Why does Satoko want Keichi to die in Gou?

Vu_Qu_Huy said:
So most of us might be able to guess what will happen in episode 10 of Sotsu
Keichi will get knocked by Teppei but, eventually, will be able to survive
Most of the gang will die by Oishi's amazing gun skills (the man kills by giving people headshots, badass)

But the question is why does Keichi have to die? Furthermore, why does Satoko want Keichi to die?

Shouldn't Rika's death be the only one necessary?

In the Gou Manga, he was clearly knocked down by Oishi
However, the anime showed that Teppei was the one who knocked him down

Additionally but most importantly, it was indicated that, in the Manga, Satoko didn't want Keichi to die. She attempted to hold him back but Keichi, being the absolute best friend, went and tried to save Rika.

(Quick summary, Keichi didn't go to her house, he went with the gang and had fun. Sadly, Oishi shot Rika while she was doing her performance. Everyone tried to stop him but failed by being shot in the head. Keichi didn't die because he was knocked down by Oishi's gun. Satoko did try to stop him but he still went.)

The first two arcs in the Manga stayed mostly consistent with the Anime so the third arc shouldn't be drastically diverse between them. In other words, Satoko asking Keichi to come to her house should have the same intention as the Satoko in the Manga.

Did she want to show him something? Or was Satoko truly evil and wanted to kill Keichi?

Danpmss said:


She doesn't want him or anyone to die, Looper Satoko is just a fucker using kakeras as means to a "happy ending for everyone", which for the most part is a happy ending for her and most definitely a bad ending for Rika.

She wants Rika to go back to her defeatist mindset from pre-Matsuribayashi Higurashi and just accept it's fate that she can't leave Hinamizawa, and by then she will have made a supposed even better ending.

Everything and anything in between she is treating as pieces to be moved in order to achieve that goal, so it doesn't really matter if K1 or ayone ends up getting killed (surprisingly enough, K1 is a tank and survived some crazy shit so far lol, she would have to actually try to get him killed).

She doesn't seem to plan much ahead and the killings from the infected can be unpredictable at times, like what happened in Wata.

Vu_Qu_Huy said:


She did try to kill him by leading him into her house. I don't know if that was intentional or not. I know that Teppei was most likely the killer as Keichi didn't have any major hallucinations in these arcs.

Teppei almost killed Keichi but failed.

Chargecoulomb said:

Ryuukishi is doing some weird messaging with SotsuGou, for someone who emphasizes how important it is to protect Children, he goes and turns someone who very clearly abused and wanted to rape a child into a good rootable character.

Si1verR0se said:

But "Teppei deserved redemtpion", wdym? lmao

Edit. On a serious note though, some could argue that "What he thought is not what he did". But I still don't understand how it makes him "deserved redemption" person. Like, to deserve redemption, a character need some humanity and Teppei was a complete bastard full of shit and thoughts of having sex with Satoko when she gets older. He didn't have a good side, unlike Takano. He wasn't forced to do this shit, unlike Takano. Hence he didn't have anything to be actually some sort of likeable character, unlike Takano.
Why do I mention Takano? Because some stupid defenders saying "But Takano get her redemption, even thoug she killed people". Man, those SotsuGou defenders are as stupid as SotsuGou writers lol

Also, I want you to remember for what deed Takano asked for Rika's forgiveness. She said "I'm so sorry that I killed(or was going to kill) you". She asked to forgive her for what she was planning to do. She didn't say "Sorry that I killed your parents". What a stupid ask for forgiveness

Ryukishi surely forget his own words in the end of Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi, what a greedy bastard.

Vu_Qu_Huy said:


Having x with Satoko?
Was that in the Visual Novel or in the recent episode

Because if you are taking the panties scene from the recent Sotsu episode, that is a bit too much

That scene was mostly supposed to be comedic

Kilarn said:
I don't understand why you expect eternal punishment for bad guys in When They Cry. Each arc is a different kakeras, so Ryukishi07 only does what he want because the universe itself allow him to do what he want. Teppei's "redemption" is a kind of "miracle" event. I mean, why not?

I thought it was quite clear from the beginning of the whole series. Each of the characters, especially in Hinamizawa, has his own bag of sins. You should reread the R07's interview at the end of Meakashi-hen. Even though messages are carried in the VN (children protection), you should not think these new stories are conflicting the original message (which is still valid).

Chargecoulomb said:


True enough, but the scope of their respective sins is waaaay different.

K1 ---> Injured a girl by accident.
Rena ---> Rampage as result of attempted sexual assult.
And so on..

It takes a special type of evil to be a child abuser.

Hulio said:
How is this redemption a "miracle" event?
The only reason he's really getting this "redemption" is because Satoko (the greatest and most benevolent character of all time) is giving it for him.

Hulio said:
You make it sound like you agree with this "redemption through dreams".

Let's say there would be in your cozy friendly neighbourhood, one Teppei.
A criminal sleazebag who abused children for years.
Then one night he will have a dream and somewhat regret? everything he's done.

Will you be the first one shaking his hand and forgiving him for everything he's done? I wouldn't.

Kilarn said:
...well, if there was Teppei in real life, he would be already in jail.

People doesn't make dreams of their previous lifes... But what about if they could?

Comparison with real life is useless. I can't agree or disagree with this "redemption through dreams" thing. I'm not watching this anime to compare it with reality.

Anyway, no one, out of Satoko, is believing Teppei is now a good guy. It's even the contrary, the whole Hinamizawa is still fighting him strongly. So there is nothing fundamentally wrong with this arc for me.

Hulio said:
No, why would he be? There's no proof.
The victim would say nothing happened.

Hulio said:

It's not useless, you're just refusing acknowledge the point.
You'd probably be inclined to say that you wouldn't forgive them in the real life, but that would only make your feelings towards Teppei controversial.

Hulio said:

No one is believing Teppei "is a good guy", no one wouldn't believe it either.
And if Satoko didn't become evil, she would stay away from him aswell.

You really think that Satoko is thinking... Teppei is now a good guy? :D
I don't think she's giving two shits about anyone atm, least of all Teppei.

Kilarn said:
Plus when the guy is a pimp and is known for other illegal activities by the Prefecture Police (Oishi), it's just a non sense he could approach Satoko.

And I don't judge people. We have a court system for that. I'm not competent in this field :)

But you can't deny there are moments where she really considers him and have pity for him.

Hulio said:
I doubt there's any pity anywhere left in her.

Kilarn said:
I'm not really here to argue or justify my comments, but I'll still go through your reply.



Child welfare services don't rely only on the child's testimonies. Testimonies from the teacher and any other key people surrounding the child are sufficient to remove the guard of a child "in real life". Plus when the guy is a pimp and is known for other illegal activities by the Prefecture Police (Oishi), it's just a non sense he could approach Satoko. Okay, perhaps he could be free in real life, but still with adequate monitoring or movement restriction. Anyway, again, it's a fiction, characters are free and reality is twisted for the sake of the scenario.



Acknowledge what? Even in real life, it would make no sense for me to "forgive" someone I'm totally unrelated. If I'm not the victim of his actions, I don't have to provide any kind of forgiveness. Don't ask me to put me in Satoko's shoes: no one can. And I don't judge people. We have a court system for that. I'm not competent in this field :)



I would not be so strict on this point. Yes, Satoko is manipulating Teppei, no doubt about it.
Nevertheless, I still think Satoko found some good parts in him. Okay, saying she considers him as a "good guy" is probably too much, and she has other agendas that being friendly with everyone at the moment. But you can't deny there are moments where she really considers him and have pity for him.

You don't have pity for someone you despite.

Nevertheless, we're off the topic right now. I understand your comments, but I keep my convictions on some points.

Kilarn said:


*smirk*
Now, there is no pity left! *cackle* *cackle* *cackle*

Edit: By the way, it's not the first time someone remembered memories from past world. It's already in the VN.