Tokyo Revengers
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Mar 11, 2022 3:36 AM
#1
So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. |
Mar 11, 2022 3:44 AM
#2
Even if the adaption is somewhat better than this but that doesn't mean that anime is going to be good when the source material sucks. |
Mar 11, 2022 4:19 AM
#3
This studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... |
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Mar 11, 2022 4:27 AM
#4
some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont |
Mar 11, 2022 4:39 AM
#5
NoBoDY-5 said: Well, I like the source material (final arc exclusive). But I'm not talking about the show in general, but the visuals itself.Even if the adaption is somewhat better than this but that doesn't mean that anime is going to be good when the source material sucks. |
Mar 11, 2022 4:39 AM
#6
Paja03 said: This studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... They didn't. They were only a part of the production committee and weren't involved in making the Animation at all. |
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Mar 11, 2022 4:41 AM
#7
Paja03 said: Lol heard it was a train wreck. I'm definitely gonna be a manga only when I start Berserk.This studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... |
Mar 11, 2022 4:42 AM
#8
Kasutoro-Kun said: True. But a lot of studio take so many projects at once. They should really opt for quality instead of quantity sometimes, irrespective of the budget.some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont |
Mar 11, 2022 4:55 AM
#9
Paja03 said: This studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... They only co-produced(Like sharing staffs and stuff). Animation was done by other studios called millepense and GEMBA. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:07 AM
#10
BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Okay, the reason it was bad isn't because of the effort, or lack thereof. Tokyo revengers is one of the most popular anime in Japan. The problem is the schedule and the amount of time given to both the director and animators. MAPPA can just overwhelm their amount of overwork with more staff working on their shows. A studio the size of Lidenfilms can't exactly do that. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:08 AM
#11
Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:10 AM
#12
racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:15 AM
#13
Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. |
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Mar 11, 2022 5:18 AM
#14
Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:20 AM
#15
Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao |
Mar 11, 2022 5:22 AM
#16
Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:23 AM
#17
racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. You're just proving my point by pointing out how the person who worked on Tokyo Revengers worked on cowboy bebop. Sometimes studios have the budget for some anime sometimes they don't. Then paying their workers don't mean nothing. There's plenty of companies that pay their workers like garbage but the company itself is worth millions and they're able to use that millions to put into a project while paying their workers trash. Again point stands it's about budget not scheduling you can have the best schedule in the world if you ain't got the money it means nothing. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:24 AM
#18
Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. Budget is definitely an issue again you can have the best scheduling in the world if you ain't got the money to make great animation it don't mean nothing. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:26 AM
#19
Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. You're just proving my point by pointing out how the person who worked on Tokyo Revengers worked on cowboy bebop. Sometimes studios have the budget for some anime sometimes they don't. Then paying their workers don't mean nothing. There's plenty of companies that pay their workers like garbage but the company itself is worth millions and they're able to use that millions to put into a project while paying their workers trash. Again point stands it's about budget not scheduling you can have the best schedule in the world if you ain't got the money it means nothing. What? The guy's being paid the same as he would working on Blue exorcist... |
Mar 11, 2022 5:27 AM
#20
Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. Look at dragon ball super broly movie vs the super show. Movies get a way higher budget than shows. Which is why the broly movie looked incredible and the show looked the way that it did. I rest my case. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:29 AM
#21
racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. You're just proving my point by pointing out how the person who worked on Tokyo Revengers worked on cowboy bebop. Sometimes studios have the budget for some anime sometimes they don't. Then paying their workers don't mean nothing. There's plenty of companies that pay their workers like garbage but the company itself is worth millions and they're able to use that millions to put into a project while paying their workers trash. Again point stands it's about budget not scheduling you can have the best schedule in the world if you ain't got the money it means nothing. What? The guy's being paid the same as he would working on Blue exorcist... You don't get it so let me break it down for you There's the employees and there's the company The employees get paid like garbage The company itself is the one with all the money who are able to give the budget necessary to make great animation You keep bringing up his pay it doesn't matter it's about how much money the studio itself is willing to put into a project to make it look good. |
Mar 11, 2022 5:30 AM
#22
Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. Look at dragon ball super broly movie vs the super show. Movies get a way higher budget than shows. Which is why the broly movie looked incredible and the show looked the way that it did. I rest my case. Lol totally no Dbs also has very high budget but many scenes in Dbs looked bad only because they had totally bad schedule Also broly movie looked better not because they had better budget but because they got more time to animate it unlike super. It's not about budget it's about time That's why seasonal shows are better in terms of animation than long running shows |
Mar 11, 2022 5:30 AM
#23
Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. You're just proving my point by pointing out how the person who worked on Tokyo Revengers worked on cowboy bebop. Sometimes studios have the budget for some anime sometimes they don't. Then paying their workers don't mean nothing. There's plenty of companies that pay their workers like garbage but the company itself is worth millions and they're able to use that millions to put into a project while paying their workers trash. Again point stands it's about budget not scheduling you can have the best schedule in the world if you ain't got the money it means nothing. What? The guy's being paid the same as he would working on Blue exorcist... You don't get it so let me break it down for you There's the employees and there's the company The employees get paid like garbage The company itself is the one with all the money who are able to give the budget necessary to make great animation You keep bringing up his pay it doesn't matter it's about how much money the studio itself is willing to put into a project to make it look good. But... Wit and Ufotable probably pays the same as Lidenfilms, and wit in particular has never invested in a single show they've made, and yet they look good... |
Mar 11, 2022 5:31 AM
#24
Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. Look at dragon ball super broly movie vs the super show. Movies get a way higher budget than shows. Which is why the broly movie looked incredible and the show looked the way that it did. I rest my case. Lol totally no Dbs also has very high budget but many scenes in Dbs looked bad only because they had totally bad schedule Also broly movie looked better not because they had better budget but because they got more time to animate it unlike super. Broly literally had a better budget than the tv show 😂 I'm right you're wrong |
Mar 11, 2022 5:32 AM
#25
racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. No, they don't. I can guarantee you that's not the case. Ufotable pays their workers less than some studios, like Kyoto, MAPPA, again, and Ghibli. Not to mention, the director for Tokyo revengers worked on cowboy bebop as a key animator, as well as Hunter x Hunter and Blue exorcist, so he's not lacking talent there. It's purely on scheduling. And they had probably a year for 24 episodes. You're just proving my point by pointing out how the person who worked on Tokyo Revengers worked on cowboy bebop. Sometimes studios have the budget for some anime sometimes they don't. Then paying their workers don't mean nothing. There's plenty of companies that pay their workers like garbage but the company itself is worth millions and they're able to use that millions to put into a project while paying their workers trash. Again point stands it's about budget not scheduling you can have the best schedule in the world if you ain't got the money it means nothing. What? The guy's being paid the same as he would working on Blue exorcist... You don't get it so let me break it down for you There's the employees and there's the company The employees get paid like garbage The company itself is the one with all the money who are able to give the budget necessary to make great animation You keep bringing up his pay it doesn't matter it's about how much money the studio itself is willing to put into a project to make it look good. But... Wit and Ufotable probably pays the same as Lidenfilms, and wit in particular has never invested in a single show they've made, and yet they look good... You're still talking about pay no one is talking about employee salary stick to the topic bud |
Mar 11, 2022 5:36 AM
#26
Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao I'm not telling "scheduling is the ONLY" But budget isn't the issue here. Look at dragon ball super broly movie vs the super show. Movies get a way higher budget than shows. Which is why the broly movie looked incredible and the show looked the way that it did. I rest my case. Lol totally no Dbs also has very high budget but many scenes in Dbs looked bad only because they had totally bad schedule Also broly movie looked better not because they had better budget but because they got more time to animate it unlike super. Broly literally had a better budget than the tv show 😂 I'm right you're wrong Everyone knows that broly looked better not because of high budget but because animators got more time to animate the anime I'm not going to argue with you Recently even a animator told a famous youtuber that budget isn't the reason that demon slayer looked good. |
Mar 11, 2022 6:33 AM
#27
@Kasutoro-Kun Attack on titan season 4 had higher budget than the previous seasons but visually wise, it lacked of quality. |
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Mar 11, 2022 6:39 AM
#28
Scordolo said: @Kasutoro-Kun Attack on titan season 4 had higher budget than the previous seasons but visually wise, it lacked of quality. Yeah, because of the schedule that was given to them, and part 1, because they sacrificed some of the quality to move to part 2. |
Mar 11, 2022 6:42 AM
#29
racers551 said: Scordolo said: @Kasutoro-Kun Attack on titan season 4 had higher budget than the previous seasons but visually wise, it lacked of quality. Yeah, because of the schedule that was given to them, and part 1, because they sacrificed some of the quality to move to part 2. I was aware of that. I was stating to @Kasutoro-Kun that budget is not always the reason why an Anime has high quality Animation. Even with an Anime having less budget can visually look amazing if it has proper scheduling. |
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Mar 11, 2022 6:43 AM
#30
Scordolo said: racers551 said: Scordolo said: @Kasutoro-Kun Attack on titan season 4 had higher budget than the previous seasons but visually wise, it lacked of quality. Yeah, because of the schedule that was given to them, and part 1, because they sacrificed some of the quality to move to part 2. I was aware of that. I was stating to @Kasutoro-Kun that budget is not always the reason why an Anime has high quality Animation. Even with an Anime having less budget can visually look amazing if it has proper scheduling. Yeah, agreed. On a side note, though, part 2 has been mostly banging. |
Mar 11, 2022 7:30 AM
#31
racers551 said: Well, LIDENFILMS are small compared to some big studios out there. And yeah, you're right...about the scheduling. Tokyo Revengers is popular in Japan; yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is before the anime ever came out.BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Okay, the reason it was bad isn't because of the effort, or lack thereof. Tokyo revengers is one of the most popular anime in Japan. The problem is the schedule and the amount of time given to both the director and animators. MAPPA can just overwhelm their amount of overwork with more staff working on their shows. A studio the size of Lidenfilms can't exactly do that. But the time they do give them can be often small, and I stand to reason that these people shouldn't take up projects that will put directors and animators at the edge of the cliff. Quality over quantity. That's why a studio like Kyoto Animation stand out these days in quality unlike MAPPA or Studio Pierrot. |
Mar 11, 2022 10:08 AM
#32
BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Yeah, I noticed this too. I actually first started watching Ryman's Club (I'm 5 episodes in) and after watching the first episode I was really impressed with the animation. Someone asked if I had watched Tokyo Revengers and after looking it up I was surprised to find out it was the same studio. I binged TR and noticed the inferior animation. The design themselves and style are not bad, but the animation could be improved a lot. Hopefully by being successful as it was, the animation on S2 will be improved. |
Mar 11, 2022 2:09 PM
#33
BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Tokyo Revengers animation was fine lol |
Mar 11, 2022 7:37 PM
#34
SpiderBear-11 said: Me too. There may have been budget or scheduling inadequacy in it, but still an enjoyable show at the end.BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Yeah, I noticed this too. I actually first started watching Ryman's Club (I'm 5 episodes in) and after watching the first episode I was really impressed with the animation. Someone asked if I had watched Tokyo Revengers and after looking it up I was surprised to find out it was the same studio. I binged TR and noticed the inferior animation. The design themselves and style are not bad, but the animation could be improved a lot. Hopefully by being successful as it was, the animation on S2 will be improved. |
Mar 11, 2022 7:42 PM
#35
DoobieSam said: Yeah it was lol. I'm not labelling it "trash". I'm just hinting that LIDENFILMS are really capable of pulling off nice animation. Tokyo Revengers and Ryman's Club just happened to be varying.BigHomieTrapa said: So, I just started watching Ryman's Club, same studio behind Tokyo Revengers. I'm only one episode in and I may be too quick to presume, but from the first episode's animation quality, it surpasses that of Tokyo Revengers overall. It makes me wonder if any effort was placed into it. I mean, I enjoyed its run when it aired. Loved the soundtrack and voice acting, and the first cour had good animation in contrast to Bloody Halloween arc. If they can produce a work like that, why not with Tokyo Revengers, especially when the manga has such great art to it which they could have hoped to capitalise on (or maybe they weren't sure it was gonna be a hit and decided to be lazy lol). The first ten minutes of Ryman's Club got me wondering "LIDENFILMS?! Aren't they behind Tokyo Revengers?" Well, some studios like to delve into different art styles like WIT Studio (Vivy, Ranking of Kings, Seraph of the End). If that was what they were thinking, then that's okay. But irrespective of that, it just seemed lacking. Good, but lacking. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. But if LIDENFILMS are to take up the already announced second season, it'll be nice to see them show seriousness and put their best into it. It really is nice to see such studios come out with nice visuals. Tired of hearing MAPPA, ufotable ALL the time lmao. P.S. MAPPA and ufotable are good. I'm not shading or being toxic on them. Tokyo Revengers animation was fine lol |
Mar 12, 2022 1:31 AM
#36
NoBoDY-5 said: Even if the adaption is somewhat better than this but that doesn't mean that anime is going to be good when the source material sucks. dont watch upcoming seasons as your opinion clearly doesn’t matter for them to continue the anime |
Mar 12, 2022 1:31 AM
#37
Paja03 said: This studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... lidenfilms did not make berserk |
Mar 12, 2022 1:34 AM
#38
Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont it’s not always about budget more often than budget in fact almost always the schedule of the production sucks and that’s why they can’t deliver good animation. i’m almost certain this was also why the animation in tokyo revengers wasn’t as good. |
Mar 12, 2022 1:41 AM
#39
Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. budget is literally probably their least worry if it comes to animation production as the biggest hurdle for the animation is the head companies don’t give good schedules for the production because all they want is to see cash profit out of it as fast as possible. unfortunately those head companies literally don’t care for the state of the production and that is a fact seen by various examples over the years: seven desdly sins s3 & s4, one punch man s2, tokyo ghoul root a, tokyo ghoul re s1 & s2. there’s probably even more but those are ones that came to mind off the top of my head. |
Mar 12, 2022 1:46 AM
#40
Kasutoro-Kun said: Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao schedule is very important in the sense of giving animators enough time to create. now since animators arent paid by time instead by the amount of cuts they make they can’t do a good job if they need to animate a certain scene in a short amount of time. i’m pretty sure the pay is the same for a talented storyboarder and a storyboarder that needs his time to create a good board. |
Mar 13, 2022 11:35 AM
#41
Talent takes a big part in it too. It is not only time and money! Also dedication, skills and creativity. |
FluchiMar 13, 2022 3:05 PM
Mar 13, 2022 2:58 PM
#42
Fluchi said: Yeah, every comes into play.Talent takes a big art in it too. It is not only time and money! Also dedication, skills and creativity. |
Mar 15, 2022 9:21 PM
#43
I think Ryman’s Club is a textbook example of what happens when an anime studio has the resources they need in order to make a good show; original anime absolutely need money, time and a committed staff. Shows like it are rare since it doesn’t rake in the 💴 as it’s an original IP. Tokyo Rev’s animation, while being good and largely inoffensive, just doesn’t “pop” visually in my mind. If it weren’t for this specific post in the first place, I could’ve sworn that it was given the J.C. Staff treatment ( whose shows, while having generally inoffensive visuals, will not stick out as “breathtaking” or “stunning”). Lack of time is, unfortunately, the likely cause of why it looked quite “meh.” Maybe if the talented people at LIDENFILMS had been given more time to sleep and rest to fine tune it, Tokyo Rev would have been a stellar show. |
Mar 17, 2022 7:18 AM
#44
Katsudon-kun said: I reread my post and yeah, I've found some flaws to it. It really is bad on my path to actually gimmick them as being lazy. I actually believe ANY studio, if given the adequate resources and convenient scheduling, can pull off more amazing works in different styles. Irrespective of that, I love Tokyo Revengers more in comparison to Ryman's Club lol. With the already announced Christmas Showdown Arc, and possible profits they've made off the season premiere, I feel if efforts and considerations are taken into place, it'll be a good and better season, and hopefully for some manga fans (like me), will bear fruit for a potential season three and onwards.I think Ryman’s Club is a textbook example of what happens when an anime studio has the resources they need in order to make a good show; original anime absolutely need money, time and a committed staff. Shows like it are rare since it doesn’t rake in the 💴 as it’s an original IP. Tokyo Rev’s animation, while being good and largely inoffensive, just doesn’t “pop” visually in my mind. If it weren’t for this specific post in the first place, I could’ve sworn that it was given the J.C. Staff treatment ( whose shows, while having generally inoffensive visuals, will not stick out as “breathtaking” or “stunning”). Lack of time is, unfortunately, the likely cause of why it looked quite “meh.” Maybe if the talented people at LIDENFILMS had been given more time to sleep and rest to fine tune it, Tokyo Rev would have been a stellar show. |
May 4, 2022 4:52 AM
#45
Kasutoro-Kun said: So true bro, the literal hundreds of industry workers who have stated on multiple occasions that almost every single anime is funded with budget to cover all the necessities of the production and low budget is rarely an issue and doesn't affect animation quality in any way totally have no clue what they're talking about either, you're so right man. Let's all hail the genius who knows the ins and outs of the anime industry, Kasutoro-Kun. Thank you for telling us that all the information we have gotten from people who actually work in the industry is incorrect.Sakuta002766 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: racers551 said: Kasutoro-Kun said: some times studios have the budget to make higher quality animation sometimes they dont Nothing to do with budget. Ufotable's works cost less than MAPPA's attack on titan season 4. The only thing that matters is the scheduling. Lindfilms isn't ufotable who has unlimited budget. Plus it's just facts sometimes studios make anime where they put in a higher budget than others. Sometimes they have a lower budget than others. Lindenfilms is an example of that. They made shows that had way better animation. And scheduling isn't the only thing that matters there's way more that goes into it. Budget, having the actual talent etc etc. Ufotable doesn't have unlimited money They just have good production schedule. When I say unlimited money I don't mean that literally if you think scheduling is the ONLY and MAIN thing that has to do with it and not money sorry you have no clue what you're talking about lmao |
May 7, 2022 10:09 PM
#46
Paja03 said: no the studio who made berserk 2016 isn't the same studio berserk is a team up producion by gemba and misepense lidenstudios just lended them their staffThis studio also made Berserk 2016 soo.... |
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