Attack on Titan
| I mean , i dont really understood the hate for this character, he just wants to protect his homeland, even his enemies like Hange thinks he's doing the right thing, so where does this massive hate come from?! |
| Honestly you should just stop caring what ppl think. It won’t dictate your views anyways. |
 ๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
on WilfredJohnson said: and hange didnt hold a grudge on him for that, she perfectly understood he did the right thing and even said that loud.He’s the reason hange died and he’s a complete prick DeFa- said: on short he's just the goat, a true hero that the Eldian empire needed, unlike Eren or Armin or others he's not doing what he's doing for selfish or ulterior reasons or for their ego, he's just a young soldier who proudly sacrifices his live to protect his people cause he gone thought hell already and saw many people die, he only wants to protect his country and a better future for the future generations, and he gave his everything till last moment, not for himself but for the people of eldia. It's easy to not see it when you watch the enemies from the eyes of mikasa and armin, but Floch did nothing wrong, if anything he deservers a statue after the war is overwhy do people like floch |
MeVike said: i mean i just asked, people always says they hate floch but they never say why they hate him, they just say things like "he's bad" or "he kills people" (everyone in this show killed someone at some points tho)Honestly you should just stop caring what ppl think. It won’t dictate your views anyways. |
RaidenSteiner said: MeVike said: i mean i just asked, people always says they hate floch but they never say why they hate him, they just say things like "he's bad" or "he kills people" (everyone in this show killed someone at some points tho)Honestly you should just stop caring what ppl think. It won’t dictate your views anyways. See that’s the thing. You’re asking something that ppl are gonna give pointless answers to. Just like you said, there’s plenty of ppl who simply like or dislike a character for absolutely no reason. They just do. I don’t think you need a reason to like/dislike them either. But even if they give you reasons, you’re probably gonna disagree with such reasons. Most likely though you’re gonna end up in a debate with some random person and insults will be thrown in. Just trying to give you advice on that as it’s happened to me a lot, so I just stopped bothering ig. But you do you. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
EggoGBones said: I totally get you bro, I didnt really saw Floch as the king he is till season 4 either. It is a bit sad that his goals were in direct opposition with the main characters but we needed a character like him, i dont think many other characters could've taken the role of antagonist and inspire such motivation at the same time, in a way I think Floch was kinda like Erwin but on the other side of war.I really hated him at first, he was a coward during the whole Erwin situation to many and I saw him as an asshole for a majority of final season who was blindly following Eren. I really liked his character when he took on all the characters and two titans which was a ballsy change and it was revealed that Eren actually did speak in personal with him. I think his death was great as it was unexpected, he definitely left his mark at least for me. Sad that Hange and many others had to suffer because of him tho |
RaidenSteinerMar 6, 2023 2:20 PM
| There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. |
 |
Placidusax said: Piromysl said: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. From a viewers standpoint it’s easy to say that but if the entire world turned on your country and said they would kill all of you would you really just be ok with it? Could everyone who thinks this really say they would choose to let their friends and family die over eliminating all the other countries that threaten them? There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. |
|
Piromysl said: Placidusax said: From a viewers standpoint it’s easy to say that but if the entire world turned on your country and said they would kill all of you would you really just be ok with it? Could everyone who thinks this really say they would choose to let their friends and family die over eliminating all the other countries that threaten them? There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. Louder for the people in the back america |
| Although nobody can ever in a trillion billion years replace Erwin Floch was 1. prepared to become the devil for the good of his people, like Erwin. 2. A true patriot to the end and died doing what he believed in, like Erwin. 3. A true leader when he needed to be one, just like Erwin. His character is intriguing, and he's basically Erwin 2.0 which is why I love Floch's writing. I wish he could've gone with a bigger bang tbh. |
Piromysl said: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. Look nobody is justifying global genocide except delusional Erehisu shippers and Gigachad Eren-stans. Just because someone's acts have concrete reasons doesn't necessarily mean it's a good act 'Genocide is bad' (RIP Hange), Indeed it is but the way it's done in the show you can't really complain when 'bad' things are being done. It feels way too relatable to fight fire with fire because believe me most of us wouldn't just be like 'lets be diplomatic' when our people are being treated like pigs. Atleast for me, I support Eren but I don't support Genocide, but I'm not against it either. Also what was the point in saying this here anyways? Floch was a brilliantly written character smh. |
CreepHazard said: Piromysl said: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. Look nobody is justifying global genocide except delusional Erehisu shippers and Gigachad Eren-stans. Just because someone's acts have concrete reasons doesn't necessarily mean it's a good act 'Genocide is bad' (RIP Hange), Indeed it is but the way it's done in the show you can't really complain when 'bad' things are being done. It feels way too relatable to fight fire with fire because believe me most of us wouldn't just be like 'lets be diplomatic' when our people are being treated like pigs. Atleast for me, I support Eren but I don't support Genocide, but I'm not against it either. Also what was the point in saying this here anyways? Floch was a brilliantly written character smh. "I support Eren, but I don't support genocide". "Nobody is justifying genocide." then "I'm not against it." Read that again. Slowly. And choose one. Seriously, did you even read what you wrote before posting? |
|
Piromysl said: CreepHazard said: Look nobody is justifying global genocide except delusional Erehisu shippers and Gigachad Eren-stans. Just because someone's acts have concrete reasons doesn't necessarily mean it's a good act 'Genocide is bad' (RIP Hange), Indeed it is but the way it's done in the show you can't really complain when 'bad' things are being done. It feels way too relatable to fight fire with fire because believe me most of us wouldn't just be like 'lets be diplomatic' when our people are being treated like pigs. Atleast for me, I support Eren but I don't support Genocide, but I'm not against it either. Also what was the point in saying this here anyways? Floch was a brilliantly written character smh. "I support Eren, but I don't support genocide". "Nobody is justifying genocide." then "I'm not against it." Read that again. Slowly. And choose one. Seriously, did you even read what you wrote before posting? Uh I read that many times over. I still don't get your point. I support Eren as a character. He Has the power, he has solid reasons and he has a goal, so it makes perfect sense for him to do genocide. Except Genocide isn't the best possible thing to happen, but based on his trauma and the shit he went through, I don't think I'll be willing to write it off as just 'bad' |
CreepHazard said: Piromysl said: "I support Eren, but I don't support genocide". "Nobody is justifying genocide." then "I'm not against it." Read that again. Slowly. And choose one. Seriously, did you even read what you wrote before posting? Uh I read that many times over. I still don't get your point. I support Eren as a character. He Has the power, he has solid reasons and he has a goal, so it makes perfect sense for him to do genocide. Except Genocide isn't the best possible thing to happen, but based on his trauma and the shit he went through, I don't think I'll be willing to write it off as just 'bad' Full stop. No offense, but what you wrote is so damn idiotic, it's hard to put it into words. Once again, you CANNOT support Eren without supporting fuckin genocide. It's like that idiotic meme: "I'm a vegan, but I still eat meat." |
|
Piromysl said: CreepHazard said: Uh I read that many times over. I still don't get your point. I support Eren as a character. He Has the power, he has solid reasons and he has a goal, so it makes perfect sense for him to do genocide. Except Genocide isn't the best possible thing to happen, but based on his trauma and the shit he went through, I don't think I'll be willing to write it off as just 'bad' Full stop. No offense, but what you wrote is so damn idiotic, it's hard to put it into words. Once again, you CANNOT support Eren without supporting fuckin genocide. It's like that idiotic meme: "I'm a vegan, but I still eat meat." or it could be more like "(person 1) got punched in the face but I can see why (person 2) would do it" doesn't imply getting punched in the face is a good thing but understands why someone would do it. I think it slipped your mind that I never used the word deserve, because 'deserve' is a pretty perspective-based term. |
Placidusax said: Piromysl said: Full stop. No offense, but what you wrote is so damn idiotic, it's hard to put it into words. Once again, you CANNOT support Eren without supporting fuckin genocide. It's like that idiotic meme: "I'm a vegan, but I still eat meat." Your logic is extremely flawed. Supporting someone does not mean you support their ideals. This person is saying they support Eren for trying to protect his country in any way he can. Pretty sure I've already told you this: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. You literally CANNOT excuse what Eren is doing. He is so irredeemably evil at this point, that if you still support him you are no better than him. And I don't even need to say this from the POV of the nations, who never ever knew, that a place called Paradis even exists and still will be caught up in the Rumbling. I guess they would totally support Eren as well? |
PiromyslMar 6, 2023 3:21 PM
|
CreepHazard said: Although nobody can ever in a trillion billion years replace Erwin Floch was 1. prepared to become the devil for the good of his people, like Erwin. 2. A true patriot to the end and died doing what he believed in, like Erwin. 3. A true leader when he needed to be one, just like Erwin. His character is intriguing, and he's basically Erwin 2.0 which is why I love Floch's writing. I wish he could've gone with a bigger bang tbh. I couldn't have said it better, Floch resembles Erwin's spirit so much |
LucisCael said: I think me and some people explained above in details some of reasons people like him, but as a tldr i guess a majority of Floch fans are also Erwin fans and they like how those 2 are so similarI can't understand why people like him that much to be honest. |
| I can't say that I hate Floch because he's genuinely a well written character but I still don't really like him because I hate extremists and over the top patriots. I'm probably in the minority when saying this but I find patriotism in general to be incredibly stupid. |
 |
| floch is the goat fr he had one of the best character developments in aot and not to mention a massive glow up as well |
 |
Piromysl said: The situation was either "kill or be killed" for the people in Paradis. Placidusax said: Your logic is extremely flawed. Supporting someone does not mean you support their ideals. This person is saying they support Eren for trying to protect his country in any way he can. Pretty sure I've already told you this: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. You literally CANNOT excuse what Eren is doing. He is so irredeemably evil at this point, that if you still support him you are no better than him. And I don't even need to say this from the POV of the nations, who never ever knew, that a place called Paradis even exists and still will be caught up in the Rumbling. I guess they would totally support Eren as well? It's thanks to Marley and its propaganda, that most of the people in the "world", whenever they think of Eldia, they think of "the devils"; let's not forget who were the ones sending, for over plus one hundred of years, man-eating Titans into the Paradis Island to basically "erase" the Eldians. Marley, and to a less extent the other nations as seen in "Declaration of War", was actively trying to erradicate a race of "innocent" people that were no longer part of the "deadly and man-killer Eldian Empire" anymore-they were a bunch of people, just chilling on their Island living unknowingly there even was a world beyond the Walls, thanks to King Karl Fritz and the Founding Titan powers. But eh, because we only see Eren giving Marley and the rest what they gave Paradis for over 100 years, he is the goddamn Devil himself, and all that he cares is genocide, right? And just because Mr. Floch Foster is defending his own Nation and People, just as Marley and everyone else does, he's seen as a freaking Fascist! Let's clearly NOT remember the beginning of S4, where Marley were attacking and killing people of another Nation to just conquer its LAND, even using the Armoured Titan and a bunch of Pure Titans in the process... Yeah, Floch, the reincarnation of the Mr. Toothbrush Moustache! And even if Eren went with the Armin-way of doing the "Rumbling", they'd "un-arm" Marley and most of the nations in the world...which would basically lead to kill people, just to proctect themselves from the world; not to mention that "leaving the other nations alive" would, eventually, end up in a War to, then again, "kill all the Eldians" because of FEAR for a possible "Rumbling" that could kill everyone, just as Eren planned, and being the main reason of why Marley kept actively trying to get rid of Eldians, whereas by sending Titans to Paradis, or the whole "Warriors" Operation that was to retake the Founding Titan. Heck, even the Marleyans at the Fort Salta acknowledged that the whole Rumbling situation was their own fault, that they were the responsibles for creating such hate against Eldians-making it a pretty huge snowball that resulted in a mass-killing situation, for both of the sides. |
Shulamis said: Piromysl said: The situation was either "kill or be killed" for the people in Paradis. Pretty sure I've already told you this: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. You literally CANNOT excuse what Eren is doing. He is so irredeemably evil at this point, that if you still support him you are no better than him. And I don't even need to say this from the POV of the nations, who never ever knew, that a place called Paradis even exists and still will be caught up in the Rumbling. I guess they would totally support Eren as well? It's thanks to Marley and its propaganda, that most of the people in the "world", whenever they think of Eldia, they think of "the devils"; let's not forget who were the ones sending, for over plus one hundred of years, man-eating Titans into the Paradis Island to basically "erase" the Eldians. Marley, and to a less extent the other nations as seen in "Declaration of War", was actively trying to erradicate a race of "innocent" people that were no longer part of the "deadly and man-killer Eldian Empire" anymore-they were a bunch of people, just chilling on their Island living unknowingly there even was a world beyond the Walls, thanks to King Karl Fritz and the Founding Titan powers. But eh, because we only see Eren giving Marley and the rest what they gave Paradis for over 100 years, he is the goddamn Devil himself, and all that he cares is genocide, right? And just because Mr. Floch Foster is defending his own Nation and People, just as Marley and everyone else does, he's seen as a freaking Fascist! Let's clearly NOT remember the beginning of S4, where Marley were attacking and killing people of another Nation to just conquer its LAND, even using the Armoured Titan and a bunch of Pure Titans in the process... Yeah, Floch, the reincarnation of the Mr. Toothbrush Moustache! And even if Eren went with the Armin-way of doing the "Rumbling", they'd "un-arm" Marley and most of the nations in the world...which would basically lead to kill people, just to proctect themselves from the world; not to mention that "leaving the other nations alive" would, eventually, end up in a War to, then again, "kill all the Eldians" because of FEAR for a possible "Rumbling" that could kill everyone, just as Eren planned, and being the main reason of why Marley kept actively trying to get rid of Eldians, whereas by sending Titans to Paradis, or the whole "Warriors" Operation that was to retake the Founding Titan. Heck, even the Marleyans at the Fort Salta acknowledged that the whole Rumbling situation was their own fault, that they were the responsibles for creating such hate against Eldians-making it a pretty huge snowball that resulted in a mass-killing situation, for both of the sides. There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. |
|
| why did people ever like him to begin with? |
Piromysl said: Welp, that's a pretty "lalala I don't hear what you're saying lalala" moment- ๐Shulamis said: The situation was either "kill or be killed" for the people in Paradis. It's thanks to Marley and its propaganda, that most of the people in the "world", whenever they think of Eldia, they think of "the devils"; let's not forget who were the ones sending, for over plus one hundred of years, man-eating Titans into the Paradis Island to basically "erase" the Eldians. Marley, and to a less extent the other nations as seen in "Declaration of War", was actively trying to erradicate a race of "innocent" people that were no longer part of the "deadly and man-killer Eldian Empire" anymore-they were a bunch of people, just chilling on their Island living unknowingly there even was a world beyond the Walls, thanks to King Karl Fritz and the Founding Titan powers. But eh, because we only see Eren giving Marley and the rest what they gave Paradis for over 100 years, he is the goddamn Devil himself, and all that he cares is genocide, right? And just because Mr. Floch Foster is defending his own Nation and People, just as Marley and everyone else does, he's seen as a freaking Fascist! Let's clearly NOT remember the beginning of S4, where Marley were attacking and killing people of another Nation to just conquer its LAND, even using the Armoured Titan and a bunch of Pure Titans in the process... Yeah, Floch, the reincarnation of the Mr. Toothbrush Moustache! And even if Eren went with the Armin-way of doing the "Rumbling", they'd "un-arm" Marley and most of the nations in the world...which would basically lead to kill people, just to proctect themselves from the world; not to mention that "leaving the other nations alive" would, eventually, end up in a War to, then again, "kill all the Eldians" because of FEAR for a possible "Rumbling" that could kill everyone, just as Eren planned, and being the main reason of why Marley kept actively trying to get rid of Eldians, whereas by sending Titans to Paradis, or the whole "Warriors" Operation that was to retake the Founding Titan. Heck, even the Marleyans at the Fort Salta acknowledged that the whole Rumbling situation was their own fault, that they were the responsibles for creating such hate against Eldians-making it a pretty huge snowball that resulted in a mass-killing situation, for both of the sides. There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. I guess that's what I get for expecting a reasonable answer to the amount of reasons I gave you of why you could, to a certain degree, "justify" whatever Eren and the Yeagerist were doing-but then again, you decided to not answer back any of these, maybe because there was no point because I was 100% right, or maybe because you just couldn't think a way to explain me why I am wrong. :) |
Shulamis said: Welp, that's a pretty "lalala I don't hear what you're saying lalala" moment- ๐ I guess that's what I get for expecting a reasonable answer to the amount of reasons I gave you of why you could, to a certain degree, "justify" whatever Eren and the Yeagerist were doing-but then again, you decided to not answer back any of these, maybe because there was no point because I was 100% right, or maybe because you just couldn't think a way to explain me why I am wrong. :) For the record: I wouldn't listen to a Nazi explaining why Jews had to die as well. Sorry for NOT being a sociopath. |
|
| king floch doesn't deserve the hate, people who hate him don't understand his perspective and are way too sensitive and why are people so worried about genocide, not like it's happening in real life, it's an anime we can get more entertainment by the rumbling. |
vinnywizanimeMar 6, 2023 8:58 PM
| I'm pretty sure the hate he gets comes from people who don't really care for characters aside from their personal surface level "likability". They don't care for their character arcs, development or story. |
Piromysl said: Shulamis said: Welp, that's a pretty "lalala I don't hear what you're saying lalala" moment- ๐ I guess that's what I get for expecting a reasonable answer to the amount of reasons I gave you of why you could, to a certain degree, "justify" whatever Eren and the Yeagerist were doing-but then again, you decided to not answer back any of these, maybe because there was no point because I was 100% right, or maybe because you just couldn't think a way to explain me why I am wrong. :) For the record: I wouldn't listen to a Nazi explaining why Jews had to die as well. Sorry for NOT being a sociopath. Oh, yeah. Because the "Nazis" were clearly in the very exact same situation of the "Devils of Paradis", right. Not like the "Nazis" held the very same "hatred" over the Jews like Marley had over Eldians, nor both "Nazis" and Marley were actively trying to erradicate both Jews/Eldians. Ah, and for the "record": I'm a Jew, from a surviving-Holocaust family. I know very well (from kin) how it feels to be treated like the worst, and being hunt, humiliated and killed just because of who I am. :) |
More topics from this board
Poll: » What is the endings biggest flaw? (SPOILERS) ( 1 2 3 )keinboesewicht - Jul 17 |
125 |
by Vipadus
»»
Yesterday, 11:11 AM |
|
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season - Kanketsu-hen Episode 2 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )anime-prime - Nov 4, 2023 |
1560 |
by Han-yuu
»»
Sep 27, 2:07 PM |
|
» Who are Top 3 characters in AOT In terms of writing alone?? ( 1 2 )vinnywizanime - Jul 22 |
84 |
by AoTFanFromBG
»»
Aug 23, 5:25 AM |
|
Poll: » SiM - UNDER THE TREE (Full Length Ver.) Anime Special Ver.LittleStar - Sep 27, 2023 |
7 |
by Ditophlips
»»
Aug 14, 10:38 AM |
|
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season - Kanketsu-hen Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Koito91 - Mar 3, 2023 |
1055 |
by Dark_zarich
»»
Aug 8, 5:13 PM |