why do i find that a lot of people dislike part 2

Okay you have issues regarding Lena's outfit

comissioned officer

Regarding Shin, not a single person looked at him and said "wow he is so cool". More like "wow, how does he not just collapse with all that shit he has to go through".

Also, it's quite unfair to compare a finished anime to a anime which only has 1 season that only adapts an ongoing LN first 3 volume where the LN has like 11. volume published already and it's till ongoing....

WTDYM that it's a non-existent world. We had a world war where a country similarly deemed an entire race of people undesirable and committed a huge genocide. The show is heavily inspired by 2nd world war and San Magnolia consists of elements from an Axis and Ally country according to the author Asato Asato.
86 delves into racism quite deeply. It shows how interpersonal, individual, cultural, economical, and structural racism can affect people who are under it, and basically make it. Then the show goes on to how the victims are not free from racism ideology as well, since they are racist towards their aggressors too.

Literally, all your questions regarding Shin's power, the Legion and the countries are answered in the LN that the anime has not adapted yet. Once again you are being unfair to an anime that's not finished yet.

To make things clear, I said this out to make assertion on my central point that I've said before in this thread :
"In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war."

What I meant on battleground is exactly the imgur picture you attached (the aftermath of Shin vs Kiriya). Well yes it's not exactly a fashioned high heels but it looks like a high heels. The purpose of high heels are to give you higher height, so what's the purpose here rather than boosting Lena's appearance?

In those pictures you gave, they looked different than Lena's outfit. Lena's outfit made her boobs to stand out (the white part on her chest) and that high stocking stuff, I thought this was for waifu bait and for this to succeed you need to create the female appearance to be sexy. I admit her skirt wasn't as short as I remembered, but that changes nothing.

Lena is Mary Sue. You can argue that she isn't because she once fail to lead the squadron, but so what? She overcome it easily and yay happy outcome. Let me just fall down from my high position because I know what is right and I'm willing to sacrifice my comfort for it yes let's go ideal world, wait actually not for ideal world but so I could meet Shin and yay viewers be happy LOL. Figure like this does exist in real world, I know that, but here Lena is characteristically flawless.

In those pictures you gave, they looked different than Lena's outfit. Lena's outfit made her boobs to stand out (the white part on her chest) and that high stocking stuff, I thought this was for waifu bait and for this to succeed you need to create the female appearance to be sexy. I admit her skirt wasn't as short as I remembered, but that changes nothing.

I tried to search this and again, looks different than Lena's outfit which is quite sexually appealing.

he basic reason of why war happens is because there is CONFLICT OF INTEREST and that wasn't shown here. You can argue it will be explained on the later part but the direction of 86 was not guiding you to ask the mystery behind the world. We are given current context about the war but more focusing on the characters must function under racism and not how war, politic really works in their world. It's not really wrong, you can use setting to utilize the characters writing (though I prefer for them to at least elaborate the basic elements) but the problem with 86 is that characters were not good at all and didn't presents any value, at least to me.

Shin's portrayal of PTSD is inorganic. His brother who is known as a love caring person suddenly chokes Shin and told him to die because he was under stress of war? What is this for? For Shin's characterization but that's not the point, because what matter is the shock factor to give tension to viewers, to make the viewers sympathize with Shin despite how lazy the writing is. Ohhh so this is why Shin can act stoically inhumane where his friends are laughing and having fun, he has trauma uhh so cool. He must be hurt psychologically to end his friends life after knowing this but still he is so cool damn who cares about that lets add a loli with generic annoying but loving troupe and out of place blabbering to cheer your day, lol.

I'm talking based on my experience. 2 of my ex-classmates love 86 and yes I did talk about it with them as "What made you like 86 etc" but I don't hear them talking about Shin's character writing rather than yeah he's cool bad ass etc. I will not talk about the trivial unimportant detail how I got in this situation but there are a lot of 86 fans student in my current university and they did have a huge talk about it. Again, what they are talking is how cool Shin is since he was similar to Ayanokoji and how sexy + hot Lena is and how the ending comfort their hearts as Shin met Lena.

You can argue, "not everyone scrutinizes the writing, sometimes they just want to chill." That's true and I have no problem with people who likes 86, but what I'm trying to say is how substanceless 86 is, emotionally deceiving people with surface level writing (I'll get into this later with replying your later points). Once again there is nothing wrong if people got deceived emotionally and turns them to like something, go for it.

What I meant by non-existent world is not this kind of thing doesn't exist in real life, but the world building is just very very lazy 86 simply gives an IDEA (one is racist dystopian and one is anti-racism + more supporting) and didn't try to explore the world, the world didn't feel like a world. It's like having a pretty laid back talk with your friend about surface topics regarding war.

I can't understand your point about racism (or I assume for the bigger picture, war) in 86 is quite deeply explored. 86 only tickles a generic topic about war. Season 1 is simply about surface level cause of discrimination and little stakes viewing war and on season 2 the narrative changes to shows the impact of war and it's consequences for human in a very vapid way for your mind to think about. Why in a vapid way? Back to my central point :
"In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war."
Events are just a build up for this. Yes they may matter but my central point is what matter the most in 86 for the viewers, hence why you don't need to put quality in the writing like gives variation through out the story or building an interesting world or even depicting war in not a juvenile way. War that seems to be the primary theme of 86 by watching the first episode iis just an additional spice to make things look cooler here.

Sure, but Shin's power doesn't suit with the setting in my opinion when it was introduced, felt like a bad plot device so your boy could beat some metal ass. The Legion part is acceptable, I understand this is the job of the next seasons but check my point about 86 direction if you have forgotten. For the countries I don't even care anymore. In the first 2 seasons they failed to build San Magnolia and Giad properly, check my previous point on 86's world building.

So all in all this is just simply not true. The whole first part was dedicated to strip Lena down her flawed characterizations like she being:
- too nice
- too naive
- being racist without her knowing/acknowledging it.
She struggles constantly because of naivety throughout the story since she always tries to reason why the 86 should be kept alive and tried to do things by the book, and not realizing constantly that it's just futile. At the end of part 1 when she just uses the mortals, she even says that she should have done this in the first place.

Okay, first of all conflict of interest. Well this one is interesting. Conflict of interest can be quite complicated 4D mental chess, or really simple one like "You have X land/resourse, I want that, so I will take it." The funny thing is it's irrelevant. Because the start of the war happened 9 years ago, and the one who declared war, the Empire of Giad and their rulers and everybody who is responsible of this war is long dead. Doesn't matter what was their initial goal, since they are no longer in charge and the 86 and Lena are not fighting against. They are fighting against he Legion who has totally different goals. It's not explored YET, because it's part of the mystery that the MC-s and the reader has to figure out.

Regarding the PTSD... well I don't want to go there, but are you a certified psychologist or psychiatrist with a PhD that can make such claims on PTSD whether the portrayal is "inorganic" or not? All I can say is that there was a veteran soilder on reddit who watched 86 and gave his opinion of the depiction of war and ptsd and mental effects of war and he found quite astonishing.

"From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit."

You can read more here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EightySix/comments/q6nk29/86_through_the_eyes_of_a_combat_vet/

Regarding the choking is to set a mystery. If you remember when they were talking about Rei you got two different person and personality. From Shin's perspective a vengeful ghost who wants to hunt him down and kill him for what he did. And from Lena's perspective that he is a caring person who loves his brother and saved an Alba girl from certain death. You got two polars which sets up the conflict and some interesting tension between Lena and Shin since when they were talking about Rei you, the viewer felt that something is not right.

And I am basing mine on constantly participating on discussions regarding the anime weekly episodes here on MAL, reading almost every comment. Also watching reaction videos on YouTubers for every single episode and finally watching YouTubers who made 10-20 minutes of videos breaking down every single episode on a weekly basis. I would recommend you to watch

Before I say anything I need to make something clear. You seem to lack some background info regarding 86, so I will make this clear for you. The first LN volume was written by Asato Asato and it was written for a Light novel contest (which it won, but that's not important right now). The contest had some rules, that the story that's submitted must be a story on its own and cannot be part of something bigger. This means that the first LN (first 11 episodes in the anime) is not really about world-building and does not build many side characters since an LN has about 200-250 pages to work with. This is why the first 11 episodes can feel like this.

BUT, here is a big BUT. Once it got serialized these issues you are referencing just do not exist anymore. Unfortunately, the part that fixes these are not adopted yet. LN 4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 still happening in San Magnolia/Giad and the other 2 countries and side characters actually have stories and thing with them.
I agree part 1 has some issues with the side characters not having so much spotlight, since it's mostly about Lena growing into the person she is in part 2, and part 2 kinda tries to fix the side character issue by giving more time to Raiden, Theo, Anju and Kurena, but that part is mostly about Shin and basically about him finding a purpose in life. And as I said we have many many more LN that's waiting to be adapted where all of your complaints could be fixed. You are being unfair demanding answers to all your questions in the first 23 episodes while there are like 4 times more material out there more details regarding side-characters, the world, the enemy and many many other things.

Now for Shin. Well espers are constantly are portrayed in Sci-fi. It's not an unusual combination. If you feel that it doesn't suit, it means you might need to watch more Sci-fi.

Starcraft has them (Ghosts)
Railgun has them
Steins;Gate has it

Shin and Frederica are espers and there will be more espers in the story. The source of their powers and the story regarding the heritage of having esper powers....well once again is explored later in the LN which is not yet adapted.

For my take on Lena being Mary Sue, I knew and I agree she wasn't full text book Mary Sue but she has a lot of Mary Sue traits so I included her to be Mary Sue in my own view. I personally dislike character with this traits and not deconstructing them to be more interesting, so I just generalize them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrfhQbY0K8

My point is still the same as the previous. To me I don't feel like the show tries to elevate the mystery making the viewers questioning those things because 86 was more character driven and likes to show more dumb things to chill the tension (just look at the style of the direction) but yeah this is subjective, I can't prove you wrong if you felt push to question the mysteries.

I can't open Reddit since my country blocked it but from what you have said then I'll admit I was wrong.

I forgot that the choking is to set a mystery, but this just strengthens my other point on how 86 was too focusing on Shin and Lena. The world is just centering them and their dynamic.

I see, then I'll just have to see them with my own eyes when they got adapted. However this still doesn't change my thoughts on how poor the world building is in part 1 and 2 and basically character besides Shin and Lena are just one-dimensional with sole purpose to boost main character's characterization or simply comic relief and most importantly I still think war was never been presented as the actual primary theme in the anime part 1 and part 2.

I don't know what S;G you are talking about. I have only watched the original and I don't remember any espers. For Toaru series, although I haven't done with Index season 1, it's understandable because espers was a major element building up the setting (along side with sorcerer). My point is that 86 didn't introduce any espers or power regarding this, we just knew ok this is a mechanical world with robots and technology whatsoever. You can argue that the part when Shin's power was introduced foreshadowing this espers stuff but to me it was presented badly, out of context, giving instant power up to Shin.

Aruchemist said:
I don't know about the trend you're talking about but I'll just spit my thoughts about the anime.

86 was never been good. Part 2 deceives you with the dual narrative that didn't portray realistic elements but simply so you could even sympathize more to the cast. World building is literally non existent and again screw the rest of the cast, let's keep centering Shin our cool self-insert and gave him the ability to hear GHOST in FUTURISTIC MECHANICAL setting, wtf. In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war.

Aruchemist said:
@UTMAN I don't see any more reasons to keep the debate because I'm too lazy and 86 wasn't my favorite thing anyway. I admit I do have some wrong points and my memory with 86 wasn't so clear. Thanks for giving me new insights, I enjoyed this discussion.

EXALTED_REVERSE said:
Tf you on about? Part 2 is praised by most. It has one of the best endings in anime