thatguy344 said: Let me start off by saying I love Kinos Journey,haibane renmei and mushishi. Those three are the same as freiren in structure with the episodic and philosophical touch to it. I think Freirein is an 8.4 out of 10. I’ve watched 13 eps and have seen nothing special so far and it does not deserve to be rated a 9.15 average out of 10. The characters are a bit bland. People say it deals with profound ideas but I have seen none of that so far. It’s a good fantasy and nice to watch to relax or if your in the mood. It has some very good ost and good animation too. I think the story is too weak for it to enter high eight to nine. Exactly what I feel. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: Atmosphere as well as OST and characters chemistry. It's also relaxing. Despite demons and monsters existing, the world we see is pretty peaceful and there's no sense of dread. Which is why it’s so lacking in any real threat or antagonist. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Atmosphere as well as OST and characters chemistry. It's also relaxing. Despite demons and monsters existing, the world we see is pretty peaceful and there's no sense of dread.
Atmosphere as well as OST and characters chemistry. It's also relaxing. Despite demons and monsters existing, the world we see is pretty peaceful and there's no sense of dread.
Which is why it’s so lacking in any real threat or antagonist.
| @GoCrayzee I hope you can agree that not every show has to have an antagonist or deal with war/chaos or tournament arcs with duels etc. I can see why people may find such settings boring, but there is a charm in exploring a world where dark-times with major threats are over (though "evil forces" still exist here and there). Don't agree that it makes story "weak", especially when the focus is on character development. To all their own I guess. |
| It kinda feels like what I imagine a Zelda anime would be like |
| What makes Frieren great is the fact that she is cute and smol And the plot + production |
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@GoCrayzee I hope you can agree that not every show has to have an antagonist or deal with war/chaos or tournament arcs with duels etc. I can see why people may find such settings boring, but there is a charm in exploring a world where dark-times with major threats are over (though "evil forces" still exist here and there).
Don't agree that it makes story "weak", especially when the focus is on character development. To all their own I guess.
Don't agree that it makes story "weak", especially when the focus is on character development. To all their own I guess.
| @Sigmar-Unberogen Yeah, not every show needs an antagonist, but I was coming in to Frieren expecting the typical action/adventure fantasy setting and instead got a slice of life with mages. I guess I just had higher expectations from it based on ratings and such. It's not a bad show (I actually really like it), I just personally feel it's incomplete without some kind of end goal like an antagonist to defeat, peace to restore, something to obtain, someone to find, etc... probably just me though. |
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It's quite easy, really. Unilke 99% of modern non-SoL anime it's just subtle and self-aware, while being engaging, very original and full of fresh (for the medium) ideas and concepts.
There's so much details and show-don't-tell moments that it resembles a good Western fantasy movie more than a typical anime series. Part of the reason why big reveals and badass moments like Aura finale really work so beautifully. You don't have typical overexposition, character actions and even face expressions here are louder than words.
Frieren is also very gentle. With music, pastel palette and conservative animation without needless 3D, flashy CG lighting and excessive parallax effects. Oh, they are there, but used in a beatiful and fitting manner.
Fights, tho rare, are directed very precisely. They are not overbloated. Every move or phase is staright on-pont. Backgrounds are just paintings, I love them so much. Frieren somehow perfectly merges the oldschool anime vibe with modern directing and succeeds.
Then, there's real and very subtle character development in every episode. You just don't have boring or unnecessary episodes at all, they are all working together to move forward some thoughts, ideas or concepts. And screen time is used to further develop the cast! Frieren, Fern, Stark and Sein are not static cliches. They are learning something about themselves, world around them and each other every time. Madhouse perfectly catched the manga's impeccable pacing. Show is not dragging around the character tropes for 16 episodes, but steadily moving the story and the party forward both mentally and emotionally.
And of course there's Evan Call. What a chad, on par with Kevin Penkin from MiA.
Frieren is a show that works as a package, it's a sum of it parts. That's why in the era of flashy and very uneven isekai and shonen it feels almost magical and timeless.
There's so much details and show-don't-tell moments that it resembles a good Western fantasy movie more than a typical anime series. Part of the reason why big reveals and badass moments like Aura finale really work so beautifully. You don't have typical overexposition, character actions and even face expressions here are louder than words.
Frieren is also very gentle. With music, pastel palette and conservative animation without needless 3D, flashy CG lighting and excessive parallax effects. Oh, they are there, but used in a beatiful and fitting manner.
Fights, tho rare, are directed very precisely. They are not overbloated. Every move or phase is staright on-pont. Backgrounds are just paintings, I love them so much. Frieren somehow perfectly merges the oldschool anime vibe with modern directing and succeeds.
Then, there's real and very subtle character development in every episode. You just don't have boring or unnecessary episodes at all, they are all working together to move forward some thoughts, ideas or concepts. And screen time is used to further develop the cast! Frieren, Fern, Stark and Sein are not static cliches. They are learning something about themselves, world around them and each other every time. Madhouse perfectly catched the manga's impeccable pacing. Show is not dragging around the character tropes for 16 episodes, but steadily moving the story and the party forward both mentally and emotionally.
And of course there's Evan Call. What a chad, on par with Kevin Penkin from MiA.
Frieren is a show that works as a package, it's a sum of it parts. That's why in the era of flashy and very uneven isekai and shonen it feels almost magical and timeless.
| @shaikhulud Honestly it's far from original. The entire theme of a nearly ageless being losing everyone they love while trying to understand humans and their emotions is just ripped straight from To Your Eternity. The characters aren't really deep at all and the world building is honestly average. I like the show a lot but I don't get all the fuss over it; it's good, but it's not that good. |
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misatoleftboob said:
id love to know as well cause all i see is generic isekai nonsense
id love to know as well cause all i see is generic isekai nonsense
This isn’t isekai…
| @GoCrayzee its not but its written like one |
| The anime studio, Madhouse, and the animators that produced it. |
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@Sigmar-Unberogen Yeah, not every show needs an antagonist, but I was coming in to Frieren expecting the typical action/adventure fantasy setting and instead got a slice of life with mages. I guess I just had higher expectations from it based on ratings and such. It's not a bad show (I actually really like it), I just personally feel it's incomplete without some kind of end goal like an antagonist to defeat, peace to restore, something to obtain, someone to find, etc... probably just me though.
| @GoCrayzee To be honest that's literally in the synopsis of the show as well as episode 1. Main threat, the demon king has been defeated and the world is now at peace. The focus is clearly on how Frieren the immortal's POV on world and life changes due to her journey with hero and company. As of now the endgame seems to be the new crew finding "heaven". Frieren in particular has changed big time already so she likely has a lot to say to Himmel and I can expect their reunion to be extremely emotional. One has to be in the mood to enjoy this show, I get it. For instance, the first time I started Mushishi I got bored to sleep and dropped it. Maybe because back then I wasn't in the mood and wanted something else. Later I returned to it and absolutely loved it. Better if you don't force yourself to watch this if you don't really enjoy it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it has to appeal to everyone :D |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: @GoCrayzee To be honest that's literally in the synopsis of the show as well as episode 1. Main threat, the demon king has been defeated and the world is now at peace. The focus is clearly on how Frieren the immortal's POV on world and life changes due to her journey with hero and company. As of now the endgame seems to be the new crew finding "heaven". Frieren in particular has changed big time already so she likely has a lot to say to Himmel and I can expect their reunion to be extremely emotional. One has to be in the mood to enjoy this show, I get it. For instance, the first time I started Mushishi I got bored to sleep and dropped it. Maybe because back then I wasn't in the mood and wanted something else. Later I returned to it and absolutely loved it. Better if you don't force yourself to watch this if you don't really enjoy it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it has to appeal to everyone :D Yeah, but the show’s only purpose being Frieren’s travels and life feels so incomplete with such a 2-dimensional character. It worked REALLY well focusing solely on emotion and character in Violet Evergarden (and other similar shows like Anne with and E) but I just don’t feel the writing pulls the same feeling off in Frieren since her character isn’t very deep to begin with. I didn’t realize finding the heaven place was the end goal, I thought that was a short term goal that would be finished quite quickly. I’m only 8 episodes in so maybe I just need to keep up with it. Like I said, I do like the show but I don’t get why it’s shot up to #1 and why people love it so much. But like you said, each to their own. I hope I can love it as much as everyone else as the series progresses! Merry Christmas. |
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@misatoleftboob
Please name one isekai Frieren is written like. Fantasy doesn’t equal isekai they’re too different things.
Please name one isekai Frieren is written like. Fantasy doesn’t equal isekai they’re too different things.
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Jundal said: @misatoleftboob lol you can’t even back up your claim so you settle for some unrelated statement, as expected from the average hater. xdddddddddddddd |
| It's a combination of several things imo. Firstly I'm a sucker for fantasy, but the fantasy genre has been flooded by isekais and stuff with video game mechanics that it becomes an oddity of something isn't one of those. Secondly, I love the concept. A lot of fantasy revolve around beating the villains and big bad guys, but Frieren doesn't. The journey has ended and the villain has been defeated before the story even started. And while it does have some awesome battles it's not the main focus, it mostly has a serene and somewhat melancholic atmosphere about it, with Frieren retracing her journey and realizing what she's lost and what was important to her while she didn't know it in the moment. Lastly, the art and music being top notch and being the final touch to this masterpiece. |
| wholesome, relatableness, great animation and sound. Frieren being overwhelmingly powerful yet a clutz makes her loveable. Fern being cool. Stark being an awesome dude Even the priest is a great addition. It's just overall a nice show that makes people want to watch it. Way too many losers and haters in this post that probably fawn over crap like demon slayer and MHA poorly rating it though. |
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