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Jan 11, 2022 8:46 AM
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There is one thing which I didn't undertstand or I'm not 100% sure of.

In the end Okabe fakes Kurise's death this leads to the steins gate world or best world without the death of kurise, mayuri, no ww3 and no dystopy. But as Okabe fakes the death he triggers his old self or his episode 1 self to send the d-mail and do all the same things that he did (e.g. ep. 1-22.) So can we say that at the end we see a 'different' Okabe(=basically not the okabe which we saw the whole time but the okabe who saw the fake death of Kurise) and Kurise who just remembers that Okabe saved her from her dad?

Or to summarize: the Okabe we see at the end with Kurise, is basically not the same Okabe who we saw the whole time? Is that correct?
Jan 11, 2022 9:02 AM
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The okabe who entered stiens gate time-line is the okabe we were following from the start and the one who faked kurisu's death
your forgetting okabe has reading steiner ability
Jan 11, 2022 9:06 AM
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There is only one okabe i think since he has that ability.
Jan 11, 2022 9:08 AM
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Yabuki47 said:
There is one thing which I didn't undertstand or I'm not 100% sure of.

In the end Okabe fakes Kurise's death this leads to the steins gate world or best world without the death of kurise, mayuri, no ww3 and no dystopy. But as Okabe fakes the death he triggers his old self or his episode 1 self to send the d-mail and do all the same things that he did (e.g. ep. 1-22.) So can we say that at the end we see a 'different' Okabe(=basically not the okabe which we saw the whole time but the okabe who saw the fake death of Kurise) and Kurise who just remembers that Okabe saved her from her dad?

Or to summarize: the Okabe we see at the end with Kurise, is basically not the same Okabe who we saw the whole time? Is that correct?


The okabe at the end is the okabe we saw the whole time and the okabe who saw the fake death, is on an other timeline.
Jan 11, 2022 9:25 AM
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Now I'm a little more confused. I understand that Okabe faked Kurise's death to trick fate etc. but as he did it, the d-mail got send again by Episode 1 Okabe and he will do everything again or am I false? I think I'm a little bit lost.πŸ˜…

To clarify: as he faked the death, the other Okabe who think Kurise died, will do everything again, and that's what I don't really get. I think that there is somehow no point for the fake death because the other Okabe will again send the d-mail.
Yabuki47Jan 11, 2022 9:29 AM
Jan 11, 2022 9:33 AM
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Yabuki47 said:
Now I'm a little more confused. I understand that Okabe faked Kurise's death to trick fate etc. but as he did it, the d-mail got send again by Episode 1 Okabe and he will do everything again or am I false? I think I'm a little bit lost.πŸ˜…

To clarify: as he faked the death, the other Okabe who think Kurise died, will do everything again, and that's what I don't really get. I think that there is somehow no point for the fake death because the other Okabe will again send the d-mail.

That's the point of for doing the fake death
Eventually that other okabe will do the same thing
Which results in endless repeat
Jan 11, 2022 9:46 AM
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Akitokamisen said:
Yabuki47 said:
Now I'm a little more confused. I understand that Okabe faked Kurise's death to trick fate etc. but as he did it, the d-mail got send again by Episode 1 Okabe and he will do everything again or am I false? I think I'm a little bit lost.πŸ˜…

To clarify: as he faked the death, the other Okabe who think Kurise died, will do everything again, and that's what I don't really get. I think that there is somehow no point for the fake death because the other Okabe will again send the d-mail.

That's the point of for doing the fake death
Eventually that other okabe will do the same thing
Which results in endless repeat



So in the steins gate world: Okabe remembers everything ofc because of the reading steiner. But Kurise knows Okabe only because he saved her from the father. Is that right? And mayuri and the gaming guy don't know of the days with Kurise and stuff right?
Jan 11, 2022 9:50 AM
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Yes, just like every other time they change the past, everyone is different and only people with reading steiner (Okabe) can remember the alternative version, but it's only memories, not things that actually happened to them

Steins;Gate and AoT good
Demon Slayer bad
Jan 11, 2022 9:53 AM
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Yabuki47 said:
Akitokamisen said:

That's the point of for doing the fake death
Eventually that other okabe will do the same thing
Which results in endless repeat



So in the steins gate world: Okabe remembers everything ofc because of the reading steiner. But Kurise knows Okabe only because he saved her from the father. Is that right? And mayuri and the gaming guy don't know of the days with Kurise and stuff right?


Everyone can remember what happened (its just buried in there deepest memories they can remember to certain extend ) example the daughter of ctv shop guy who time leaped 15 years who kills okabe in the future
Jan 11, 2022 10:03 AM
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Akitokamisen said:
Yabuki47 said:



So in the steins gate world: Okabe remembers everything ofc because of the reading steiner. But Kurise knows Okabe only because he saved her from the father. Is that right? And mayuri and the gaming guy don't know of the days with Kurise and stuff right?


Everyone can remember what happened (its just buried in there deepest memories they can remember to certain extend ) example the daughter of ctv shop guy who time leaped 15 years who kills okabe in the future


I know that they can remember a little bit of what happened at other timelines (like Mayuri remembers her many deaths) but I'm speaking of the 'normal' point I guess. If we take the fragments of what they can remember away, theoretically they (mayuri/ gaming guy etc.) don't know of any interaction between them and Kurise. And Kurise knows Okabe just for the rescue of her dad. Is that right or false? I know that they will probably remember many things later but I'm speaking of what they know right now, without any memories of other timelines.

And sry I didn't get what u wrote. Which daughter do u mean? Do u probably mean shining finger?
Jan 11, 2022 10:06 AM
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Ah nvm I thing I got it now thanks to nf58k. Thanks guys.
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Yabuki47 said:
Akitokamisen said:


Everyone can remember what happened (its just buried in there deepest memories they can remember to certain extend ) example the daughter of ctv shop guy who time leaped 15 years who kills okabe in the future


I know that they can remember a little bit of what happened at other timelines (like Mayuri remembers her many deaths) but I'm speaking of the 'normal' point I guess. If we take the fragments of what they can remember away, theoretically they (mayuri/ gaming guy etc.) don't know of any interaction between them and Kurise. And Kurise knows Okabe just for the rescue of her dad. Is that right or false? I know that they will probably remember many things later but I'm speaking of what they know right now, without any memories of other timelines.

And sry I didn't get what u wrote. Which daughter do u mean? Do u probably mean shining finger?

Nevermind forget it
It's is implied that kurisu remembers okabe from the other time lines as well
Just watch last 5-6 mins of this video
https://youtu.be/NJpRLo3U0WI
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Jan 11, 2022 11:47 AM

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Unfortunately, S;G's ending has some plotholes, there are a few headcanon explanations to fill them, this reddit post summarizes these really well: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/icxf1j/explaining_the_ending_of_steinsgate_a_definitive/
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Jan 11, 2022 1:01 PM
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The Okabe at the end is the Okabe that the Okabe we follow in the series tricked into seeing Kurisu dead
Jan 11, 2022 2:14 PM
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okabe from episode 1 saw the "fake" Makise dead, because of that he entered an eternal loop where he tries to save Makise...
the last episode was kind of a prologue to the first one, showing how Makise got there and how everything was repeated
Jan 11, 2022 7:39 PM
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Yabuki47 said:
Now I'm a little more confused. I understand that Okabe faked Kurise's death to trick fate etc. but as he did it, the d-mail got send again by Episode 1 Okabe and he will do everything again or am I false? I think I'm a little bit lost.πŸ˜…

To clarify: as he faked the death, the other Okabe who think Kurise died, will do everything again, and that's what I don't really get. I think that there is somehow no point for the fake death because the other Okabe will again send the d-mail.
no because after he goes back to the first timeline to save mayuri, that’s when everything works out, because kurise is there now.
Jan 11, 2022 8:09 PM
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Yabuki47 said:
There is one thing which I didn't undertstand or I'm not 100% sure of.

In the end Okabe fakes Kurise's death this leads to the steins gate world or best world without the death of kurise, mayuri, no ww3 and no dystopy. But as Okabe fakes the death he triggers his old self or his episode 1 self to send the d-mail and do all the same things that he did (e.g. ep. 1-22.) So can we say that at the end we see a 'different' Okabe(=basically not the okabe which we saw the whole time but the okabe who saw the fake death of Kurise) and Kurise who just remembers that Okabe saved her from her dad?

Or to summarize: the Okabe we see at the end with Kurise, is basically not the same Okabe who we saw the whole time? Is that correct?


The reason the d-mail was found by SERN was because it was sent to the past and predicted Kurisu's death. The VN explains it a lot better. But because she doesn't die, even when Okabe sends the d-mail, it isn't intercepted by SERN, so they don't move to the alpha attractor field. In addition, getting the metal Upa before Mayuri does prevents Kurisu from putting it in the envelope with her time travel paper, which means that when Nakabachi steals it, it gets burned in the cargo hold of his plane rather than surviving with him. That's my understanding of it.
Jan 12, 2022 3:08 AM
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Have you watched Steins; Gate 0???
Jan 12, 2022 6:16 AM
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DavI_MatheuS said:
okabe from episode 1 saw the "fake" Makise dead, because of that he entered an eternal loop where he tries to save Makise...
the last episode was kind of a prologue to the first one, showing how Makise got there and how everything was repeated

Actually, Makise was actually dead in the 1st episode, as far as I'm aware, the scream we hear in episode 1 is from another Okabe from a different iteration, it's not the Okabe from Steins;Gate nor Steins;Gate 0, it's a different one, the scream is even different than the one we saw from Okabe in episode 23 and 24.

Anyway, you can easily tell that Makise was dead there because of the Metal Oopa from episode 1, if Makise was "faking" her death then we would see the Green Oopa in episode 1 instead.

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Have you watched Steins; Gate 0???

Doesn't matter, Steins;Gate 0 is not really needed to understand Steins;Gate, the anime of Steins;Gate 0 barely answers any questions, on the contrary, it adds more questions to the equation.

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