Why All the Hate Towards the Ending?

May 31, 2023 12:47 AM

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This thread is for those who've read the last few chapters and know how SnK ends.

Now that I've read it I don't get why so many people apparently hate this ending. I thought it tied up everything pretty well. Eren's goal since the beginning of the series was to kill all the Titans and free humanity from their terror and the future he saw with the power of the Attack Titan showed him that every action he took would lead to that eventual outcome. Eren killed most of humanity but in return the scourge of the titans is gone from the world forever. It's not an absolutely hopeless downer ending, but also not a everything is perfect and there is no conflict in the world anymore ending. There is still conflict in the world, but the walls have all come down and there is hope in a better future despite all the tragedy.

I thought it was quite fitting and made me appreciate the entire story more as a whole. Isayama did a great job giving resolution to so much that was set up early on. The people who are suggesting there should be an anime-original ending are frankly extremely disrespectful and don't have any ounce of appreciation for how much work and passion was put into the manga by Isayama. There are many manga/anime with mediocre endings, but I don't think SnK is one of them. It's a modern manga/anime classic and deserve to be.

May 31, 2023 12:52 AM

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It's due to Bandwagon Effect.
People who hate AoT ending have 0 reading comprehension skills bro.
AoT ending was a thematic perfection.
Also, Eren achieved his idea of freedom by exterminating 80℅ of the world which really doesn't exist if you think from a philosophical standpoint.
"Everyone is a slave to something"

But that doesn't mean conflict cease to exist, that too in a post-apocalyptic world AoT already foreshadowed and 139.5 expanded this idea

AyanokamisamaMay 31, 2023 1:37 AM

May 31, 2023 12:53 AM

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He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

May 31, 2023 1:04 AM

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My issue was all the other characters seem way too quick to forgive his literal genocide, I wish there'd be more time dedicated to their reactions.

May 31, 2023 1:06 AM

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hikkihime said:
He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

It's quite obvious since the beginning that he's always loved Mikasa. He has forsaken his friends and people to make sure that he can reach the best possible outcome in the chaos that he has created unconsciously. Even when talking to Armin at the end, he is trying to maintain his calm until Armin punches him. You can't blame Eren for crying about not getting to live the life he wanted. He hasn't really had any true peace since the Battle of Shiganshina.

As for the second one - To save Bertolt? He says it quite clearly. He had two options. To let the Smiling Titan eat Bertolt, or to switch its path to his mother. If Bertolt died and his mother lived, there would be no way to know if he would ever get to where he is at that point.

May 31, 2023 1:07 AM

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ForeverTraitor said:
My issue was all the other characters seem way too quick to forgive his literal genocide, I wish there'd be more time dedicated to their reactions.

The ending does suggest that he talked to all of them individually in the same way as Armin. I really hope that one of the things they expand upon the anime is to show us what he talked about with other people like Reiner, Annie, Jean, etc.

May 31, 2023 1:09 AM

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when Eren started talking random shit like "i don't want to Mikasa forget me🤓" aot is over for me

May 31, 2023 1:37 AM

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All that unnecessary hate is there because AoT is a super popular series and apparently people enjoy hating on popular stuff cause it makes them feel superior or cool ig. I mean look at Demon Slayer, CSM and all.

Plus the edgy chad Eren fanboys got pissed since he was crying and expressing his feelings so they somehow believe this ruined his character. Like tf?? Seems like he isn't allowed to express emotions now lmao and should be a cold emotionless angry brat all the time.

May 31, 2023 1:42 AM

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ForeverTraitor said:
My issue was all the other characters seem way too quick to forgive his literal genocide, I wish there'd be more time dedicated to their reactions.

They never forgive his actions tho. Even Armin specifically called it 'a terrible mistake'. They only acknowledged the fact that he did it for their sake and what he thought was the best for them, which is exactly why Armin thanked him. The convos with the others happened off screen apparently lol, which is why it wasn't shown I believe. Let's just hope they add all of that stuff into the anime.

And it was clearly obvious that Armin wasn't thanking Eren for the mass killing, but for his intentions behind it, which as usual majority of the haters misinterpreted either on purpose or for what reason, I honestly don't know.

May 31, 2023 2:28 AM

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dk107_ said:
And it was clearly obvious that Armin wasn't thanking Eren for the mass killing, but for his intentions behind it, which as usual majority of the haters misinterpreted either on purpose or for what reason, I honestly don't know.

I'm not going to argue on why I hate the ending because it's a clusterfuck.
"Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" is very clear to interpret. You seem to be willing to manipulate what you think the panel means because of your blind fanboyism.

Skaldi2May 31, 2023 2:31 AM

May 31, 2023 2:49 AM

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Skaldi2 said:

yeah. That's the most human thing lol. Humans are selfish, it won't change the fact Eren saved his friends ass from the world for like forever.

May 31, 2023 3:07 AM

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cmon, stop talking about the ending now bruh
you like it? fine
you don't like it? also fine

May 31, 2023 3:08 AM

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Eren Simping Mikasa was the worst and Gabi got unfairly happy ending (people say Gabi is Eren from other side)

May 31, 2023 3:17 AM

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Skaldi2 said:
I'm not going to argue on why I hate the ending because it's a clusterfuck.

Then just don't argue? Why are you specifically telling me by this as if I asked you and why do you think I give a shit about what some random guy here who I don't even know thinks about the ending lol??

Skaldi2 said:
"Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" is very clear to interpret. You seem to be willing to manipulate what you think the panel means because of your blind fanboyism.

I love how you lie about me manipulating about the real meaning behind the panel when I was just clearing up a major misconception because there are still majority of folks who actually believe Armin thanked Eren for mass murder. So even an obvious thing like this (which I already said), is still so tough for them to interpret for some reason.

And btw if doing this makes me a blind fanboy, then I'm more than happy with being one.

May 31, 2023 3:27 AM

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Reading comprehension problems. Otherwise I really don't understand why people have problems with the current ending of the manga and I don't know but what else do readers who hate the current ending expect? Like seriously wtf...

May 31, 2023 4:54 AM

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can't wait for anime onlys bracing for the worst ending in history to give the ending a 9/10
haters always lose

May 31, 2023 5:21 AM

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@dk107_

Your first argument is people hate the ending because its popular. That screams fanboy.

I think you got me wrong. I don’t agree with your obvious interpretation that Armin is solely being thankful that Eren did it for his friends sake. Armin is supporting the genocide by thanking Eren. You think that is false interpretation but they are intertwined. He can’t thank Eren for caring about them enough to genocide for them while simultaneously disagreeing with the genocide. That is a really paradoxical way of thinking. This one panel is a clusterfuck.

dk107_ said:
Then just don't argue? Why are you specifically telling me by this as if I asked you and why do you think I give a shit about what some random guy here who I don't even know thinks about the ending lol??

I was just mentioning it, putting it out there.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/n77znm/isayama_new_interview_regarding_the_final_chapter/

Skaldi2Jul 17, 2023 3:10 PM

May 31, 2023 5:29 AM

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my opinion on this would be the ending was meh at best
I have friends from both extremes saying it is the best possible Conclusion,
I also have friends saying the ending made less sense than a buffoon selling ice cream in the Sahara

Well I haven't read or watched aot- so My opinion really holds no value

just been waiting for it to end so I can like- binge it
waiting a week or months and year's for a good story hasn't been my forte

May 31, 2023 5:52 AM

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Most haters simply don't understand it. Others were expecting a full genocide and Eren becoming a fuhrer and living happily ever after in his island. Others are crazy shippers that have been reading the story ignoring the actual themes and meanings and either love it or hate it because "my ship is/isn't canon!!" because both between enjoyers and haters there are too many people who think the point of the ending is "eremika!!!" when it's actually way more than that, but it's common knowledge that shippers are illiterate and think they are watching a romance. In fact others haters are "erehisu" and wanted the reveal of Eren being the father and king of Paradis. Normal people with basic reading comprehension love and understand the ending for what it really is, Mikasa being the key, Ymir giving up on her "love", titans disappearing, the cycle of hatred that can't be stopped... If you know you know

May 31, 2023 6:11 AM

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a few reasons for me:
1. I hated how everyone just decided that it was ‘fine’ eren legit killed 80% of the world and forgave him, especially since it was way to quick for them to change their minds.
2. The scene inside erens founding titan mouth with mikasa, it killed erens character development imo + i just don’t like mikasa and eren together like that.
3.

May 31, 2023 6:50 AM

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Skaldi2 said:
Your first argument is people hate the ending because its popular. That screams fanboy.

Read what I wrote again about that popular thing. What I meant is that every popular series is bound to receive unnecessary hate just because it's so popular. So even if the author would have delivered a different ending, a good amount of people would have still hated it nonetheless. I can assure you that since it's almost impossible to satisfy everyone. There's nothing 'fanboy' in it. I still remember how Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul and Demon Slayer's endings were hated on their initial release.

Skaldi2 said:
I think you got me wrong. I don’t agree with your obvious interpretation that Armin is solely being thankful that Eren did it for his friends sake. Armin is supporting the genocide by thanking Eren. You think that is false interpretation but they are intertwined. He can’t thank Eren for caring about them enough to genocide for them while simultaneously disagreeing with the genocide. That is a really paradoxical way of thinking. This one panel is a clusterfuck.

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May 31, 2023 6:51 AM

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Ymir loving King Fritz makes no f-ing sense at all and is a kind of sexist reveal.

May 31, 2023 6:58 AM

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Also, we don't know why there is a 13-year rule, why there 9 titan shifters, what happened to Yelena, what happened to the hallucinogenic, and why didn't the colossal titan change back into people.

May 31, 2023 7:12 AM

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@dk107_ Does Ymir loving King Fritz make any sense to you?

May 31, 2023 7:29 AM

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@dk107_ Isayama is terrible at writing romance he himself admitted it in an interview. Also, Stockholm Syndrome isn't a recognizable illness by most psychologists, who don't believe it even exists, and it isn't a diagnosable illness and it isn't recognized by the American Diagnostics and Statistical Manuel for Mental Disorders. Also in the original Japanese text, it says that Ymir has the purest form of love in fact Stockholm syndrome was a headcanon excuse used by ending defenders to make sense of the scene.

May 31, 2023 7:35 AM

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imho the ending was a bit disappointing yes but that doesnt make the series inherently bad. It delivered for so many years so whats wrong with a disappointing ending? Aot will forever be one of the best shit iv watched in my life.

May 31, 2023 8:43 AM

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I think more than half of the haters wanted a good ending.But that would be illogical to make a good ending without any major sacrifices.This ending is more sensational I believe.Other half are elitist who wanted absolute perfection inside their mind to be done(i.e merging Both Ymir’s stories,Eren not crying and Mikasa not getting with Jean etc)Regardless it’s impossible to satisfy everyone.

May 31, 2023 9:42 AM

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@dk107_
You still remember me kiddo
How long has it been 3-5 months I guess
Tf I did to you? Got Ptsd coz of me?
Also, I'm not a garbage like you who would clown/talk about other users like this
@LordSozin

How am I a troll?
I literally posted what you EDs say to defend AoT ending in this thread.

If you want me to quote/mention you say it directly.

@StarKnightPJW79
No point in talking with this guy.
this dude is a diehard ErenMika shipper..... Stop wasting your time.

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May 31, 2023 10:06 AM

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Misunderstanding what the story wanted to portray. The anime will make it clearer and make people love it more. I genuinely believe the anime onlies are gonna rate it a 9 or a 10 along with some manga readers changing their mind.

May 31, 2023 10:47 AM

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Ayanokamisama said:
You still remember me kiddo
How long has it been 3-5 months I guess
Tf I did to you? Got Ptsd coz of me? If you want me to quote/mention you say it directly.

Stop spreading misinformation and lying about me troll and don't worry, I have already done what's needed to be done with troll accounts like yours. I know you have edited that shit and posted it here intentionally. Oh and btw you are the one who had quoted/mentioned me first from that 'StarKnight' alt account of yours and not the other way around. Also whatever I do is none of your business.

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May 31, 2023 10:50 AM

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@I_Am_Freeballing Does Ymir loving King Fritz make any sense to you?

May 31, 2023 11:06 AM

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Post this on the manga page, not the anime one. You could just be spoiling it for others.

May 31, 2023 11:28 AM

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CheekyNimrod said:
Post this on the manga page, not the anime one. You could just be spoiling it for others.

@CheekyNimrod This is the most currently relevant place to post because the anime is still coming out, the thread is clearly labeled to be about the ending, and this discussion is for people who've read the manga and know how the story ends.

May 31, 2023 12:56 PM

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StarKnightPJW79 said:
Also, we don't know why there is a 13-year rule, why there 9 titan shifters, what happened to Yelena, what happened to the hallucinogenic, and why didn't the colossal titan change back into people.

The thirteen year rule is that nobody is allowed to be better than Ymir, who lived to thirteen

May 31, 2023 1:02 PM

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@ApolloD A spear to the chest is not a good explanation for why descendants that inherit your power die after 13 years. I have a feeling Isayama had no proper explanation for this.

May 31, 2023 3:12 PM

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No idea, it's just either genocide supporters or people who didn't understand many things from the story.

May 31, 2023 4:05 PM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

hikkihime said:
He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

Yeah telling Mikasa to leave him alone and head butting her is obviously a sign of love😍😍😍

May 31, 2023 4:59 PM

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hikkihime said:
He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

butterfly effect, maybe if he didn't kill his mother, it would change the timeline where eren is still cuck but with no motivation

May 31, 2023 5:23 PM

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@Ayanokamisama, you mentioned me so here we go: The ending was bad--atrocious, even. Nothing can change my mind about that. No matter how many re-reads cause the re-reads that I've done way before the conclusion of the manga have already settled things for me. Like what @nexuro01 posted here, everything has gone wrong since chapter 123.

I'm tired of this back and forth since it's pointless here. You ending defenders can say all you want, but you ain't gonna change me or other people's minds about the ending.

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May 31, 2023 5:30 PM

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hikkihime said:
He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

It’s not random, since the beginning isayama has always portrayed mikasa as a lot prettier from erens point of view to show his feelings for her

May 31, 2023 5:32 PM

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hikkihime said:
He randomly turned into a cuck over Mikasa which a lot of people felt was a character assassination, it's also revealed he killed his own mother for what exactly?

THIS!!! I have no issue with the rest of how it ended but just him being like “Mikasa IS MY WAIFU FOR LAIFU!!” like where tf did that come from

May 31, 2023 6:56 PM

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EXCLMaker said:
This thread is for those who've read the last few chapters and know how SnK ends.

Now that I've read it I don't get why so many people apparently hate this ending. I thought it tied up everything pretty well. Eren's goal since the beginning of the series was to kill all the Titans and free humanity from their terror and the future he saw with the power of the Attack Titan showed him that every action he took would lead to that eventual outcome. Eren killed most of humanity but in return the scourge of the titans is gone from the world forever. It's not an absolutely hopeless downer ending, but also not a everything is perfect and there is no conflict in the world anymore ending. There is still conflict in the world, but the walls have all come down and there is hope in a better future despite all the tragedy.

I thought it was quite fitting and made me appreciate the entire story more as a whole. Isayama did a great job giving resolution to so much that was set up early on. The people who are suggesting there should be an anime-original ending are frankly extremely disrespectful and don't have any ounce of appreciation for how much work and passion was put into the manga by Isayama. There are many manga/anime with mediocre endings, but I don't think SnK is one of them. It's a modern manga/anime classic and deserve to be.

The ending is rushed, just could've done better, that's all

May 31, 2023 9:09 PM

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EXCLMaker said:

CheekyNimrod said:
Post this on the manga page, not the anime one. You could just be spoiling it for others.

Huh, the dude is talking about the ending and the anime isn’t finished. Why does that justify it as being the most relevant place to post this discussion. The ending should not be talked about at all in the anime part for AOT. The ending parts for AOT are coming out currently so it can be assumed that he might have been talking about the first mini-movie, which is what I thought. Luckily I have read the manga and cannot be spoiled, but I’m certain that someone who hasn’t clicked on this discussion could have been spoiled.

May 31, 2023 10:01 PM

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StarKnightPJW79 said:
Ymir loving King Fritz makes no f-ing sense at all and is a kind of sexist reveal.

She probably got Stockholm syndrome after seeing how cruel the world/people are.

May 31, 2023 10:25 PM

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1-Every line of Eren in 139 contradicts something he said before
2-Eren killed 80% of humanity and his own mom out of confusion and because he didn't want Mikasa to find another man for 10 years at least lmao, essentially murdering his character
3-He couldn't even execute that plan right which led to a rumbling that didn't finish it's job which is by far the worst possible outcome. He tried to be Lelouch and did the complete opposite
4-Marley and the rest of the world were so comically evil that them dying somehow felt like the best answer, because the only other solution was Paradis and Eldians dying instead. They simply have no reason to receive any sympathy from the viewer at all
5-Which leads to Floch and Yeagerists being right all along, since Paradis would now be 1000x more hated, powerless without titans, and obviously going to be attacked in the first chance (which happened) meaning that the alliance were clowns, who sacrificed their own people, to save their enemies who want them dead, and wasting the opportunity Eren had to stop this
6-Alliance is cheap, cringe and bizarre, which can be demonstrated by Annie who murdered a bunch of their squad colleagues being simply accepted back in a comedic scene
7-Many character murders like Reiner being reduced to a letter sniffer, Ymir loving her slave master, Necrophile Mikasa, Armin approving a genocide, or untied ends like Historia's baby being completely irrelevant, even Levi being completely irrelevant outside of embodying a walking powerhouse, even with major injuries, when he couldn't do a fraction of that with minor injuries before
8-It felt as shonen-esque and forced as the Naruto Ninja War, phantom zombie titans? Zeke's fluid stuff being the answer to 5 different problems? Suddenly there's a giant worm because why not, then it's just forgotten in the next chapter like wtf

Jun 1, 2023 12:01 AM

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Because it's bad and stupid and bad

Jun 1, 2023 3:30 AM

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@El_Professor07 Stockholm Syndrome is a contested illness it is not a diagnosable mental illness, it is not on the American Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel for Mental Disorders which is used world wide. Also many psychologists don't believe it even exists.

Jun 1, 2023 9:02 AM

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@StarKnightPJW79 I'm not watching those videos. Have you any idea how many women in real life stay in relationships with abusive men? I don't care if you call it Stockholm Syndrome or whether it's an illness/disease. Whatever it is, it exists. Arguing terminology doesn't change reality. Ymir loving King Fritz may sound ridiculous to you but that's just your lack of perspective.

Jun 1, 2023 9:19 AM

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@I_Am_Freeballing No woman would ever write such a scene like that but Isayama sure did as he himself admitted he doesn't know how to write romance. This is a shame because I used to believe that he wrote good female characters like freckled Ymir. Also, Japan has a gender inequality problem believe it or now in 2021 they were ranked number 120 out of 156 countries in terms of gender equality ranking which is a ranking better than Turkey which ranked 130 out of 156 countries. the term Stockholm syndrome was coined by a misogynist and has no scientific backing. If I had a dollar for every time ending defenders said Stockholm syndrome I'll be the richest man in the world.

Jun 1, 2023 9:44 AM

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Jesus christ thisbis the millionth thread about this toxic give it a rest

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