Aot volume 30, berserk vol 13, vinland saga vol 7

DarkPromised said:


Really interesting,aot vol 30 and berserk vol 30 is really goat

Awyer said:
AoT volume 30 is like a joke after the ending. how could you compare this trash with those two masterpieces

hamza121419 said:
I'd pick volume 7 of vinland saga, volumes 4,5 and 7 are the best volumes i've ever read.

I'm not a big fan of the eclipse and i think there are better written volumes in berserk than 13 (volumes 7 and 18 for example) and the same goes for aot volume 30,i didn't buy the time travel bullshit and ymir's back story, i'dd pick the last 2 volumes of return to shiganshina, those 2 were perfection in my opinion.

shyn_M21 said:

Since you didn't like the paths stuff i'm curious what do you think about the ending or the last volume as a whole?

hamza121419 said:
last arc is garbage and the ending is one of the worst i've ever seen. The moment time travel and seing future memories got introduced this story went downhill in my opinion, it distroyed the whole thematic of freedom which is the main theme of the series, you can't talk about freedom in a timeline that can't be changed (and it isn't even explained why it can't be changed) characters were just slaves to the plot and especially eren whose character was reduced to a plot device. The whole idea of ymir and mikasa is laughable, aot was never about making it free from a toxic love, but it turned out this was actually the aim of the series.

Tbh, i had problems with a lot of stuff after the time skipp, especially eren's character whom everyone was praising, i was expecting some incredible character development but what we got is a 180° change that is beyond realistic, you can't just make eren the main focus of the series after the time skip and give him the least time to explore what he is thinking and why he is acting the way he acts. Making him a mystery box doesn't fit his old character at all and the change was not believable at all. Isayama tried so hard to make eren compelling but didn't know how to write a proper character development (great examples are thorfin from vinland saga, guts from berserk, musashi from vagabond, meruem from hxh...) he also stepped on themes he isn't able to fully explore and develop like genocide, love, freedom, politics... And by making eren the main focus he had to make the other characters dumb and useless, what did armin and company do after the time skipp?? Nothing at all, they never made a good call, they were just spectators? What was the point of reviving armin instead of erwin if he will never do anything (except from the shitty talk no jutsu that is ridiculous)

Aot was great when it was about survival and about unraveling the mystery of what humanity doesn't know, once the mystery is gone and the time for real development of characters and resolution of the problems raised came, the writer failed miserably in my opinion. As a result the series achieved nothing at all thematically, instead it distroyed itself by replying on fantasy elements (time travel the way isayama presented it, ymir being still alive, the paths that weren't even explained, the ability to see future..)

shyn_M21 said:

Thanks for responding. Almost completely agree. The fumbling is laughable. The ending is literally the worst ending I've seen in any story even outside of manga/anime. The only thing that can compare with it is GoT s8. As for the things i mildly disagree with are paths stuff and eren's character post timeskip. I really liked paths at first and if executed greatly could've been one of the best plot points in the series.(which with how things turend out it is as far from a good plot point as eren is from freedom in 139) and as about eren's character post timeskip. I loved his character. He was actually one of my favorite protagonists at one point. And i don't think it didn't match with his character pre timeskip and that it felt a completely new character at all(scratch the ending ofc) if you go back and look at his character before and the character arcs he went through. I loved the results and the potential. But...the problem i always had with him was narratively. We never saw how 131 eren became the Marley eren. We saw him at point A and B yet we never saw how he went from one to the other. Ofc at the beginning of the timeskip i understand because it's a timeskip and we know about nothing and you want to keep the mystery but after that there is no reason for you to not explore him and not write a good character arc. That is one of the reasons i hate the fumbling. Eren is just completely scratched off from the story and there is no pov. After 123 which we now know everything about his plan and all and you don't need to keep us away from his headspace, well now this is the time! But no, genocide is wrong. Eren js just a final boss for the alliance to defeat. So yeah, you hate to see it. Ah and if you don't mind i'm curious about 2 more things. Despite what a travesty the ending was and how much(in fact completely) it ruins the series, why did you still gave it an 8? And what do you think about the AnR theory?(not necessarily aot no requiem)

hamza121419 said:
i still gave it a 8 out of respect to what came before marley arc, it was once in my top 5 stories of all time, but even those great moments are now ruined, i can't rewatch or reread aot anymore, and i don't give a fuck about the arn theory or any other theory, i'm not a big fan of what anime and manga do with time travel and stuff like that (only steins gate is the exception) and as I said my problems with aot begins from marely arc and i don't see any way of saving it from having a bad ending after introducing path, ymir's back story and with the whole power system of titans that is so random. You can't introduce stuff like this at the very end of the story and hope you can end it well. The only way is to rewrite stuff and to introduce these elements way back in the middle (which means there had to be other new arcs) i think it's important to have a character arc for eren instead of time skipp (12 chapters to show what eren is going through and how he became what he became in marely arc) but still i don't know how the later part should be to conclude the series in a satisfying way.

I've read the aot no requiem version, i think it's slightly better than what isayama did but it was just them repeating the lines of eren, there was no real progress in my opinion. This version introduced some new elements that should have been developed before this moment, like the idea of "meaning" of life and the possibility to see the possible outcomes of multiple decisions through the attack and the founding power. Anr doesn't solve any of my problems with the series so i'm not really interested to see what they will do, but i think they will do better than actual ending, because i can't imagine anything worse.

My ratings are like this:

Pre-time skipp : 9.5/10 (rts being the peak of the series)
Marley : 7.5-8/10
War for paradise : 8/10 (would have been a 9 if not for the path stuff, ymir's back story, and reviving zeke)
Rumbling : 2-3/10 (ending being 1/10)

shyn_M21 said:

Interesting you have wfp above marley. To me that was when the problem of post timeskip started showing.(scouts being dumb af, armin acting ooc, table scene, the beginning of the arc being rushed, pieck building her character in that speech just to ignore all the logical points she herself made cause of NAKAMA,...)