Attack on Titan
Okeanix said: SHUBHAM019 said: Finally someone nice showed up . This guy is being ignorant and does not wants to accept that Aot is a masterpiece and it is not having plot holes . AoT is definetely not a masterpiece, go read manga until last chapter and you will see yourself. It is mediocre. Eren attacks when bertholt speaks, that means there is not hat much time passed, which is THERE IS NO WAY TO SAVE ARMIN IN THAT SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME I only watch the anime but plan to read the manga once the anime series come to an end. AoT has been a masterpiece so far as the anime goes, and that's 68 great EPs to watch. There aren't all that many animes with such character development, insteresting story and minmal (a healthy amount) of fanservice. To be realistic, AoT doesn't need to be the best anime, it just needs to be AoT. What best is, decide for yourself, if the level of AoT is mediocre for you, then you aren't wrong either. It's just your taste and therefore you don't like it as much. It's the same way with everyone, save for the kids who care more about ratings than enjoying animes. |
| I'll put an end to this fucking theory See how Armin fucking drops on the roof??? So no, Eren didn't save him, and thus he fucking survive the fall, making it PLOT ARMOR |
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| So stop spreading misinformation. For clarity, we already have the manga and the manga had shown what happened. No Eren saving him or some bullshit theory. |
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furrTrickshot said: Taltibalti said: True. Even if Eren somehow managed to catch Armin's body, it's literally burning hot.Let's face it. Armin surviving the fall was plot armor but it doesn't take away the fact that s3p2 was amazing. Look at my message above you Eren didn't catch Armin because Armin himself just fell into the roof. |
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ren0080 said: so,armin body was at the back of colossal titan ...see the last panel of chapter. Also most of houses and roofs have cracks due to shockwave of berthold transformation.I'll put an end to this fucking theory See how Armin fucking drops on the roof??? So no, Eren didn't save him, and thus he fucking survive the fall, making it PLOT ARMOR |
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Kiyotaka696 said: The subject is pretty much concluded at this point though.i am only commenting so this get on top again |
Biruadotx said: ren0080 said: so,armin body was at the back of colossal titan ...see the last panel of chapter. Also most of houses and roofs have cracks due to shockwave of berthold transformation.I'll put an end to this fucking theory See how Armin fucking drops on the roof??? So no, Eren didn't save him, and thus he fucking survive the fall, making it PLOT ARMOR Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. |
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Gofigure said: Kiyotaka696 said: The subject is pretty much concluded at this point though.i am only commenting so this get on top again yup, I concluded it. OP needs to change the title of this discussion to "Armin surviving from Bertholdt was actually plot armor" lmao |
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ren0080 said: Biruadotx said: so,armin body was at the back of colossal titan ...see the last panel of chapter. Also most of houses and roofs have cracks due to shockwave of berthold transformation. Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. Yes, the whole point of their plan was to sacrifice Armin in order to divert Bertholdt's attention from Eren. Eren jumping in to save Armin from falling would've made the point redundant, and also Armin being an overburnt toast was probably pointless to save. |
Gofigure said: ren0080 said: Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. Yes, the whole point of their plan was to sacrifice Armin in order to divert Bertholdt's attention from Eren. Eren jumping in to save Armin from falling would've made the point redundant, and also Armin being an overburnt toast was probably pointless to save. yep, and OP still thinks that Eren saved Armin which is ridiculous for the plot lmao |
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ren0080 said: Gofigure said: Yes, the whole point of their plan was to sacrifice Armin in order to divert Bertholdt's attention from Eren. Eren jumping in to save Armin from falling would've made the point redundant, and also Armin being an overburnt toast was probably pointless to save. yep, and OP still thinks that Eren saved Armin which is ridiculous for the plot lmao I got your point but something is Off here . Could you please tell me it is of which chapter please. |
SHUBHAM019 said: I got your point but something is Off here . Could you please tell me it is of which chapter please. Chapter 82 See for yourself *insert smiley face here* |
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ren0080 said: so my canon explanation is, when armin is blown away by steam just after that, scene is changed to armored titan vs scouts, now some time has passed and smoke is cleared at that span,now berthold see armin body, guess what eren was doing all this time considering he hardened before armin was blown. He catched and placed armin in right side on the roof during smoke was clearing. Now eren reaches back of berthold and berthold see harden attack titan and then eren's attack...simple.Biruadotx said: so,armin body was at the back of colossal titan ...see the last panel of chapter. Also most of houses and roofs have cracks due to shockwave of berthold transformation. Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. Its better than armin bouncing around. |
ren0080 said: SHUBHAM019 said: I got your point but something is Off here . Could you please tell me it is of which chapter please. Chapter 82 See for yourself *insert smiley face here* The first thing is that manga is very dirty . I don't know how some manga readers say the animation of Mappa is dirty, it is thousand times better than manga . But leave it my point is that in manga smoke is not visible at all and body of Eren's titan can be seen clearly still Bertholdt was not able to recognise he had hardened . Also in both manga and anime it is not shown how body of Armin fell . If I had read only manga I would even doubt how Eren could even reach behind Bertholdt . He should have been seen . Now In Manga they did not show Armin's body being blown away whereas in Anime they clearly showed Armin's body being blown away . So if we go according to Manga your point is correct and I am wrong according to it . But nothing in Anime has been shown that counters my point . Also someone was saying Armin's body would have bounced from wall lol how is that possible , he is human not a ping pong ball . I get that according to Manga you are completely correct but nothing shown in anime makes my point wrong either . And the main difference between both Manga and Anime is steam . |
Biruadotx said: yeah I am with you .ren0080 said: so my canon explanation is, when armin is blown away by steam just after that, scene is changed to armored titan vs scouts, now some time has passed and smoke is cleared at that span,now berthold see armin body, guess what eren was doing all this time considering he hardened before armin was blown. He catched and placed armin in right side on the roof during smoke was clearing. Now eren reaches back of berthold and berthold see harden attack titan and then eren's attack...simple.Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. Its better than armin bouncing around. |
Biruadotx said: ren0080 said: so my canon explanation is, when armin is blown away by steam just after that, scene is changed to armored titan vs scouts, now some time has passed and smoke is cleared at that span,now berthold see armin body, guess what eren was doing all this time considering he hardened before armin was blown. He catched and placed armin in right side on the roof during smoke was clearing. Now eren reaches back of berthold and berthold see harden attack titan and then eren's attack...simple.Isayama only did that one panel so it just up to the readers on how they will connect the dots. my own canon explanation is that he could have been bounced off the walls and landed on the rooftop. idk. that sounds more plausible than Eren saving him since Beruto is looking at Armin. No chance of Eren saving him whatsoever. Its better than armin bouncing around. Thing is... Beruto was looking at Armin. See the page again, he was looking at Armin directly. So it's not possible for Eren to get Armin, then place him in the rooftop when Beruto was clearly looking. And if we go with the steam route, even Beruto would have asked "why tf is Armin in the rooftop when I fucking blasted him in the walls?" Because he saw Armin getting blasted to the roof, that's why he didn't question anything wrong. |
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ren0080 said: Sorry but did Bertholdt actually see Armin after blasting him though . ( In Anime ) I know according to Manga you are correct .Biruadotx said: so my canon explanation is, when armin is blown away by steam just after that, scene is changed to armored titan vs scouts, now some time has passed and smoke is cleared at that span,now berthold see armin body, guess what eren was doing all this time considering he hardened before armin was blown. He catched and placed armin in right side on the roof during smoke was clearing. Now eren reaches back of berthold and berthold see harden attack titan and then eren's attack...simple. Its better than armin bouncing around. Thing is... Beruto was looking at Armin. See the page again, he was looking at Armin directly. So it's not possible for Eren to get Armin, then place him in the rooftop when Beruto was clearly looking. And if we go with the steam route, even Beruto would have asked "why tf is Armin in the rooftop when I fucking blasted him in the walls?" Because he saw Armin getting blasted to the roof, that's why he didn't question anything wrong. |
SHUBHAM019 said: It seems like now I am acting ignorant here and not accepting my mistake . Well I cannot say I am not being ignorant but maybe I don't want to accept it but I will definitely accept your point @ren0080 if you would show something from anime that contradicts my point . I know I am being ignorant but what can I do . Also, was rewatching the episode now, and when Armin is getting blasted by Beruto, the background is the rooftop, it isn't as clear but after searching what AoT houses looks like, it looks similar.  Then the rest is history, Armin getting blasted then fell in the rooftop. |
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ren0080 said: SHUBHAM019 said: It seems like now I am acting ignorant here and not accepting my mistake . Well I cannot say I am not being ignorant but maybe I don't want to accept it but I will definitely accept your point @ren0080 if you would show something from anime that contradicts my point . I know I am being ignorant but what can I do . Also, was rewatching the episode now, and when Armin is getting blasted by Beruto, the background is the rooftop, it isn't as clear but after searching what AoT houses looks like, it looks similar. Then the rest is history, Armin getting blasted then fell in the rooftop. The house that Armins body was on was behind the Colossial titan. Remember Armin got blown off in front of the collosial Titan. Go and check again. |
lelouch4britanni said: ren0080 said: Also, was rewatching the episode now, and when Armin is getting blasted by Beruto, the background is the rooftop, it isn't as clear but after searching what AoT houses looks like, it looks similar. Then the rest is history, Armin getting blasted then fell in the rooftop. The house that Armins body was on was behind the Colossial titan. Remember Armin got blown off in front of the collosial Titan. Go and check again. look at the post that I made above you, the one with the spoiler tag. Then look at this video [url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1132920132253077515[/url] Here you could see that there are in fact houses in front of Berotu |
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ren0080 said: ofcourse he will look him directly as the camera zoomed at berthold face and it rotates with berthold head/face....just bring back that camera (zoom out)and u will see colossal titan face turned to right side.Biruadotx said: so my canon explanation is, when armin is blown away by steam just after that, scene is changed to armored titan vs scouts, now some time has passed and smoke is cleared at that span,now berthold see armin body, guess what eren was doing all this time considering he hardened before armin was blown. He catched and placed armin in right side on the roof during smoke was clearing. Now eren reaches back of berthold and berthold see harden attack titan and then eren's attack...simple. Its better than armin bouncing around. Thing is... Beruto was looking at Armin. See the page again, he was looking at Armin directly. So it's not possible for Eren to get Armin, then place him in the rooftop when Beruto was clearly looking. And if we go with the steam route, even Beruto would have asked "why tf is Armin in the rooftop when I fucking blasted him in the walls?" Because he saw Armin getting blasted to the roof, that's why he didn't question anything wrong. |
ren0080 said: check the scene at 18:40 it clearly shows armin has been blown away in front of Bertholdt . SHUBHAM019 said: It seems like now I am acting ignorant here and not accepting my mistake . Well I cannot say I am not being ignorant but maybe I don't want to accept it but I will definitely accept your point @ren0080 if you would show something from anime that contradicts my point . I know I am being ignorant but what can I do . Also, was rewatching the episode now, and when Armin is getting blasted by Beruto, the background is the rooftop, it isn't as clear but after searching what AoT houses looks like, it looks similar. Then the rest is history, Armin getting blasted then fell in the rooftop.   Now, look at this image Eren and Armin is present just at the right of colassal .  |
Biruadotx said: ren0080 said: ofcourse he will look him directly as the camera zoomed at berthold face and it rotates with berthold head/face....just bring back that camera (zoom out)and u will see colossal titan face turned to right side.Thing is... Beruto was looking at Armin. See the page again, he was looking at Armin directly. So it's not possible for Eren to get Armin, then place him in the rooftop when Beruto was clearly looking. And if we go with the steam route, even Beruto would have asked "why tf is Armin in the rooftop when I fucking blasted him in the walls?" Because he saw Armin getting blasted to the roof, that's why he didn't question anything wrong. The anime had clearly shown what exactly happened. Here, we have Armin getting blasted off in a rooftop house background is clearly indicating that Armin blasted on the rooftop. then another evidence that I shown is the video https://twitter.com/i/status/1132920132253077515 Here, we see that there are clearly houses in front of Beruto. So it's useless for Eren to risk everything and get noticed just to save Armin when there's houses there to soften Armin's landing. |
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ren0080 said: bruhh one more fact (from the same link u provided) when berthold says "its over, now only eren and horse" see he was turning to right direction, the same direction where armin was present and if we merge both anime and manga im correct in above quote about camera angle zoom out zoom in...lelouch4britanni said: The house that Armins body was on was behind the Colossial titan. Remember Armin got blown off in front of the collosial Titan. Go and check again. look at the post that I made above you, the one with the spoiler tag. Then look at this video [url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1132920132253077515[/url] Here you could see that there are in fact houses in front of Berotu |
SHUBHAM019 said: ren0080 said: check the scene at 18:40 it clearly shows armin has been blown away in front of Bertholdt . Also, was rewatching the episode now, and when Armin is getting blasted by Beruto, the background is the rooftop, it isn't as clear but after searching what AoT houses looks like, it looks similar. Then the rest is history, Armin getting blasted then fell in the rooftop. Now, look at this image Eren and Armin is present just at the right of colassal . It's access denied though and see the video that I sent. There's clearly houses there so it's useless for Eren to risk everything and get noticed just to save Armin when there's houses there to soften Armin's landing. AND see that when Eren was dragging Berotu to Armin, Armin was facing to Eren's direction, at the edge of the rooftop. And also see the last frame of the episode before ED. The positioning there makes sense since the rooftop that Armin dropped was a few meters away from Colossal titan and is near on the wall. |
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ren0080 said: bro he was not blown away to roof . My image is not showing else I would show you exactly what I am saying . But check 18:41-18:42 it is showing exactly Armin being blown away . He could be seen but it's very smallBiruadotx said: ofcourse he will look him directly as the camera zoomed at berthold face and it rotates with berthold head/face....just bring back that camera (zoom out)and u will see colossal titan face turned to right side. The anime had clearly shown what exactly happened. Here, we have Armin getting blasted off in a rooftop house background is clearly indicating that Armin blasted on the rooftop. then another evidence that I shown is the video https://twitter.com/i/status/1132920132253077515 Here, we see that there are clearly houses in front of Beruto. So it's useless for Eren to risk everything and get noticed just to save Armin when there's houses there to soften Armin's landing. |
Biruadotx said: ren0080 said: bruhh one more fact (from the same link u provided) when berthold says "its over, now only eren and horse" see he was turning to right direction, the same direction where armin was present and if we merge both anime and manga im correct in above quote about camera angle zoom out zoom in...look at the post that I made above you, the one with the spoiler tag. Then look at this video [url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1132920132253077515[/url] Here you could see that there are in fact houses in front of Berotu Now see the last frame in the episode. Armin is positioned on the RIGHT side of Berotu. So Berotu looking at his right side THEN on the middle to look at Eren, then it matches up. Armin fell on the rooftop on the right, then look at the middle to find out the crystalized titan. |
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Maybe this time it will be uploaded let me try |
| Yes, plot armor for plot convenience. He fell on he rooftop and survived. Hard to say if he "should have died". Works for the dramatic scene with Erwin though. I didn't know some people were delusional enough to claim Eren saved him inbetween getting away from the Crystalized Titan and taking Bertholdt. There was no implication of that anywhere and would've made Armin's sacrifice way less heroic, making the story worse actually lol. |
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| Yes now I can upload see the difference in this And this  @ren0080 bro check now . See the difference |
Look at this image. Berotu knows that Armin fell into the roof. That's why he looked at the right side. And judging by the distance between the Colossal Titan and the roof that Armin fell into, it's the right direction.  |
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ren0080 said: ok let's not even consider direction because it is making things complicated. Just see the distance .Look at this image. Berotu knows that Armin fell into the roof. That's why he looked at the right side. And judging by the distance between the Colossal Titan and the roof that Armin fell into, it's the right direction. |
SHUBHAM019 said: Yes now I can upload see the difference in this And this @ren0080 bro check now . See the difference You're just trying to prove my point that Eren didn't save Armin. Armin at the last second dropped very slowly while the heat is still going, and at the direction of the rooftop. So you just prove my point. |
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SHUBHAM019 said: ren0080 said: ok let's not even consider direction because it is making things complicated. Just see the distance .Look at this image. Berotu knows that Armin fell into the roof. That's why he looked at the right side. And judging by the distance between the Colossal Titan and the roof that Armin fell into, it's the right direction. bruh wtf the direction is important because it's a factor on this topic. And I already said above that Armin dropped slowly, it might be very suttle for untrained eyes, but look closer, Armin dropped very straightly. Straight to the rooftop. So once again, Eren didn't catch nor save Armin during that time. |
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| bro check this image properly the small black thing blowing away is Armin and considering the direction there is no way Armin is going to stop before reaching wall so there is no way he could reach rooftop |
Kaasfondue said: eren saving armin was in background to emphasize more on armin's heroic work ...btw it doesn't reduces armin heroic work in any way he still sacrificed himself and eren catching him would not saved armin,his death was inevitable (badly burnt) but was saved only bcuz of syringe.Yes, plot armor for plot convenience. He fell on he rooftop and survived. Hard to say if he "should have died". Works for the dramatic scene with Erwin though. I didn't know some people were delusional enough to claim Eren saved him inbetween getting away from the Crystalized Titan and taking Bertholdt. There was no implication of that anywhere and would've made Armin's sacrifice way less heroic, making the story worse actually lol. |
SHUBHAM019 said: bro check this image properly the small black thing blowing away is Armin and considering the direction there is no way Armin is going to stop before reaching wall so there is no way he could reach rooftop Thing is, it's possible. Look at this image here.  We can clearly see his feet, so the Collosal Titan is kneeling right now. And, if we deduct that with the distance that Armin was blasted, then Armin would end up in the rooftop. |
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SHUBHAM019 said: bro check this image properly the small black thing blowing away is Armin and considering the direction there is no way Armin is going to stop before reaching wall so there is no way he could reach rooftop Holy shit this is still going on. OK even if everything you're saying wasn't conjecture, and everything plays out like you said it did up to that point, Armin is falling while the steam is going strong. How would Eren catch him with ODM gear? |
SHUBHAM019 said: But there isn't single bit in the manga nor anime that tries to convey Eren catched him out of the sky. How would he even be able to do that? Doesn't make sense. Your only point is that there was "time" for him to do it. Your other points... Eren wasn't surprised at Armin sacrificing himself was the implication, and just because we didn't see him search for the body doesn't mean we're supposed to think he already knew "because he actually saved him".Kaasfondue said: bro I have provided all all the necessary information how Eren could do both and this does not in any sense reduce the heroic work done by Armin because his heroic act was stalling for time not falling on rooftop .Yes, plot armor for plot convenience. He fell on he rooftop and survived. Hard to say if he "should have died". Works for the dramatic scene with Erwin though. I didn't know some people were delusional enough to claim Eren saved him inbetween getting away from the Crystalized Titan and taking Bertholdt. There was no implication of that anywhere and would've made Armin's sacrifice way less heroic, making the story worse actually lol. Biruadotx said: Kaasfondue said: eren saving armin was in background to emphasize more on armin's heroic work ...btw it doesn't reduces armin heroic work in any way he still sacrificed himself and eren catching him would not saved armin,his death was inevitable (badly burnt) but was saved only bcuz of syringe.Yes, plot armor for plot convenience. He fell on he rooftop and survived. Hard to say if he "should have died". Works for the dramatic scene with Erwin though. I didn't know some people were delusional enough to claim Eren saved him inbetween getting away from the Crystalized Titan and taking Bertholdt. There was no implication of that anywhere and would've made Armin's sacrifice way less heroic, making the story worse actually lol. Where in the background? Don't see it anywhere. What you guys are saying is that if Eren didn't catch him he would've died immediately and not be able to be revived. Instead of just Armin doing his part of the plan and Eren doing his, and then Eren finding out Armin gave his life (he didn't known he was still alive at first). |
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