Can anyone explain me the ideology of King Fritz, Reiss Family, Grisha Yeager, Zeke, and Eren at one place? (NO SPOILERS!)

I_Am_Freeballing said:
What the above post said except Grisha, he does not want to use the Rumbling.

deg said:


ah ye true but maybe Grisha just wants to do a partial rumbling too seeing he wants Eldians to become the supreme race again and be out of slavery

MeVike said:


Grisha never knew anything about the rumbling till moments before his death so that’s definitely not what he wanted. He just wanted his people to be treated like normal human beings.

davinhagnnes said:
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MeVike said:


Grisha never knew anything about the rumbling till moments before his death so that’s definitely not what he wanted. He just wanted his people to be treated like normal human beings.

deg said:


isnt the rumbling part of the myth or old story of the eldian race? the rumbling has been discuss many times in previous seasons anyway

plus Grisha teaches this myth story to Zeke when he was a kid and also know about King Fritz that threaten the world about the rumbling for years too

troilus_05s said:


But he did know that the Founding is very powerful and can be used to defeat Marley.

MeVike said:
that’s true he did, but the point is that he didn’t know what Eren was gonna do.

MeVike said:


That thing is quite different honestly as they’re simply the Titan wars. Fritz using Ymir to conquer places. Ymir dies. Decades later there are 9 titans who wage war against each other. It’s Eldians taking thousands of colossals to destroy humanity. Btw it seems that I wasn’t clear on my answer. Grisha as many others knew what the term rumbling is, but he didn’t know what Eren was gonna do, since he never mentioned any rumbling to him until before he died basically.

deg said:


but Grisha wants to use the founding titan powers to destroy Marley at least so its obvious a partial rumbling can happen

MeVike said:
that’s possible but it was never really confirmed to be that. The main goal of the restorationists was to free eldia, but that was by any means necessary so the possibility of a war is indeed big.

troilus_05s said:


He mentions he wants to overthrow Marley so he certainly wanted to attack Marley. The scale of the attack is not mentioned. I agree with that.

MeVike said:
yes but keep in mind that in this case he can overthrow Marley by just scaring them with thousands of the colossals he has in his disposal. It’s like Armin’s plan to use the rumbling not to attack anyone but to scare the world into leaving the eldians alone. I’m only going by this theory considering that Grisha is really innocent in nature and doesn’t like violence, but if Eren is there to push him, then a massacre will happen for sure.

MeVike said:
yes but keep in mind that in this case he can overthrow Marley by just scaring them with thousands of the colossals he has in his disposal. It’s like Armin’s plan to use the rumbling not to attack anyone but to scare the world into leaving the eldians alone. I’m only going by this theory considering that Grisha is really innocent in nature and doesn’t like violence, but if Eren is there to push him, then a massacre will happen for sure.

siddharthgautam said:
I got so confused and spoiled to a point that it got totally messed up, please explain me the basic ideology of above mentioned like what was their goal, what they wanted to happen?
Note - I've seen till S4 part 2 E4 (No spoilers!)

certifiedbinger said:
Zeke has adopted Ksaver's ideology, revolving around 'euthanising' themselves out of guilt and eventually dying out, without any bloodshed. Zeke's agendas could be confusing because he lied about his motives in Part 1, saying he wanted Eldia's liberation and wanted to keep the world at bay with the rumbling's threat. His true motives are just ending the cycle and bringing about peace.

King Fritz had a similar outlook, but different methods. He also seeked to end the bloodshed and the cycle, so he just bailed behind the walls and essentially waited for his own people's annihilation. He also had the same feelings of intense guilt over Eldia's atrocities, and felt they had it coming. He threatened Marley with the Rumbling, although he knew full well they'd attack once they figured out a plan, or had enough technological advancements. He just wanted a brief period of peace before the ultimate destruction of his people. Until the day of judgement, he swore off war, and forced his ideology onto all future Founding Titan inheritors, or the true Kings of the walls.

Grisha is more of a ragdoll. He had this intense hatred for Marley and wanted his people's liberation more than anything. Major part of it was conduced by his sister's death. He was thrown into this fray by Kruger, who may or may not have been influenced by Eren's memories himself. After episode 4's revelations, we know he was being shoved around by Eren, influenced by his memories. He's a slave to the story more than anything. His true ideologies never truly evolved beyond liberating his people and restoring the nation of Eldia.

As for Eren, you'll know soon enough.

deg said:


ah ye true but maybe Grisha just wants to do a partial rumbling too seeing he wants Eldians to become the supreme race again and be out of slavery