane opinion, I don't need to watch a show to know it's bad. It clearly fails minimum standards in the very first fight scene, where the mech explodes for no reason whatsoever after simply being cut in half just because they wanted to impress children with the light shows. You fail at even being reasonable, best show ever made, that actually caused me to laugh, an unreasonable statement made out of pure nostalgia. Don't waste my time when you're clearly incapable of even reading my comment and meeting my minimum standards with your recommendations. Also, anyone with an education knows it's you're, not your.


To be fair I think neither IBO (ewww, Marri Okada and her soap operatics) or Aldnoa.Zero are well written.


@alshu Wrong on the first one and correct on the second one (past episode 4). Both provable by their ranking on mal, with IBO being the 2nd best rated gundam show in history, while aldnoah is mediocre at best. What you're saying is also nonsensical, it's written in the style of a greek tragedy, not as a soap opera.

How about Gundam:The Origin, Gundam Thunderbolt and Gundam Unicorn?


Gudam:the origin looks like a less political legend of the galactic heroes, with less light show vomit than what gundam zero was. It actually looks good and I've added it to my backlog.
Thunderbolt, first video found titled "best battle scenes", you've got a mech getting his head blown off then exploding for no reason other than to cater to little children. Atrocious logic, unintelligent combat choreography.
Gundam Unicorn looks like it may be good, thought it definitively doesn't win any awards when it comes to the OST. The sound effects are a bit too gamey and it lacks the heavy metal feel of IBO and what mech battles should feel like. I'll give it a try later, as long as the bad sound effects are its only flaws, it should be a decent show.

Said the person who watched Senkou no Hathaway without context mainly for its visuals.

You gundam fans do seem to be severely lacking in many departments if you think someone watching a show "without context" does it mainly for its visuals. Must have been too used to mediocrity to not even realize that a good movie can stand on its own, being able to outline the characters and their relationships through theatrics rather than previous season long expositions. There is nothing in hathaway's flash that needed previous knowledge to be understood. I guess it's true that westerner media literacy is falling off.

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@Sonwig What an inane opinion, I don't need to watch a show to know it's bad. It clearly fails minimum standards in the very first fight scene, where the mech explodes for no reason whatsoever after simply being cut in half just because they wanted to impress children with the light shows. You fail at even being reasonable, best show ever made, that actually caused me to laugh, an unreasonable statement made out of pure nostalgia. Don't waste my time when you're clearly incapable of even reading my comment and meeting my minimum standards with your recommendations. Also, anyone with an education knows it's you're, not your.


To be fair I think neither IBO (ewww, Marri Okada and her soap operatics) or Aldnoa.Zero are well written.


@alshu Wrong on the first one and correct on the second one (past episode 4). Both provable by their ranking on mal, with IBO being the 2nd best rated gundam show in history, while aldnoah is mediocre at best. What you're saying is also nonsensical, it's written in the style of a greek tragedy, not as a soap opera.

How about Gundam:The Origin, Gundam Thunderbolt and Gundam Unicorn?


Gudam:the origin looks like a less political legend of the galactic heroes, with less light show vomit than what gundam zero was. It actually looks good and I've added it to my backlog.
Thunderbolt, first video found titled "best battle scenes", you've got a mech getting his head blown off then exploding for no reason other than to cater to little children. Atrocious logic, unintelligent combat choreography.
Gundam Unicorn looks like it may be good, thought it definitively doesn't win any awards when it comes to the OST. The sound effects are a bit too gamey and it lacks the heavy metal feel of IBO and what mech battles should feel like. I'll give it a try later, as long as the bad sound effects are its only flaws, it should be a decent show.

Said the person who watched Senkou no Hathaway without context mainly for its visuals.

You gundam fans do seem to be severely lacking in many departments if you think someone watching a show "without context" does it mainly for its visuals. Must have been too used to mediocrity to not even realize that a good movie can stand on its own, being able to outline the characters and their relationships through theatrics rather than previous season long expositions. There is nothing in hathaway's flash that needed previous knowledge to be understood. I guess it's true that westerner media literacy is falling off.

@Snuffleskin
Yes, the best kind of gundam fan. The type that isn't one at all.


robertino129 said:
You gundam fans do seem to be severely lacking in many departments if you think someone watching a show "without context" does it mainly for its visuals. Must have been too used to mediocrity to not even realize that a good movie can stand on its own, being able to outline the characters and their relationships through theatrics rather than previous season long expositions. There is nothing in hathaway's flash that needed previous knowledge to be understood. I guess it's true that westerner media literacy is falling off.

Hathaway's flash can stand on its own as pretty good, but what makes it great is the context, it's like watching a season 2 or a sequel, technically you get most of the things, but the impact is lesser
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Both provable by their ranking on mal, with IBO being the 2nd best rated gundam show in historyl

This only proves that nowadays the people on MAL like melodrama and soap opera more than anything else.
Another example would be Code Geass which. also has high score and it's bunch of tropes taken from Gundam + extra melodrama + pointless twists for the sake of it.

What is the next "masterpice" you would praise for "good writing", 86?


robertino129 said:
What you're saying is also nonsensical, it's written in the style of a greek tragedyl

It's written in the style of soap opera what Mari Okada was doing in live action TV, before switching to anime.


robertino129 said:
you've got a mech getting his head blown off then exploding for no reason other than to cater to little children

Said video is a compilation, of course it wouldn't make sense without the context...how childish of you to assume stuff.
Go and actually watch it, it's relatively short.
Like hate it I don't mind, but hate it for actual reasons, not out of prejudice or out of spite.

Or the other proper option would be to skip it, but not trash it on automatic.


robertino129 said:
doesn't win any awards when it comes to the OST

I mean, you haven't watched it, how do you know that in advance? From the random tunes in the trailer?


robertino129 said:
the bad sound effects

And you know about those only from the trailers?


robertino129 said:
tYou gundam fans do seem to be severely lacking in many departments

Polite, aren't we?


robertino129 said:
tif you think someone watching a show "without context" does it mainly for its visuals

I didn't say exactly that. My point was that it was you who decided to watch it without context and eventually missed a lot aside of the visuals and the things happening on the screen.
It was you who assumed that we are watching the franchise mainly for the visuals.


robertino129 said:
Must have been too used to mediocrity

Peak politeness.


robertino129 said:
not even realize that a good movie can stand on its own

I mean, not much happened in the movie, mostly character and setting introductions, than a fetch quest which kind of failed. We got only teased for the things to come in a trilogy...which right now is not happening?
For me the best part was how it fitted the timeline (which cannot be said for Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance).


robertino129 said:
There is nothing in hathaway's flash that needed previous knowledge to be understood.

Yes, the events in it were understandable, but you missed 60% of the content and especially the character of Hathaway. He is really really cool, right?


robertino129 said:
I guess it's true that westerner media literacy is falling off.

Keep this line of politeness and I will respect your opinion in the same way.
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@Sonwig What an inane opinion, I don't need to watch a show to know it's bad. It clearly fails minimum standards in the very first fight scene, where the mech explodes for no reason whatsoever after simply being cut in half just because they wanted to impress children with the light shows. You fail at even being reasonable, best show ever made, that actually caused me to laugh, an unreasonable statement made out of pure nostalgia. Don't waste my time when you're clearly incapable of even reading my comment and meeting my minimum standards with your recommendations. Also, anyone with an education knows it's you're, not your.


To be fair I think neither IBO (ewww, Marri Okada and her soap operatics) or Aldnoa.Zero are well written.


@alshu Wrong on the first one and correct on the second one (past episode 4). Both provable by their ranking on mal, with IBO being the 2nd best rated gundam show in history, while aldnoah is mediocre at best. What you're saying is also nonsensical, it's written in the style of a greek tragedy, not as a soap opera.

How about Gundam:The Origin, Gundam Thunderbolt and Gundam Unicorn?


Gudam:the origin looks like a less political legend of the galactic heroes, with less light show vomit than what gundam zero was. It actually looks good and I've added it to my backlog.
Thunderbolt, first video found titled "best battle scenes", you've got a mech getting his head blown off then exploding for no reason other than to cater to little children. Atrocious logic, unintelligent combat choreography.
Gundam Unicorn looks like it may be good, thought it definitively doesn't win any awards when it comes to the OST. The sound effects are a bit too gamey and it lacks the heavy metal feel of IBO and what mech battles should feel like. I'll give it a try later, as long as the bad sound effects are its only flaws, it should be a decent show.

Said the person who watched Senkou no Hathaway without context mainly for its visuals.

You gundam fans do seem to be severely lacking in many departments if you think someone watching a show "without context" does it mainly for its visuals. Must have been too used to mediocrity to not even realize that a good movie can stand on its own, being able to outline the characters and their relationships through theatrics rather than previous season long expositions. There is nothing in hathaway's flash that needed previous knowledge to be understood. I guess it's true that westerner media literacy is falling off.

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@robertino129 I don't think you have room to talk about media literacy when said media you cape for is abysmal dogshit while dismissing the original works of Yoshiyuki Tomino, and no using MAL scores is not a good litmus for quality when the best Gundam show has a 7.77 on here.
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@robertino129 I don't think you have room to talk about media literacy when said media you cape for is abysmal dogshit while dismissing the original works of Yoshiyuki Tomino, and no using MAL scores is not a good litmus for quality when the best Gundam show has a 7.77 on here.
@Snuffleskin MAL scores for gundam are very bad, I am a big fan of WFM but there is no excuse for it to be higher than moat of, if not all of Tomino's works is baffling
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@Snuffleskin MAL scores for gundam are very bad, I am a big fan of WFM but there is no excuse for it to be higher than moat of, if not all of Tomino's works is baffling
@Guilmon1 Let's play by his rules. Objectively speaking, a One Piece celebration short is better than Steins Gate, all of LOGH, Monster, and Cowboy Bebop because it has a higher MAL score. This makes sense; this is a good line of argument, yes.

Weird guy all around. Thinks Thunderbolt is aimed at children (what?), dismissing the older shows because apparently, they tried to impress kids without considering the actual stories they told with nuance. If you want to go down that route IBO was most definitely meant to appeal to children because of the fight choreography, not to even mention it is absolutely made to cater to the shonen demographic, moreso than any other Gundam, and that's all I need to dismiss the series (ignoring the nonsensical plot, uninteresting characters, and absolute boredom I felt watching it).

Overall he seems like someone who gets so bogged down in mechanical detail that he cannot even try to comprehend the artistic intent of "why" something is done the way it is, he immediately leaps to dismissing it entirely and considering it "objectively trash", profoundly anti-art. The type of person who can't get through Casablanca but sings the merits of Marvel movies.
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Just to answer OP since I've finished it a while ago, this one's actually a good introduction for newbies.
No prior knowledge needed.
Kind of fast paced, but that's a given considering its length.
I think 8th MS Team is the most similar in terms of atmosphere.
Both are also from around the same era in-universe.
Beyond that, it completely capture the essence of UC Gundams, which means it might be a turn off for younger AU Gundams enjoyers.
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good introduction

Aside of coming a bit like zeonic propaganda.
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I mean yes, but Gundam, especially Universal Century, has a problem of expecting its audience to read up on the extended media, similar to Star Wars or MCU in that regard. You will loose context and gravitas of some of the events that the story builds upon. Usually the best advice to anyone getting into a franchise is to start with the original or a reboot of the original, not with a side story, as you will get what the vanilla franchise is, then you go in the different flavor variations and additions to the original flavor.
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@alshu

his only proves that nowadays the people on MAL like melodrama and soap opera more than anything else.



Nah, it just proves how much gundam fans like you lack media literacy. The fact that you don't understand the difference between a bitter sweet tragedy and "melodrama" is further proof that the simple masses use big words without understanding them. After all, google is one step too far away from you. Code geass and Gurren Lagann are clear examples of actual melodrama, with clear emphasis on sensationalism. Putting those other shows you mentioned in the same light as these two is either vastly disingenuous or simply incompetent.

Another example would be Code Geass

Which gets it high score due to the unique and genius depiction of the main character, which overshadows any character from any other mech series. Any deus ex machina used by the show is vastly overshadowed by the bright main character, who is extravagant and his mere presence on screen erases much of its other flaws. Even at his lowest, one cannot look away from the spectacle. A well deserved high grade. This is virtually the only example you have given where one would use melodramatic correctly. Too bad you embrace that same moniker for the overusage of the word in lieu of a broader vocabulary.


What is the next "masterpice" you would praise for "good writing", 86?

The small man is angry because 86 is higher ranked than the best gundam show as well? With almost a million members, putting the bitter and angry gundam fandom to shame? This just sounds like crying at this point.

Said video is a compilation, of course it wouldn't make sense without the context

No thank you, you have failed to provide a single reason why the combat choreography would include giant mechs exploding for losing a simple limb. Rather than answer in specifics you generalize because you know you don't have a leg to stand on. The second anyone sees the cheap flashy animation tricks to save on the animation budget of actual debris is the second one stops enjoying these shows. After all, the gundam fanbase is so small it's no wonder they resort to these cheap tricks to try and cater to children to broaden their audience.

I mean, you haven't watched it, how do you know that in advance? From the random tunes in the trailer?

More disingenuity. How hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsGtpbfAyxs&t=380s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZbkLqdC_E&t=120s

The vast difference in the quality of the ost is clear for all to see. Those that are honest at least. One feels like a battle between giants whereas the other feels like I'm playing an arcade game. The OST is what differentiates wheat from the chaff. Of course, I assume you are at least informed on what an OST is comprised of in a show.


Polite, aren't we?

Said the person resorting to ad hominem attacks to a person who dares watch a series/movie "without context". Your hypocrisy is boundless.

My point was that it was you who decided to watch it without context and eventually missed a lot aside of the visuals and the things happening on the screen.


Further solidifying your hypocrisy by providing more ad hominem attacks. Not everyone is lacking in the intelligence department, boy. If you do not have the observation skills and "miss a lot", capturing only the visuals and obvious "things happening on screen", that does not mean that everyone else is also lacking.
Subtlety is not lost on me and anyone of above average intelligence when paired with media literacy and a well thought out show. In other words, no, I was not so stupid as to "miss out" on happenings simply because I was not explicitly told them.

It was you who assumed that we are watching the franchise mainly for the visuals.

Hilarious how you fail to understand even the most simplest of my comments. I said no such thing and you're only proving my "lacking in many departments" further and further. Try again interpreting my comment, maybe you'll get it right the second time. Or show your lack of imagination by doubling down like a jester.


In the end, all your comment boils down to "I'm an angry fanboy upset with the world not recognizing how awesome my favourite show is". Sit down and reflect.


@Snuffleskin
More angry fanboy drivel. "YoUR taStE is BaD!!!11!! My taste is good!!11!". How pathetic. Do come back when the anime you consider the best in the world is at least in the top 100 of MAL.
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@alshu

his only proves that nowadays the people on MAL like melodrama and soap opera more than anything else.



Nah, it just proves how much gundam fans like you lack media literacy. The fact that you don't understand the difference between a bitter sweet tragedy and "melodrama" is further proof that the simple masses use big words without understanding them. After all, google is one step too far away from you. Code geass and Gurren Lagann are clear examples of actual melodrama, with clear emphasis on sensationalism. Putting those other shows you mentioned in the same light as these two is either vastly disingenuous or simply incompetent.

Another example would be Code Geass

Which gets it high score due to the unique and genius depiction of the main character, which overshadows any character from any other mech series. Any deus ex machina used by the show is vastly overshadowed by the bright main character, who is extravagant and his mere presence on screen erases much of its other flaws. Even at his lowest, one cannot look away from the spectacle. A well deserved high grade. This is virtually the only example you have given where one would use melodramatic correctly. Too bad you embrace that same moniker for the overusage of the word in lieu of a broader vocabulary.


What is the next "masterpice" you would praise for "good writing", 86?

The small man is angry because 86 is higher ranked than the best gundam show as well? With almost a million members, putting the bitter and angry gundam fandom to shame? This just sounds like crying at this point.

Said video is a compilation, of course it wouldn't make sense without the context

No thank you, you have failed to provide a single reason why the combat choreography would include giant mechs exploding for losing a simple limb. Rather than answer in specifics you generalize because you know you don't have a leg to stand on. The second anyone sees the cheap flashy animation tricks to save on the animation budget of actual debris is the second one stops enjoying these shows. After all, the gundam fanbase is so small it's no wonder they resort to these cheap tricks to try and cater to children to broaden their audience.

I mean, you haven't watched it, how do you know that in advance? From the random tunes in the trailer?

More disingenuity. How hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsGtpbfAyxs&t=380s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZbkLqdC_E&t=120s

The vast difference in the quality of the ost is clear for all to see. Those that are honest at least. One feels like a battle between giants whereas the other feels like I'm playing an arcade game. The OST is what differentiates wheat from the chaff. Of course, I assume you are at least informed on what an OST is comprised of in a show.


Polite, aren't we?

Said the person resorting to ad hominem attacks to a person who dares watch a series/movie "without context". Your hypocrisy is boundless.

My point was that it was you who decided to watch it without context and eventually missed a lot aside of the visuals and the things happening on the screen.


Further solidifying your hypocrisy by providing more ad hominem attacks. Not everyone is lacking in the intelligence department, boy. If you do not have the observation skills and "miss a lot", capturing only the visuals and obvious "things happening on screen", that does not mean that everyone else is also lacking.
Subtlety is not lost on me and anyone of above average intelligence when paired with media literacy and a well thought out show. In other words, no, I was not so stupid as to "miss out" on happenings simply because I was not explicitly told them.

It was you who assumed that we are watching the franchise mainly for the visuals.

Hilarious how you fail to understand even the most simplest of my comments. I said no such thing and you're only proving my "lacking in many departments" further and further. Try again interpreting my comment, maybe you'll get it right the second time. Or show your lack of imagination by doubling down like a jester.


In the end, all your comment boils down to "I'm an angry fanboy upset with the world not recognizing how awesome my favourite show is". Sit down and reflect.


@Snuffleskin
More angry fanboy drivel. "YoUR taStE is BaD!!!11!! My taste is good!!11!". How pathetic. Do come back when the anime you consider the best in the world is at least in the top 100 of MAL.
@robertino129 How shallow and sad are you to lord your Japanese cartoon's place on the charts of a (predominantly American) ranking site?
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robertino129 said:
Nah, it just proves how much gundam fans like you lack media literacy.

Not sure if you even know what "media literacy" means. Hint, it's not "automatically what robertino129 likes".


robertino129 said:
the difference between a bitter sweet tragedy and "melodrama"

I mean it's the only thing what Mari Okada can write. Check her other original anime shows (including some mecha) and you will see, she can't outgrow her formula.


robertino129 said:
words without understanding them

That's ironic coming from a person who just implied that anything aside of cry porn is media illiteracy.


robertino129 said:
Code geass and Gurren Lagann are clear examples of actual melodrama, with clear emphasis on sensationalism.

Naaah, I like Gurren Lagann, thus it's not melodrama (since I hate melodrama).
I mean it has some heavy dramatic moments in it, but didn't overplay those.


robertino129 said:
Putting those other shows you mentioned

Shows you haven't watched yet,


robertino129 said:
Which gets it high score due to the unique and genius depiction of the main character

What's unique and genius about this? Lelouch is a cringe overemotional clone of Char.


robertino129 said:
The small man

Are you lack confidence in your arguments, that you need to insult your opponent in every paragraph?


robertino129 said:
86 is higher ranked than the best gundam show as well

Not that I care, apparently you care about rankings since those sure you as hard evidence.
For me it's yet another example of people appreciating cry porn.


robertino129 said:
This just sounds like crying at this point.

The more insulting you sound, the weaker your arguments come as.


robertino129 said:
No thank you, you have failed to provide

No, it's you who failed to provide...
Unless you watch the two Thunderbolt movies (which are the better version of the ONAs) you will come as extremely prejudice.


robertino129 said:
in lieu of a broader vocabulary

Said the user who can't stop repeating "media literacy".


robertino129 said:
More disingenuity. How hilarious.

So I was right about you actually not experiencing the show.
Who is the disingenuous here?


robertino129 said:
One feels like a battle between giants whereas the other feels like I'm playing an arcade game.

Do I smell equivalence fallacy here?


robertino129 said:
resorting to ad hominem attacks to a person who dares watch a series/movie "without context"

So having a simple counter argument is attacking? Also calling a factual argument directly related to the interpolation of a movie "ad hominem" is not attacking?
Double standards much?


robertino129 said:
Your hypocrisy is boundless.

Your lack of manners is evident.


robertino129 said:
Further solidifying your hypocrisy by providing more ad hominem attacks. Not everyone is lacking in the intelligence department, boy. If you do not have the observation skills and "miss a lot", capturing only the visuals and obvious "things happening on screen", that does not mean that everyone else is also lacking.

Your lack of strong arguments is most evident here.


robertino129 said:
anyone of above average intelligence when paired with media literacy

I read this as "anyone who disagrees with robertino129 is dumb and illiterate".
Do I smell ad hominem?


robertino129 said:
a well thought out show

You mean "a segment of a well thought out show", because we even haven't reached the middle part of the story?


robertino129 said:
to "miss out" on happenings simply because I was not explicitly told them

It's not missing of what was going on in the movie, but the lack of knowledge about how those events connect with the previous and the subsequent Gundam UC shows that you lack.
Or maybe your media literacy gives you a free pass for that?


robertino129 said:
I said no such thing

Well somebody said "compared to the cinematographic masterpiece" as opposed to "average to mediocre compared to them, with silly light shows and lazy animations that cover up the screen with silly senseless explosions" and from my perspective not much happened story-wise in that first movie apart of "character and setting introductions, than a fetch quest which kind of failed"...
...but from my current understanding of you I think I got it now.


robertino129 said:
I'm an angry fanboy upset with the world not recognizing how awesome my favourite show is

I which you have spent less time trying pointlessly to insult me. It hurts your thesis and credibility more.
alshuOct 21, 2024 5:39 AM

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