why are MAPPA fans saying they give one of the highest salary and good working condition?

deg said:
i googled this earlier and just found this https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/08/19-1/chainsaw-man-director-looking-for-new-animators-to-train-up-at-mappa-by-offering-full-benefits

it just said there that they are giving good benefits to new hires for CSM project only so not for all MAPPA projects, its obvious they do that because they know CSM will be a huge hit for them anyway

its just damage control from this not so old news
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-07-02/animator-ippei-ichii-says-netflix-anime-produced-at-mappa-paid-bottom-rates/.174701

dont spread fake news MAPPA fans

okaythisiscrazy said:
If he didn't died, then its not a big problem. Many people die from overwork in Japan, in fact it's so common that it even got it's own word ''karoshi'' which means ''to die from overwork'. MAPPA salary is actually the 2nd highest in the industry, so comapred to others, MAPPA is one of the best choice to work at. https://twitter.com/shonenleaks/status/1495950289051865089

deg said:


the source of your tweet is the CrunchyRoll article i posted so read it carefully bro

okaythisiscrazy said:
I ain’t reading all that lil bro

deg said:


then youre spreading fake news

okaythisiscrazy said:
Their salary is still high comapared to other garbage studios like A1 Wit or Cloverworks.

okaythisiscrazy said:
Their salary is still high comapared to other garbage studios like A1 Wit or Cloverworks.

deg said:


its not all of them just new hires for CSM project

AnimeWeebMan said:

This mans speech is still better than hearing something from psycho goku

deg said:


its fake news though because he is claiming ALL MAPPA projects have high salaries for staff which is wrong

CreepHazard said:
Uhhhhh so
Freelancers are contract based and their salary can fluctuate a lot depending on the project
It's not the same for In-House monthly salary animators who get a fixed salary for almost all projects. This is how employment generally works
MAPPA has a pretty high salary for their In-House staff (permanent) compared to other studios, and the number of employees you see on Google is also the number of Permanent Employees.

deg said:


how many are freelance animators working on their anime projects and how many are in-house animators working in their anime projects? afaik KyoAni and Ufotable are the only studio relying solely on their in-house animators so no freelance animators hired by them

IdeZ233 said:

thats cap btw im pretty sure they get help too so pls do your research first

deg said:
i googled this earlier and just found this https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/08/19-1/chainsaw-man-director-looking-for-new-animators-to-train-up-at-mappa-by-offering-full-benefits

it just said there that they are giving good benefits to new hires for CSM project only so not for all MAPPA projects, its obvious they do that because they know CSM will be a huge hit for them anyway

its just damage control from this not so old news
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-07-02/animator-ippei-ichii-says-netflix-anime-produced-at-mappa-paid-bottom-rates/.174701

dont spread fake news MAPPA fans

LIVI___ said:

Yusuke was released on 28th April, and the news about the change in policy was on August.

why using outdated source? It makes you look dumber

deg said:


how many are freelance animators working on their anime projects and how many are in-house animators working in their anime projects? afaik KyoAni and Ufotable are the only studio relying solely on their in-house animators so no freelance animators hired by them

CreepHazard said:

MAPPA hasn't reached a stage where they can solely rely on an in-house production team yet. The recent hiring and 'training' that Nakayama talked about are all part of MAPPA's future plans to make it a reality.

Currently they rely more on freelance animators, but that doesn't mean they don't have in-house employees, it's just that most of them aren't 2D production staff. They are mostly non-animation staff, CGI animators and the like.

Also Ufotable and Kyoani do use freelancers, just not that often for core staff so they aren't listed on the staff list on MAL (Nozomu Abe is pretty much a freelancer but he works on close ties with Ufotable)
Plus both these studios have been around for quite a while - Ufotable was founded in 2000 and KyoAni in 1981, whereas MAPPA was founded in 2011. Give them some time to bring up new animators as per their new plans, I'm pretty sure they'll impress us later on

deg said:


if they continue to take on a lot of projects i doubt they can maintain a good in-house staff like KyoAni and Ufotable that only does few anime each year

CreepHazard said:

They can always rely on freelancers for that. Idk why y'all think freelancing is bad.

HoesEatinDogFood said:
I think the only studio that has good working conditions is Kyoto animation. Might be wrong tho

deg said:


the source of your tweet is the CrunchyRoll article i posted so read it carefully bro because its only for this CSM project and not ALL MAPPA projects plus only for new hires

deg said:


not saying its bad because its standard practice but just saying its not up to standards of better maintained studios like KyoAni and Ufotable

deg said:
@racers551

i know very well that freelance animators especially works on multiple projects at the same time

also about Netflix and MAPPA actually MAPPA denies that Netflix is the cause of the low pay -> However, MAPPA said in its statement on Wednesday that the anime was not a project ordered by a "major platform," but the latest work in an existing TV series, and one which it was already planning. MAPPA offered the upcoming anime for distribution to a "major platform," with production beginning after the sale price and then the budget of the show was finalized. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-07-07/mappa-comments-on-animator-pay-rates-in-statement/.174918

racers551 said:

Yeah, I'm not saying MAPPA is in the right for that. It's really gross.

But your point about, "Oh yeah, they're just going to work on chainsaw man, and nothing else" feels a bit strange. It's a studio, just because chainsaw man is their show, doesn't mean MAPPA isn't hiring for all those positions, or they're not going to need more staff for their studio. Why would anyone work on another show if they didn't have comparable rates?

In fact, the director said, Ryu Nakayama, that if you only want to work on chainsaw man, you might as well just work freelance, because it's a better option. They're wanting to have a huge team that could work on all sorts of projects in the near and far future. So your point about it being only for chainsaw man is dumb, because even the team with seshimo, the anip for chainsaw man, is working on Jujutsu Kaisen while working on chainsaw man.

deg said:
i googled this earlier and just found this https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/08/19-1/chainsaw-man-director-looking-for-new-animators-to-train-up-at-mappa-by-offering-full-benefits

it just said there that they are giving good benefits to new hires for CSM project only so not for all MAPPA projects, its obvious they do that because they know CSM will be a huge hit for them anyway

its just damage control from this not so old news
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-07-02/animator-ippei-ichii-says-netflix-anime-produced-at-mappa-paid-bottom-rates/.174701

dont spread fake news MAPPA fans

racers551 said:

You said that it's only for chainsaw man, right here.

Which is disproven by the director himself, who said if you want to work on chainsaw man, just work freelance, like Yen BM is.

deg said:


said there that they are giving good benefits to new hires (aka new animators) for CSM project only though and not for talented freelance animators at all

racers551 said:

Freelancers don't get the amazing benefits that contracted or in house workers do, big surprise.

Why do you think so many good animators are trying to get contracts? It's so they can have a stable source of income.

Most companies who hire freelancers pay them by the cut. The in house animators at mappa, which has been growing thanks to that increase in pay, as well as them working on popular projects, are paid every month.

deg said:


you get the point freelancers are exploited and MAPPA relies on freelancers more than their in-house staff

racers551 said:

But what does this have to do with mappa's in house team, which has been expanded in recent months, with the opening of a cgi studio, as well as the 2nd division, which is what you're talking about?

Also, like I said, freelancing in of itself isn't bad, they're not given the same kind of workload by one studio that the in house animators do, because they're not paid by the month. That's why freelancers have to constantly find work to live, because they've got to work on getting their name out there for a contract.

Though the work on AOT was difficult just because of the character designs. If they had more simplified character designs, it would be a lot easier to make the show.

deg said:


so you think MAPPA will become like KyoAni and Ufotable doing all with their in-house staff and not hire freelancers? and like will they do only 1-2 anime each year like those 2 role model studios?

racers551 said:

I mean, I hope so, but I think really MAPPA is just more of a trend setter that the anime industry follows. Kind of like the Apple of the anime industry.

MAPPA produced 8 shows in 2020, with most shows being extremely high production value wise, even for aot season 4 part 1, and what do you know, even small studios like LIDENFILMS started to do the same, by making a shit ton of adaptations, but they were meh, and thanks to covid wrecking most of their shows in 2021, most shows were pretty low quality, but high quantity. More studios followed suit with that, with Silver Link and other companies reaching out to produce as many shows as they could, while delivering a level of quality.

MAPPA, in 2021, started focusing hardcore on the staff and productions in house, and it was a disaster crediting wise, but they still managed to deliver a great quality experience from their shows. Follow most of the anime industry, like JC staff that exclusively functioned off of outsourcing for many of their shows, fighting to make their shows in house for the first time in years, if not decades.

Flash forward to this year, and now the industry has basically followed MAPPA's footsteps, in trying to deliver quantity and quality at the same time, and while MAPPA has been, while not comfortable, beyond the point where every show they're making is a hot mess credits wise, Wit is making a lot of different, although small, projects that have a lot of expectations, and after making Bubble, the wit team was drafted onto making spy x family with cloverworks. Cloverworks has been facing numerous problems with their productions in order to deliver on their shows, though thats more related to the A-1 umbrella under Sony than just mappa themselves.

deg said:


so you think MAPPA will become like KyoAni and Ufotable doing all with their in-house staff and not hire freelancers? and like will they do only 1-2 anime each year like those 2 role model studios?

racers551 said:

Also, not hiring freelancers isn't necessarily a good thing. Most of Ufotable's best directors aren't in house, but freelance. Beyond Shirai, Miura, and Suhara, most of their great directors don't work with them anymore.

Freelance=/= bad. It's only really when they rely on freelancers to carry productions when it's bad, and not with the pay to match.

deg said:


ah well reminds me of this tweet https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/1408104169475645443

deg said:


regular employees have more benefits thats the most important part though i guess KyoAni is still the sole role model studio and Ufotable is just semi or second place

racers551 said:

I mean, Kyoani still has freelancers.

Funnily enough, though, MAPPA has far higher pay then most of the industry, even if their benefits are less than kyoani/toei.

deg said:


so you think MAPPA will become like KyoAni and Ufotable doing all with their in-house staff and not hire freelancers? and like will they do only 1-2 anime each year like those 2 role model studios?

deg said:


sources for that? because this is what i got for KyoAni -> Unlike most animation studios, the company's employees are salaried rather than freelance workers, and are trained in-house.[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Animation

racers551 said:

Their pay is far higher, which the Crunchyroll article points out.

Think Kyoani is about 1k USD under the pay for mappa.