| Your right, but there will be people who would say that it's because they let directors and animators be creative. But it's confusing: I'd rather have consistency over creativity. |
| Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
| Because of this, and more like this. In short, tight schedule and stuff.  |
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| Even if the production was healthy the style it would have remained the same this ep. Unlike with CSM, all the directors for their ep have full creative control (The loose character design models also help with this). Personally I like it this way, it allows them to fully utilize their personal animation style to it's absolute limits that wouldn't be possible otherwise (ep 16 is probably the best example of this). Continuing onward this is probably the case for the next ep too (The rumors' are actually absurd for the next ep though and come from reliable sources). |
Meliodas_007 said: Those who have seen the latest episode of JJK know what i am talking about. To be clear first I totally love it, and I don't know why people are hating it. But the animation style of an anime through the season should be same.... Like in Toji vs Dagon it was good, and now in the latest episode it went to more Raw style.... This sudden change is why it is getting the hate despite being good. I know it's tough for Mappa, but I still want to support them. It doesn't just happen mid season lol you'd be surprised to know the animators have their own personalities and their own styles Kenichi Kutsuna did it and created Kutsuna lightning, which is basically the trademark of Shonen power up scenes now Yoshinori Kanada maximised movement in minimal frames to save time, which is basically it's own art now called Kanada style animation I mean the sheer amount of creative freedom in every scene of JJK is partially due to its right schedule, but the last episode looked incredibly complete and I can say with full confidence that's exactly the aesthetic they went for. |
nwssx said: honestly fuck consistency, if we ignore the rough episodes, this jjk season is what anime should be if a banana taped to a wall can be called art then anything can be art, in a positive way. Artistic freedom is the soul of animation for me, doesn't mean uniform styles like CSM are bad, they just overshadow the full potential of an animator |
Eglav said: This is literally everything wrong with anime fans. How the hell can you dislike that? It's like saying Fog Hill of Five Elements looks trash just because it doesn't look like traditional anime. "Fan animations look better" HUH? REALLY? Yeah sure, a 4 second clip that took months to animate and even uses CGI looks smoother, wow, amazing. You literally think "everything different is bad". You just cannot get such a simole thing through your head as a simple stylistic chage. honestly that's a good argument if the thing was done just to save time and not to enhance experience. The straight opposite happened here. They took like 3-4 months to animate an episode and it looks fought to save time? I don't think so. the sheer amount of details this episode was insane, like the thermometer and rabbit. Miso is truly a god Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
FluffygreygrassNov 11, 2023 3:12 AM
Ki11grave said: Your right, but there will be people who would say that it's because they let directors and animators be creative. But it's confusing: I'd rather have consistency over creativity. completely agree with you... |
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Because of this, and more like this.
In short, tight schedule and stuff.
In short, tight schedule and stuff.
| @itsrj20 There's literally no relation. If anything, this episode had a way better schedule compared to most recent ones. This is a purely artistic choice, it has nothing to do with the schedule. |
Oongbuh said: @itsrj20 There's literally no relation. If anything, this episode had a way better schedule compared to most recent ones. This is a purely artistic choice, it has nothing to do with the schedule. Bruh, they're literally on a tight schedule. No one is asking if this is an artistic choice or not, even though I liked it more than the previous one, but that doesn't change the fact that they have busy and tight schedules. Most of the team of animators complain from time to time. Check your facts before saying "no relation". You are indirectly saying that the animators are lying. LMFAO. |
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Oongbuh said:
@itsrj20 There's literally no relation. If anything, this episode had a way better schedule compared to most recent ones. This is a purely artistic choice, it has nothing to do with the schedule.
@itsrj20 There's literally no relation. If anything, this episode had a way better schedule compared to most recent ones. This is a purely artistic choice, it has nothing to do with the schedule.
Bruh, they're literally on a tight schedule. No one is asking if this is an artistic choice or not, even though I liked it more than the previous one, but that doesn't change the fact that they have busy and tight schedules. Most of the team of animators complain from time to time. Check your facts before saying "no relation". You are indirectly saying that the animators are lying. LMFAO.
| @itsrj20 I never said there was no problem in the schedule period, however the point of the OP question was regarding the shift in design and animation choices for the latest episode in particular, and you reply as if implying this change is a direct byproduct of the schedule, when it wasn't. You want to talk about "checking facts", then do yourself a favor and look at literally anything Itsuki Tsuchigami made in his career, wether as director or animator, and you'll see this is the same approach he's familiar with. And like I said, this episode seemingly had a way better production time compared to the previous two considering the way lower AD and 2ndKA count. Is the schedule hideous? Yes, but you're hastily tying together two unrelated things in a generalizing way. |
Oongbuh said: @itsrj20 I never said there was no problem in the schedule period, however the point of the OP question was regarding the shift in design and animation choices for the latest episode in particular, and you reply as if implying this change is a direct byproduct of the schedule, when it wasn't. You want to talk about "checking facts", then do yourself a favor and look at literally anything Itsuki Tsuchigami made in his career, wether as director or animator, and you'll see this is the same approach he's familiar with. And like I said, this episode seemingly had a way better production time compared to the previous two considering the way lower AD and 2ndKA count. Is the schedule hideous? Yes, but you're hastily tying together two unrelated things in a generalizing way. And you're implying that artistic choice doesn't save time in a busy schedule. You know, if I am doing some work and I have some way of doing that work in my way in which I am more suitable and faster, then it will save time, right? Artists can use their methods (signature moves or whatever you want to call it) to get their work done quickly and leave their mark, and this is called artistic variation or change. How are you gonna say so boldly that it has no relation when it does!! People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so. |
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itsrj20 said: Oongbuh said: @itsrj20 I never said there was no problem in the schedule period, however the point of the OP question was regarding the shift in design and animation choices for the latest episode in particular, and you reply as if implying this change is a direct byproduct of the schedule, when it wasn't. You want to talk about "checking facts", then do yourself a favor and look at literally anything Itsuki Tsuchigami made in his career, wether as director or animator, and you'll see this is the same approach he's familiar with. And like I said, this episode seemingly had a way better production time compared to the previous two considering the way lower AD and 2ndKA count. Is the schedule hideous? Yes, but you're hastily tying together two unrelated things in a generalizing way. And you're implying that artistic choice doesn't save time in a busy schedule. You know, if I am doing some work and I have some way of doing that work in my way in which I am more suitable and faster, then it will save time, right? Artists can use their methods (signature moves or whatever you want to call it) to get their work done quickly and leave their mark, and this is called artistic variation or change. How are you gonna say so boldly that it has no relation when it does!! People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so. It's also part of the reason why JJK season 2 looks simpler and has more creative freedom, because it suits the schedule to not waste time correcting the animator's work |
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Clon0s said:
Even if the production was healthy the style it would have remained the same this ep. Unlike with CSM, all the directors for their ep have full creative control (The loose character design models also help with this). Personally I like it this way, it allows them to fully utilize their personal animation style to it's absolute limits that wouldn't be possible otherwise (ep 16 is probably the best example of this). Continuing onward this is probably the case for the next ep too (The rumors' are actually absurd for the next ep though and come from reliable sources).
Even if the production was healthy the style it would have remained the same this ep. Unlike with CSM, all the directors for their ep have full creative control (The loose character design models also help with this). Personally I like it this way, it allows them to fully utilize their personal animation style to it's absolute limits that wouldn't be possible otherwise (ep 16 is probably the best example of this). Continuing onward this is probably the case for the next ep too (The rumors' are actually absurd for the next ep though and come from reliable sources).
What rumors about next episode?
| @Dan_ALves 30k drawings don't know about the production time, but staff list even more insane than this ep. Problem with JJK's schedule is it's an absolute mess, some eps are given enough time to make a phenomenal ep, but problems are that production can get frozen to chug more ep that are close to deadline out asap. Ep 14 nearly didn't even make it to a deliverable state. It's a peculiar production where ep 15 had 5 ed and ad. But given sheer amount of drawings it should be pretty polished. |
Clon0sNov 10, 2023 7:18 AM
CreepHazard said: itsrj20 said: And you're implying that artistic choice doesn't save time in a busy schedule. You know, if I am doing some work and I have some way of doing that work in my way in which I am more suitable and faster, then it will save time, right? Artists can use their methods (signature moves or whatever you want to call it) to get their work done quickly and leave their mark, and this is called artistic variation or change. How are you gonna say so boldly that it has no relation when it does!! People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so. It's also part of the reason why JJK season 2 looks simpler and has more creative freedom, because it suits the schedule to not waste time correcting the animator's work Yep. Additionally, it also promotes the work of the animators who worked on the episode. However, it could have a negative or positive impact, depending on how much the public would like it. Lately, I've seen many JJK staff animators saying that they didn't get enough time to showcase their skills in recent episodes, while I loved the episodes, what if they had given a better schedule? The quality would have been increased more if whatever work they were doing had been done to their satisfaction.  |
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Oongbuh said:
@itsrj20 I never said there was no problem in the schedule period, however the point of the OP question was regarding the shift in design and animation choices for the latest episode in particular, and you reply as if implying this change is a direct byproduct of the schedule, when it wasn't. You want to talk about "checking facts", then do yourself a favor and look at literally anything Itsuki Tsuchigami made in his career, wether as director or animator, and you'll see this is the same approach he's familiar with. And like I said, this episode seemingly had a way better production time compared to the previous two considering the way lower AD and 2ndKA count. Is the schedule hideous? Yes, but you're hastily tying together two unrelated things in a generalizing way.
@itsrj20 I never said there was no problem in the schedule period, however the point of the OP question was regarding the shift in design and animation choices for the latest episode in particular, and you reply as if implying this change is a direct byproduct of the schedule, when it wasn't. You want to talk about "checking facts", then do yourself a favor and look at literally anything Itsuki Tsuchigami made in his career, wether as director or animator, and you'll see this is the same approach he's familiar with. And like I said, this episode seemingly had a way better production time compared to the previous two considering the way lower AD and 2ndKA count. Is the schedule hideous? Yes, but you're hastily tying together two unrelated things in a generalizing way.
And you're implying that artistic choice doesn't save time in a busy schedule. You know, if I am doing some work and I have some way of doing that work in my way in which I am more suitable and faster, then it will save time, right? Artists can use their methods (signature moves or whatever you want to call it) to get their work done quickly and leave their mark, and this is called artistic variation or change.
How are you gonna say so boldly that it has no relation when it does!! People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so.
itsrj20 said: People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so. When this is literally a fucking common theme amongst the work of these group people, it is quite literally an artistic choice. Look at the Hakuyu Go episode in S3, or the Kai Ikarashi one in Heavenly Delusion. Both are episodes which have a way looser approach to animation, is it because it was to "save time"? No, they fucking weren't. Because both of those series had good schedules and these artists just did whatever the fuck they wanted to because they could. Something being minimalistic or rough does NOT automatically mean a result of rushed work or bad schedule. JJK s2 has awful schedule, but Thunderclap is NOT an episode affected by it. Mod Edit: Removed insults |
FluffygreygrassNov 11, 2023 3:17 AM
Oongbuh said: itsrj20 said: People use "artistic choice" just because they think artists suddenly get mood swings in the middle of the season, but in reality, it has various reasons to do so. When this is literally a fucking common theme amongst the work of these group people, it is quite literally an artistic choice. Look at the Hakuyu Go episode in S3, or the Kai Ikarashi one in Heavenly Delusion. Both are episodes which have a way looser approach to animation, is it because it was to "save time"? No, they fucking weren't. Because both of those series had good schedules and these artists just did whatever the fuck they wanted to because they could. Something being minimalistic or rough does NOT automatically mean a result of rushed work or bad schedule. JJK s2 has awful schedule, but Thunderclap is NOT an episode affected by it. I don't need to prove anything to you. I believe that the animators who worked on it are more honest than some random guy who thinks he's the only one who is right and everyone else is wrong. Lmfao. Mod Edit: Removed insults. |
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itsrj20 said: Oongbuh said: When this is literally a fucking common theme amongst the work of these group people, it is quite literally an artistic choice. Look at the Hakuyu Go episode in S3, or the Kai Ikarashi one in Heavenly Delusion. Both are episodes which have a way looser approach to animation, is it because it was to "save time"? No, they fucking weren't. Because both of those series had good schedules and these artists just did whatever the fuck they wanted to because they could. Something being minimalistic or rough does NOT automatically mean a result of rushed work or bad schedule. JJK s2 has awful schedule, but Thunderclap is NOT an episode affected by it. I don't need to prove anything to you. I believe that the animators who worked on it are more honest than some random guy who thinks he's the only one who is right and everyone else is wrong. Lmfao. Ok you seem to have a big misunderstanding. That guy is right tbh, what you said is an additional point not a contradiction, why are you arguing? Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
FluffygreygrassNov 11, 2023 3:21 AM
CreepHazard said: itsrj20 said: You are right. I should not entertain a bull who only knows how to stick his horn into people. I don't need to prove anything to you. I believe that the animators who worked on it are more honest than some random guy who thinks he's the only one who is right and everyone else is wrong. Lmfao. Ok you seem to have a big misunderstanding. That guy is right tbh, what you said is an additional point not a contradiction, why are you arguing? Idk. Later I also felt that both of us @Oongbuh were saying the same thing but in different words. The only difference is, that he's just spamming "artistic choice", meanwhile I'm defining it. Not in a single comment I deny the fact that this is an artistic choice, but I also cited various reasons about "why it is an artistic choice", such as for completing in a given time, Or randomly and sometimes for other reasons. Don't know about what point he is trying to say "no relation". |
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