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Mar 25, 2021 11:18 PM
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"Filtering" is a term use when a certain thing has a mechanism to make people gatekeep themselves, and is used a lot in media.
For instance, the "Bell Gargoyles" boss battle in Dark Souls I (Or "the Pursuer" boss battle in Dark Souls II) are considered "filters", as one will not easily defeat them without learning certain mechanics the game expects you to. The logic of "filtering" is that "If one surpasses the filter, he will be able to go through the whole things. If one is filtered, it would have dropped it one way or another".
"Filtering" tends to be the best for of gatekeeping, as in the end the ones that are not filtered will not notice there was a filter, and the ones that were would distance themselves from their own volition.
For instance, many tropes and types of humor found in anime wouldn't bother the average "weeb", they wouldn't even notice that "something is weird" unless someone pointed them that, while at the same time they could make an average "normie" uncomfortable.

Mushoku Tensei has it's on genius on touching on a theme pretty much no western series touches , which isn't what i'm going to talk about. What i want to focus is that: Perhaps it's "filter" was intentional.
What i like to say is that "The good part of something indie is that the author can write whatever he wants. The bad part of something indie is also that the author can write whatever he wants".
Perhaps it was intentional to present something that would create a minor discomfort in some viewers (Which would make the most sensitive to it outright drop the series) as a signal that the author intents to go deeper in that subject and prefers that whoever wants to drop it to do it now. Made in Abyss works in a similar principle.

I still find baffling that some people would consider themselves "critics" while being extremely unprofessional to the point of badmouthing the anime for presenting something that isn't really that bad, but i do not find faults in people deciding to drop the anime, in case the "filter" was intentional.

That being so, i wanna hear your opinion: Was that an "intentional filter" from the start or maybe I'm overthinking stuff?

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Mar 25, 2021 11:46 PM
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Nice take on this, but no. I don’t think it is intentionally “filtered.” All of the troupes in mushoku tensei are very common. The underage shit that people complain about are also common as well (found in hentai). It’s obvious that the author’s writing is catered towards the Japanese demographic, which has a different culture compared to the West, and most of the complaining is coming from the Westerners. So no, it isn’t intentionally filtered
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Mar 26, 2021 12:04 AM
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Here we go again, every single days.
Mar 26, 2021 12:05 AM
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lol this is good take .But honestly the author has himself said that he used erotica as an inspiration aswell for mushoku . So the sexual stuff you see now , and the stuff you will see in future seasons ,they are more or less his fetishes. This doesnt make it bad .Infact its my number one favourite novel for its best character development which is very relatable . Other great anime such as AOT or tokyo ghoul the character development isnt relatable at all infact it feels a bit edgy at times.
. But it is infact obvious why he uses such themes. Rarely will you find an author who has threesomes every once in a volume and still potray such a great story.
Mar 26, 2021 12:14 AM
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I agree, the author definitely showed his intentions early on and then went a bit wild with them, but in an enjoyable way. Some people think that he did this to piss off western viewers which I find laughable, since no one a 25 volume novel to piss off westerners or at least delve into topics they’re uncomfortable with. I would say with mushoku the filtering is entirely intentional at least to an extent. Someone would probably find this story enjoyable while hating the ecchi and pedophile like parts but they could never love it.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:19 AM
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For GAMES, the "filter" you mention seems to be simply "knowing how to play the game".

For writing stories, I don't think any author purposedly writes things to filter out certain kind of people, they just write things they like and people who share the same taste will naturally consume the content, while others won't. It's just natural.

Btw people watching anime regularly are already not "normies" and are probably familiar with ecchi and hentai and all the generic tropes used in MT. They still disliked it.

MT could have been a proper hentai or a proper adventure/redemption story, but it tried to be both and ended up failing. Consistency and logical storywriting go directly to the trash bin when you're trying hard to make plot convenience to come up with ecchi situations. That's what I get from reading negative reviews, they just couldn't take the anime seriously.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:20 AM
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SirTristamSfan said:
lol this is good take .But honestly the author has himself said that he used erotica as an inspiration aswell for mushoku . So the sexual stuff you see now , and the stuff you will see in future seasons ,they are more or less his fetishes. This doesnt make it bad .Infact its my number one favourite novel for its best character development which is very relatable . Other great anime such as AOT or tokyo ghoul the character development isnt relatable at all infact it feels a bit edgy at times.
. But it is infact obvious why he uses such themes. Rarely will you find an author who has threesomes every once in a volume and still potray such a great story.

I agree. I’m on vol 16 of the web novel ( vol 15 for the light novel due to volume 7) and not once have I felt like I can’t relate to rudeus in some kind of way. He’s never once strayed from being a human even though he’s in a fantasy world with exceptional power. He doesn’t ever do anything edgy and hangs out with friends that also feel very human. You can never relate to characters like naruto and kaneki and more importantly learn anything substantial, that’s not bad or anything but they feel very detached from us. I feel like I know rudeus personally. I never understood why people would say something like that prior to reading this.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:41 AM
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StoneFreee said:
SirTristamSfan said:
lol this is good take .But honestly the author has himself said that he used erotica as an inspiration aswell for mushoku . So the sexual stuff you see now , and the stuff you will see in future seasons ,they are more or less his fetishes. This doesnt make it bad .Infact its my number one favourite novel for its best character development which is very relatable . Other great anime such as AOT or tokyo ghoul the character development isnt relatable at all infact it feels a bit edgy at times.
. But it is infact obvious why he uses such themes. Rarely will you find an author who has threesomes every once in a volume and still potray such a great story.

I agree. I’m on vol 16 of the web novel ( vol 15 for the light novel due to volume 7) and not once have I felt like I can’t relate to rudeus in some kind of way. He’s never once strayed from being a human even though he’s in a fantasy world with exceptional power. He doesn’t ever do anything edgy and hangs out with friends that also feel very human. You can never relate to characters like naruto and kaneki and more importantly learn anything substantial, that’s not bad or anything but they feel very detached from us. I feel like I know rudeus personally. I never understood why people would say something like that prior to reading this.


Ikr ,if even some trivial thing such as a father son or a brother sister reunion can make you cry, you know that the novel is special . People like to shit on this without even reading the novel. This may or maynot be a masterpiece but its something really special.
Mar 26, 2021 12:53 AM
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SirTristamSfan said:
People like to shit on this without even reading the novel.


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.
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Mar 26, 2021 1:12 AM

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skysurf said:
SirTristamSfan said:
People like to shit on this without even reading the novel.


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.
Man, I swear I've been bamboozled too many times at the "The <Insert source here> is better" and then find it's either just the same, or worse.
Mar 26, 2021 1:41 AM
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StoneFreee said:
SirTristamSfan said:
lol this is good take .But honestly the author has himself said that he used erotica as an inspiration aswell for mushoku . So the sexual stuff you see now , and the stuff you will see in future seasons ,they are more or less his fetishes. This doesnt make it bad .Infact its my number one favourite novel for its best character development which is very relatable . Other great anime such as AOT or tokyo ghoul the character development isnt relatable at all infact it feels a bit edgy at times.
. But it is infact obvious why he uses such themes. Rarely will you find an author who has threesomes every once in a volume and still potray such a great story.

I agree. I’m on vol 16 of the web novel ( vol 15 for the light novel due to volume 7) and not once have I felt like I can’t relate to rudeus in some kind of way. He’s never once strayed from being a human even though he’s in a fantasy world with exceptional power. He doesn’t ever do anything edgy and hangs out with friends that also feel very human. You can never relate to characters like naruto and kaneki and more importantly learn anything substantial, that’s not bad or anything but they feel very detached from us. I feel like I know rudeus personally. I never understood why people would say something like that prior to reading this.


I honestly cannot comprehence how you can develop a pedopile into a relatable 'thing' (im anime only btw)
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Antos_8 said:
StoneFreee said:

I agree. I’m on vol 16 of the web novel ( vol 15 for the light novel due to volume 7) and not once have I felt like I can’t relate to rudeus in some kind of way. He’s never once strayed from being a human even though he’s in a fantasy world with exceptional power. He doesn’t ever do anything edgy and hangs out with friends that also feel very human. You can never relate to characters like naruto and kaneki and more importantly learn anything substantial, that’s not bad or anything but they feel very detached from us. I feel like I know rudeus personally. I never understood why people would say something like that prior to reading this.


I honestly cannot comprehence how you can develop a pedopile into a relatable 'thing' (im anime only btw)

Ah he stops being a pedo. Also I didn’t know I had to specify but I don’t relate to everything he does. Rudy is scum at the start but becomes better. And honestly I’m not a pedo, I can see his problems but at the end of the day he’s fictional and comes from a fictional story from another nation and gets special rules applied to him, I’m able to separate fiction from reality. I stopped thinking about it like most other readers after awhile.
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Mar 26, 2021 1:55 AM
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skysurf said:
SirTristamSfan said:
People like to shit on this without even reading the novel.


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.

Because it obviously does get better according to them?
Why would you think that people would say otherwise if it actually does get better?
Mar 26, 2021 1:57 AM
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Tylaen said:
skysurf said:


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.
Man, I swear I've been bamboozled too many times at the "The <Insert source here> is better" and then find it's either just the same, or worse.

I’d say novels and manga are different. Most manga are usually good adaptations and a show has to have a major problem studio wise to fail a manga adaptation. But when adapting a book u have to change, visualize and cut many many things out and my experience reading vol 3 was extremely different then watching it in the anime. I can understand the notion because your mostly right however there are always exceptions.
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As much of a difference east and west culture has I don’t think author did it cause of filtering. You could argue that in terms of marketing the author just didn’t have the west in mind as the element and tropes it uses was fairly common. The anime industry nearly always prioritize Japan anime market above everything which is why we got so many anime setting in high schools. So gate keeping is not for the west where light novel is still a niche media.
Mar 26, 2021 2:08 AM
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"Filtering" is a term use when a certain thing has a mechanism to make people gatekeep themselves, and is used a lot in media.
For instance, the "Bell Gargoyles" boss battle in Dark Souls I (Or "the Pursuer" boss battle in Dark Souls II) are considered "filters", as one will not easily defeat them without learning certain mechanics the game expects you to. The logic of "filtering" is that "If one surpasses the filter, he will be able to go through the whole things. If one is filtered, it would have dropped it one way or another".
"Filtering" tends to be the best for of gatekeeping, as in the end the ones that are not filtered will not notice there was a filter, and the ones that were would distance themselves from their own volition.
For instance, many tropes and types of humor found in anime wouldn't bother the average "weeb", they wouldn't even notice that "something is weird" unless someone pointed them that, while at the same time they could make an average "normie" uncomfortable.

Mushoku Tensei has it's on genius on touching on a theme pretty much no western series touches , which isn't what i'm going to talk about. What i want to focus is that: Perhaps it's "filter" was intentional.
What i like to say is that "The good part of something indie is that the author can write whatever he wants. The bad part of something indie is also that the author can write whatever he wants".
Perhaps it was intentional to present something that would create a minor discomfort in some viewers (Which would make the most sensitive to it outright drop the series) as a signal that the author intents to go deeper in that subject and prefers that whoever wants to drop it to do it now. Made in Abyss works in a similar principle.

I still find baffling that some people would consider themselves "critics" while being extremely unprofessional to the point of badmouthing the anime for presenting something that isn't really that bad, but i do not find faults in people deciding to drop the anime, in case the "filter" was intentional.

That being so, i wanna hear your opinion: Was that an "intentional filter" from the start or maybe I'm overthinking stuff?



I never heard about this "filtering" but it is probably the case of Mushoku, from the beginning the work shows that the old life of Rudeus is a scoundrel and that all the conscience that he had in his past life directly influences his actions.

In the anime it is being shown that he is a scrotum over time, in LN the author makes sure that in the prologue he shows how shit he was.
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Tylaen said:
skysurf said:


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.
Man, I swear I've been bamboozled too many times at the "The <Insert source here> is better" and then find it's either just the same, or worse.


It really gonna depends what you consider as good enough to be better. Rudy as a general person does get objectively better but even the author stated in terms of perversion it just get tuned down. Better is very subjective in this sense so I can see why you’re dissatisfied with it.
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skysurf said:
SirTristamSfan said:
People like to shit on this without even reading the novel.


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.


Oh shit the legend itself. Go watch some actual pedo show before critsicing this
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1425942964 said:
Tylaen said:
Man, I swear I've been bamboozled too many times at the "The <Insert source here> is better" and then find it's either just the same, or worse.


It really gonna depends what you consider as good enough to be better. Rudy as a general person does get objectively better but even the author stated in terms of perversion it just get tuned down. Better is very subjective in this sense so I can see why you’re dissatisfied with it.
Given the author and the community at large, are keen to downplay Rudy's pedophilia as being "perverted", I am not keen to take the author's word for it.

I've heard conflicting reports, and that is where I'll leave that.
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Tylaen said:
1425942964 said:


It really gonna depends what you consider as good enough to be better. Rudy as a general person does get objectively better but even the author stated in terms of perversion it just get tuned down. Better is very subjective in this sense so I can see why you’re dissatisfied with it.
Given the author and the community at large, are keen to downplay Rudy's pedophilia as being "perverted", I am not keen to take the author's word for it.

I've heard conflicting reports, and that is where I'll leave that.


Fair enough, after seeing the college essays for ep 8 I can see why. Personally picked up the WN mid season as it did felt more bearable in the latter half.
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1425942964 said:
Tylaen said:
Given the author and the community at large, are keen to downplay Rudy's pedophilia as being "perverted", I am not keen to take the author's word for it.

I've heard conflicting reports, and that is where I'll leave that.


Fair enough, after seeing the college essays for ep 8 I can see why. Personally picked up the WN mid season as it did felt more bearable in the latter half.

I started my reread recently. Thankfully the light novel is being released at a decent pace. Going back through the web novel now was a bit painful with those translations and prose.
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StoneFreee said:
Antos_8 said:


I honestly cannot comprehence how you can develop a pedopile into a relatable 'thing' (im anime only btw)

Ah he stops being a pedo. Also I didn’t know I had to specify but I don’t relate to everything he does. Rudy is scum at the start but becomes better. And honestly I’m not a pedo, I can see his problems but at the end of the day he’s fictional and comes from a fictional story from another nation and gets special rules applied to him, I’m able to separate fiction from reality. I stopped thinking about it like most other readers after awhile.

Does he really? I heard from other that his pervertion is just tone down a bit and he has loli wife which does mean his preferent does not change, not only that he is also in poligamy relationship with 3 people. Me hearing about this just makes me disgust how much of reward the author give to the pedo. I really cannot comprehence the anount of justification you need to give in order to make me relate to a protagonist like this.
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Antos_8 said:
StoneFreee said:

Ah he stops being a pedo. Also I didn’t know I had to specify but I don’t relate to everything he does. Rudy is scum at the start but becomes better. And honestly I’m not a pedo, I can see his problems but at the end of the day he’s fictional and comes from a fictional story from another nation and gets special rules applied to him, I’m able to separate fiction from reality. I stopped thinking about it like most other readers after awhile.

Does he really? I heard from other that his pervertion is just tone down a bit and he has loli wife which does mean his preferent does not change, not only that he is also in poligamy relationship with 3 people. Me hearing about this just makes me disgust how much of reward the author give to the pedo. I really cannot comprehence the anount of justification you need to give in order to make me relate to a protagonist like this.

If his actions so far have disgusted you that much then it can’t be helped. You just cannot like rudeus which is fine, just something we can’t agree on.
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StoneFreee said:
Antos_8 said:

Does he really? I heard from other that his pervertion is just tone down a bit and he has loli wife which does mean his preferent does not change, not only that he is also in poligamy relationship with 3 people. Me hearing about this just makes me disgust how much of reward the author give to the pedo. I really cannot comprehence the anount of justification you need to give in order to make me relate to a protagonist like this.

If his actions so far have disgusted you that much then it can’t be helped. You just cannot like rudeus which is fine, just something we can’t agree on.

So that mean what i heard is true then, well i guess my expectation of this show being somekind of a meaningful redemption story goes out of the window then
Tch! how disappointing
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Antos_8 said:
StoneFreee said:

Ah he stops being a pedo. Also I didn’t know I had to specify but I don’t relate to everything he does. Rudy is scum at the start but becomes better. And honestly I’m not a pedo, I can see his problems but at the end of the day he’s fictional and comes from a fictional story from another nation and gets special rules applied to him, I’m able to separate fiction from reality. I stopped thinking about it like most other readers after awhile.

Does he really? I heard from other that his pervertion is just tone down a bit and he has loli wife which does mean his preferent does not change, not only that he is also in poligamy relationship with 3 people. Me hearing about this just makes me disgust how much of reward the author give to the pedo. I really cannot comprehence the anount of justification you need to give in order to make me relate to a protagonist like this.


wtf no!!!

he does not have a loli wife. people who are saying that are just lying because they have even read the novels and only getting false second-hand information. as for the polygamy part, he doesn't set out to have polyamorous relationships. If you continue with the story, you will see as to what happens and why. And as for multiple wives, in this society, it is the norm for nobles to have 2 or 3 wives. Rather it is only one continent, from where Zenith comes, where monogamy is enforced.

Honestly, don't read spoilers especially from people who just look at wiki and come to their own conclusion as to how the story got there without actually reading the novels.

As for the perversion part, his perversion is already toned down compared to what you saw in early half of season 1. And very soon, maybe at the end of the next cour, or start of season 3, he will go through a whole depression arc where he cant even think about sex due to a mental trauma.

His perversion does return but only with people who consent to it and rather they force their perversions on Rudy themselves.

And I have read the story, so I know what I am writing
rdturboMar 26, 2021 5:19 AM
Nagatsuki Tappei (ReZero): It goes without saying that "Mushoku Tensei" is interesting, but first of all, it's amazing that you were able to depict the life of one character, Rudy. People say that "CLANNAD" is life, but for me, "Mushoku Tensei" is life
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thewiru said:

Mushoku Tensei has it's on genius on touching on a theme pretty much no western series touches , which isn't what i'm going to talk about. What i want to focus is that: Perhaps it's "filter" was intentional.
What i like to say is that "The good part of something indie is that the author can write whatever he wants. The bad part of something indie is also that the author can write whatever he wants".
Perhaps it was intentional to present something that would create a minor discomfort in some viewers (Which would make the most sensitive to it outright drop the series) as a signal that the author intents to go deeper in that subject and prefers that whoever wants to drop it to do it now. Made in Abyss works in a similar principle.

There is no "filtering" on Mushoku Tensei. The anime is aimed at people knowing those tropes beforehand. Some people will always be uncomfortable with some subjects but the majority don't give a shit about it or are, on the contrary, entertained by them.

For example, Hannibal Lecter is a serial killer and a cannibal. Yet the character is popular and liked and "The Silence of the Lambs" is considered a good movie.
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rdturbo said:
Antos_8 said:

Does he really? I heard from other that his pervertion is just tone down a bit and he has loli wife which does mean his preferent does not change, not only that he is also in poligamy relationship with 3 people. Me hearing about this just makes me disgust how much of reward the author give to the pedo. I really cannot comprehence the anount of justification you need to give in order to make me relate to a protagonist like this.


wtf no!!!

he does not have a loli wife. people who are saying that are just lying because they have even read the novels and only getting false second-hand information. as for the polygamy part, he doesn't set out to have polyamorous relationships. If you continue with the story, you will see as to what happens and why. And as for multiple wives, in this society, it is the norm for nobles to have 2 or 3 wives. Rather it is only one continent, from where Zenith comes, where monogamy is enforced.

Honestly, don't read spoilers especially from people who just look at wiki and come to their own conclusion as to how the story got without actually reading the novels.

As for the perversion part, his perversion is already toned down compared to what you saw in early half of season 1. And very soon, maybe at the end of the next cour, or start of season 3, he will go through a whole depression arc where he cant even think about sex due to a mental trauma.

His perversion does return but only with people who consent to it and rather they force their perversions on Rudy themselves.

And I have read the story, so I know what I am writing

Why does he have to be written to have 3 wifes in the first place? Does he having 3 wife will contribute anything meaningful? I cannot think of any reason why the author does this other than giving him a harem.

I started watching this anime because i thought this one would be different from other isekai trash that is feeding the degenerate. i watched this show expecting it going to be a hard hitting, meaningful redemption story, but instead i saw a degenerate setting full of vulgarity that play as joke. But still keep pushing try to ignore all of that distracting element so that i can have the "juicy" part that other claim this show has, only for the season to end with a generic fantasy adventure.

So i have to read spoiler in order to justify the amount of time i waste on this show expecting it to be a meaningful redemption story, only to found out the pedo has a harem and his perversion has only just toned down. Not only that the unnessary amount of vulgarity still stay in the story which is absurd and makes me think why dont just make it a hentai in the first place.

And you said he has a depression, wow, how sorry for him, i also hope the scum don't end up having a harem in the future so that his punishment is actualy something impactful, not just a phase he has so that the author can me feel sorry for him.

Maybe it just my fault expecting too much from an isekai.. Tch
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Antos_8 said:
rdturbo said:


wtf no!!!

he does not have a loli wife. people who are saying that are just lying because they have even read the novels and only getting false second-hand information. as for the polygamy part, he doesn't set out to have polyamorous relationships. If you continue with the story, you will see as to what happens and why. And as for multiple wives, in this society, it is the norm for nobles to have 2 or 3 wives. Rather it is only one continent, from where Zenith comes, where monogamy is enforced.

Honestly, don't read spoilers especially from people who just look at wiki and come to their own conclusion as to how the story got without actually reading the novels.

As for the perversion part, his perversion is already toned down compared to what you saw in early half of season 1. And very soon, maybe at the end of the next cour, or start of season 3, he will go through a whole depression arc where he cant even think about sex due to a mental trauma.

His perversion does return but only with people who consent to it and rather they force their perversions on Rudy themselves.

And I have read the story, so I know what I am writing

Why does he have to be written to have 3 wifes in the first place? Does he having 3 wife will contribute anything meaningful? I cannot think of any reason why the author does this other than giving him a harem.

I started watching this anime because i thought this one would be different from other isekai trash that is feeding the degenerate. i watched this show expecting it going to be a hard hitting, meaningful redemtion story, but instead i saw a degenerate setting full with vulgarity that play as joke. But still keep pushing try to ignore all of that distracting element so that i can have the "juicy" part that other claim this show has, only for the season to end with a generic fantasy adventure.

So i have to read spoiler in order to justify the amount of time i waste on this show expecting it to be a meaningful redemtion story, only to found out the pedo has a harem and his perversion has only just toned down. Not only that the unnessary amount of vulgarity still stay in the story which is absurd and makes me think why dont just make it a hentai in the first place.

And you said he has a depression, wow, how sorry for him, i also hope the scum don't end up having a harem in the future so that his punishment is actualy something impactful, not just a phase he has so that the author can me feel sorry for him.

Maybe it just my fault expecting too much from an isekai.. Tch
"Why does he have to be written to have 3 wifes in the first place?"
Why not? I mean you might feel disgusted but don't expect everyone to be of the same opinion. Yeah you were expecting too much of it. and ffs put a spoiler tag in both of ya.
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So i have to read spoiler in order to justify the amount of time i waste on this show expecting it to be a meaningful redemption story, only to found out the pedo has a harem and his perversion has only just toned down. Not only that the unnessary amount of vulgarity still stay in the story which is absurd and makes me think why dont just make it a hentai in the first place.

Have you ever watched an hentai ? This show isn't ecchi to begin with...
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Why does he have to be written to have 3 wifes in the first place? Does he having 3 wife will contribute anything meaningful? I cannot think of any reason why the author does this other than giving him a harem.

I started watching this anime because i thought this one would be different from other isekai trash that is feeding the degenerate. i watched this show expecting it going to be a hard hitting, meaningful redemtion story, but instead i saw a degenerate setting full with vulgarity that play as joke. But still keep pushing try to ignore all of that distracting element so that i can have the "juicy" part that other claim this show has, only for the season to end with a generic fantasy adventure.

So i have to read spoiler in order to justify the amount of time i waste on this show expecting it to be a meaningful redemtion story, only to found out the pedo has a harem and his perversion has only just toned down. Not only that the unnessary amount of vulgarity still stay in the story which is absurd and makes me think why dont just make it a hentai in the first place.

And you said he has a depression, wow, how sorry for him, i also hope the scum don't end up having a harem in the future so that his punishment is actualy something impactful, not just a phase he has so that the author can me feel sorry for him.

Maybe it just my fault expecting too much from an isekai.. Tch
"Why does he have to be written to have 3 wifes in the first place?"
Why not? I mean you might feel disgusted but don't expect everyone to be of the same opinion. Yeah you were expecting too much of it. and ffs put a spoiler tag in both of ya.

Srry about the spoiler, but you are right, i shouldn't expect to much from a so called "father" of trash isekai in the first place.
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Antos_8 said:
So i have to read spoiler in order to justify the amount of time i waste on this show expecting it to be a meaningful redemption story, only to found out the pedo has a harem and his perversion has only just toned down. Not only that the unnessary amount of vulgarity still stay in the story which is absurd and makes me think why dont just make it a hentai in the first place.

Have you ever watched an hentai ? This show isn't ecchi to begin with...

I have read some spoiler and
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Ed907 said:

Have you ever watched an hentai ? This show isn't ecchi to begin with...

I have read some spoiler and

Stop reading malicious spoilers then, they are probably false or biased... And my advise is "stop considering sex subjects as a taboo, it's not".
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Have you ever watched an hentai ? This show isn't ecchi to begin with...

I have read some spoiler and


stop reading spoilers bro, if you ain't gonna continue watching the anime or read the novel.

I really don't get it. Y do people like spoiling the story for themselves so much.

And yeah the author has put messed up stuff in the novels. A lot of fans berated him for such stuff as well, but he kept on writing the way he wants. The elf part fucked me up as well, but her story ended beautifully.

This ain't the perfect novel nor is it gonna be the perfect anime, but for me its still one of the best stuff I have ever read.
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Antos_8 said:

I have read some spoiler and

Stop reading malicious spoilers then, they are probably false or biased... And my advise is "stop considering sex subjects as a taboo, it's not".
uhhhh....... yeah that's not false. She does have such a "curse"
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I still find baffling that some people would consider themselves "critics" while being extremely unprofessional to the point of badmouthing the anime for presenting something that isn't really that bad, but i do not find faults in people deciding to drop the anime, in case the "filter" was intentional.
First of all: they're not critics nor professionals. They're trolls who botted/brigaded troll reviews to the front page and have spent the past week baiting in this subforum with "oh, noes pedophilia" (some have 100% post like this). Yes, it's against MAL forum rules but mods are overworked and don't have time to play nanny with these children, so just ignore them entrirely. Yes, this includes ignoring them when they say they're not trolls and it's your fault for not respecting "opinions", or whatever.

As for the filtering, it's absolutely true because the author did want to explicitely portrait a protagonist that starts at the lowest of the low, so yes this acts a filter for those who are too closed minded to understand that the protagonist is not there so they can self-insert as an escapism mechanic; but it probably wasn't intentional that the protagonist actions in the beginning would act as a filter, because the author was an amateur when he started.

Finally, the "it gets better later" meme, it's not a meme but simple factual truth: watching a 1-2 cour anime is like reading chapter 1 of a book and then stopping; OF COURSE it gets better later. Remember that anime after 2000s is nothing more than 20 min weekly advertisement for another medium.
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Ed907 said:

Stop reading malicious spoilers then, they are probably false or biased... And my advise is "stop considering sex subjects as a taboo, it's not".
uhhhh....... yeah that's not false. She does have such a "curse"


I am sure skysurf will be back for that whichever season that takes place in.
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uhhhh....... yeah that's not false. She does have such a "curse"


I am sure skysurf will be back for that whichever season that takes place in.
You know it. It's going to be interesting to see their reactions to say the least. also some people are gonna bring that up in an argument right now you can count on it.
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Ed907 said:

Stop reading malicious spoilers then, they are probably false or biased... And my advise is "stop considering sex subjects as a taboo, it's not".
uhhhh....... yeah that's not false. She does have such a "curse"

That's original to say the least. So she probably likes men, i don't think that is a problem and i will wait to see how it is depicted and integrated to the story. As I said, the show isn't even ecchi, so if it's just vulgarity with talks about sex, i don't really mind...
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It really gonna depends what you consider as good enough to be better. Rudy as a general person does get objectively better but even the author stated in terms of perversion it just get tuned down. Better is very subjective in this sense so I can see why you’re dissatisfied with it.
Given the author and the community at large, are keen to downplay Rudy's pedophilia as being "perverted", I am not keen to take the author's word for it.

I've heard conflicting reports, and that is where I'll leave that.


I mean if we're being technical he is still perverted. There are pedophiles that are attracted to children but control themselves easiliy because they aren't perverted. If Rudeus wasn't perverted he would most likely not be exactly the way he is now, and would have a lot more self control.

But it makes sense though. He never exposed himself to right from wrong. He jacked off to porn most of his life(that tends to make people perverted if they do it from teenaged years). His knowledge of girls and dating only come from porn and video games. A.k.a He thinks females will automatically like him depending on what he does.
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I have read some spoiler and


stop reading spoilers bro, if you ain't gonna continue watching the anime or read the novel.

I really don't get it. Y do people like spoiling the story for themselves so much.

And yeah the author has put messed up stuff in the novels. A lot of fans berated him for such stuff as well, but he kept on writing the way he wants. The elf part fucked me up as well, but her story ended beautifully.

This ain't the perfect novel nor is it gonna be the perfect anime, but for me its still one of the best stuff I have ever read.

Like i said i have to read spoiler in order to justify the time i've spent on this crap and to see if it worth continue.
It is truly my fault that i bought the i idea that this show will be something different that i was going have some complex stuff.
But all i've seen is a bunch of disappointing hentai weeby trope that is scathering around the story unnessarily in the background overlaying the "deep" stuff that some claim the story has.
I would be fine if some fan would be more honest about this show, so i wouldn't have to waste my time watching a pretentious garbage isekai.
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People like to shit on this without even reading the novel.


Isn't that the same thing for every other anime based on a LN out there? People are evaluating the anime, not the novel. And it seems unlikely that they will pick up a novel if they didn't like the anime.

Source reader fans saying "it gets better" is almost a given in the anime community.


I mean what if its a Chainsaw Man type thing where everyone is gonna call Makima a "pedodphile" without knowing the main part of the story.
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That's original to say the least. So she probably likes men, i don't think that is a problem and i will wait to see how it is depicted and integrated to the story. As I said, the show isn't even ecchi, so if it's just vulgarity with talks about sex, i don't really mind...


The curse is one thing, but she's still enjoying it. She planed on joining a school to hunt for school boys and the term used when she sleep with some one is "milked dry".

And as weird as this might sound, I still think she's wholesome, a maiden at heart and a true family girl.
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uhhhh....... yeah that's not false. She does have such a "curse"

That's original to say the least. So she probably likes men, i don't think that is a problem and i will wait to see how it is depicted and integrated to the story. As I said, the show isn't even ecchi, so if it's just vulgarity with talks about sex, i don't really mind...

I don't mind sex and lewd stuff if it was handled right or intentional, but a girl that crave for sex and sperm because she was "cursed" sound down right lazy and it contribute nothing to the plot other than fetishes
Why don't make her poor prostitute, or a traumatized slave, or anything more jusfiable than a frikin "curse to have orgy"
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That's original to say the least. So she probably likes men, i don't think that is a problem and i will wait to see how it is depicted and integrated to the story. As I said, the show isn't even ecchi, so if it's just vulgarity with talks about sex, i don't really mind...


The curse is one thing, but she's still enjoying it. She planed on joining a school to hunt for school boys and the term used when she sleep with some one is "milked dry".

And as weird as this might sound, I still think she's wholesome, a maiden at heart and a true family girl.
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The curse is one thing, but she's still enjoying it. She planed on joining a school to hunt for school boys and the term used when she sleep with some one is "milked dry".

And as weird as this might sound, I still think she's wholesome, a maiden at heart and a true family girl.
Maybe I am a monster........... but i'm not alone.


i think during this arc, the author was a bit lost on what to do, so he introduced random crap but still tied it in with the story. that arc also made me realize that the world they live in is very dark
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I do not think Mushoku strays from the norms of most isekai harems. Taboo subjects are very common in anime ie Eromanga Sensei and Oreimo. Isekai genre often attracts a large audience so I do not consider there to be much gatekeeping from Mushoku Tensei. Not saying everyone will agree with how the mc behaves though.
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Ed907 said:

That's original to say the least. So she probably likes men, i don't think that is a problem and i will wait to see how it is depicted and integrated to the story. As I said, the show isn't even ecchi, so if it's just vulgarity with talks about sex, i don't really mind...

I don't mind sex and lewd stuff if it was handled right or intentional, but a girl that crave for sex and sperm because she was "cursed" sound down right lazy and it contribute nothing to the plot other than fetishes
Why don't make her poor prostitute, or a traumatized slave, or anything more jusfiable than a frikin "curse to have orgy"

Because the author don't fundamentally want to depict sex as a sin ? Why is forced sex trough prostitution or slavery more justifiable ? because sex is bad and should be depicted negatively ?
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Antos_8 said:

I don't mind sex and lewd stuff if it was handled right or intentional, but a girl that crave for sex and sperm because she was "cursed" sound down right lazy and it contribute nothing to the plot other than fetishes
Why don't make her poor prostitute, or a traumatized slave, or anything more jusfiable than a frikin "curse to have orgy"

Because the author don't fundamentally want to depict sex as a sin ? Why is forced sex trough prostitution or slavery more justifiable ? because sex is bad and should be depicted negatively ?

You know what, you are right, that frikin plot point shouldn't be there in the first place, nothing is more justifiable, the dude just want to put his "beautiful elf girl like to get ravaged by men because she need to survive" fetish in his work by coming up with excuses like "curse"
i don't hate sex, just don't put it in a show that is surposedly serious especially if the reason is this shallow.
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Because the author don't fundamentally want to depict sex as a sin ? Why is forced sex trough prostitution or slavery more justifiable ? because sex is bad and should be depicted negatively ?

You know what, you are right, that frikin plot point shouldn't be there in the first place, nothing is more justifiable, the dude just want to put his "beautiful elf girl like to get ravaged by men because she need to survive" fetish in his work by coming up with excuses like "curse"
i don't hate sex, just don't put it in a show that is surposedly serious especially if the reason is this shallow.


Wait, what do you think the reason was?
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You know what, you are right, that frikin plot point shouldn't be there in the first place, nothing is more justifiable, the dude just want to put his "beautiful elf girl like to get ravaged by men because she need to survive" fetish in his work by coming up with excuses like "curse"
i don't hate sex, just don't put it in a show that is surposedly serious especially if the reason is this shallow.


Wait, what do you think the reason was?

uh i have already stated the reason was fetish?
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