Can the AOT fans explain some of my questions about the story?

Oct 23, 2021 4:04 AM

Offline

Jul 2014

Okay, to let you know where I am coming from with this, I recently finished Season 4 (part 1) of the anime. I used to be a big fan of Attack on Titan during Season 1, but drifted away from the series when season 2 was airing, because I thought the writing got awfully sloppy and most of the plot revelations started to feel very unsatisfying to me. Only just recently did I decide to tough it out and catch up with the show that I once loved so dearly.

I am not here to pick a fight, so please be respectful. These were just some things that I was confused by while going through the series. A lot of the questions I originally had I already found answers to, while skimming through the series' wiki, but some pretty big ones still remain. I was wondering if people better versed with the story could explains some of these things to me. Most of these were just tiny dents to my enjoyment, but there are some pretty big ones as well.

I've never read the manga in it's entirety - I always preferred the presentation of the story in the anime version. Maybe some of these questions have been answered there, in the very last chapters. I don't mind spoilers since I don't really feel attached to the AOT story anymore.

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
The fear of accidentally blowing up the host of the Founding Titan makes sense here.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps acquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
I had missed the part where Kenny speculates that the wrong method of consumption most likely caused the form to be out of control.
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
The spinal fluid consumption rule basically explained this. Somehow, in my head, I had only connected it to the serum and not the transfer of the titan powers.
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

EDIT: I slashed out the stuff that's been cleared up.
EDIT2: I'll hold off on slashing out more stuff to not make the questions too annoying to read. Most of my curiosity has been satisfied and some of this stuff does appear to be justifiable through some plot details or through theories born from those plot details. Still, if you feel like you got some insights towards this stuff, feel free to post :)

GraineOct 24, 2021 4:28 AM

Oct 23, 2021 4:17 AM

removed-user

Offline

Jul 2018

561792

I can answer all of em but too lazy so I'll pass

Oct 23, 2021 4:17 AM

Jevasamy

Offline

Apr 2021

603

Graine said:
Okay, to let you know where I am coming from with this, I recently finished Season 4 (part 1) of the anime. I used to be a big fan of Attack on Titan during Season 1, but drifted away from the series when season 2 was airing, because I thought the writing got awfully sloppy and most of the plot revelations started to feel very unsatisfying to me. Only just recently did I decide to tough it out and catch up with the show that I once loved so dearly.

I am not here to pick a fight, so please be respectful. These were just some things that I was confused by while going through the series. A lot of the questions I originally had I already found answers to, while skimming through the series' wiki, but some pretty big ones still remain. I was wondering if people better versed with the story could explains some of these things to me. Most of these were just tiny dents to my enjoyment, but there are some pretty big ones as well.

I've never read the manga in it's entirety - I always preferred the presentation of the story in the anime version. Maybe some of these questions have been answered there, in the very last chapters. I don't mind spoilers since I don't really feel attached to the AOT story anymore.

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps aquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

Well about Marley and paradise ... Its like ww2 . Its basically 1 ww1 , ww2 .... combo

Oct 23, 2021 4:18 AM

Eren_Jeager07

Offline

May 2021

I am not reading all of that

Oct 23, 2021 4:21 AM

Jevasamy

Offline

Apr 2021

603

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps aquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

Its too complicated even for manga readers and anime watchers

Oct 23, 2021 4:28 AM

HonorPrompt

Offline

Jun 2020

143

I’ll try to answer as much as I can but most of these questions have been explained in the show already lol. Historia got memories after killing her father because of the Royale blood they shared. They only rarely execute people with Titan serum, it has to be a very bad crime. Eren said this to his father either A. On the way to the forest or B. Because future Eren was controlling him with the power of the Founding Titan. The first Titan (Ymir) created the colosal titans in the walls. Rod Reiss got turned into a huge Titan because of the very sloppy intake of the serum. It has to be a clean injection to get the Titans we see when it’s done with an injection. Otherwise you’ll get a very deformed Titan like rod was turned into therefore they can’t make multiple titans with one dose of serum. They didn’t use the colosal titans explosion incase of accidentally killing the founding titan. The farmer really did commit suicide, using their real names wouldn’t have mattered since they weren’t from there. One look on their background and they would’ve been exposed anyway. They joined the military in hopes of finding titans that they used in their army. And finally they used kids because of how young their body’s were, they would’ve created stronger titans that would’ve been 10x better than an experienced adults Titan. I hope this answered your questions lol sorry if I missed anything :)

Oct 23, 2021 4:31 AM

bernkastelrika

Offline

Aug 2020

229

i want to answer your questions but im too lazy, sorry.

i suggest you to asking this to reddit or twitter aot community.

Oct 23, 2021 4:49 AM

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

Chota_Itachi said:
I can answer all of em but too lazy so I'll pass

Eren_Jeager07 said:
I am not reading all of that

Why do you guys even make a post then? :D

Because future Eren was controlling him with the power of the Founding Titan.

I don't get why "future Eren" would ever make him say that. Remember, that we learn later that he and his father have basically only exchanged couple of sentences after reuniting after Shiganshina.

They only rarely execute people with Titan serum

How are there enough titans to flood the confines of Wall Maria so quickly then? Even if none of them stayed outside, seems like a lot of ground to cover, so there has to be quite a few, right?

They didn’t use the colosal titans explosion incase of accidentally killing the founding titan.

Hmm, this is a pretty good explanation for it.

using their real names wouldn’t have mattered since they weren’t from there

This was kind of my point. What if their surnames are something that have never existed within the walls? Think of a Japanese person infiltrating, let's say, North Korea and still using a name like "Suzuki" or "Tanaka". Might raise some eyebrows.

Anyways, thanks for the answers, man. Glad that someone bothered going through all that
:)

GraineOct 23, 2021 4:52 AM

Oct 23, 2021 4:52 AM

Bruh-__-

Offline

Jun 2021

1207

I can easily answer questions about AOT (mostly) but you've written a whole damn essay so ain't reading that lmao
Take it up on Reddit there people are always free and could easily help you and even read whole paras

Oct 23, 2021 4:53 AM

#10

--Fiend_09--

Offline

May 2021

1184

Lol imagine the number of questions this guy will have after the ending.

Oct 23, 2021 4:59 AM

#11

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

aotisgoat23 said:
Lol imagine the number of questions this guy will have after the ending.

Oh no... Not sure if I like the sound of that :D

Oct 23, 2021 5:00 AM

#12

removed-user

Offline

Jul 2018

561792

Graine said:

Chota_Itachi said:
I can answer all of em but too lazy so I'll pass

Eren_Jeager07 said:
I am not reading all of that

Why do you guys even make a post then? :D

Lazy enough to quote not enough to answer

Oct 23, 2021 5:07 AM

#13

--Fiend_09--

Offline

May 2021

1184

Graine said:

aotisgoat23 said:
Lol imagine the number of questions this guy will have after the ending.

Oh no... Not sure if I like the sound of that :D

I mean isayama made and brought into light some very deep themes in the last few chapters and majority of the fandom who didn't get those just thought of it as one of the worst endings ever made.. Many didn't even considered rereading and understanding the characters and their motivations better.

Oct 23, 2021 6:22 AM

#14

Cami-inc

Offline

May 2021

I was fully ready to answer any questions but oof thats a lot and now I've lost all motivation. Skimmed them and most can basically be answered/interpreted by thoroughly reading the manga, but if you dont care enough to read it tho then problem solved either way lol

Oct 23, 2021 6:53 AM

#15

Azraiii

Offline

Mar 2021

385

Graine said:
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.

imo if he makes huge explosion it can potentially kill the FT shifter, and his comrades Annie, Reiner and titans that Annie attract from her power

Graine said:
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?

the titan need to break Eren's spine first to obtain the power ig, you know the spinal fluid thing

AzraiiiOct 23, 2021 7:20 AM

🐐

Oct 23, 2021 7:04 AM

#16

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

Cami-inc said:
I was fully ready to answer any questions but oof thats a lot and now I've lost all motivation. Skimmed them and most can basically be answered/interpreted by thoroughly reading the manga, but if you dont care enough to read it tho then problem solved either way lol

I did try to look for answers to the extent of browsing the wiki for couple of hours and rewatching some moments in the show to see if I missed something. But yeah, I suppose I do not have the patience for trying to dig up the answers from the manga, because that would force me to re-experience a story that left me cold with most of it's developments.

I don't expect people to necessarily have the patience to answer my questions either, but a comment like "I could answer but nah" is useless enough to me that you might as well not post it. Answer one of them if you see one that is easy to explain, because it could very well be that with some of these I just missed an obvious detail that would justify it.

GraineOct 23, 2021 7:45 AM

Oct 23, 2021 7:07 AM

#17

iCorvus

Offline

Feb 2021

292

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps aquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

yea thats way too much, just read the manga

Oct 23, 2021 7:39 AM

#18

archiwatchsanime

Offline

Jun 2021

It would be better if you post 1 question a day

Oct 23, 2021 7:41 AM

#19

Atharvvvv

Offline

Apr 2021

169

Bruh, I'll pass, don't hate me.

Oct 23, 2021 7:43 AM

#20

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

Bushido_247 said:
Bruh, I'll pass, don't hate me.

I won't :)

Slashed out the bits that now make sense to me. Thanks for the answers so far.

Oct 23, 2021 7:45 AM

#21

Atharvvvv

Offline

Apr 2021

169

Graine said:

Bushido_247 said:
Bruh, I'll pass, don't hate me.

I won't :)

Slashed out the bits that now make sense to me. Thanks for the answers so far.

I think rewatching or rereading it will help you leaps and bounds

Oct 23, 2021 8:04 AM

#22

24glamat

Offline

Mar 2021

Ok I read through the whole thing and I will try to answer all or most but I'm going to need to some time so just bear with me ok.

Oct 23, 2021 9:04 AM

#23

DeonX

Offline

Feb 2021

23444

Graine said:

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps acquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
I had missed the part where Kenny speculates that the wrong method of consumption most likely caused the form to be out of control.
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

WARNING CONTAINS SOME MANGA SPOILERS SO PROCEED WITH CAUTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Okay first of all that's a lotta questions but I'll gladly answer them even though it'll take some time. (I'm answering the ones that haven't been answered)

1. Don't really think this is a major plot hole tbh cause it not really affecting the story. Anyways to answer this I'd say that they had a long walk to the forest and Grisha was obviously acting really weird and aggressive which isn't like him cause he's level headed most of the time. (remember when Mikasa told his parents Eren wanted to be a scout? Grisha didn't really freak out like his mom). So maybe it was shocking for Eren to see his dad in such a crazed state. As for Grisha he already knew that the Marleyans were the ones making attempts to break the walls, and locate the holder of the founding titan so that they could capture him/her. Fortunately he was out for business so he was safe but he realised how grave the situation was and wanted to secure the titan powers asap and promptly took action even though he could have done better and told Eren some stuff about what the frick was going on. But I hardly think that would have made any kind of difference since he was naive child back then who basically knew nothing about the outside world and titan powers and shit so he wouldn't have been able to take it all in. I hope this clears it.

2. About this, they always knew that Fritz never would have retaliated. Fritz was the royal blood who believed what their ancestors did was truly wrong and they deserved all the punishments for their past mistakes. In S4 I presume Willy unveils the truth about it all (during declaration of war). He just called it a bluff. The Tybur family, Marley officials and past titan holders knew he just wanted to create a temporary 'paradise' for the Eldians before they world comes together to seek revenge upon them. This was also one of the main reasons he used his titan powers to erase the memories. So that they can't retaliate and just quietly die by the hands of their invaders. He was pretty much a pacifist. But the common Marleyans never knew all his shit. Also they knew after Fritz dies, the royal blood members would be bound by his will and wouldn't act. Remember Uri Reiss (the dude who was Kenny's target at one point in time). Even he wanted to change all this and retaliate and shit but when he got the founder, he realised 'the will' was overpowering him and he couldn't act. Also Eldians in Marley are basically in a concentration camp. And we see they being 'rewarded' or being praised for being loyal to Marley or if they somehow contribute themselves for Marley. It wouldn't be a far fetched possibility if they were rewarded for having many kids so that they could be recruited in the military. If they don't become Marley warriors, they can still become pure titan fodder to used against enemies (for example in S4 they dropped pure titans from the blimp.) Also the huge amount of pure titans on the island aren't common eldians living in Marley. Most of them have broken some rule in Marley. Either they were a part of some resistance group (like Grisha and Diana) or were promotion Eldian religion/ideology/thoughts/or preached about Eldians and their good deeds they would be labelled as criminals or 'traitors' and were subjected to torture and kept in prisons for a while, when there's a good amount of prisoners, they take 'em to Paradis and turn 'em into good old titans. So basically this has been happening ever since Fritz built the wall and did his shit. This has been going on for decades which explains why there were like thousands of pure titans outside the walls.

3. Yeah after Fritz was ruled out by his guilt and became somewhat of a pacifist, he built the walls and bluffed about letting them lose if they attacked Paradis. He used his Titan powers to command Ymir Fritz the first titan shifter (basically the first founder) resides in a soul like form trapped for eternity waiting to be commanded by royal blooded founding titan holders. She resides in ' The Paths' which is a titan realm where the powers take place and stuff. She stays there and abides by the rules so basically when Fritz used his founding powers, he commanded her to make thousands of colossal titans. Also time isn't relative here in this weird realm so making the ain't taking long. This is manga stuff which Eren and Zeke will discover in S4 part 2. Also the Eldians couldn't really oppose the king cause dude he would just make them obey him. The Founder has the power to control the Eldians to any extent. He can make them forget everything and make them follow his orders. He can even change the body composition to some extent (shown in manga, coming up in S4 part 2) so the Eldians didn't have any choice at that time. They HAD to follow Fritz.

4. First of all they hardcore trained these warriors. So even if they were kids they were hella brainwashed and made some kind of terminator with a goal. But I still get what you're trying to say. But remember the titan shifters have 13 yrs to live and the previous shifters were gonna die soon and they also suffer in their final days. Like they aren't really fit. They spit blood (cliche) become somewhat old? and also grow considerably weaker so they couldn't have gone on this mission even if they were more experienced, These kids were the new titan shifters for now on. Also it's pretty much been a tradition for kids to become titan shifter cause they are young and energetic, learn to harness these titan powers under guidance from the military from a young age, and thus have better grasp over the powers. I guess these are the main reasons. Also they did consider the risk of them failing so they never sent all the kids. They sent the most experienced ones who had the highest chance of making the mission successful. Also remember that kids can merge in easily with almost any group after the Shiganshina incident. Adults might need a bit of explaining to do to the MP's so it's not a feasible plan. But kids, they can pretend their homes were destroyed and parents were killed so they would be given shelter and stuff. They can easily infiltrate this way is what I want to say.

5. Nah they were devoted to all this propaganda of getting the founder and freeing them of all these worries. They were ready to throw their lives. Also you said they had to rise ranks o gather info which is absolutely correct. That's why Annie went to become an MP and Reiner and Bert stayed to become Survey Corp members. They covered 2 factions. Basically all 3 because they were Garrison members to begin with. But MP's had more chance of getting info cause they were king's personal service and could easily eavesdrop on their conversations. As for Reiner and Bert they stayed in Survey corps to get outside info which scouts could get easily. Like getting pure titan info and kinda misleading them if they were close to discovering something. Also remember that these 3 met for a discussion in the night when no one was watching 'em. Also Annie had that edgy kid wanting to be alone. She never really had close friends who could keep a constant eye on her. So everyone used to kinda ignore her and she exploited this for gathering info in the underground area where basically no one knew her, so she wouldn't get in trouble.

6. No cause after the Shiganshina incident there was a huge mess and who died and who lived was kinds not really known clearly. Also after the fall there was retake mission of some thousand people but they failed too. So they can make up this excuse. Also some scattered villages weren't really aware of this sudden attack so the MP's wouldn't suspect them to take the cover of the story. Also if you didn't notice there's a small detail in the anime where they show some time after the fall of Shiganshina, the people move into the second wall and then try to grow food stocks rapidly due to the sudden increase in the no. of inhabitants in the district, but the crop fails that year or something and everyone is shown to be grieving in that shot, Annie, Reiner, and Bert are shown too. Which indicates that they had merged with some local people and started helping them to blend in and they probably accepted them in as they thought they became orphans after the incident. They probably even vouched for them IF they were ever asked for identification.

7. Just wanted to point out that it's never specified that pure titans have a normal or a standard height. For all we knew they can be 3m titans or 15m-17m titans in general. But Rod Reiss became a abnormal titan as Erwin says. So maybe the abnormal have weird abnormalities like disproportionate body size and shit. But remember he never had any real conscience. Also the Historia easily being accepted as the queen after delivering the final blow was kind of a plot convenience according to me. But I think she cut the biggest meat chunk which she figured was the main chunk I guess? It's my speculation.

8. No I think the memory part is somewhat connected to the royal bloodline too. But remember she didn't 'alter' it in any way. The founder does that thing. The royal bloods can most probably get the some short clips pf their memories when in contact. Also we'll see something like this when Zeke comes in contact with Eren in S4 part 2 and Zeke is a royal blood WITH titan powers so it's more vivid for him. You'll understand when you see that part.

SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. WHEW THAT WAS LOOONG. HOPE IT HELPS!

Oct 23, 2021 9:26 AM

#24

Call_Me_Dad

Offline

Feb 2021

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
The fear of accidentally blowing up the host of the Founding Titan makes sense here.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps acquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
I had missed the part where Kenny speculates that the wrong method of consumption most likely caused the form to be out of control.
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
The spinal fluid consumption rule basically explained this. Somehow, in my head, I had only connected it to the serum and not the transfer of the titan powers.
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

EDIT: I slashed out the stuff that's been cleared up.

“Where did millions of collosal titans come from” well have you read manga? I have not still naturally who doesn't know It was eldians who were turned into titans seriously
That's what will happen next part too, that's rumbling

I totally don't care about your opinions unless they intersect with mine of course! If you start crying for something of that sort...

Oct 23, 2021 11:46 AM

#25

HonorPrompt

Offline

Jun 2020

143

Graine said:

Chota_Itachi said:
I can answer all of em but too lazy so I'll pass

Eren_Jeager07 said:
I am not reading all of that

Why do you guys even make a post then? :D

Because future Eren was controlling him with the power of the Founding Titan.

I don't get why "future Eren" would ever make him say that. Remember, that we learn later that he and his father have basically only exchanged couple of sentences after reuniting after Shiganshina.

They only rarely execute people with Titan serum

How are there enough titans to flood the confines of Wall Maria so quickly then? Even if none of them stayed outside, seems like a lot of ground to cover, so there has to be quite a few, right?

They didn’t use the colosal titans explosion incase of accidentally killing the founding titan.

Hmm, this is a pretty good explanation for it.

using their real names wouldn’t have mattered since they weren’t from there

Thank you lol. And you have to remember that some of the titans on paradise are hundreds of years old. It stacks up, Ymir was almost 200

Oct 23, 2021 12:17 PM

#26

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

DeonX said:
SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. WHEW THAT WAS LOOONG. HOPE IT HELPS!

First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer! A lot of what you said made sense to me, and actually made me appreciate some of the more complex aspects of the story in a new way. I'll directly address some of the stuff you said.

Also remember that kids can merge in easily with almost any group after the Shiganshina incident.

I didn't think of this, actually! That's a really good point.

Don't really think this is a major plot hole tbh cause it not really affecting the story. Anyways to answer this I'd say that they had a long walk to the forest and Grisha was obviously acting really weird and aggressive which isn't like him.....

You are right that it definitely is not major, but oversights like this from the writer make me feel like he didn't care for his own story, so I guess I latched onto it for that reason. The writer having a clear plan - or at least keeping up the illusion of having a clear plan - is something I consider important. You had to go through quite a bit of mental gymnastics there to justify a line that could have easily been written as something that would instantly make sense to the audience, IF the creator had properly planned his story out instead of "I'll toss in a mystery and figure it out later". Writing the line into just "Dad, you are acting strange" doesn't really take anything away from the scene and it would make a whole lot more sense. But. As you said, this is a minor nitpick at a pretty irrelevant plot detail at best, so enough of this one :D

....they take 'em to Paradis and turn 'em into good old titans.

But why? So that the plot could happen, but is there any logic to this form of punishment beyond that it's a slightly poetic way to dispatch the former "masters" of the titans? Seems like it involves a lot of effort from the Marleyans with nothing to gain from it, and on the other side of the scale is the (perhaps small, but still existing) chance that someone on Paradis initiates the END OF THE WORLD. How can anyone at Marley (or anyone outside the Fritz/Reiss family for that matter) be 100% sure of how the pact works? Did they read the script? Even if you like your odds, do you make that gamble? Or did they find a way to keep tabs on a family, who's identity is surrounded by cover-ups, residing on the most in-accessible settlement in the world?

They HAD to follow Fritz.

If that is the case, why are there so many Eldians still residing within Marley? And if the mind/body controlling abilities of the Fritz bloodline are so powerful, why didn't Frieda Reiss use them to subdue Grisha and save her family, when Grisha was about take all their lives? Because she thought they deserved it? Then why even turn into a titan to fight him at that point? Or did the Fritz line lose the godlike abilities somewhere along the way? Also, this is getting outside of the logic flaw / plot hole territory and is more just a personal observation... If it went down as you say here, and Karl Fritz essentially mind controlled a civilization into doing his bidding, that makes the kindly pacifist king one of the biggest assholes in anime.

"Violence, my friends, is not cool. Leaving half my people to suffer oppression and persecution for a hundred years, without even bargaining for their safety - they deserve it. Forcing the rest of my people into exile inside a giant cage of stone and wiping their memories - that's cool too."

With Eren they also introduced the concept that memories make a person who they are, so by the series' logic, Karl Fritz took away his people's very identities (or at least severely fucked with them). Could even say he killed them in a sense, since by following the previous logic, they are not the same people anymore. I would love to see a spinoff story about the Eldrian Empire's glory days. If their deeds really made Karl Fritz hate his own people so much, it must have been friggin' hell on earth. In a way, I feel like Fritz guided his people into a fate worse than extinction... And let me just say! That, after going through this... This is actually pretty interesting! And I think I have a new-found appreciation for the Eldian storyline.

Once again, thanks for the answers. Film/TV analysis is a big passion of mine, so I do enjoy going over this kind of stuff.

GraineOct 23, 2021 3:03 PM

Oct 23, 2021 12:59 PM

#27

Aastik_V

Offline

Jan 2021

372

Man what can I say
Ig only ymir knows

Oct 23, 2021 1:02 PM

#28

macinbacon

Offline

Apr 2021

aotisgoat23 said:

Graine said:

Oh no... Not sure if I like the sound of that :D

Or maybe he left unanswered questions and plot holes

Oct 23, 2021 5:48 PM

#29

alanhasmemes

Offline

Aug 2019

honestly you got me pretty stumped on these bro, gg on finding all these plot holes

Oct 23, 2021 10:59 PM

#30

Khushal_v

Offline

Mar 2021

1390

The titans who formed the wall are not collosoal titans you can see many sites how colossal and wall titans are different the most major difference being that colossal titan is a little bigger compared to wall titans

Oct 23, 2021 11:47 PM

#31

DeonX

Offline

Feb 2021

23444

Graine said:

DeonX said:
SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. WHEW THAT WAS LOOONG. HOPE IT HELPS!

....they take 'em to Paradis and turn 'em into good old titans.

They HAD to follow Fritz.

If that is the case, why are there so many Eldians still residing within Marley? And if the mind/body controlling abilities of the Fritz bloodline are so powerful, why didn't Frieda Reiss use them to subdue Grisha and save her family, when Grisha was about take all their lives? Because she thought they deserved it? Then why even turn into a titan to fight him at that point? Or did the Fritz line lose the godlike abilities somewhere along the way? Also, this is getting outside of the logic flaw / plot hole territory and is more just a personal observation... If it went down as you say here, and Karl Fritz essentially mind controlled a civilization into doing his bidding, that makes the kindly pacifist king one of the biggest assholes in anime.

With Eren they also introduced the concept that memories make a person who they are, so by the series' logic, Karl Fritz took away his people's very identities (or at least severely fucked with them). Could even say he killed them in a sense, since by following the previous logic, they are not the same people anymore. I would love to see a spinoff story about the Eldrian Empire's glory days. If their deeds really made Karl Fritz hate his own people so much, it must have been friggin' hell on earth. In a way, I feel like Fritz guided his people into a fate worse than extinction... And let me just say! That, after going through this... This is actually pretty interesting! And I think I have a new-found appreciation for the Eldian storyline.

Once again, thanks for the answers. Film/TV analysis is a big passion of mine, so I do enjoy going over this kind of stuff.

Okay so lets go at it once again! CONTAINS SPOILERS BEWARE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1. About the conversation Eren had with Grisha I'm not sure if Eren actually said "Dad you're acting weird ever since mom died". I think something might have changed by WIT studio. As y'know anime adaptations aren't spot-on about every single dialouge. They are altered a bit so it can be that WIT studio had changed a few dialogues. You get the idea right? No adaptation is exactly the same as it's source material so there can be minor changes like this one.

2. About the why I think you just have to understand that the pure Marleyans really hated Eldians and would just find some kind of odd way to channel their hatred and resentment towards them. Remember they were treated like vermin. Also you remember Faye right? (Grisha's sister) She was a innocent 9 y/o something girl who should not have been punished cause Grisha was already taking the punishment for her but she was tortured and killed by that one asshole police. So you see what happened? These small officers, patrollers were the actual ones doing all this. The Marleyan authorities and higher ups never really made an act or law of some sorts that said law breaking Eldians would be turned into titans. But they knew what was going on and never made any step to condone this because Karl Fritz or any other royal blood would do anything major since the Tybers and the fake 'Marleyan war hero' had already confirmed this. Karl only wanted temporary peace and die quietly until the whole world comes for them. They exploited this. Also not to mention at that time the Marleyans had 7 of the 9 titans. They weren't sure who had the attack titan (Eren Kruger the OWL had it back then) and they knew that the royal family had been holding the founder for generations and anyone else wouldn't be able to utilise the powers of the founder even if they somehow got it. So they were pretty much carefree. Even in S4 part2 we'll see that Eren uses Zeke to utilise the powers of the founder since he can't do it himself in any way. Even Historia who's a riyal blood cannot help Eren here. Why? If Historia chose to eat him and become the founder, she would be overwhelmed by the will so end of the story. If she wants to help Eren to 'access' the power she still can't do it cause she herself isn't a titan shifter. But Zeke, he's a royal blood with the Beast titan's powers. That's why Levi and the Survey Corps were trying to make Historia a pure titan and feed Zeke to him so that they would get the beast titan and someone who'll be trustworthy and can help Eren to utilise the powers of the Founder. Remember when Eren used the pure titans to attack Reiner in S2? He touched Dina Fritz's pure titan who was a royal blood and had temporary access to the founding powers.
I think about the pact that you're saying exists and was confirmed by them because after a while Fritz would have eventually died so a new holder comes in place but they never attacked back in order to gain world power all over again and they must have started sending the pure titans in low numbers at first to kinda test them but they never retaliated so they somewhat confirmed this and went on with the rampage.

3. Look I never said that Fritz made the Eldians follow him with his founding powers but they knew he could do so. Also what I meant by saying they HAD to follow him was because first of all they get a peaceful island to live in where they could all forget about their past and their sins and start a new life. What they didn't know was that Fritz would erase their memories and would never retaliate back if anyone attacked Paradis. Also Fritz would have utilized the founding powers IF there was like a civil war or maybe if half of his people were wanting to continue or start a new war or something. But they agreed with Fritz and moved on. And as for the other Eldians on Marley they couldn't make it out of there. Fritz wasn't marching through lands collecting Eldians for hi island. He was moving in secrecy with what all people he had left. Which is majority of the Eldians made it out to Paradis. The few left out were either there in support of Marley cause remember that Marley had 7 titans after the great titan war cause Marley and the other nations which presumably also had half eldians (child of pure eldian and some other race) had titan powers and they joined together to drive away the Founder. As for what the world knew was that the Founder and Eldians were backing away because they were scared of all their oppositions coming together and going up against them.

About Frieda, she was basically an amateur. She hadn't even learned how to utilise for had even changed into the founder once I presume. Whereas Grisha had experience about using his titan. He also attacked suddenly and started attacking the family members first. In the heat of the moment Frieda had to ensure her family's safety first. So she basically just went for a fist fight which Grisha easily won. Had it been Uri Reiss instead of Frieda, he could have utilised the founding powers and controlled Grisha and easily turned the tables. Also I think the Reiss blood line never really lost the power to use the founding powers but they had to keep it suppressed due to 'the will' and could possibly only use them in very dire situations. But remember Frieda had just gained the founder's powers and was a novice. Also you're right Fritz was kind of an asshole tbh.

About the spinoff of Eldian Empire glory days....good luck with that lol. That ain't happening as far as I think. Maybe we'll get some OVA's after S4 part2 to clear some things up or maybe some backdrop about the things that happened in the manga that were kinds rushed.

DeonXOct 23, 2021 11:53 PM

Oct 23, 2021 11:48 PM

#32

DeonX

Offline

Feb 2021

23444

alanhasmemes said:
honestly you got me pretty stumped on these bro, gg on finding all these plot holes

I've explained pretty much everything. There are 2 quotes. You can check them out if you want.

Oct 23, 2021 11:49 PM

#33

DeonX

Offline

Feb 2021

23444

HonorPrompt said:

Thank you lol. And you have to remember that some of the titans on paradise are hundreds of years old. It stacks up, Ymir was almost 200[/quote]

Ymir was 60 something as far as I remember......

Oct 24, 2021 1:11 AM

#34

Autobotte

Offline

Dec 2020

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
The fear of accidentally blowing up the host of the Founding Titan makes sense here.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps acquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
I had missed the part where Kenny speculates that the wrong method of consumption most likely caused the form to be out of control.
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
The spinal fluid consumption rule basically explained this. Somehow, in my head, I had only connected it to the serum and not the transfer of the titan powers.
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

EDIT: I slashed out the stuff that's been cleared up.

The answer is simple, Isayama is not a good mangaka and AoT is fucking full of plotholes despite the decent storyline, you'll have even more questions After the final, trust me

Oct 24, 2021 1:38 AM

#35

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

DeonX said:

1. About the conversation Eren had with Grisha I'm not sure if Eren actually said "Dad you're acting weird ever since mom died". I think something might have changed by WIT studio.

This line I did actually check in the manga and it was roughly the same there as it was in the anime. Who knows, could be a translation error.

DeonX said:
2. About the why I think you just have to understand that the pure Marleyans really hated Eldians and would just find some kind of odd way to channel their hatred and resentment towards them. Remember they were treated like vermin. Also you remember Faye right? (Grisha's sister)

Oh, I understand it. What I am saying is that I am not buying it. It is extremely stupid. Let's lay this out. They have to
1. Organize a voyage on a ship over the ocean. Crew, fuel, time.
2. Organize a prisoner transfer on the said ship. We are talking food, water, guards, and grouping the prisoners up at the relevant port.
3. Go through the pain in the ass of setting up the titan injections.

And what do they get out of it?
1. Chance to stroke their sadistic hate boners and be evil.
2. They potentially risk pissing off a literal god and initiating the end of the world.
3. They make their future invasion plans more difficult by flooding their potential landing zone with titan.

There have been extremely cruel and hate-filled methods of execution in the human history. But something like the crucifixion or the Chinese "waist chop" didn't involve nearly as much hassle in terms of setting up the punishment. It makes for a cool set piece and I can appreciate it in that regard. However, I struggle to find much logic in it. Am I overthinking it? Maybe. Remember also that the titan threat was a giant part of the beginning of the series. A defining aspect of it, until the creator essentially discarded it. The origin of the titans sparked countless hours of debate among fans and casual followers of the series alike back in the day. And this convoluted mess is the origin story of them?

DeonX said:
About Frieda, she was basically an amateur.

Amateur or not, we are apparently talking about difference in scale of
- One being able to control millions of titans, control minds of a civilization and shape matter at will
- One not being able to subdue a dude

Frieda's amateurishness keeps coming up, but how much of a "titanshifting professional" was Grisha, really? How much chances to exercise his titan powers did he really get during all his years living a sheltered life as a doctor at Shiganshina? And if the logic of "kids make for better titans" from the Annie, Bertolt, Reiner -argument holds any sway, shouldn't that give Frieda at least something of an edge? Grisha, at the time of his death was 39 and on his 13th year of "titanhood".

I don't know. To me, it seems like these powers are whatever the plot needs them to be at any given moment and if there are rules to them, they are an afterthought.

GraineOct 24, 2021 5:15 AM

Oct 24, 2021 6:32 AM

#36

Dany2100

Offline

Aug 2019

126

aotisgoat23 said:

Graine said:

Oh no... Not sure if I like the sound of that :D

Someone had to say this

Oct 24, 2021 6:49 AM

#37

Azraiii

Offline

Mar 2021

385

Graine said:

1,2. Judging from the image, it doesn't seem that Paradis is that far away from Marley, and we don't know the exact scale from the map so i cant say much about it. 1 day worth of food is enough ig for the soldiers, idk about the prisoners though, maybe they didn't get any food cuz you know Marleyans are just sadistic bastards..

3. imo Marley want to make Eldians in Paradis to "taste their own medicine", i mean, it is the same method when Marley was attacked by Eldian's titans long long ago.. it is just a dumb reasoning from me tbh hahahaha.

Karl fritz the coward king made a vow renouncing war, but that is just a bluff iirc.. The royals just accept the Eldian's fate of being destroyed as they think that is the only way to repentance for their sins ig..

if you don't mind about spoiler, here's a link i found that might helps you to know a little bit more about the royalty things: this

🐐

Oct 24, 2021 7:19 AM

#38

DeonX

Offline

Feb 2021

23444

Graine said:

DeonX said:

1. About the conversation Eren had with Grisha I'm not sure if Eren actually said "Dad you're acting weird ever since mom died". I think something might have changed by WIT studio.

This line I did actually check in the manga and it was roughly the same there as it was in the anime. Who knows, could be a translation error.

DeonX said:
About Frieda, she was basically an amateur.

Okay so about what I meant by kids being titan shifters in Marley was that they were easy to train since they were kids and could easily be shaped up according to their titan powers. As for Frieda she had not changed into a titan even once, How can you expect her to totally master the powers of a founder in the first encounter with an enemy titan shifter. In that huge underground base, the Reiss family was going trough some ritual at that time so I presume it was after Uri was eaten up by Frieda. Maybe they were praying/remembering/honoring him at that time. So she didn't get to experience the titan powers between that time. As for Grisha he indeed was experienced imo. See this, he escaped from Marley after getting the attack titan. He must have taken some days to reach the walls in Paradis. Until that time he had to fight off the pure titans to some extent and somehow survive for a while. So he was indeed more experienced when compared to Frieda. Also I didn't want to give a big spoiler so I didn't say this before but it's actually Eren manipulation Grisha back then. It'll be later shown when he gets access to the founder, he reveals that he has been manipulating Grisha through the founding powers. It's confusing to explain properly so you'll understand when you see it.

As for the killing the Eldians due to hatred and titanifiction stuff. I can't explain anymore than that. You're kind of nitpicking here. Like every single detail can't have an accurate explanation y'know. It's a show so there has to be some minor plot conveniences. I see you gave Erased an 8 I think? That show has way more asspulls and plotholes than AOT (before S4 part 2) imo.

Oct 24, 2021 8:20 AM

#39

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

Azraiii said:
1,2. Judging from the image, it doesn't seem that Paradis is that far away from Marley, and we don't know the exact scale from the map so i cant say much about it. 1 day worth of food is enough ig for the soldiers, idk about the prisoners though, maybe they didn't get any food cuz you know Marleyans are just sadistic bastards..

The span of Marley seems to be pretty vast. Unless all the Eldians residing in their country are located in a single area, you will still have to relocate the prisoners and move them across country and group them up at the nearest port. Food for the prisoners might not be a concern, but I think the Marleyans carrying out the sentence still want nourishment unless they literally feed on the suffering of the Eldians. Even if we are talking about a sea voyage that is only a few hours long, as a two-way trip, it would still take these soldiers off of their active duties for a day. For a country that seems to constantly be waging war, it seems like an unnecessary waste of manpower and fuel.

Also, my point still stands about the threat of the Rumbling, that I don't really see how the Marleyans could possibly be so certain that it was "just a bluff" - seemed to be pretty big news to most of them when Tybur mentioned it in his speech. Even if you knew that it was just a bluff, I wouldn't go poking at the hornets' nest for a silly reason like "no reason at all", when it introduces all sorts of additional problems to yourself. At the start of the story, no one outside of Paradis has been in any contact with the Fritz' ancestors behind the walls for a hundred years, right? The next family member to receive the Founding Titan might be 2 minutes away from completing a ritual to renounce the pacifism pact - he might literally be spouting leathery wings and have horns protruding from his forehead. All kinds of things could be going wrong inside the walls. My point is that they don't know, and if they do know, they really shouldn't. Unless they read the script.

Also, I am pretty confident that in this thread, we have now given this matter more thought than the creator of the manga did.

Autobotte said:
The answer is simple, Isayama is not a good mangaka and AoT is fucking full of plotholes

See, I was leaning on this answer as well, but some fans of the show that I have talked to have been so adamant with defending it that I figured I'd give them a chance to glue me in on what I'm missing. And I had definitely missed some stuff. Even some pretty cool stuff, I have to admit.

Plot holes or no, if the anime is in any way a reasonable adaptation of his work, I don't think Isayama is very good at crafting a long-running story. If I found the story enjoyable, I would probably not even think of the plot holes (or inconsistencies or flaws flaws in logic - whatever you wanna label them). But because I didn't find the "what" in "what is going on" interesting, I started focusing on the "why".

GraineOct 24, 2021 8:40 AM

Oct 24, 2021 8:34 AM

#40

Graine

Offline

Jul 2014

DeonX said:
As for the killing the Eldians due to hatred and titanifiction stuff. I can't explain anymore than that. You're kind of nitpicking here. Like every single detail can't have an accurate explanation y'know.

I mentioned to you earlier that my low opinion of the later seasons of AOT don't have that much to do with the inconsistencies, but the big picture stuff. If I was engaged with the story, this crap is all water under the bridge.

In my opinion, what happened with AOT is that Isayama started the story as something, got bored of it, and then transformed it into something else that currently interested him. If that worked for you, hey that's great. I wanted to finish the story I started, not have it transform into something else midway. If you want my detailed answer on why the story left me cold, this thread isn't it. You can read my reviews about that.

GraineOct 24, 2021 9:20 AM

Oct 24, 2021 8:48 AM

#41

Piannkun

Offline

May 2021

During Eren's first flashback about his father, we see him screaming something like "Dad, you have been acting weird ever since mom died". This would imply they have been spending at least some time together since the fall of Shiganshina. But we discover later that Grisha basically takes Eren to the woods for his injection as soon as he manages to locate him.
If the Marleyans know that there's a potential for someone at Paradis to control the titans, why is "titanification" their preferred method of execution for Eldian criminals? It must be a pretty popular method, considering the number of the titans. Doesn't this method potentially risk supplying their enemy with a free army? They also mention later that the amount of titans makes it difficult to organize a landing operation at Paradis, so if a takeover is their goal, why would they keep doing this? Is there a reason for burning all the fuel and man hours on a long sea voyage and prisoner transfer, instead of just hanging the Eldians? Also, aren't they risking angering Fritz and causing the Rumbling by dropping man-eating monsters onto his backyard? The Fritz with the Founding Titan is bound to pacifism and I guess at least some Marleyans know this, but seems like an unnecesary risk to take with basically nothing to gain from it when they have no way of knowing if the Founding Titan is even at the Fritz family's hands anymore.
Speaking of the Rumbling, where did all the millions of Colossal titans that formed the walls come from? Were they always under King Fritz's control? How do you control millions of titans that are all larger than life? How did the Eldian empire ever lose the war when having access to such a force? Fritz was a man ruled by guilt, but what about all the rest of the Eldians at the time? Why would they follow a man that lets his people fall to the enemy despite having the resources to easily stop them.
Considering the importance of it, why did the Marleyans entrust 4 teen/pre-teen kids with the Paradis mission? Kids are volatile and emotional and even if they trust their judgment 100%, they are still risking the capture of 4 out of 7 of their super important warmachines at the hands of relatively inexperienced "pilots". Also, what happened to the threat of the Rumbling? Literally kicking holes in Fritz' walls might kinda force his hand, don't you think? Schrödinger's Rumbling. It both is and isn't a threat, I guess.
Why would Bertolt, Reiner and Annie subject themselves to years of arduous military training at Paradis? I would think that an enclosed military training camp is not the best place for acquiring information about the island. I'm sure there are advantages to mingling with enemy soldiers, especially if they reach high ranking positions, but is it really worth putting their mission on hold for multiple years? Especially given that their very lives are on a 13 year clock with only 11 or 10 remaining. Would they really throw away more than a quarter of their remaining lifespan to maybe make it into the military police and *maybe* make their mission a little easier? And how come Annie is able to keep sneaking away from the camp for long enough to explore the sewers under the capital without getting caught or at the very least without getting into trouble for it?
The farmer who hangs himself tells the story about the 3 children who he left behind when running from the titans, all conveniently around the same age as Reiner, Bertolt and Annie. They adopt the farmer's story and the roles of these children, because they are all most likely dead, and it is a decent cover story if someone goes digging into their background. But wouldn't using their actual real surnames put a major dent in this cover story? In fact, why do they use their real names at all? For all they know, their family names might not even exist within the walls. Wouldn't you try to come up with fake names?
A SIDE NOTE: Am I the only one who caught the hint that maybe the farmer's death wasn't a suicide but possibly either Reiner or Annie getting rid of loose ends for their cover story. Maybe that is why the encounter with the man still haunts Bertolt. He is suspicious of what happened, but doesn't dare admit it to himself or to outright accuse his allies. That is pretty cool.
Speaking of Bertolt. If the Colossal Titan can cause such an explosion upon transforming, why didn't it ever do it before? Seems like it would have been pretty convenient at Trost at the very least, if their goal was indeed to cause mayhem and to lure out the Founding Titan.
The fear of accidentally blowing up the host of the Founding Titan makes sense here.
Rod Reiss only slightly touched the titan serum with his tongue and got turned into the biggest titan ever. This would imply that not the entirety of a syringe's contents are necessarily needed to turn someone into a titan. The syringe that the Recon Corps acquired could have potentially been used to turn multiple people into titans and thus to capture more than one of the invading titans, but no one ever even speculates the possibility of this. Also, what IF Historia had injected herself with the entire thing? Wouldn't she have ended up crushing Eren, Rod and everyone else in the cave with just the transformation, not even getting the chance to devour Eren? Even if they wouldn't just get squashed, wouldn't Historia most likely just eat Rod first since HE is the one standing closest to her?
I had missed the part where Kenny speculates that the wrong method of consumption most likely caused the form to be out of control.
Speaking of devouring Eren, why didn't the titan that ate Eren during defense of Trost not gain Eren's titan abilities and then turn into a human?
The spinal fluid consumption rule basically explained this. Somehow, in my head, I had only connected it to the serum and not the transfer of the titan powers.
Why did Historia receive some of Rod's memories upon landing the killing blow? Isn't the "memory altering" a power of the Founding Titan? Or is it an ability, in their bloodline? Or is it powered by plot convenience? And speaking of plot convenience, Historia's plan was to gain people's trust by being the one to deliver the killing blow to the Crawling Titan, so seems awfully convenient that out of all the soldiers going after it, she was the one that found the correct meat chunk to slice.

Oh my god dude so fcking long aint no way i reading this

Oct 24, 2021 9:07 AM

#42

Azraiii

Offline

Mar 2021

385

Graine said:

iirc, most of eldians in Marley if not all actually reside in an internment zone called Liberio where Grisha, Reiner, Gabi lived. I don't think that taking Eldians to titanized them required a lot of soldiers, maybe just below 100.. i mean Yelena stated that there are almost a million of Marley's soldiers during the timeskip, so during Grisha time maybe hundred of thousands soldiers are still at Marley..

Also, my point still stands about the threat of the Rumbling, that I don't really see how the Marleyans could possibly be so certain that it was "just a bluff" - seemed to be pretty big news to most of them when Tybur mentioned it in his speech. Even if you knew that it was just a bluff, I wouldn't go poking at the hornets' nest for a silly reason like "no reason at all", when it introduces all sorts of additional problems to yourself. At the start of the story, no one outside of Paradis has been in any contact with the Fritz' ancestors behind the walls for a hundred years, right? The next family member to receive the Founding Titan might be 2 minutes away from completing a ritual to renounce the pacifism pact - he might literally be spouting leathery wings and have horns protruding from his forehead. All kinds of things could be going wrong inside the walls. My point is that they don't know, and if they do know, they really shouldn't. Unless they read the script.

ah this one i forgot to mention that, how on earth would Marleyans know it is just a bluff during Grisha's time hahahaha, my bad

Also, I am pretty confident that in this thread, we have now given this matter more thought than the creator of the manga did.

He is basically relaxing in his newly opened onsen after writing that ending xD

🐐

See All Discussions

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page ) anime-prime - Dec 6, 2020	962	by Fumofu »» Oct 22, 6:02 PM
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 15 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page ) anime-prime - Mar 21, 2021	473	by Iceeybleh »» Oct 18, 12:56 PM
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 16 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page ) Koito91 - Mar 28, 2021	717	by Roalinn »» Oct 15, 3:09 PM
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 7 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page ) anime-prime - Jan 24, 2021	997	by znjsensej »» Oct 10, 5:33 PM
Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page ) anime-prime - Mar 7, 2021	521	by graciana »» Oct 9, 1:26 AM

Can the AOT fans explain some of my questions about the story?

More topics from this board

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 15 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 16 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 7 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Poll: » Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

MoreTop Anime

MoreTop Airing Anime

MoreMost Popular Characters