What does he think of her?

smashsalmon said:
While the boundary is shrinking, it's still not gone yet. One side loves her as a mother and the other is still obsessed and in love with the image of her. both are true.

youngandmenace said:
controversial take ik, but i could barely sit through this episode 😭 it feels like kana is just becoming a character based on her insecurities and her crush on aqua

marquinti2 said:

I agree with you. The old Dr. Gorō Amamiya persona is not completely gone. It's steadily vanishing. Gorō Amamiya cannot completely vanish until Ai Hoshino's death is avenged. The new persona, Aquamarine Hoshino, cannot take complete control of his mind, heart, and soul because Dr. Gorō's memories and feelings towards Ai are still very strong. Aqua blushed because the Dr. Gorō Amamiya memories / soul in him is triggered when Akane immitated Ai Hoshino. But as Aquamarine Hoshino, Aqua loves Ai as a (reincarnated) mother.

kingsley_017 said:

This anime has Romance elements since it's from Romance authors, but Kana isn't like Kaguya Shinomiya who's entire character based/development was done via her crush on Shirogane, here Kana is just interested (romantically) in Aqua, she also wants to excel in acting, but no one's noticing her or give a damn about her ability 😥

kingsley_017 said:

You're saying Aqua rn has two personas? Can u explain this? I think your take is interesting

marquinti2 said:

Yes. I am happy to explain it to a fellow Oshi no Ko fan. 😁

Dr. Gorō Amamiya refuses to die inside Aquamarine Hoshino when Aqua learned (inside the car in episode 1) that his and Ruby's biological father is still alive. He made that sinister but iconic smile and immediately plotted murder. 😳💀

For goodness' sake, even if Aqua is a reincarnation, we're actually hearing the thoughts of the 30-plus-year old doctor (who is supposed to save lives) speak through toddler Aqua. Having said that, toddler Aqua slowly and surely captures the murdering thoughts and deeds of the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya.

Remember, Aqua has two personas right now:

1. The first one is through the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya, who is slowly withering away or steadily vanishing. But, his soul, mindset, heart, and guilt are strongly evident or present even if his body does not belong to an adult doctor anymore (since his body is born through a new physical entity: Aquamarine Hoshino).

Also, I added guilt in the above explanation because Dr. Gorō Amamiya cannot save Ai during her death. 😞 Remember the "abdominal aorta" medical terminology that toddler Aqua thought about when he witnessed Ai bleeding in the first episode? That's the knowledgeable Dr. Gorō thinking through toddler Aqua.

Dr. Gorō's soul cannot just exit or leave the mind, heart, and soul of the new persona forming: Aquamarine Hoshino (a teenager already conflicted with his teenaged hormonal emotions plus his previous life trauma.)

The terrifying experiences in his previous life (a doctor being stabbed to death by a stalker) still weighs on him. Why? Because toddler Aqua Google searched the corpse of Dr. Gorō Amamiya on the first episode. 😖😭📲 He is worried, and that is a natural feeling. 🥺

Toddler Aqua also witnessed the stabbing of his reincarnated mom as a 4-year-old kid. Afterwards, counselling went for quite some time. It was difficult for him to move on. He cannot get back up on his feet immediately like Ruby. 😢

His toddler trauma carried over to his teenaged self (presently, the 16-year old Aqua) and it made the teenaged Aqua Hoshino be on his guard; it made him careful, anxious, calculating, manipulative, etc.

In line with this, the teenaged Aqua is also stoic, emotionless, and gloomy. He also became very overprotective towards Ruby. He does not want her walking the path of their deceased idol mother. Even if she Ai shrewd to maintain 3 cellphones, Ai still looks like the generic "ditzy careless idol klutz" to anime viewers.

Anywho, Dr. Gorō exists as a mental faculty inside Aquamarine. He influences how the teenager thinks, acts, and responds to the girls or women around him. He influences how the body of Aqua reacts seeing the ghost of Ai through Akane (example: Aqua blushing beet red when Akane immitated Ai to perfection).

2. The second persona holds the forming mind, heart, soul, and body of Aquamarine Hoshino. That's why, Aqua is crushing on Kana. He becomes more cheerful and returns to his natural self when he's around her. Kana Arima is the light or the sunshine that can help Aqua lead a happy life once more. Just look at Aqua trying to make up or befriend Kana again in episode 9. It goes to show that he doesn't mind Kana being around him. In fact, he might even want to be with her.

Every thought that Aqua is thinking outside of Aiis Aquamarine Hoshino speaking, thinking, and feeling. When it comes to Ai, it's Dr. Gorō mostly doing the critical thinking, reacting, and murder plotting. But when it comes to acting as that stalker in the Sweet Today drama, I guess it's a blend between the two since Aquamarine Hoshino possesses the looks and Dr. Gorō carries the burden, depression, regret, sorrow, and guilt

Kipo0007 said:
Couldnt have put it better. Someone who pays attention to the tiniest important details of the series :) 

wizardofahhzz said:
There is no "two" personas in Aqua. Manga spoilers not in the anime.

As for what Aqua feels for Ai, it's love. Not just as a fan, or as his mother, but probably more, though he'll probably never be honest with himself about that part. There's a reason he didn't answer the nurse's question in episode 1, and there's a reason he never called her "mom".

marquinti2 said:

Yes. I am happy to explain it to a fellow Oshi no Ko fan. 😁

Dr. Gorō Amamiya refuses to die inside Aquamarine Hoshino when Aqua learned (inside the car in episode 1) that his and Ruby's biological father is still alive. He made that sinister but iconic smile and immediately plotted murder. 😳💀

For goodness' sake, even if Aqua is a reincarnation, we're actually hearing the thoughts of the 30-plus-year old doctor (who is supposed to save lives) speak through toddler Aqua. Having said that, toddler Aqua slowly and surely captures the murdering thoughts and deeds of the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya.

Remember, Aqua has two personas right now:

1. The first one is through the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya, who is slowly withering away or steadily vanishing. But, his soul, mindset, heart, and guilt are strongly evident or present even if his body does not belong to an adult doctor anymore (since his body is born through a new physical entity: Aquamarine Hoshino).

Also, I added guilt in the above explanation because Dr. Gorō Amamiya cannot save Ai during her death. 😞 Remember the "abdominal aorta" medical terminology that toddler Aqua thought about when he witnessed Ai bleeding in the first episode? That's the knowledgeable Dr. Gorō thinking through toddler Aqua.

Dr. Gorō's soul cannot just exit or leave the mind, heart, and soul of the new persona forming: Aquamarine Hoshino (a teenager already conflicted with his teenaged hormonal emotions plus his previous life trauma.)

The terrifying experiences in his previous life (a doctor being stabbed to death by a stalker) still weighs on him. Why? Because toddler Aqua Google searched the corpse of Dr. Gorō Amamiya on the first episode. 😖😭📲 He is worried, and that is a natural feeling. 🥺

Toddler Aqua also witnessed the stabbing of his reincarnated mom as a 4-year-old kid. Afterwards, counselling went on for quite some time. It was difficult for him to move on. He cannot get back up on his feet immediately like Ruby. 😢

His toddler trauma carried over to his teenaged self (presently, the 16-year old Aqua) and it made the teenaged Aqua Hoshino be on his guard; it made him careful, anxious, calculating, manipulative, etc.

In line with this, the teenaged Aqua is also stoic, emotionless, and gloomy. He also became very overprotective towards Ruby. He does not want her walking the path of their deceased idol mother. Even if Ai is shrewd to maintain 3 cellphones, Ai still looks like the generic "ditzy careless idol klutz" to anime viewers.

Anywho, Dr. Gorō exists as a mental faculty inside Aquamarine. He influences how the teenager thinks, acts, and responds to the girls or women around him. He influences how the body of Aqua reacts seeing the ghost or the hallucination of Ai through Akane (example: Aqua blushing beet red when Akane immitated Ai to perfection).

2. The second persona holds the forming mind, heart, soul, and body of Aquamarine Hoshino. That's why, Aqua is leaning towards Kana. If you noticed in the anime, he becomes more expressive more cheerful, and returns to his natural self when he's around her. Please refer to the Full Moon 🌕 music video of Kana Arima in episode 9. She's walking on a sunny beachside wearing summer beach dresses. 🌞🌴🐚😁 Perhaps Aqua saw her music video? That would be really cool! I am just gussing here. I don't really know whether he saw Kana's music video in that karaoke bar; but I am hoping that he saw it, or that he plans to see it 🎶🎤😁.

Kana Arima is the light💡or the sunshine 🔆 that can help Aqua lead a happy life once more.

Just look at Aqua trying to make up with Kana. 🤭 He gives her spring bottled water ("aqua") to get some sort of explanation as to why she's irritated and making mean faces only to him. She is singeling him out or isolating him in the most tsundere way. He's befriending Kana again in episode 9 because he wants her attention even if she does not want being around him. It goes to show that Aqua doesn't mind Kana being around him. In fact, he might even want to be with her 😆♥️.

Anyway, every thought that Aqua is thinking outside of Ai is Aquamarine Hoshino speaking, thinking, and feeling. When it comes to Ai, it's Dr. Gorō mostly doing the critical thinking, reacting, and murder plotting. But when it comes to acting as that stalker in the Sweet Today drama, I guess it's a blend between the two since Aquamarine Hoshino possesses the looks and Dr. Gorō carries the burden, depression, regret, sorrow, and guilt.

It gets even more complicated with Akane imitating Ai. Does Aqua want to be with Akane when he kissed her in Love Now? The simple answer is "No. Of course not." But, Dr. Gorō inside Aquamarine acted out his plans and kissed her anyway. Dr. Gorō needs Akane to further his revenge goals. So, Dr. Gorō allowed Aqua to act to kiss Akane because she is an indespensable tool. He plans to use her for his revenge plan. At that point, Aquamarine is lying to himself because he does not have a single romantic feeling towards Akane. Furthermore, Aqua is more friendly and leaning closer to Kana.

This is what I mean by two personas. My explanation got longer than what it's supposed length is because I enjoyed analyzing the show so much. 😁

marquinti2 said:

It's different to her brother's situation because Ruby is unaware of the many murderous plots/intents of Aqua to pursue their biological father. That's why, she is able to bounce back and strongly form a new persona inside Ruby's new body: Ruby Hoshino (unlike Aqua who got solidly stuck for 16 years with Dr. Gorō's soul, feelings, and memories that are strongly evident inside the new and forming Aquamarine Hoshino.)

Ruby's persona right now (as of episode 10 of the anime) strongly belongs to the new Ruby persona that is forming (the likelihood is probably 90% to 100%).

Why? Well, it's because the only times I see Sarina speaking through the new and forming Ruby Hoshino persona are these instances:

a) As a kindergarten - "I have never tried dancing, and I am afraid to fall." 😢

b) When she recounts her shut-in days to Kana - "I am excited for our idol debut because, long ago, I was a shut-in for so many years. I wonder where sensei [Dr. Gorō] is now...? I supposed he still loves idols."

c) When she contradicts Aqua in episode 2 - "If you think about cost and benefits, where would your life take you? Live to the fullest right now because some people cannot achieve their dreams because they die sooner than later."

You can add more Ruby statements from the anime if you remember more. Right now, these are the only instances I remembered where Sarina's thoughts resonate or echo through the 16-year old Ruby Hoshino.

My answer would be different if I take into account the manga context (as the manga is waaaaay past the events of episode 10 of the anime).

In other words, my answer to you would change if I answer your questions taking into account the events of the recent manga chapters. I can't go into all that because I don't know whether you're an anime-only or a manga reader. 🙂

Confused_100 said:
Never seen Aka Akasaka fans thinking that his writing is complex lol

RobertsahDHDA said:

Bro is still here trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel 💀

Confused_100 said:
Never seen Aka Akasaka fans thinking that his writing is complex lol

marquinti2 said:

When it comes to Kaguya-sama, his writing is shallow for the first half of the series, but became deep as the series pursues more dramatic and somewhat-mature themes towards the end (earning the series some critical-thinker fans).

*Oshi no Ko* gave fans a lot of deep messages to contemplate about. And that's why, many character analysis and theories are popping left and right.

Confused_100 said:

The characters of Kaguya are deeper than OnK so I really can’t agree with OnK is more deep somehow.

Also to me the deepness of Kaguya ended after Ishigami arc (the only arc they didn’t adapt yet). So Aka isn’t about deepness but relatability and attraction. Especially with female characters. However there is only one male character he wrote with depth better than any character; Ishigami. So I don’t know why he doesn’t try to do that.

Confused_100 said:
Never seen Aka Akasaka fans thinking that his writing is complex lol

kingsley_017 said:

word complex would apply to stories like JJK(atleast Power system),AOT while Aka Akasaka's stories would fit into Detailed ones, while Love is War had better writing of characters like Kaguya, Miyuki etc, ONK is no far behind in that category, plus it has good plot writing and doesn't hesitate to take dark executions in plot. He's no short of a Genius mangaka

Confused_100 said:

Genius is a strong word. Those apply for Fujimoto or Isayama or Ohba. As they revolutionise story telling and characters. Aka is an expert in making characters relatable. He isn’t good in story telling though. Like OnK isn’t story driven, it’s character driven. The story substance isn’t there. It’s all character based.

Unfortunately right now for me, he fumbled hard on characters in manga. Characters all of a sudden doing things out of nowhere just to make a twist. Characters act like they were like this all along. That’s why he can’t make a good written ending because he thinks character based, he doesn’t think how will character develop to the place he wants, he just builds characters up masterfully and that’s it except for a certain character funny enough from OnK not introduced yet.

kingsley_017 said:

you're right saying ONK is character driven, cuz entire plot progression is due to Ai, even after her death its for her, that her son plotting revenge and her daughter walking in her footsteps, influencing both ghe protags


But I don't get how u put Fujimoto in same caliber as Isayama and Death note author, I'd say Fujimoto is above Expert and below Genius, his writing doesn't need much of involvement in the story to understand. I'd put Tite Kubo in the Genius category, not because of his plot writing, but how he handles real world philosophies and blend it in Bleach's universe, Bleach Power system, world building, not to mention is Art and character designs🥶.

Also Death note author's recent manga Platinum End made audience question really is this from Death Note author, 90% were complaining, while few seemed to have liked it, what I'm trying to say is even Geniuses fumble pretty hard, no wonder you found Akasaka who's ain't much of a one.

Maybe just you found ONK lacking in its recent chaps, since many readers (I'm an anime only) said it's really good and consistent

kingsley_017 said:

you're right saying ONK is character driven, cuz entire plot progression is due to Ai, even after her death its for her, that her son plotting revenge and her daughter walking in her footsteps, influencing both ghe protags


But I don't get how u put Fujimoto in same caliber as Isayama and Death note author, I'd say Fujimoto is above Expert and below Genius, his writing doesn't need much of involvement in the story to understand. I'd put Tite Kubo in the Genius category, not because of his plot writing, but how he handles real world philosophies and blend it in Bleach's universe, Bleach Power system, world building, not to mention is Art and character designs🥶.

Also Death note author's recent manga Platinum End made audience question really is this from Death Note author, 90% were complaining, while few seemed to have liked it, what I'm trying to say is even Geniuses fumble pretty hard, no wonder you found Akasaka who's ain't much of a one.

Maybe just you found ONK lacking in its recent chaps, since many readers (I'm an anime only) said it's really good and consistent

Confused_100 said:

For rest, did you read Chainsaw Man? Yes or no? Geniuses do fumble but they are consistent. Eventhough alot of them fumble in the last 5 chapters especially.

The only author who did a good ending in manga and I think is the most consistent, is the Mob Psycho, One Punch Man author. Don’t know if you will know his name. ONE. Is he genius? I think he is an expert but if he lands One Punch Man right. I will 100% say he is a legend.

marquinti2 said:

Yes. I am happy to explain it to a fellow Oshi no Ko fan. 😁

Dr. Gorō Amamiya refuses to die inside Aquamarine Hoshino when Aqua learned (inside the car in episode 1) that his and Ruby's biological father is still alive. He made that sinister but iconic smile and immediately plotted murder. 😳💀

For goodness' sake, even if Aqua is a reincarnation, we're actually hearing the thoughts of the 30-plus-year old doctor (who is supposed to save lives) speak through toddler Aqua. Having said that, toddler Aqua slowly and surely captures the murdering thoughts and deeds of the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya.

Remember, Aqua has two personas right now:

1. The first one is through the deceased Dr. Gorō Amamiya, who is slowly withering away or steadily vanishing. But, his soul, mindset, heart, and guilt are strongly evident or present even if his body does not belong to an adult doctor anymore (since his body is born through a new physical entity: Aquamarine Hoshino).

Also, I added guilt in the above explanation because Dr. Gorō Amamiya cannot save Ai during her death. 😞 Remember the "abdominal aorta" medical terminology that toddler Aqua thought about when he witnessed Ai bleeding in the first episode? That's the knowledgeable Dr. Gorō thinking through toddler Aqua.

Dr. Gorō's soul cannot just exit or leave the mind, heart, and soul of the new persona forming: Aquamarine Hoshino (a teenager already conflicted with his teenaged hormonal emotions plus his previous life trauma.)

The terrifying experiences in his previous life (a doctor being stabbed to death by a stalker) still weighs on him. Why? Because toddler Aqua Google searched the corpse of Dr. Gorō Amamiya on the first episode. 😖😭📲 He is worried, and that is a natural feeling. 🥺

Toddler Aqua also witnessed the stabbing of his reincarnated mom as a 4-year-old kid. Afterwards, counselling went on for quite some time. It was difficult for him to move on. He cannot get back up on his feet immediately like Ruby. 😢

His toddler trauma carried over to his teenaged self (presently, the 16-year old Aqua) and it made the teenaged Aqua Hoshino be on his guard; it made him careful, anxious, calculating, manipulative, etc.

In line with this, the teenaged Aqua is also stoic, emotionless, and gloomy. He also became very overprotective towards Ruby. He does not want her walking the path of their deceased idol mother. Even if Ai is shrewd to maintain 3 cellphones, Ai still looks like the generic "ditzy careless idol klutz" to anime viewers.

Anywho, Dr. Gorō exists as a mental faculty inside Aquamarine. He influences how the teenager thinks, acts, and responds to the girls or women around him. He influences how the body of Aqua reacts seeing the ghost or the hallucination of Ai through Akane (example: Aqua blushing beet red when Akane immitated Ai to perfection).

2. The second persona holds the forming mind, heart, soul, and body of Aquamarine Hoshino. That's why, Aqua is leaning towards Kana. If you noticed in the anime, he becomes more expressive more cheerful, and returns to his natural self when he's around her. Please refer to the Full Moon 🌕 music video of Kana Arima in episode 9. She's walking on a sunny beachside wearing summer beach dresses. 🌞🌴🐚😁 Perhaps Aqua saw her music video? That would be really cool! I am just gussing here. I don't really know whether he saw Kana's music video in that karaoke bar; but I am hoping that he saw it, or that he plans to see it 🎶🎤😁.

Kana Arima is the light💡or the sunshine 🔆 that can help Aqua lead a happy life once more.

Just look at Aqua trying to make up with Kana. 🤭 He gives her spring bottled water ("aqua") to get some sort of explanation as to why she's irritated and making mean faces only to him. She is singeling him out or isolating him in the most tsundere way. He's befriending Kana again in episode 9 because he wants her attention even if she does not want being around him. It goes to show that Aqua doesn't mind Kana being around him. In fact, he might even want to be with her 😆♥️.

Anyway, every thought that Aqua is thinking outside of Ai is Aquamarine Hoshino speaking, thinking, and feeling. When it comes to Ai, it's Dr. Gorō mostly doing the critical thinking, reacting, and murder plotting. But when it comes to acting as that stalker in the Sweet Today drama, I guess it's a blend between the two since Aquamarine Hoshino possesses the looks and Dr. Gorō carries the burden, depression, regret, sorrow, and guilt.

It gets even more complicated with Akane imitating Ai. Does Aqua want to be with Akane when he kissed her in Love Now? The simple answer is "No. Of course not." But, Dr. Gorō inside Aquamarine acted out his plans and kissed her anyway. Dr. Gorō needs Akane to further his revenge goals. So, Dr. Gorō allowed Aqua to act to kiss Akane because she is an indespensable tool. He plans to use her for his revenge plan. At that point, Aquamarine is lying to himself because he does not have a single romantic feeling towards Akane. Furthermore, Aqua is more friendly and leaning closer to Kana.

This is what I mean by two personas. My explanation got longer than what it's supposed length is because I enjoyed analyzing the show so much. 😁

kingsley_017 said:

Asking this after episode:11, last ep of ONK anime, can u tell 'only from what content have been covered from the anime' , what Ruby meant by saying, when he's with Kana, he's like his old self. He pretty much looked the same from his baby to teen phase, atleast for me🤔

marquinti2 said:


I disagree with some of your statements. My interpretation of the twins having two personas is not head canon as I can find manga scenes that can corroborate my theory: