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Jul 5, 2021 1:20 PM
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This has been a recurring trope that something terrible happens in a kingdom and it turns out the noble people (or at least the royal family) were unaware of it and they then personally use their power to correct the wrong done.
I can't help but think that people writing these scenarios over and over again must be snobs with a very naive image of monarchy and feudal system. This is especially common in such run-of-the-mill isekai and fantasy genre anime.
The gist of it is in many anime, the story kind of tries to absolve royal family of their misdeeds/shortcomings by later heroically saving the day and I don't like it.
Jul 5, 2021 1:27 PM
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Are you saying it’s not realistic that the princess wanted to protect the boy who saved her life? Makes sense to me.

As for the royal family, you always have Shield Hero if you want to see a scummy royal family.
Jul 5, 2021 1:31 PM
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Mq84jdk said:
Are you saying it’s not realistic that the princess wanted to protect the boy who saved her life? Makes sense to me.

As for the royal family, you always have Shield Hero if you want to see a scummy royal family.

I am saying that it was the duty of that white haired girl who talked to him when they had first come to the slums.
Also I'm saying the whole scenario that the princess' intentions were good but her corrupt underlings did bad things is what is recurring and snobbish.
Jul 5, 2021 1:34 PM
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Well i mean they didn't live in medieval times so they probably wont have a good idea of them. But yeah i get what you are trying to say its kinda annoying. At least its satisfying when those royals get put in their place.
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Jul 5, 2021 2:20 PM
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The authors usually don’t intend to make these type of things realistic and their writers not historians. They write like so to make it interesting or sometimes they write following what’s popular so it can sell.
Jul 6, 2021 1:46 AM
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I think they might not did research maybe because this is a fantasy world so it doesn't have to mimic real life royalties. But I guess it would have been better if they did cause we the viewers may recognize something familiar
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Jul 6, 2021 5:48 AM
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Can't say for sure, but it could be an instance of "I don't want any of my characters to be disliked."

It comes up a lot in badly written works, the author cannot bear to have any of their characters received negatively, so they try and have everyone constantly absolved of wrongdoing, hoping that if their creations are all paragons of virtue, that'll make them popular.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Jul 7, 2021 5:19 AM
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Taking "fantasy" as an excuse to not do research or at least make it logicalin the own world buildinghhas nothing to do with fantasyits just lazy and bad writing.
The highestin command is responsiblefor his subordinates actions. That the case irl and in this show.
Jul 7, 2021 10:18 AM
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It doesn't really get explained in the anime but the king is aware of their power abuse yet can't do anything to them; It's because that guy is a son of a head faction noble.

Basically in this world setting, the royal is in the middle of two big noble faction fighting each others for political advantage plus one neutral faction. Both factions has their own follower and private army (big enough to contend with kingdom army directly below royal's command) so they can technically pull coup d'etat easily. The king is aware of that and that's why he tolerates a lot of stuffs as long as the power balance in their kingdom is being kept. What happen if the king suddenly punished the guy who abused his power without enough justification? His father, the head faction noble and his followers will most certainly retaliate by pressuring the royals with his political and military power. And I doubt the other faction will readily help the royals without taking any advantage to boost their own political power. That Vanessa girl is aware of that, and that's why she left him alone even after witnessing Rio got tortured. I mean, who would choose an unknown orphan over a son of head faction noble? It will only complicate their power balance later on.

I read a lot of jp and cn webnovel with similiar settings and most of them are written like this. The royals don't really have the power to do everything including punishing the wrongs and rewarding the rights; they usually divide their power to noble factions. Understandable because if everything is concentrated under the royals then it will easily lead into tyranny. Though whether it is really like this in real life is unknown because we don't live in medieval era.
Jul 11, 2021 5:28 AM

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Why are you asking about mangaka? They are hardworking artist who have to also come up with story. Seirei gensouki is just another light novel garbage. Shitwriting needs no effort.
Jul 11, 2021 7:24 AM
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bastek66 said:
Why are you asking about mangaka? They are hardworking artist who have to also come up with story. Seirei gensouki is just another light novel garbage. Shitwriting needs no effort.

I thought mangaka were the ones incharge of the plot. Anime is relatively new (watching for 5 months or so) for me. I don't really know what are Light Novels and who writes them. :P
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eliecher said:
bastek66 said:
Why are you asking about mangaka? They are hardworking artist who have to also come up with story. Seirei gensouki is just another light novel garbage. Shitwriting needs no effort.

I thought mangaka were the ones incharge of the plot. Anime is relatively new (watching for 5 months or so) for me. I don't really know what are Light Novels and who writes them. :P

Mangaka does manga. LNs are done by shit-writers.
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Taking "fantasy" as an excuse to not do research or at least make it logicalin the own world buildinghhas nothing to do with fantasyits just lazy and bad writing.
The highestin command is responsiblefor his subordinates actions. That the case irl and in this show.


Yes, take a look at Mushoku Tensei to see all the historical accuracy the animators went to the effort to research in regards to medieval culture, technology, etc.
Jul 16, 2021 10:33 AM
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Are you one of those anime onlys?
Jul 16, 2021 1:51 PM
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MrPeabody said:
Are you one of those anime onlys?

Yes. At least till now. But isn't the story of anime similar if not same to the manga/LN?
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eliecher said:
MrPeabody said:
Are you one of those anime onlys?

Yes. At least till now. But isn't the story of anime similar if not same to the manga/LN?
They are same story but as of Episode 2 there are scenes in the Anime that are not from the LN or at least got revised, the anime cut some important conversation too.
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who the fuck cares, the plot is just a side dish, the main ingredient of this show is how the MC is going to have a harem of lolis
Jul 18, 2021 3:06 AM
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eliecher said:
This has been a recurring trope that something terrible happens in a kingdom and it turns out the noble people (or at least the royal family) were unaware of it and they then personally use their power to correct the wrong done.
I can't help but think that people writing these scenarios over and over again must be snobs with a very naive image of monarchy and feudal system. This is especially common in such run-of-the-mill isekai and fantasy genre anime.
The gist of it is in many anime, the story kind of tries to absolve royal family of their misdeeds/shortcomings by later heroically saving the day and I don't like it.

Light novel authors don't give a rat's ass about historic accuracy of the story. Novels supposed to be entertaining, leading to sales, leading to additional volumes published. Punishing royal family for their misdeeds/shortcomings can be a basis for a novel series but there is no reason why every single novel has to be written like that.

It looks like you have a "very naive image of monarchy and feudal system" yourself. It was a method to keep and control land specific for medieval level of technology. It was not inherently evil and royal family couldn't control every single aspect of it. Try as you may there would be some misdeeds, shortcomings and injustices. Some of them would be corrected and some would be not. There is no reason why royal family has always to be on the "wrong" side or responsible for everything.

The episode in question doesn't even have anything to do with either monarchy or feudalism. This is a trivial case of abuse of power by a local boss and correction of this behavior by his superior. In contrast to it actual land owning vassal under feudalism often had significant freedom for abuse on territory he controlled. He had obligations to his lord but they were often limited to taxes and military support.

eliecher said:
I am saying that it was the duty of that white haired girl who talked to him when they had first come to the slums.

Why would it be? She was participating in search as a mage specialist, she is not in the chain of command and doesn't decide what happens with this boy. Her work is a teacher in academy. "Detain suspicious people until circumstances are investigated" is a standard procedure even now and it is handled by specially trained people, the police. If police tortures prisoners, it's on them, not some random people who witnessed the arrest.

Also I'm saying the whole scenario that the princess' intentions were good but her corrupt underlings did bad things is what is recurring and snobbish.

The princess was unconscious, she had no any intentions. The decision was made by adult guard they had in the group, she had good reasons to make it. The guy who tortured the boy was acting on his own initiative, no one else did anything wrong.

There is nothing wrong about this scenario. For some reason you want it to be princess' fault but it just isn't. Nothing snobbish about it, this is just not the story you are looking for.
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eliecher said:
This has been a recurring trope that something terrible happens in a kingdom and it turns out the noble people (or at least the royal family) were unaware of it and they then personally use their power to correct the wrong done.
I can't help but think that people writing these scenarios over and over again must be snobs with a very naive image of monarchy and feudal system. This is especially common in such run-of-the-mill isekai and fantasy genre anime.
The gist of it is in many anime, the story kind of tries to absolve royal family of their misdeeds/shortcomings by later heroically saving the day and I don't like it.

Light novel authors don't give a rat's ass about historic accuracy of the story. Novels supposed to be entertaining, leading to sales, leading to additional volumes published. Punishing royal family for their misdeeds/shortcomings can be a basis for a novel series but there is no reason why every single novel has to be written like that.

It looks like you have a "very naive image of monarchy and feudal system" yourself. It was a method to keep and control land specific for medieval level of technology. It was not inherently evil and royal family couldn't control every single aspect of it. Try as you may there would be some misdeeds, shortcomings and injustices. Some of them would be corrected and some would be not. There is no reason why royal family has always to be on the "wrong" side or responsible for everything.

The episode in question doesn't even have anything to do with either monarchy or feudalism. This is a trivial case of abuse of power by a local boss and correction of this behavior by his superior. In contrast to it actual land owning vassal under feudalism often had significant freedom for abuse on territory he controlled. He had obligations to his lord but they were often limited to taxes and military support.

eliecher said:
I am saying that it was the duty of that white haired girl who talked to him when they had first come to the slums.

Why would it be? She was participating in search as a mage specialist, she is not in the chain of command and doesn't decide what happens with this boy. Her work is a teacher in academy. "Detain suspicious people until circumstances are investigated" is a standard procedure even now and it is handled by specially trained people, the police. If police tortures prisoners, it's on them, not some random people who witnessed the arrest.

Also I'm saying the whole scenario that the princess' intentions were good but her corrupt underlings did bad things is what is recurring and snobbish.

The princess was unconscious, she had no any intentions. The decision was made by adult guard they had in the group, she had good reasons to make it. The guy who tortured the boy was acting on his own initiative, no one else did anything wrong.

There is nothing wrong about this scenario. For some reason you want it to be princess' fault but it just isn't. Nothing snobbish about it, this is just not the story you are looking for.

Agreeable.

You really need to understand the story better before complaining about it but even complaining really doesn't do you anything but feel pitiful and you know the rest cuz I've been there. I'd recommend either read the Novel or Manga (whatever source it was originally from) if you don't understand the story.

While I do love those kinds of plots about nobility and royalty, I don't know why someone would even bother stating that this should be like this. What happened in the real world or perhaps in other stories shouldn't be the standard template for a story if it has that kind of personalities/characters in it. lol. Imagine creating with or without variations and especially if you did and the way you foretell the story sucks then its trash either way. O: P.S. Senrei Gensouki is not trash and I love it.
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
Jul 19, 2021 12:42 PM
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eliecher said:
This has been a recurring trope that something terrible happens in a kingdom and it turns out the noble people (or at least the royal family) were unaware of it and they then personally use their power to correct the wrong done.
I can't help but think that people writing these scenarios over and over again must be snobs with a very naive image of monarchy and feudal system. This is especially common in such run-of-the-mill isekai and fantasy genre anime.
The gist of it is in many anime, the story kind of tries to absolve royal family of their misdeeds/shortcomings by later heroically saving the day and I don't like it.


I take back what I said. After seeing ep 3, I feel like everyone in the nobility other than the royal family is scum.

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