Still Crappy CGI, Did Nobody Think to Improve it for the Memorial

Oct 5, 2022 7:55 PM

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The CGI isn’t even that bad compared to 2016 Berserk.

Oct 5, 2022 7:57 PM

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But they did slightly improve it. Only a slight bit though.

What did you expect from a re-cut television version of a movie trilogy?

Oct 5, 2022 10:51 PM

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They have improved it. The cgi designs are much more polished than in the movies. Yes it's still somewhat mediocre, but at least they've put some work into it.

Oct 6, 2022 12:26 AM

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WaraeDanis

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They did nothing to CGI they just up the quality to 1080p covered all 3 The Golden Age Arc Movie into 1 season

Oct 6, 2022 12:28 AM

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niransenpai said:
The CGI isn’t even that bad compared to 2016 Berserk.

Having to compare it with something absolutely terrible doesn't say much.

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Oct 6, 2022 4:25 AM

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Not only were the cg models good for their time, but the animation for background characters is really expressive in places, so it actually holds up compared to the average modern tv anime's cgi and in some scenes even exceeds the modern standard.

Not only that, but the sheer number of models on screen in some scenes really helps to capture the scale of these medieval battles, and a lot of the foreground characters actually look pretty good, especially Guts.

We should be celebrating what Studio 4°C attempted (and mostly succeeded at) here, rather than dunking on it just because it's cgi. I know as a community cgi is a source of shared trauma for us Berserk fans, but honestly... there are worse things in the world than a few potato-faced soldiers in the background of a well-directed episode with beautiful hand-drawn character acting, battles of epic scale, awesome music and stunning background art.

Oct 6, 2022 5:21 AM

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some parts like flashback had 3 fps and they didn't even improved it, but hey it's not that bad at all compared to 2016/2017 anime, hoping we get wyald soon.

Oct 6, 2022 6:00 AM

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raldinamos said:
some parts like flashback had 3 fps and they didn't even improved it, but hey it's not that bad at all compared to 2016/2017 anime, hoping we get wyald soon.

The 3 fps thing is intentional, I think, doesn't mean it's a good decision.
Other than that, I don't really have any visual criticisms of the episode after the big battle in the start, I thought that for the most part it looked great.

Oct 6, 2022 9:48 AM

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they improved it a little, a lot of expressions are better in this version

Oct 6, 2022 10:38 AM

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CGI is honestly amazing for it's time and even better considered the modern standard for most mediocre productions sadly. It was Studio 4c's first attempt at using CGI character models so the wonky fps decision is a given of trial and error. Seeing how Studio 4c's CGI animation is now a decade later, I'd say berserk is in good hands if they plan on doing further adaptations with further respect towards the source material.

Oct 6, 2022 12:24 PM

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Vector5003 said:
they improved it a little, a lot of expressions are better in this version

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

Oct 6, 2022 12:27 PM

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Vector5003 said:
they improved it a little, a lot of expressions are better in this version

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

Oct 6, 2022 12:30 PM

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Fullmettle said:
Not only were the cg models good for their time, but the animation for background characters is really expressive in places, so it actually holds up compared to the average modern tv anime's cgi and in some scenes even exceeds the modern standard.

Not only that, but the sheer number of models on screen in some scenes really helps to capture the scale of these medieval battles, and a lot of the foreground characters actually look pretty good, especially Guts.

We should be celebrating what Studio 4°C attempted (and mostly succeeded at) here, rather than dunking on it just because it's cgi. I know as a community cgi is a source of shared trauma for us Berserk fans, but honestly... there are worse things in the world than a few potato-faced soldiers in the background of a well-directed episode with beautiful hand-drawn character acting, battles of epic scale, awesome music and stunning background art.

Idc about CGI being in stuff, but I just had hope that labeling it memorial would make them improve it at least. I enjoyed the movies when they came out, but that was what 8 or 9 years ago. (Also it was my first time experiencing Berserk), but It was much harder to watch this time around. Especially after them labeling it a memorial and not caring enough to try. It just got turned up to 1080p and I felt the pain all over again of the 2016 anime

Oct 6, 2022 12:34 PM

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Kumiveneella said:
But they did slightly improve it. Only a slight bit though.

What did you expect from a re-cut television version of a movie trilogy?

I expected it just being more improved. Another chance at making a god tier manga into a god tier anime. Instead they just slapped memorial on it and a slight update.

Oct 6, 2022 12:38 PM

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Sagepool said:

Vector5003 said:
they improved it a little, a lot of expressions are better in this version

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

So check it better, bcause they changed it

https://imgur.io/a/jWVdrGB

Oct 6, 2022 1:06 PM

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Vector5003 said:

Sagepool said:

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

So check it better, bcause they changed it

https://imgur.io/a/jWVdrGB

Only difference I see is the lighting and it really doesn’t change it. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the pictures otherwise. And the lighting only looks to be different in the first pic. All the rest are identical

Oct 6, 2022 1:11 PM

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Sagepool said:

Vector5003 said:

So check it better, bcause they changed it

https://imgur.io/a/jWVdrGB

Only difference I see is the lighting and it really doesn’t change it. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the pictures otherwise. And the lighting only looks to be different in the first pic. All the rest are identical

Look at the expressions on the characters faces

Oct 6, 2022 2:17 PM

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Sagepool said:

Vector5003 said:
they improved it a little, a lot of expressions are better in this version

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

You are aware the movies were in 1080p at release, right? Like all the others said, there were improvements in both lighting, character expressions, overly long cuts being shortened for pacing, and a certain scene being straight watchable compared to the mess in was in the movie (the flashback with that whacky ass motion effect, which isn't present here and you can actually see what it is about).

Oct 6, 2022 2:21 PM

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Vector5003 said:

Sagepool said:

Only difference I see is the lighting and it really doesn’t change it. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the pictures otherwise. And the lighting only looks to be different in the first pic. All the rest are identical

Look at the expressions on the characters faces

I see one guy in black armor who has a little more cheekbone now. Is that what you mean? I can’t even see his whole face so its kinda lost on effectiveness. All the rest look the same

Oct 6, 2022 2:26 PM

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Danpmss said:

Sagepool said:

I watched the first episode and then checked the first movie to compare. It was just turned up to 1080p if anything

You are aware the movies were in 1080p at release, right? Like all the others said, there were improvements in both lighting, character expressions, overly long cuts being shortened for pacing, and a certain scene being straight watchable compared to the mess in was in the movie (the flashback with that whacky ass motion effect, which isn't present here and you can actually see what it is about).

Ya i am aware, I said 1080p to avoid typing a whole paragraph about lighting. And i did say up top there were slight improvements, but to give them like a thumbs up like yay guys this still holds up and is a great adaptation. I still just can’t agree with that. Not after seeing the manga and the 97’ adaptation

Oct 6, 2022 5:16 PM

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Sagepool said:

Vector5003 said:

Look at the expressions on the characters faces

I see one guy in black armor who has a little more cheekbone now. Is that what you mean? I can’t even see his whole face so its kinda lost on effectiveness. All the rest look the same

every one of them had more details on their faces, some others had better expressions

Oct 7, 2022 3:27 PM

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If you don’t like the crappy CGI you don’t watch it, nobody pointed a gun at your face.

"I can't trust a website where csm is rated higher than hxh"
- Akira Toriyama

Oct 8, 2022 5:17 AM

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the CGI is not even that serious. IMO, it does not take away from the story but very little. I didn't mind it at all. CGI seems to be a bandwagon topic tbh. You could just IDK....not watch it

Oct 10, 2022 6:39 AM

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Im just gonna sit here and wait to see the eclipse once again, unless they can improve to the point where it has the animation like mappa or madhouse, ill not watch any episode except the one i mention.

Oct 10, 2022 5:38 PM

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As someone who has not watched the original movie trilogy, I thought the CGI in this re-release was passable (based on the first 2 episodes). But I admit it was mildly distracting at times.

As for making improvements to the original, I imagine it would be pretty difficult, even if the studio wanted to do it. I'm guessing the companies could not justify the amount of time, money, and skilled manpower needed to "enhance" a 10-year-old product to compete with today's blockbuster shows. At that point they might as well think bigger and commit to a completely brand-new production.

I get the impression that the companies simply wanted to capitalize on the renewed interest in Berserk after Miura's passing and the announcement of the manga's continuation, rather than make a serious (second) attempt at a truly great adaptation. They named it "Memorial Edition" and did not call it a "remake" or even a "remaster". If they spent a minor amount to re-edit and clean up a tiny bit, and manage to get enough attention from newcomers, it would have been good business decision.

Oct 14, 2022 11:25 AM

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raldinamos said:
some parts like flashback had 3 fps and they didn't even improved it, but hey it's not that bad at all compared to 2016/2017 anime, hoping we get wyald soon.

Most likely never gonna happen. Wyald is too graphic and wild. The animators would have to censor most of the content.

Oct 15, 2022 12:05 AM

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Naroomaki said:

raldinamos said:
some parts like flashback had 3 fps and they didn't even improved it, but hey it's not that bad at all compared to 2016/2017 anime, hoping we get wyald soon.

Most likely never gonna happen. Wyald is too graphic and wild. The animators would have to censor most of the content.

yeah that was something disappointing, i'm still surprised that they added him on the game.

Oct 18, 2022 10:54 AM

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then give them the money to re-do all of the cgi scenes to hand drawn animation lol

Oct 22, 2022 11:07 AM

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Sagepool said:
I appreciate doing the memorial and I think that would be great… if you improved upon the animation and quality from before. Can they really not change from CGI for Berserk. Didn’t we not learn this before? I really hope there will be another memorial to one day fix all this

and that there's no way to make it beautiful because the manga is very very beautiful and trying to do that takes time unless it's a very perfect Staff

Oct 22, 2022 12:03 PM

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Gabrilindo14 said:

Sagepool said:
I appreciate doing the memorial and I think that would be great… if you improved upon the animation and quality from before. Can they really not change from CGI for Berserk. Didn’t we not learn this before? I really hope there will be another memorial to one day fix all this

and that there's no way to make it beautiful because the manga is very very beautiful and trying to do that takes time unless it's a very perfect Staff

Oh it would definitely take like a decade for it to be even a close the manga. Even then still won’t be as good. But honestly I’d wait 10 years if it means no CGI in Berserk

Oct 22, 2022 12:03 PM

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Gabrilindo14 said:

Sagepool said:
I appreciate doing the memorial and I think that would be great… if you improved upon the animation and quality from before. Can they really not change from CGI for Berserk. Didn’t we not learn this before? I really hope there will be another memorial to one day fix all this

and that there's no way to make it beautiful because the manga is very very beautiful and trying to do that takes time unless it's a very perfect Staff

Oh it would definitely take like a decade for it to be even a close the manga. Even then still won’t be as good. But honestly I’d wait 10 years if it means no CGI in Berserk

Oct 22, 2022 1:48 PM

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Why do they even feel the need to repeat this arc for like the fourth or fifth time already??
"Oh, but its memorial"
Who cares? If you really want to help keep a good memory of this show and the mangaka, fix the disgrace that was berserk 2016 with a proper adaptation of it all in a proper anime, i mean, goddamn, its in the top 50 manga OF ALL TIME, give it a good treatment for once!

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