Redo of Healer was inevitable but at least it's out of the way

Jan 24, 2021 3:33 PM

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While everyone got triggered by the morality of the show, I personally just rolled my eyes over how desperately hard more of these isekai are trying to stand out. Anime these days, especially Isekai, rightfully get criticisms for being generic with identical worlds and plot points as though copied and pasted from each other.

But the biggest problem is that isekai authors are somehow too stupid to understand how to have various ideas for different plot points and characters throughout the story to make it a unique experience. Thus, these dumb authors think the only way to make a story unique is to make a really outrageous premise and call it a day.

"It's another isekai but NONONO! THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A SKELETON!"
"It's another isekai but NONONO! THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A SLIME!"
"It's another isekai but NONONO! THE MAIN CHARACTER IS OVERLY CAUTIOUS!"
"It's another isekai but NONONO! IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY EDGY!"
See? There is ONE difference! It's not unoriginal!

That last edgy one is actually done by a few shows like Arifureta and Shield Hero and in a way, Redo of Healer is just an extreme version of it. But I'll get to that later, the tactic these shows use is just make one thing that sounds really outrageous for people to talk about and now, look at society at large. What is the one topic that's sure to get a reaction from people? Rape very easily does.

This is far from the first time rape in a show sparked reaction in the anime community to make a show bigger than it should be as you can see with Goblin Slayer. Because of this, when I heard that Redo of Healer was controversial, I was already thinking before starting show, "Let me guess, it's going to have something to do with rape". Of course, having antagonists be the ones to rape is too obvious at this point so I guessed the next step to twist this would be to have the main character rape(also because the MC's face in the promotional material were a dead giveaway lol).

Redo of Healer was inevitable by the state of how the anime industry is right now. It's basically the result of edge appeal, human society's twisted view of sex and isekai writers trying hard to stand out. As dumb as it was though, it actually worked, this is one of the most talked about new shows and according to members on MAL, is the third most popular non-sequel of the season.

But yeah, this is like when puke builds up and ruptures up your esophagus and eventually out of your throat, it's best just to let it out. At least now, any other isekai in the future that tries to have this same plot would obviously be cashing in on Redo of Healer's success and won't be as big. As for Redo of Healer, hopefully a few months from now, won't be remember as anything more than that one dumb show that sparked controversy that one time. But that's all there is, controversy, it's not a good story.

I'd say from this point, the best it can do is just take everything from the typical edge book. Since the next episode involves slaves, that may very well be where it's headed straight from Shield Hero, making the MC partake in slavery to make him more twisted. Going this route probably means the MC will treat women like trash with some lame justification of how bad the female lead treated him. Want to make any bets how much rape will be in this? But on the flip side, the worst it can do is just have it be generic from here on out, gathering a generic harem, fight generic monsters like goblins or kobolds and attack til it dies bosses.

Jan 24, 2021 3:50 PM

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Kaifuku is not even a Isekai

Jan 24, 2021 3:55 PM

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LightVelox said:
Kaifuku is not even a Isekai

Native isekai, it feels just like an isekai and technically, it's another world anyway. Isekai is more about the cliches surrounding them.

Jan 24, 2021 4:06 PM

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psyko-freac said:

LightVelox said:
Kaifuku is not even a Isekai

Native isekai, it feels just like an isekai and technically, it's another world anyway. Isekai is more about the cliches surrounding them.

Hence it's fantasy. Being transported in some way to another world is important for the isekai label.

Jan 24, 2021 4:15 PM

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psyko-freac said:

this is one of the most talked about new shows and according to members on MAL, is the third most popular non-sequel of the season.

Apparently it has also been the most viewed Anime on AT-X this week :>

https://twitter.com/snkynews/status/1352438428630179842?s=20

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Jan 24, 2021 4:15 PM

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GreenPlatinum said:

psyko-freac said:

Native isekai, it feels just like an isekai and technically, it's another world anyway. Isekai is more about the cliches surrounding them.

Hence it's fantasy. Being transported in some way to another world is important for the isekai label.

There's a reason we didn't call Inuyasha, Fushigi Yugi or Harry Potter isekai. It's about a recent trend started by SAO stuck in all these cliches, making them identical to one another that people had to come up with the term for these kinds of stories as isekai. Yes, the trend involves many MCs being transported to another world but it's more about the audience escapism to another world.

Jan 24, 2021 4:20 PM

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psyko-freac said:

GreenPlatinum said:

Hence it's fantasy. Being transported in some way to another world is important for the isekai label.

I'm pretty sure the term was coined for Yoshiyuki Tomino's Byston Well Saga. SAO (Despite not actually being an isekai) brought is mainstream appeal and the term to western audiences.

Jan 24, 2021 4:22 PM

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first of all, NOT an Isekai.

Jan 24, 2021 4:41 PM

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psyko-freac said:

GreenPlatinum said:

Hence it's fantasy. Being transported in some way to another world is important for the isekai label.

I agree, Digimon, Aura Warrior Dunbine (the actual first isekai, back in the 1980's), Escaflowne, Rayearth, and those you mentioned (sans HP, who is just urban fantasy-esque) all had kids/teens transported to another, magical world (lolNarnia and Alice in Wonderland can kind of be considered the OG isekais) and nowadays people don't even think of them as isekai.

Still, "Native Isekai" is such a bad term. Lodoss War and Shingeki no Bahamut would end entering there, just for being High Fantasy animes.

Just say "japanese high fantasy with a harem, a (usually) OP male protag and a fuckton of shitty JRPG terminology, like leveling up, classes, demon lord whatevers". Or: bastard childs of SAO with Dragon Quest flavor.

ps: Oh and I predict Kaifuku wont be the last of it's kind. Fukushuu o Koinegau and Nidome no Yuusha exist.

ps2: The more I notice how SAO shaped the anime community for the last decade, the more I have grown to hate it. The show itself was just a big waste of potential with a dry main couple. It's legacy might have ruined japanese high fantasy forever, with gamer pandering, and fusion of it with harem.

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Jan 24, 2021 4:55 PM

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LightVelox said:
Just say "japanese high fantasy with a harem, a (usually) OP male protag and a fuckton of shitty JRPG terminology, like leveling up, classes, demon lord whatevers". Or: bastard childs of SAO with Dragon Quest flavor.

Yes, we can call it that but it's too long, which is why we have the term isekai, which is referring to just that but easy to say.

LightVelox said:
ps: Oh and I predict Kaifuku wont be the last of it's kind. Fukushuu o Koinegau and Nidome no Yuusha exist.

Does it actually top Kaifuku in terms of edginess though? If it just does the same, it won't be as big.

LightVelox said:
ps2: The more I notice how SAO shaped the anime community for the last decade, the more I have grown to hate it. The show itself was just a big waste of potential with a dry main couple. It's legacy might have ruined japanese high fantasy forever, with gamer pandering, and fusion of it with harem.

Totes agree here.

Jan 24, 2021 4:59 PM

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psyko-freac said:

Yes, we can call it that but it's too long, which is why we have the term isekai, which is referring to just that but easy to say.

LightVelox said:
ps: Oh and I predict Kaifuku wont be the last of it's kind. Fukushuu o Koinegau and Nidome no Yuusha exist.

Does it actually top Kaifuku in terms of edginess though? If it just does the same, it won't be as big.

Totes agree here.

Their edginess are a little different, each focus on one thing for their revenges:

Kaifuku: Rape and Violence in general

Nidome no Yuusha: Most violent possible torture, things like throwing acid inside someones skull or some fucked up shit, it's the most graphic by far when it comes to violence

Fukushuu: Focuses more on the psychological side, the MC is god-like overpowered so there is not really battles or anything, he kinda does "puzzles" and games to the villains, it's like SAW, he first fucks them up in the head before they finally die

Jan 24, 2021 5:04 PM

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psyko-freac said:

Yes, we can call it that but it's too long, which is why we have the term isekai, which is referring to just that but easy to say.

I'd use Narou-Fantasy

Jan 24, 2021 5:05 PM

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I disagree with your assessment.

Firstly, you're attacking the story based on a broad aspect rather than precisely what the plot details are and how it depicts its themes. Any fantasy/isekai can be claimed tobe generic this way, e.g. "it's an isekai but the MC is a child!" or "it's an isekai but it has magic" - you might as well just claim it's an isekai and therefore it's bad as you didn't elaborate on what its plot points are and how much of a derivative it is compared to other isekai/fantasy.

Secondly, a generic isekai/fantasy isn't bad in itself. I denote "bad" in this context as a judgement of a qualitative aspect inherent in the show; you are free to contest this and my argument. The other problem with your criticism is it runs foul to the time ordering issue, which goes like this:
Suppose A and B are two isekai and one of them is original and the other is a derivative of the original, i.e. "generic".
1. If A precedes B, B is bad
2. If B precedes A, A is bad
3. What is "bad" depends on the ordering of A and B
4. The ordering of A and B lies outside the scope of the qualitative aspects of both anime, therefore statements 1 and 2 are nonsensical

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