| Okay so I'm not caught up to this anime but I heard about the controversy regarding the ending and apparently people are getting mad Chisato didn't get together with Takina and I heard some people saying she got together with Majima or something. Is that true?? I don't mind spoilers. What do you think about the controversy? |
| There is no controversy. Yuri fans were disappointed because show did not ended with yuri and are struggling with the possiblity, that two girls may be friends. Happens literally every time an original anime with female characters finishes airing. And that Chisato X Majima ship is just made up bullshit, which didn't happen and most likely (and hopefully) never will. Dunno who even told you that. |
PiromyslSep 29, 2022 4:52 PM
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| Look the ending was good, just for some reason everything has to be sexualized in anime and people are going mental because Takina and Chisato didn't fuck |
 "Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
| I don’t care who gets together in the show. People getting all upset over Chisato and Takina not becoming a couple is just jumping the gun. Who knows what’s gonna happen in future seasons. Are these same people gonna have a meltdown if either girl starts dating a guy from lilybell? Just let it play out. Also if anyone hasn’t seen this but are Lycoris recoil fans you should check out Princess Principle. A friend mentioned it when LR ended so I checked it out and I thought it was really good. There are definitely some similarities but it takes place in the early 20th century with a steampunk aesthetic. |
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thunderkitten667 said: i didn't create the drama. I call it controversy because the scriptwriter has been harrassed over on Twitter over the non-Yuri ending, in case you aren't aware. And the hate is especially intense over in Asia.Here we go again... There is no controversy... People truly love the ending, hence the BD/manga/LN sales numbers... Let’s stop creating drama threads over this nonsense... |
Piromysl said: There is no controversy. And that Chisato X Majima ship is just made up bullshit, which didn't happen and most likely (and hopefully) never will. Dunno who even told you that. Oh thank god. I was scared for a sec. |
DanVin0429 said: thunderkitten667 said: Chisato and Takina’s relationship is inherently sexual. Chisato literally peaked at Takina’s underwear, smelled her hair while inside Takina’s sleeping bag while teasing her who she liked (LN), picking up Takina by the butt... How is Chisataki not a thing again when VA/screenwriter/creator already hinting it is? because the show is not romance... if it was then Chisato and Takina would have already become a couple since there was definitely romantic tension between the 2. it's not the first time in fiction where 2 characters did not end up together at the end of story despite having multiple romantic implications between those 2 characters romance & yuri are two different things. Romance = Pure Yuri = Perversion ¯\_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯ |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
astralkill00 said: You don't get it. Romance = a genre that depicts a romantic relationship. Yuri: a genre in Japanese media that depicts a lesbian relationship.DanVin0429 said: because the show is not romance... if it was then Chisato and Takina would have already become a couple since there was definitely romantic tension between the 2. it's not the first time in fiction where 2 characters did not end up together at the end of story despite having multiple romantic implications between those 2 characters romance & yuri are two different things. Romance = Pure Yuri = Perversion ¯\_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯ |
ttcchen said: astralkill00 said: You don't get it. Romance = a genre that depicts a romantic relationship. Yuri: a genre in Japanese media that depicts a lesbian relationship.romance & yuri are two different things. Romance = Pure Yuri = Perversion ¯\_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯ If you already know that, my statement still holds true. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They are two different things. Romance is mostly used on Male x Female Yuri is as you already said Yaoi is the opposite of Yuri. So if there's no tag for it, one needs to move on. |
ASinfulPersonageSep 29, 2022 10:27 PM
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
astralkill00 said: ttcchen said: You don't get it. Romance = a genre that depicts a romantic relationship. Yuri: a genre in Japanese media that depicts a lesbian relationship. If you already know that, my statement still holds true. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No, I wrote that to counter your statement. By your definition, all fxf romance story in Japan are considered "perversion" because they'll be labeled "Yuri" since that's the name of the genre in Japan, and that is completely false. Of course, there are "perversion" stories out there like in any genre, and yuri also has its fair share, but it doesn't change the meaning of the genre. If someone in Japan wants to write a pure, romance story between two girls, guess what genre is available for them to choose? You guessed it, "Yuri." Does that mean the story and relationship is guaranteed to be unpure and fetishizing? Heck no. |
ttcchen said: No, I wrote that to counter your statement. By your definition, all fxf romance story in Japan are considered "perversion" because they'll be labeled "Yuri" since that's the name of the genre in Japan, and that is completely false. Of course, there are "perversion" stories out there like in any genre, and yuri also has its fair share, but it doesn't change the meaning of the genre. If someone in Japan wants to write a pure, romance story between two girls, guess what genre is available for them to choose? You guessed it, "Yuri." Does that mean the story and relationship is guaranteed to be unpure and fetishizing? Heck no. There's no such thing as pure yuri, sorry. It's either friendship between two girls which is considered pure or yuri which is considered unpure. That's all. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
astralkill00 said: If you see Yuri as unpure when Yuri is literally just girl x girl relationship, then even if you deny I think you might have some inner homophobicness. If that's the case, then it's totally fine. But just so you know, your biased view of a genre doesn't change its definition for the majority.ttcchen said: No, I wrote that to counter your statement. By your definition, all fxf romance story in Japan are considered "perversion" because they'll be labeled "Yuri" since that's the name of the genre in Japan, and that is completely false. Of course, there are "perversion" stories out there like in any genre, and yuri also has its fair share, but it doesn't change the meaning of the genre. If someone in Japan wants to write a pure, romance story between two girls, guess what genre is available for them to choose? You guessed it, "Yuri." Does that mean the story and relationship is guaranteed to be unpure and fetishizing? Heck no. There's no such thing as pure yuri, sorry. It's either friendship between two girls which is considered pure or yuri which is considered unpure. That's all. |
| Pick your poison. P.S. We are going off topic here.   I guess I need to learn more. OwO We probably need Yuri-A & Yuri-B tags to differentiate the two huh. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
thunderkitten667 said: I don't get why you think it's necessary to make these bullet points when the topic of discussion isn't even that. My objective for posting this thread is to 1. determine whether the rumor of Chisato getting together with Majima is true or not and 2. see what the fans on MAL have to say about this situation with the hate on the ending. That's all. If you want to call this "creating drama" then sure whatever man.ttcchen said: i didn't create the drama. I call it controversy because the scriptwriter has been harrassed over on Twitter over the non-Yuri ending, in case you aren't aware. And the hate is especially intense over in Asia. Ok: 1. Didn’t say you created the drama 2. A FEW members of the staff has been harassed, not all the staff members 3. A large portion of this “hate movement” is from upset fans in China, and they are directing a targeted attack on the lack of yuri 4. A recent post from the official LR Twitter garnered over 50K likes in support. It is safe to say, the large portion love the show, regardless if they believe in Chisataki or not 5. Targeted hate is never justified, yes, but it never means that a group AS A WHOLE condones that behavior. Giving attention to the few troublemakers/inflating an issue bigger than it actually is only serves to DEMONIZE a group as a whole, and that is always wrong no matter the topic/hobby/fanbase etc. |
astralkill00 said: Pick your poison. P.S. We are going off topic here. I guess I need to learn more. OwO We probably need Yuri-A & Yuri-B tags to differentiate the two huh.  I personally trust the Japanese's definition of Yuri more than anything else, since this is their genre Edit: There's no need to differentiate anything. The definitions you found in the first ss are just wrong. Please, don't trust random websites with no credibility |
ramenystSep 29, 2022 11:20 PM
| I think the yuri fans have the right to hate the ending since they are 95% of this show fanbase lol |
thunderkitten667 said: ttcchen said: I don't get why you think it's necessary to make these bullet points when the topic of discussion isn't even that. My objective for posting this thread is to 1. determine whether the rumor of Chisato getting together with Majima is true or not and 2. see what the fans on MAL have to say about this situation with the hate on the ending. That's all. If you want to call this "creating drama" then sure whatever man. Uhhh, no, you said there was a controversy. There’s literally zero controversy. I reponded to that post, and elaborated further with evidence. And AGAIN, no I’m not saying you created drama. You realize this is the fourth/fifth thread accuses the yuri fans of drama, when there’s literally only been one hate thread on an accusation of yuri baiting. I suggest you look at threads because everything people are saying here (MOSTLY shaming/demeaning yuri fans) has already been said. okay now you're even accusing me of "accusing yuri fans of drama". Once again, let me reiterate myself. I called it a "controversy" because not all fans hate the ending, and among those who do hate the ending, not all of them went to harass the scriptwriter on Twitter, and this split in opinion is what defines controversy: "disagreement, typically when prolonged, public, and heated." Is this prolonged? No, but is it public? Yes. Heated? Maybe not among fans on MAL but among lycoris fans in general? Definitely. Hence my usage of this word. Okay now that this has been explained, I feel like I need to bring it to your attention that MAL doesn't represent the entire fanbase. Out of everyone watching lycoris, I'd be surprised if even half of them uses MAL. And that's not including fans from Asia, who are involved in this "controversy" as well. So just because there's only one hate thread on MAL doesn't mean the 4 or 5 threads "accusing" yuri fans of drama aren't warranted. And to end my comment, let me emphasis once again that I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm merely stating the situation as it is and my only reason for posting this thread is to find out if the Chisato x Majima endship is canon or fanon (because it's such a ridiculous rumor I just had to confirm it) |
thunderkitten667 said: Okay so apparently you can speak for every single lycoris fan now. Tell me, where is your source that lycoris fans who don't use MAL, or live in China/Korea/Japan/India etc, or do use MAL but isn't active here, ALL love this show without a single one hating it, or hating the ending? And tell me, if everyone truly love the show, why is the scripwriter receiving hate messages on Twitter? ttcchen said: okay now you're even accusing me of "accusing yuri fans of drama". Once again, let me reiterate myself. I called it a "controversy" because not all fans hate the ending, and among those who do hate the ending, not all of them went to harass the scriptwriter on Twitter, and this split in opinion is what defines controversy: "disagreement, typically when prolonged, public, and heated." Is this prolonged? No, but is it public? Yes. Heated? Maybe not among fans on MAL but among lycoris fans in general? Definitely. Hence my usage of this word. Okay now that this has been explained, I feel like I need to bring it to your attention that MAL doesn't represent the entire fanbase. Out of everyone watching lycoris, I'd be surprised if even half of them uses MAL. And that's not including fans from Asia, who are involved in this "controversy" as well. So just because there's only one hate thread on MAL doesn't mean the 4 or 5 threads "accusing" yuri fans of drama aren't warranted. And to end my comment, let me emphasis once again that I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm merely stating the situation as it is and my only reason for posting this thread is to find out if the Chisato x Majima endship is canon or fanon (because it's such a ridiculous rumor I just had to confirm it) Among Lycoris fans in general? No, no, and...no. Everyone loves the ending. At worst, people really want to see Chisato and Takina’s character development and relationship grow. That’s it. I don’t know where you are getting “there’s exists a controversy”, but it is baseless and unfounded. The Blu Ray sales are peaking the charts for this season, beating even “bigger” titles. People adore this anime...again, no controversy! |
thunderkitten667 said: Like I said, lycoris fans aren't only people active on MAL. It includes those who aren't active, those who don't use MAL, and those in Asia. Most of the hatred if stemming from Asia, and even though apparently the haters aren't active on MAL, there are still a lot of them harassing the scriptwriter on Twitter. No, not just one or two. They're loads of them. Just go scroll down the quote retweets, or go youtube this situation. There are already a few youtubers making videos on this. Of course a single person hating the ending doesn't make it a controversy, but when there are already this many haters then this definitely fits the definition of a controversy. Go to the lycoris recoil forum on tieba (basically chinese reddit) and see the hate for yourself cuz I know if I just tell you you're not going to believe me so see it yourself. There's no point arguing with me here of how "everyone loves lycoris' ending :D" any further when my proof of the controversy is right in front of you. Do your research.ttcchen said: Okay so apparently you can speak for every single lycoris fan now. Tell me, where is your source that lycoris fans who don't use MAL, or live in China/Korea/Japan/India etc, or do use MAL but isn't active here, ALL love this show without a single one hating it, or hating the ending? And tell me, if everyone truly love the show, why is the scripwriter receiving hate messages on Twitter? Wait, so your definition of “controversy” is at least ONE person hating something about it/hating decision by staff? Then literally everything that has ever existed has gone through a controversy. No, I think controversy as a term is reserved for things that split communities in half, like the Boruto sequel creating mixed feelings with people that think Naruto should have ended, Goblin Slayer episode one having some people say it was too gruesome to show while others sm praised its use of horror, Redo of Healer anime split with one half saying the anime is useless power fantasy trash while others think it’s a reimagining of the fantasy genre...this are just some examples because honestly, I don’t even like feeding into negativity. But it’s sad how this anime has garnered so much hate for one side, the yuri fans, when realistically, this anime is probably made up of 80% yuri enjoyers, lol. But I said all I need to say. If you genuinely were curious about any sort of “controversy”, then whatever I guess. |
| Because degenerate people who refuses to touch some grass outside wants to sexualized everything. |
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ttcchen said: thunderkitten667 said: Like I said, lycoris fans aren't only people active on MAL. It includes those who aren't active, those who don't use MAL, and those in Asia. Most of the hatred if stemming from Asia, and even though apparently the haters aren't active on MAL, there are still a lot of them harassing the scriptwriter on Twitter. No, not just one or two. They're loads of them. Just go scroll down the quote retweets, or go youtube this situation. There are already a few youtubers making videos on this. Of course a single person hating the ending doesn't make it a controversy, but when there are already this many haters then this definitely fits the definition of a controversy. Go to the lycoris recoil forum on tieba (basically chinese reddit) and see the hate for yourself cuz I know if I just tell you you're not going to believe me so see it yourself. There's no point arguing with me here of how "everyone loves lycoris' ending :D" any further when my proof of the controversy is right in front of you. Do your research.Wait, so your definition of “controversy” is at least ONE person hating something about it/hating decision by staff? Then literally everything that has ever existed has gone through a controversy. No, I think controversy as a term is reserved for things that split communities in half, like the Boruto sequel creating mixed feelings with people that think Naruto should have ended, Goblin Slayer episode one having some people say it was too gruesome to show while others sm praised its use of horror, Redo of Healer anime split with one half saying the anime is useless power fantasy trash while others think it’s a reimagining of the fantasy genre...this are just some examples because honestly, I don’t even like feeding into negativity. But it’s sad how this anime has garnered so much hate for one side, the yuri fans, when realistically, this anime is probably made up of 80% yuri enjoyers, lol. But I said all I need to say. If you genuinely were curious about any sort of “controversy”, then whatever I guess. If this really comes not least from Chinese users, then I'm not surprised. Chinese shippers have recently become quite fanatical, to the point of repeating the bad quirks of Japanese and Western in a far from the best sense. At the same time, I've seen westerners get involved in this, somewhat replicating the MHA situation, with Horikoshi continuing (and continuing) to receive intrusive tweets demanding that slash ships be made canon. |
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SkyhighCFC said: Boobsftw said: I think the yuri fans have the right to hate the ending since they are 95% of this show fanbase lol This is literally just false. For them, this is not a lie. They literally always believe that they are the main audience of any all-female shows and that any fans of these shows want their ship to become canon. And of course, everything in the show is directed at them, as you could see from that user who claimed that the fanservice scenes in LN should be taken as completely serious since they were written by the same writer. |
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TomboyTamer said: RobertBobert said: For them, this is not a lie. They literally always believe that they are the main audience of any all-female shows and that any fans of these shows want their ship to become canon. And of course, everything in the show is directed at them, as you could see from that user who claimed that the fanservice scenes in LN should be taken as completely serious since they were written by the same writer. I'm glad that Aquatope's and Slow Loop's fans aren't like Lycoris Recoil's fans lmao. I've talked about many shippers in general, not just Licorice. If you were here during the Aquatop broadcast, then you might have noticed that there were exactly the same complaints and whining about yuri bait when the show sunk their ships. And even before that, there were people who insulted PAWORKS because by doing all-female without yuri they allegedly "cheat and abuse" yuri fans. |
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TomboyTamer said: RobertBobert said: I've talked about many shippers in general, not just Licorice. If you were here during the Aquatop broadcast, then you might have noticed that there were exactly the same complaints and whining about yuri bait when the show sunk their ships. And even before that, there were people who insulted PAWORKS because by doing all-female without yuri they allegedly "cheat and abuse" yuri fans. Eh really? I've never noticed that before, it might be because they're not as loud as Lycoreco fans. But tbh when I'm watching Aquatope, I never see them as a yuri couple, just a pair of best friend who supporting each other's dream. That is why I say this with such confidence, because I have already seen this with Aquatop. People using "yuri bait" as an excuse for their speculations not being true, trying to call any moments of friendship "yuri codded", etc., to the point of looking for "signs" in illustrations. |
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TomboyTamer said: RobertBobert said: That is why I say this with such confidence, because I have already seen this with Aquatop. People using "yuri bait" as an excuse for their speculations not being true, trying to call any moments of friendship "yuri codded", etc., to the point of looking for "signs" in illustrations. At this point they're just being stupid, can't 2 girls be best friends and not see as a yuri couple? I'm tired of people calling that thing as yuri, it's either my mind is too pure or they're just horny af. It's just that these people are obsessed with yuri as a fetish and basically only watch yuri. And since real yuri anime is pretty scarce, they start fighting for any all-female show or female side characters to justify watching it in their eyes. Read old discussions about shows like Hibike Euphonium. On this show, such trends reached their peak. |
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ttcchen said: Okay so I'm not caught up to this anime but I heard about the controversy regarding the ending and apparently people are getting mad Chisato didn't get together with Takina and I heard some people saying she got together with Majima or something. Is that true?? I don't mind spoilers. What do you think about the controversy? Just ignore them. It's incorrect because the story has not completed yet. |
Divesard said: ttcchen said: Okay so I'm not caught up to this anime but I heard about the controversy regarding the ending and apparently people are getting mad Chisato didn't get together with Takina and I heard some people saying she got together with Majima or something. Is that true?? I don't mind spoilers. What do you think about the controversy? Just ignore them. It's incorrect because the story has not completed yet. As long as they haven't officially announced any sequel, the story is done. There is a chance for a continuation, but it is rather naive to immediately announce this as a fact. |
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