Monogatari Series: First Season
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Jan 7, 2023 4:10 AM
#1
| I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:12 AM
#2
| Write a review, bruv. |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration.  |
Jan 7, 2023 4:14 AM
#3
Piromysl said: surely will after completed the trilogy. On a different note, will it get better?Write a review, bruv. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:15 AM
#4
Bloodbathboy23 said: Piromysl said: surely will after completed the trilogy. On a different note, will it get better?Write a review, bruv. Whole trilogy is good, but 3rd movie is considered as the best. |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:17 AM
#5
Bloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? |
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Jan 7, 2023 4:19 AM
#6
| The funniest part of this guy's review was calling the "wind rises an objectively good film" lol |
Jan 7, 2023 4:21 AM
#7
Alexioos95 said: Bloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? I don't just understand 😂 Ur obviously meant to watch Bakemonogatari before kizu |
Cestlavie_Jan 7, 2023 4:36 AM
Jan 7, 2023 4:24 AM
#8
Alexioos95 said: planning on watch it eventually, my point on this post were that viewed as a film (even counting that it was a trilogy) this movie were horrendous, its bafflingBloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? |
Jan 7, 2023 4:27 AM
#9
Cestlavie_ said: Alexioos95 said: Bloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? I don't just understand 😂 Ur meant to watch Bakemonogatari before kizu Yeah Bakemonogatari was the first novel written with allusions to the events of Kizu being thrown in. Kizumonogatari was never planned to be read/watched first and Bakemonogatari no matter watch order was meant to be the first experience in the series. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:27 AM
#10
Cestlavie_ said: which it is lmao, it an oscar nominated, incredible story that left a profound impact, kizu might have a better visual (see? I even admitted it) but everything else were mediocre. that being said, write this kinda post on a weeb site were prolly a bad idea i guessThe funniest part of this guy's review was calling the "wind rises an objectively good film" lol |
Jan 7, 2023 4:28 AM
#11
Cestlavie_ said: Ur meant to watch Bakemonogatari before kizu It's what i mean. Kizu is a Prequel , so it shows what happened before a pre-existing work/season (Bake). You already know who and what kind of person Araragi is before seeing him in Kizu. There is no need for characterization of him in Kizu , you just need to show how he became a vampire , and the Movies did. As for Shinobu , it was more to see why she's now like that in Bake , there is again , no need for more characterization. (What's important about her is her former servants tho , in my opinion.) Bloodbathboy23 said: planning on watch it eventually, my point on this post were that viewed as a film (even counting that it was a trilogy) this movie were horrendous, its baffling They shouldn't even be counted as a Trilogy , but as part of the whole series. This Trilogy is supposed to be the "2nd part" of the Monogatari Series , you already skipped a lot of "story" there. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:29 AM
#12
| Objectively good film lol. If you judging a prequel before watching the actual series wasn’t enough, this statement ensured that you aren’t worth taking seriously. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:30 AM
#13
| monogatary series aren't easy to watch but for me as person who work in industry a bit, it si interesting you will understand ideas behid it more after watching more of them first time i was watching it with my finger on pause button My appology for bad English. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:31 AM
#14
Oremonogatari said: than tell me bruh, what you like about this movie. Im open to have proper discussion lolObjectively good film lol. You aren’t worth taking seriously. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:32 AM
#15
Cestlavie_ said: Alexioos95 said: Bloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? I don't just understand 😂 Ur meant to watch Bakemonogatari before kizu Maybe you should have looked up the order before talking shit |
Jan 7, 2023 4:35 AM
#16
Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: than tell me bruh, what you like about this movie. Im open to have proper discussion lolObjectively good film lol. You aren’t worth taking seriously. Read my edited comment. I don’t really like Kizu too much. The issue is that you watched a movie trilogy in the wrong order and, unsurprisingly, were left dissatisfied. Also, like I said, you called a movie objectively good which made me laugh. I mean, MAL literally has this rated over your ‘objectively good’ movie; how can that happen if RWTW is factually better? |
Jan 7, 2023 4:36 AM
#17
Oremonogatari said: since this is a MOVIE, its fair to me to judged it against another MOVIE. It might be better story if you counted the trilogy against the wind rises (who knows). but this one were sucksObjectively good film lol. If you judging a prequel before watching the actual series wasn’t enough, this statement ensured that you aren’t worth taking seriously. |
Jan 7, 2023 4:39 AM
#18
Oremonogatari said: well the fact is that the wind rises nominated for oscar and made by the guy who direct spirited away, it isnt enough for you maybe loll.Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: Objectively good film lol. You aren’t worth taking seriously. Read my edited comment. I don’t really like Kizu too much. The issue is that you watched a movie trilogy in the wrong order and, unsurprisingly, were left dissatisfied. Also, like I said, you called a movie objectively good which made me laugh. I mean, MAL literally has this rated over your ‘objectively good’ movie; how can that happen if RWTW is factually better? |
Jan 7, 2023 4:39 AM
#19
Cestlavie_ said: Ulises1264 said: Cestlavie_ said: Alexioos95 said: Bloodbathboy23 said: there is no characterization You do know that it's a Prequel , which means that you are supposed to already know a lot of who are those characters and what are their life , right ? I don't just understand 😂 Ur meant to watch Bakemonogatari before kizu Maybe you should have looked up the order before talking shit I was being sarcastic, Guess it's the Cultural difference, My bad, I thought I was replying to the original post |
Jan 7, 2023 4:49 AM
#20
Bloodbathboy23 said: I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. Keep going because 3rd installment of the trilogy is the inspiration for the last fight of CSM PART 1. |
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Jan 7, 2023 4:55 AM
#21
Bloodbathboy23 said: I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. you should've watched Bakemonogatari first |
Jan 7, 2023 5:16 AM
#22
Cestlavie_ said: if the the wind rises plot were basic, how on earth do you think this movie has a better plot lmao, araragi didn't even have any obligation to help kiss shot and willingly died (kinda) to save her, which obviously a bad guy? And still he did, on what merit? He doesnt even have any real motivation lol. And I'm pretty sure you rip off the wind rises synopsis from some wiki shit, cuz what you written were hilarious.Bloodbathboy23 said: Cestlavie_ said: The funniest part of this guy's review was calling the "wind rises an objectively good film" lol Wind Rises was basically a very slow paced film about a man's struggles on wanting to build a plane during world war 2, a film which tried to paint the Japanese as the victims of the war the visuals and animation were good as you should expect from a ghibli film But the plot was a basic as usual. |
Jan 7, 2023 5:17 AM
#23
| This trilogy of movies is made by needlessly stretching 1 novel into 3 movies. No wonder it feels like nothing happened in this movie because it was needlessly streched out to make more money. It's extremely badly made in my opinion. I personally consider it the worst part of Monogatari. I would highly recommend reading the book over watching the movie otherwise a lot of stuff in it would just not make sense. The TV series is extremely well adapted though and very faithful to the books. I would highly recommend the TV series as it's an amazing anime series in my opinion. |
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Jan 7, 2023 5:26 AM
#24
Cestlavie_ said: the wind rises put emphasis on jiro as a human, on how his relationship with his lover and his dream of making plane intertwine in such a beautiful way. The ending were incredible Bloodbathboy23 said: Cestlavie_ said: The funniest part of this guy's review was calling the "wind rises an objectively good film" lol Wind Rises was basically a very slow paced film about a man's struggles on wanting to build a plane during world war 2, a film which tried to paint the Japanese as the victims of the war the visuals and animation were good as you should expect from a ghibli film But the plot was a basic as usual. cause it shows jiro realization that, not only he losing his lover in the process, his plane that he put so much for (in time even more than his wife) were just used by his nation as a killing machine. |
Jan 7, 2023 5:28 AM
#25
Bloodbathboy23 said: I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. It’s expected that you already know who the characters are from watching the series. There is a watch order you can follow. This is only the first part and part 2 and 3 are better. |
Jan 7, 2023 5:29 AM
#26
| First watch whole show then talk about it I will as a monogatari fan gladly waste those money |
Jan 7, 2023 5:33 AM
#27
King_KK said: appreciated your opinion mate, a lot of people seem to missing my whole point in this thread. I'm not shitting monogatari as a series, i'm just pointing how bad this particular movie is, especially by looking at its scores, this basically an empty shell, visually appealing but have big nothing inside. And i agree about this story needlessly stretch into 3 part movie, it will work better(narratively) as a series or even 1/2 part of long ass movieThis trilogy of movies is made by needlessly stretching 1 novel into 3 movies. No wonder it feels like nothing happened in this movie because it was needlessly streched out to make more money. It's extremely badly made in my opinion. I personally consider it the worst part of Monogatari. I would highly recommend reading the book over watching the movie otherwise a lot of stuff in it would just not make sense. The TV series is extremely well adapted though and very faithful to the books. I would highly recommend the TV series as it's an amazing anime series in my opinion. |
Jan 7, 2023 5:44 AM
#28
El_Professor07 said: i hear about it, but yeah imo that is a nice touch from fujimoto. The whole 'forever getting burned' ability of Agni from fire punch (fujimoto previous serial manga) prolly a rip off from araragi i suppose lmaoBloodbathboy23 said: I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. Keep going because 3rd installment of the trilogy is the inspiration for the last fight of CSM PART 1. |
Jan 7, 2023 5:57 AM
#29
| I loved almost every moment of the monogatari series, except for these movies. The quality was very high but they were super boring. They just needed to make a single movie. I'm glad I watched them at the end otherwise I would have dropped the series. I agree on the fact that the ratings are too high, but maybe the experience of watching them at the cinema made the difference idk. |
Jan 7, 2023 6:01 AM
#30
Lightsrevenge said: its not even a problem of knowing the character mate, even if i knew it before, it wont change the fact that this is a badly written and paced movie. There's nothing happen at all. Cause this is a movie, it should be judged based on its quality alone, dont gimme shit like 'its a first part of a incredible trilogy'. No matter how good the third one, it wont change the fact that the first movie were terrible, therefore i find it baffling on how people rated it 8+ cause the two follow up movies is supposedly good, like howBloodbathboy23 said: I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god. It’s expected that you already know who the characters are from watching the series. There is a watch order you can follow. This is only the first part and part 2 and 3 are better. |
Jan 7, 2023 6:07 AM
#31
Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: well the fact is that the wind rises nominated for oscar and made by the guy who direct spirited away, it isnt enough for you maybe loll.Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: than tell me bruh, what you like about this movie. Im open to have proper discussion lolObjectively good film lol. You aren’t worth taking seriously. Read my edited comment. I don’t really like Kizu too much. The issue is that you watched a movie trilogy in the wrong order and, unsurprisingly, were left dissatisfied. Also, like I said, you called a movie objectively good which made me laugh. I mean, MAL literally has this rated over your ‘objectively good’ movie; how can that happen if RWTW is factually better? I don’t think you know what objective means, but thats okay. |
Jan 7, 2023 6:17 AM
#32
Oremonogatari said: my perspective of objective here is how the wind rises were in FACT got a freaking nod from oscar and a lot of critics out there, you probably didn't get my whole point, but thats okay.Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: Bloodbathboy23 said: Oremonogatari said: than tell me bruh, what you like about this movie. Im open to have proper discussion lolObjectively good film lol. You aren’t worth taking seriously. Read my edited comment. I don’t really like Kizu too much. The issue is that you watched a movie trilogy in the wrong order and, unsurprisingly, were left dissatisfied. Also, like I said, you called a movie objectively good which made me laugh. I mean, MAL literally has this rated over your ‘objectively good’ movie; how can that happen if RWTW is factually better? I don’t think you know what objective means, but thats okay. |
Jan 7, 2023 6:47 AM
#33
| the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" |
Jan 7, 2023 6:59 AM
#34
DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating |
Bloodbathboy23Jan 7, 2023 7:07 AM
Jan 7, 2023 7:18 AM
#35
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly |
Jan 7, 2023 7:20 AM
#36
DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly well i guess you read my post while i was typing becuase your response changed but oh well what i said still rings mostly true |
Jan 7, 2023 7:28 AM
#37
DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) |
Bloodbathboy23Jan 7, 2023 7:32 AM
Jan 7, 2023 7:33 AM
#38
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) you literally pointed out the characterization that you missed. he helped kiss shot becuase he is a character who goes out of his way to help people if he sees them in trouble to the point that it negatively impacts his life, this is one of his most important characteristics that plays a major role throughout the entire story of monogatari. araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset. it was conveyed to you clearly within this movie lol you literally just proved my point of characterization but you couldn't read into it because you arent as smart as you think |
Jan 7, 2023 7:40 AM
#39
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life |
Jan 7, 2023 7:41 AM
#40
DonniedaCultured said: "araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset" yup that sums up your definition of a good character, extremely disappointed tbh. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) you literally pointed out the characterization that you missed. he helped kiss shot becuase he is a character who goes out of his way to help people if he sees them in trouble to the point that it negatively impacts his life, this is one of his most important characteristics that plays a major role throughout the entire story of monogatari. araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset. it was conveyed to you clearly within this movie lol you literally just proved my point of characterization but you couldn't read into it because you arent as smart as you think I take denji from csm, his whole dream life were sucks (especially if you stack him up against other shonen mc) but the series make it clear from the beginning that he grew up on a messed up place someone could be, simple things means everything to him, araragi on the other hand what kinda background does he have? I see none. |
Jan 7, 2023 7:48 AM
#41
DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) |
Bloodbathboy23Jan 7, 2023 7:54 AM
Jan 7, 2023 7:49 AM
#42
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: "araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset" yup that sums up your definition of a good character, extremely disappointed tbh. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) you literally pointed out the characterization that you missed. he helped kiss shot becuase he is a character who goes out of his way to help people if he sees them in trouble to the point that it negatively impacts his life, this is one of his most important characteristics that plays a major role throughout the entire story of monogatari. araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset. it was conveyed to you clearly within this movie lol you literally just proved my point of characterization but you couldn't read into it because you arent as smart as you think I take denji from csm, his whole dream life were sucks (especially if you stack him up against other shonen mc) but the series make it clear from the beginning that he grew up on a messed up place someone could be, simple things means everything to him, araragi on the other hand what kinda background does he have? I see none. 1. you said he had no characterization, i pointed out that the movie characteized one of his most important characteristics within one scene proving you objectice statement of "0 characterization in this movie" incorrect. 2. yes i believe araragi is a well written character but i dont believe this one characterization is what makes him a good character it is a part of the reason but not the entire picture 3. making bad decisions that negatively affect you for the sake of others can also be an asset when viewed from the lens of the fact it helps others. i could go into detail about how this helps him later in the series but it would be spoiler territory |
Jan 7, 2023 7:57 AM
#43
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) no she hasnt helped him yet, but it is clearly setting up for her to do so, and help doesnt have to be her fighting someone i can just be her being emotionally supportive, again i pointed out another characteristic of araragi that you said wasnt characteized yet again proving you incorrect but just because the payoff hasnt happened in this movie isnt a flaw of the movie it is meant to be fleshed out throughout the trilogy, the setup for that is established in this movie clearly yet again proving "nothing happened" completely incorrect. as i stated you dont have to like this or think its good but thats your opinion, but to act as if these elements of setup and characterization arent there is completely false which i have thoroughly proven. i happen to like how its setup and so do others which is why its highly rated. i have 0 issue with you not liking these characters or this movie the issue i have is with you stating it like its fact even though it is clearly not |
Jan 7, 2023 8:01 AM
#44
DonniedaCultured said: thats why your whole complaining were dumb. I believe we had a different takes of what makes this movie. For you, this movie should be rated with the trilogy as a whole. For me, a movie should be able to stand on its own, without having to be carried by its follow up. Its hard to argue when our opinion were lights differentBloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) no she hasnt helped him yet, but it is clearly setting up for her to do so, and help doesnt have to be her fighting someone i can just be her being emotionally supportive, again i pointed out another characteristic of araragi that you said wasnt characteized yet again proving you incorrect but just because the payoff hasnt happened in this movie isnt a flaw of the movie it is meant to be fleshed out throughout the trilogy, the setup for that is established in this movie clearly yet again proving "nothing happened" completely incorrect. as i stated you dont have to like this or think its good but thats your opinion, but to act as if these elements of setup and characterization arent there is completely false which i have thoroughly proven. i happen to like how its setup and so do others which is why its highly rated. i have 0 issue with you not liking these characters or this movie the issue i have is with you stating it like its fact even though it is clearly not |
Jan 7, 2023 8:02 AM
#45
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) 1. you have to bring up the other movies because this is a setup for those movies, you can judge this movie on its own merits but also acknowledge that certain scenes are setups to said other movies 2. yes there are deep themes in monogatari series, you have watched one movie out of an enitre story you have 0 idea what you're talking about with this series as a whole 3. i pointed out the deeper meanings behind dialogue and explained how they characterized the characters you claimed were not characterized it would be much easier if you didnt edit your response each time |
Jan 7, 2023 8:05 AM
#46
DonniedaCultured said: read above, and sorry about the edit, i'm replying on a phone browser, shit was slowBloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) 1. you have to bring up the other movies because this is a setup for those movies, you can judge this movie on its own merits but also acknowledge that certain scenes are setups to said other movies 2. yes there are deep themes in monogatari series, you have watched one movie out of an enitre story you have 0 idea what you're talking about with this series as a whole 3. i pointed out the deeper meanings behind dialogue and explained how they characterized the characters you claimed were not characterized it would be much easier if you didnt edit your response each time |
Jan 7, 2023 8:19 AM
#47
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: thats why your whole complaining were dumb. I believe we had a different takes of what makes this movie. For you, this movie should be rated with the trilogy as a whole. For me, a movie should be able to stand on its own, without having to be carried by its follow up. Its hard to argue when our opinion were lights differentBloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) no she hasnt helped him yet, but it is clearly setting up for her to do so, and help doesnt have to be her fighting someone i can just be her being emotionally supportive, again i pointed out another characteristic of araragi that you said wasnt characteized yet again proving you incorrect but just because the payoff hasnt happened in this movie isnt a flaw of the movie it is meant to be fleshed out throughout the trilogy, the setup for that is established in this movie clearly yet again proving "nothing happened" completely incorrect. as i stated you dont have to like this or think its good but thats your opinion, but to act as if these elements of setup and characterization arent there is completely false which i have thoroughly proven. i happen to like how its setup and so do others which is why its highly rated. i have 0 issue with you not liking these characters or this movie the issue i have is with you stating it like its fact even though it is clearly not as I've said from the beginning you're entitled to your opinion and can have the opinion that when judging this movie as a standalone movie you dislike it, and i think we will just have to agree to disagree on what makes a good first movie in a tripogy, as you said im thinking of this movie being great as a setup to what comes next and you think its not because you like movies to be able to stand alone as a story by themselves. i can agree that if this movie had no follow-ups that it would be confusing and feel incomplete but i think you answered your own question as to why its highly rated, because people rated it based on a set up for other movies, they dont have to share your opinion on how a movie should be graded (as a set up or as a stand alone) so you should be satisfied with that answer of why its highly rated. as ive stated multiple times the issue i had with your statements is that you said the movie didnt have characterization and didnt have anything happen, you could say there wasnt a conclusion to what was set up in this movie which as we've concluded can be either viewed as good or bad based on how you rate the movie (as stand alone or as part of a trilogy) but it certainly had stuff happend and characterized the characters. we can agree to disagree that what happned on screen was entertaining or if the characters were characteized well but i just want you to take back what you said about those things not being there, also i will take back what I said about you not wanting to have a discussion, we've had one and as a result i feel like i understand where you are coming from and hopefully you can see where im coming from as well |
Jan 7, 2023 8:22 AM
#48
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Jan 7, 2023 8:24 AM
#49
DonniedaCultured said: yeah i got it, should have worded it better, but hey, feels good to have an argument with you✌️ hopefully the follow up would clear things up. cheers.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) no she hasnt helped him yet, but it is clearly setting up for her to do so, and help doesnt have to be her fighting someone i can just be her being emotionally supportive, again i pointed out another characteristic of araragi that you said wasnt characteized yet again proving you incorrect but just because the payoff hasnt happened in this movie isnt a flaw of the movie it is meant to be fleshed out throughout the trilogy, the setup for that is established in this movie clearly yet again proving "nothing happened" completely incorrect. as i stated you dont have to like this or think its good but thats your opinion, but to act as if these elements of setup and characterization arent there is completely false which i have thoroughly proven. i happen to like how its setup and so do others which is why its highly rated. i have 0 issue with you not liking these characters or this movie the issue i have is with you stating it like its fact even though it is clearly not as I've said from the beginning you're entitled to your opinion and can have the opinion that when judging this movie as a standalone movie you dislike it, and i think we will just have to agree to disagree on what makes a good first movie in a tripogy, as you said im thinking of this movie being great as a setup to what comes next and you think its not because you like movies to be able to stand alone as a story by themselves. i can agree that if this movie had no follow-ups that it would be confusing and feel incomplete but i think you answered your own question as to why its highly rated, because people rated it based on a set up for other movies, they dont have to share your opinion on how a movie should be graded (as a set up or as a stand alone) so you should be satisfied with that answer of why its highly rated. as ive stated multiple times the issue i had with your statements is that you said the movie didnt have characterization and didnt have anything happen, you could say there wasnt a conclusion to what was set up in this movie which as we've concluded can be either viewed as good or bad based on how you rate the movie (as stand alone or as part of a trilogy) but it certainly had stuff happend and characterized the characters. we can agree to disagree that what happned on screen was entertaining or if the characters were characteized well but i just want you to take back what you said about those things not being there, also i will take back what I said about you not wanting to have a discussion, we've had one and as a result i feel like i understand where you are coming from and hopefully you can see where im coming from as well |
Jan 7, 2023 8:27 AM
#50
Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: yeah i got it, should have worded it better, but hey, feels good to have an argument with you✌️ hopefully the follow up would clear things up. cheers.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: thats why your whole complaining were dumb. I believe we had a different takes of what makes this movie. For you, this movie should be rated with the trilogy as a whole. For me, a movie should be able to stand on its own, without having to be carried by its follow up. Its hard to argue when our opinion were lights differentBloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: but does tsubasa help him at all at the first movie? When she's in a scene with araragi, all the movies try to make clear was how he infatuated with her body, which it isn't wrong at the slightest (he's a teenager after all) but that taken as a whole doesnt add any substance on araragi as an mc or tsubasa as a side character. Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: its true that i feel bad about disliking this movie cause that means the entire monogatari fans prolly have a bad taste.Bloodbathboy23 said: DonniedaCultured said: At least its a better indication than mal ranking.the oscars mean nothing especially when it comes to animation, they literally nominated fucking boss baby the year that a silent voice and your name came out i get it if you dont like the movie because monogatari is extremely slow paced with long bits of dialogue that carry the series but that exactly what i and many others like about it, doesn't make it bad or mediocre just means its not to your tastes, if you have an opinion on it write a review, if you want to discuss something about it then ask a specific question to spark a discussion not just "i cant believe how bad this was other than the animation, how do people like it" I literary point my reasoning mate, and i do ask a proper question on how people give this movie an 8. Is not even a matter that i like it or not, its just a bad, bad movie that supposedly preceded a great follow up, and i can't wrap my mind by how people giving this a good rating cause the third movie was (again supposedly) good. I'm tryna pointing the absolute joke of these site rating i literally didnt even say anything about not knowing the characters, and stuff does happen, conversations happen and the plot moves forward and the second movie is set up, you saying nothing happens doesnt make it true, as ive stated in my post that you clearly didnt read just because you think something was crap doesnt mean other think it is, you are not objectively right and the things you're saying cannot be discussed "this is bad" isnt an invitation to have a discussion, its an insult to the movie and people who rated it highly. my brother who had never seen any other part of the monogatari series liked this movie because of the music, fun interesting dialogue, and unique characterization and direction style. he liked it you didnt, you can leave it at that "others liked it i didnt" but you cant because you're insecure and must have your tastes confirmed to be good, i hate to break this to you but if you think nothing happens in this movie and there was no characterization then you dont know movies like you think you do and dont know how to read into dialogue, movies are subjective but saying objective things like "nothing happened" or "there was no characterization" is simply untrue, instead say " the plot was moving to slow for my tastes" or "the characterization through dialogue was confusing and misguided imo" those are subjective thoughts instead of objective thoughts and allow for discussion but i doubt you're here for that its seems you're here to get your opinion confirmed because you feel insecure disliking a movie the community rated highly On a serious note, what characterization does this movie have lmao. araragi doesnt even have any motivation or reasoning to 'give his life' to kiss shot, that was dumb as hell, tsubasa just there to show up her boobs, kiss shot just start bitching even though she was supposed to be strong as heck, and the movie end with araragi agreeing to pay a shit ton of money to this meme guy, even though it was his(araragi) fault for mind numbingly stupid when helping kiss shot? Like what a joke. I prolly should word it better tho, that being said its good to have a discussion with you i guess (in my opinion at least) also tsubasa is there to be his friend and help him thoughout the movies and facilitate change in his character, it is also established in their very first scene that araragi doesnt have friends because he believes it makes him weaker as a human to care for others the way he does. her being his friend and reaching out is meant to conflict and challenge his ideals and will make him think about his philosophy. if you read into these scenes there is much more depth than you have noticed, im not here to insult you but you seem to have this idea that you know movies but that doesnt seem to be the case considering you cannot read into these themes and cannot see the clear characterization of araragi and how this movie is setting up for him to change and reconsider his outlook on life And stop pretending like this movie have any deep meaning or shit like that, if you enjoy it that's fine but in no way it was a philosophical dive into human conscience, cause araragi doesnt even know how [font="Roboto, \"Helvetica Neue\", Arial, sans-serif"]to perceive what is right and what is wrong for his own good.[/font] (Don't even bring up the follow up movie, were talking about the first one here) no she hasnt helped him yet, but it is clearly setting up for her to do so, and help doesnt have to be her fighting someone i can just be her being emotionally supportive, again i pointed out another characteristic of araragi that you said wasnt characteized yet again proving you incorrect but just because the payoff hasnt happened in this movie isnt a flaw of the movie it is meant to be fleshed out throughout the trilogy, the setup for that is established in this movie clearly yet again proving "nothing happened" completely incorrect. as i stated you dont have to like this or think its good but thats your opinion, but to act as if these elements of setup and characterization arent there is completely false which i have thoroughly proven. i happen to like how its setup and so do others which is why its highly rated. i have 0 issue with you not liking these characters or this movie the issue i have is with you stating it like its fact even though it is clearly not as I've said from the beginning you're entitled to your opinion and can have the opinion that when judging this movie as a standalone movie you dislike it, and i think we will just have to agree to disagree on what makes a good first movie in a tripogy, as you said im thinking of this movie being great as a setup to what comes next and you think its not because you like movies to be able to stand alone as a story by themselves. i can agree that if this movie had no follow-ups that it would be confusing and feel incomplete but i think you answered your own question as to why its highly rated, because people rated it based on a set up for other movies, they dont have to share your opinion on how a movie should be graded (as a set up or as a stand alone) so you should be satisfied with that answer of why its highly rated. as ive stated multiple times the issue i had with your statements is that you said the movie didnt have characterization and didnt have anything happen, you could say there wasnt a conclusion to what was set up in this movie which as we've concluded can be either viewed as good or bad based on how you rate the movie (as stand alone or as part of a trilogy) but it certainly had stuff happend and characterized the characters. we can agree to disagree that what happned on screen was entertaining or if the characters were characteized well but i just want you to take back what you said about those things not being there, also i will take back what I said about you not wanting to have a discussion, we've had one and as a result i feel like i understand where you are coming from and hopefully you can see where im coming from as well good to have an argument with you as well, cheers |
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