Attack on Titan
keragamming said: maybe they might pause the show instead of a split deg said: dude a split cour means the production schedule is bad though they will not do a split cour if they have a good production schedule part 1 is safe does not mean part 2 is safe too but anyway if its split cour then im happy since thats what i expected given how bad the production time of Attack on Titan historically is Not always did you forget about Kingdom being delayed by covid? It still has to air in spring, in the end. NHK decide when a series will air and end. So it could be it was split into parts because of Kingdom, that's if its split cour. You see there is arguments on both side and plenty of people speculated that it has to be split because Kingdom airs in spring. When I heard that it wont be split, I thought maybe they can push Kingdom until June since its still technically spring to finish up the final before Kingdom airs. But if its split we know the reason. Kingdom. |
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contalixo said: hasnt aot always been that wayReiner_undieable said: lmao i know, i'm saying overall the design is more complex with the armour, guns etc, lol no don't take that key visual seriously the kv always more momplicated than the real eps there is no way the art would be like the kv same thing with the first 3 seasons kv they are more complicated than the eps |
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Zprotu said: since we're in the mood to discover kanjis what are the three kanjis at the bottom left of the image? are they readable at all being covered this much?contalixo said: well damn, what is going on with This production XD, things Just keep getting weirder and of course it came from youtuber de anime lmao, his channel is pretty good. Something is coming in 10-11 days, please be a trailer I would just like to say that there are actually 2 papers and not 1 regarding the number of episodes, implying even further that split cour is what will happen. (Credits to CzarYe for noticing such a thing)  |
keragamming said: candylolz said: Here's a funny story about that leaker. On October 8th he posted this tweet saying part 1 is listed with 10 episodes: https://twitter.com/eslam_bouz/status/1314239561464152065?s=20 A couple of hours later both Checker and SPY tweeted that the series would NOT be split, thus contradicting what Eslam had said. People started attacking him and calling him a liar, so he tweeted that he will not "forgive and forget" when time proves him right (lol). A couple of days later both Checker and SPY deleted the tweets where they said the series would not be split, and they've never explained why. I don't know whether Eslam is right or not, but he's at least remain consistent with what he's saying about this. He's been right about leaks from other series so I have some faith in him. It's a matter of waiting now. We're supposed to get official news in 11 days or so. How does that contradicts what Checker and spy said? When I heard of it I assume he meant the first arc will be 10 episodes, just like the first arc for season 1 was 13 episodes and then the female titan arc was from episode 14-25. That is how I interpreted it, so both could be right. Also even after checker deleted his tweet he still said that it will not be split, when he replied to a comment. Not sure why he deleted it, but he still said it will not be split. SirTristram said: It seems like there won't be any point. The reality of this whole situation is that it is a complete mess. Basically, they either had to significantly increase the ep count so they can finish the manga and the anime at the same time, or improve the animation quality for the studio change to make sense. I don't know if these are still achievable goals considering the hectic and enigmatic production they seem to go through and the rumors we are getting, but if neither of those things happen, there won't be any sensible point to all of this. All the production committee had to do was not to rush the production, but it is already a little too late at this point. Lets see if the animation quality is at least on par with Jujutsu Kaisen to make all of this a justifiable endeavour after all. Not impress with the animation for JJK so far, its average at best. I'm only at episode 2 though. Thankfully its a different team working on snk and hopefully they can get a whole of Imai to work on the sakuga scenes. Nah, JJK's animation is objectively better than average. |
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| Maybe they'll split both AoT and Kingdom so it'll be AoT 1 -> Kingdom 1 -> AoT 2 -> Kingdom 2. But since Kingdom airs in Spring, the earliest it could air is April 4th, and if AoT is split with Part I being 10 episodes it would finish airing February 7th, which gives us 7 weeks in between. What will NHK put in that timeslot? This is why I believe AoT won't be split and if is, it won't be after 10 episodes. The only other option is Kingdom airing early on February 14th, in which case AoT can split after episode 10. That is, unless NHK can actually have nothing airing at that time. If they can do that, then it's anyone's guess. |
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deg said: Reiner_undieable said: no it is just 24 eps so at least 5-6 months break of the next half/cour of Attack on Titan then 26 episodes actually https://twitter.com/KingdomIntel/status/1245302502012092416 thats still a one long ass break It is a long break, that's why I am still hopeful even though its unlikely that it would not be split cour. But that's the same amount of break we got between season 3 part 1 and part 2. |
I_Am_Freeballing said: Maybe they'll split both AoT and Kingdom so it'll be AoT 1 -> Kingdom 1 -> AoT 2 -> Kingdom 2. But since Kingdom airs in Spring, the earliest it could air is April 4th, and if AoT is split with Part I being 10 episodes it would finish airing February 7th, which gives us 7 weeks in between. What will NHK put in that timeslot? This is why I believe AoT won't be split and if is, it won't be after 10 episodes. The only other option is Kingdom airing early on February 14th, in which case AoT can split after episode 10. That is, unless NHK can actually have nothing airing at that time. If they can do that, then it's anyone's guess. I looked at that possibility as well, and I do believe their is a chance leakers could misunderstand things, maybe they finish the first part of the arc does not mean it will be split cour. Also Kingdom is already announce for Spring, so it can't air in February as that is still considered winter season. Here are the possibilities: 1. Snk final season is not split, they will air Kingdom in June as that is still considered as spring season, just like how snk is airing in December, that is still fall season and the final season will be finish by then, probably with 27,28 episodes in total which I believe is enough. 2. Snk is split with only 10 episodes and NHK will just put another program until Kingdom airs in April. 3. Snk first part is 16 episodes and Kingdom will still air in April. 4. Very unlikely but maybe they just change Kingdom time slot and Kingdom will be able to air in April while snk continue to June. deg said: keragamming said: It is a long break, that's why I am still hopeful even though its unlikely that it would not be split cour. But that's the same amount of break we got between season 3 part 1 and part 2. ye that bold part is true i checked that info here on MAL earlier guess in the end im fine with this if it means the second half will be solid production too still im not gonna hold my hopes up for the visuals/animation to be better than the pre-animated PV though or you still hoping for that? There is plenty of reason to expect better visuals in the final product, I see the trailer as a alpha version. Even the source claim at the time the episodes were not completed and still being worked on so the trailer we saw was just a test run and we have to keep in mind it was not done by the director but instead Yabuta so plenty of things will change. Now do I think the trailer will look similar to the final product? Yes, I think this give us an idea and how it will look visually, but the quality overall will look better in the tv version. |
keragammingOct 27, 2020 3:19 PM
keragamming said: I_Am_Freeballing said: Maybe they'll split both AoT and Kingdom so it'll be AoT 1 -> Kingdom 1 -> AoT 2 -> Kingdom 2. But since Kingdom airs in Spring, the earliest it could air is April 4th, and if AoT is split with Part I being 10 episodes it would finish airing February 7th, which gives us 7 weeks in between. What will NHK put in that timeslot? This is why I believe AoT won't be split and if is, it won't be after 10 episodes. The only other option is Kingdom airing early on February 14th, in which case AoT can split after episode 10. That is, unless NHK can actually have nothing airing at that time. If they can do that, then it's anyone's guess. I looked at that possibility as well, and I do believe their is a chance leakers could misunderstand things, maybe they finish the first part of the arc does not mean it will be split cour. Also Kingdom is already announce for Spring, so it can't air in February as that is still considered winter season. Here are the possibilities: 1. Snk final season is not split, they will air Kingdom in June as that is still considered as spring season, just like how snk is airing in December, that is still fall season and the final season will be finish by then, probably with 27,28 episodes in total which I believe is enough. 2. Snk is split with only 10 episodes and NHK will just put another program until Kingdom airs in April. 3. Snk first part is 16 episodes and Kingdom will still air in April. 4. Very unlikely but maybe they just change Kingdom time slot and Kingdom will be able to air in April while snk continue to June. deg said: ye that bold part is true i checked that info here on MAL earlier guess in the end im fine with this if it means the second half will be solid production too still im not gonna hold my hopes up for the visuals/animation to be better than the pre-animated PV though or you still hoping for that? There is plenty of reason to expect better visuals in the final product, I see the trailer as a alpha version. Even the source claim at the time the episodes were not completed and still being worked on so the trailer we saw was just a test run and we have to keep in mind it was not done by the director but instead Yabuta so plenty of things will change. Now do I think the trailer will look similar to the final product? Yes, I think this give us an idea and how it will look visually, but the quality overall will look better in the tv version. I honestly want either option 1 or 3, leaning towards 1. And yes I do believe TV version will look better as in more polished than the PV. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: keragamming said: I looked at that possibility as well, and I do believe their is a chance leakers could misunderstand things, maybe they finish the first part of the arc does not mean it will be split cour. Also Kingdom is already announce for Spring, so it can't air in February as that is still considered winter season. Here are the possibilities: 1. Snk final season is not split, they will air Kingdom in June as that is still considered as spring season, just like how snk is airing in December, that is still fall season and the final season will be finish by then, probably with 27,28 episodes in total which I believe is enough. 2. Snk is split with only 10 episodes and NHK will just put another program until Kingdom airs in April. 3. Snk first part is 16 episodes and Kingdom will still air in April. 4. Very unlikely but maybe they just change Kingdom time slot and Kingdom will be able to air in April while snk continue to June. There is plenty of reason to expect better visuals in the final product, I see the trailer as a alpha version. Even the source claim at the time the episodes were not completed and still being worked on so the trailer we saw was just a test run and we have to keep in mind it was not done by the director but instead Yabuta so plenty of things will change. Now do I think the trailer will look similar to the final product? Yes, I think this give us an idea and how it will look visually, but the quality overall will look better in the tv version. I honestly want either option 1 or 3, leaning towards 1. And yes I do believe TV version will look better as in more polished than the PV. I share the same opinion. |
Jacob_Mango said: Couldn't they do 3 parts? 10 episodes, then 10 episodes, and then another 10 episodes? We were told a while back that something would be unusual with SNK compared to other animes by Checker, maybe that could be it? Yeah but at that time Checker also said it wouldn't be split, and deleted the tweet soon after, but also said he was confused about the Part 1 shown in the music spreadsheet. Now we are getting info that it'll *probably* be split. Basically I have no idea what to make of the current situation, we can only assume different scenarios. Most probable ones are 1-4 which @keragamming put forward, but I do really hope its 1st option. |
hententhusiast52 said: damn 5 to 6 month pause after just 10 eps if that happens then its gonna be sad ngl is there a probability it might not split? Two reliable leakers say it's not going to be split. So it's 50/50 |
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| If AoT Part II is set for Fall 2021 then that would mean an 8 month break. That would suck so much after only 10 episodes. It's basically false advertising at that point. |
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sammy69 said: https://twitter.com/eslam_bouz/status/1321372681359495168 wat does this mean like google translator is confusing Can you copy and paste his tweet? I can translate if you’d like but his tweets are protected. |
_Spectacled_ said: sammy69 said: https://twitter.com/eslam_bouz/status/1321372681359495168 wat does this mean like google translator is confusing Can you copy and paste his tweet? I can translate if you’d like but his tweets are protected. It's this one: ΨͺΨ±Ψ§ Ψ£ΨΉΨ±Ω Ψ§ΩΩΨ±Ω Ψ¨ΩΩ Part ΩArc ΩΩΨͺΨ¨Ψͺ Ψ¨Ψ§ΩΨΉΨ±Ψ¨Ω (ΩΨ³Ω ) Ω Ψ΄ Ψ’Ψ±Ω |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: It's this one: ΨͺΨ±Ψ§ Ψ£ΨΉΨ±Ω Ψ§ΩΩΨ±Ω Ψ¨ΩΩ Part ΩArc ΩΩΨͺΨ¨Ψͺ Ψ¨Ψ§ΩΨΉΨ±Ψ¨Ω (ΩΨ³Ω ) Ω Ψ΄ Ψ’Ψ±Ω “What I wrote in Arabic was the word (part) not arc, I know the difference between Part and Arc btw” So whatever he tweeted about before was not about individual arcs but parts (cours). I don’t follow the guy so I don’t know what tweet he was referring to. |
_Spectacled_ said: I_Am_Freeballing said: It's this one: ΨͺΨ±Ψ§ Ψ£ΨΉΨ±Ω Ψ§ΩΩΨ±Ω Ψ¨ΩΩ Part ΩArc ΩΩΨͺΨ¨Ψͺ Ψ¨Ψ§ΩΨΉΨ±Ψ¨Ω (ΩΨ³Ω ) Ω Ψ΄ Ψ’Ψ±Ω “What I wrote in Arabic was the word (part) not arc, I know the difference between Part and Arc btw” So whatever he tweeted about before was not about individual arcs but parts (cours). I don’t follow the guy so I don’t know what tweet he was referring to. Everything is posted here, basically he is saying not to confuse Part I with the first arc, which is confusing because if Part I is 10 episodes only that is just enough for the first arc, any more than that would be horrendous pacing. But I do believe he specified (Part) and not (Arc) because it will be split, unlike parts of the 1st season which is 1-13 after which 14-25 aired immediately, but people sometimes refer to them as Part I and II simply because they are different arcs. |
I_Am_FreeballingOct 28, 2020 5:31 AM
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I_Am_Freeballing said: _Spectacled_ said: “What I wrote in Arabic was the word (part) not arc, I know the difference between Part and Arc btw” So whatever he tweeted about before was not about individual arcs but parts (cours). I don’t follow the guy so I don’t know what tweet he was referring to. Everything is posted here, basically he is saying not to confuse Part I with the first arc, which is confusing because if Part I is 10 episodes only that is just enough for the first arc, any more than that would be horrendous pacing. But I do believe he specified (Part) and not (Arc) because it will be split, unlike parts of the 1st season which is 1-13 after which 14-25 aired immediately, but people sometimes refer to them as Part I and II simply because they are different arcs. There were some people claiming that what he said didn't necessarily mean a split because he could be referring to the Marley arc being 10 episodes and that alone. Here he is clarifying that when he said "part" he said PART; he's talking about a division (split) happening at episode 10. But yes, those episodes will cover the Marley arc. We know from another leak that the mirror scene in chapter 106 will (supposedly) happen in episode 9. |
candylolzOct 28, 2020 6:54 AM
Skjilani said: candylolz said: There were some people claiming that what he said didn't necessarily mean a split because he could be referring to the Marley arc being 10 episodes and that alone. Here he is clarifying that when he said "part" he said PART; he's talking about a division (split) happening at episode 10. But yes, those episodes will cover the Marley arc. We know from another leak that the mirror scene in chapter 106 will (supposedly) happen in episode 9. Can I get that link I want to see it Here: https://twitter.com/blastita_/status/1312391959105863682?s=21 He's not a leaker, but he seems to know somebody with info. He hinted about the KV a couple of days before we got it (he thought it'd be a warrior KV tho, so take it with a grain of salt). |
candylolz said: https://twitter.com/Spytrue/status/1321491067330531329 Here: https://twitter.com/blastita_/status/1312391959105863682?s=21 He's not a leaker, but he seems to know somebody with info. He hinted about the KV a couple of days before we got it (he thought it'd be a warrior KV tho, so take it with a grain of salt). wit might be working on it |
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| im a bit confused ngl. so two reliable leakers said its not going to be split and then deleted their tweets, but another has said its split? or perhaps their words are being misinterpreted? TheChecker said they were confused by the part 1 written on the sheet and it probably meant part 1 of OST, and that they already know the episode count they cant tell it yet. so i guess that means no split confirmed? i wonder why they deleted the tweets then i actually dont follow the other leaker and their tweets are protected so its getting hard to follow now |
Reiner_undieable said: Wow this is accually coming together so well I know paolo's source, so first part is 10 eps and it is not only marley arc , marley arc ends with ep 7. Also spy said this snk s4 is just a "prank" I don't know what he means, but from what I think they are just rushing everything and the only porpose of this season is promoting the manga this is also what the producers said in that last interview, seriously I began to lose my hope in this season, but I won't judje until I see the eps LMAO. This comment makes no sense.  This comment makes zero sense. "Promoting the manga" as if anyone in Japan don't know what snk is already. (I don't remember reading that at all) This comment is annoying and laughable at the same time. "Marley Arc ending at episode 7" this is news to me, how about you share us that source? Boy this fanbase really knows how to panic, to the point they make up shit to panic more! Lmao Might as well say that they will adapt the the rest of the manga in 10 episodes while we are it, get the panic up to another level, shall we?  |
keragammingOct 28, 2020 1:52 PM
joroto said: Wow this is accually coming together so well I know paolo's source, so first part is 10 eps and it is not only marley arc , marley arc ends with ep 7. Also spy said this snk s4 is just a "prank" I don't know what he means, but from what I think they are just rushing everything and the only porpose of this season is promoting the manga this is also what the producers said in that last interview, seriously I began to lose my hope in this season, but I won't judje until I see the eps quit the drug, it's breaking your brain I just died laughing xD |
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keragamming said: well I think I shouldn't say the source but I will say it, spy knows someone who is working on ep8 and he told paolo that ch 105 in ep 7,106 and parts of 107 in ep 8 paolo already tweeted about it, also I am not panicking did you read what I wrote????I still have hope that they will do a good job, for the promote thing what spy said about the "prank" made me think about that also reread the interview with producers when they talked about why they changed to mappa I don't remember exactly but they said something about promoting the manga, ofcource it is not just promoting the manga but I think it will be alittle bit rushed, all these are coming from leakers" spy" so take it with a grain of salt, I don't know why you get angry everytime someone says negetive thoughts about this season.Reiner_undieable said: Wow this is accually coming together so well I know paolo's source, so first part is 10 eps and it is not only marley arc , marley arc ends with ep 7. Also spy said this snk s4 is just a "prank" I don't know what he means, but from what I think they are just rushing everything and the only porpose of this season is promoting the manga this is also what the producers said in that last interview, seriously I began to lose my hope in this season, but I won't judje until I see the eps LMAO. This comment makes no sense. This comment makes zero sense. "Promoting the manga" as if anyone in Japan don't know what snk is already. (I don't remember reading that at all) This comment is annoying and laughable at the same time. "Marley Arc ending at episode 7" this is news to me, how about you share us that source? Boy this fanbase really knows how to panic, to the point they make up shit to panic more! Lmao Might as well say that they will adapt the the rest of the manga in 10 episodes while we are it, get the panic up to another level, shall we? |
Reiner_undieable said: keragamming said: well I think I shouldn't say the source but I will say it, spy knows someone who is working on ep8 and he told paolo that ch 105 in ep 7,106 and parts of 107 in ep 8 paolo already tweeted about it, also I am not panicking did you read what I wrote????I still have hope that they will do a good job, for the promote thing what spy said about the "prank" made me think about that also reread the interview with producers when they talked about why they changed to mappa I don't remember exactly but they said something about promoting the manga, ofcource it is not just promoting the manga but I think it will be alittle bit rushed, all these are coming from leakers" spy" so take it with a grain of salt, I don't know why you get angry everytime someone says negetive thoughts about this season.LMAO. This comment makes no sense. This comment makes zero sense. "Promoting the manga" as if anyone in Japan don't know what snk is already. (I don't remember reading that at all) This comment is annoying and laughable at the same time. "Marley Arc ending at episode 7" this is news to me, how about you share us that source? Boy this fanbase really knows how to panic, to the point they make up shit to panic more! Lmao Might as well say that they will adapt the the rest of the manga in 10 episodes while we are it, get the panic up to another level, shall we? I think Eren is behind your thoughts lol. What the producers said has to do with the change of station to NHK and how it could promote both the series and the manga. And no, what you said is kinda lol ... Hajime Isayama said that Attack on Titan will be animated to the end. 3 episodes for the resolution of the manga lol ... πππ ... |
Reiner_undieable said: Wow this is accually coming together so well I know paolo's source, so first part is 10 eps and it is not only marley arc , marley arc ends with ep 7. Also spy said this snk s4 is just a "prank" I don't know what he means, but from what I think they are just rushing everything and the only porpose of this season is promoting the manga this is also what the producers said in that last interview, seriously I began to lose my hope in this season, but I won't judje until I see the eps What kind of drugs led to this? |
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Reiner_undieable said: keragamming said: well I think I shouldn't say the source but I will say it, spy knows someone who is working on ep8 and he told paolo that ch 105 in ep 7,106 and parts of 107 in ep 8 paolo already tweeted about it, also I am not panicking did you read what I wrote????I still have hope that they will do a good job, for the promote thing what spy said about the "prank" made me think about that also reread the interview with producers when they talked about why they changed to mappa I don't remember exactly but they said something about promoting the manga, ofcource it is not just promoting the manga but I think it will be alittle bit rushed, all these are coming from leakers" spy" so take it with a grain of salt, I don't know why you get angry everytime someone says negetive thoughts about this season.LMAO. This comment makes no sense. This comment makes zero sense. "Promoting the manga" as if anyone in Japan don't know what snk is already. (I don't remember reading that at all) This comment is annoying and laughable at the same time. "Marley Arc ending at episode 7" this is news to me, how about you share us that source? Boy this fanbase really knows how to panic, to the point they make up shit to panic more! Lmao Might as well say that they will adapt the the rest of the manga in 10 episodes while we are it, get the panic up to another level, shall we? Its annoying because you all act like wit did no wrong. Wit had both slow pacing and fast pacing in the previous seasons, especially episode 8 of season 3 part 2. And at this point I'm just going to wait for official news. Too many contradiction from these leakers. I don't know who to believe. Also there has been hints and rumours that episode 1 will be longer than usual. But I'm done with all these leakers. I will wait for official confirmation. |
Reiner_undieable said: keragamming said: well I think I shouldn't say the source but I will say it, spy knows someone who is working on ep8 and he told paolo that ch 105 in ep 7,106 and parts of 107 in ep 8 paolo already tweeted about it, also I am not panicking did you read what I wrote????I still have hope that they will do a good job, for the promote thing what spy said about the "prank" made me think about that also reread the interview with producers when they talked about why they changed to mappa I don't remember exactly but they said something about promoting the manga, ofcource it is not just promoting the manga but I think it will be alittle bit rushed, all these are coming from leakers" spy" so take it with a grain of salt, I don't know why you get angry everytime someone says negetive thoughts about this season.LMAO. This comment makes no sense. This comment makes zero sense. "Promoting the manga" as if anyone in Japan don't know what snk is already. (I don't remember reading that at all) This comment is annoying and laughable at the same time. "Marley Arc ending at episode 7" this is news to me, how about you share us that source? Boy this fanbase really knows how to panic, to the point they make up shit to panic more! Lmao Might as well say that they will adapt the the rest of the manga in 10 episodes while we are it, get the panic up to another level, shall we? Until now there is nothing negative. You need to understand that those who needed help were Wit Studio and not MAPPA. Even if the schedule for this season was bad, nothing compares to that of S1 and S3 part 2, that is ... Even if it was bad we would still have something better and more consistent than S1 and S3 part 2. If Wit Studio with the time they had made it work with an incredible Sakuga sometimes ... Then MAPPA is even more capable. keragamming said: Reiner_undieable said: well I think I shouldn't say the source but I will say it, spy knows someone who is working on ep8 and he told paolo that ch 105 in ep 7,106 and parts of 107 in ep 8 paolo already tweeted about it, also I am not panicking did you read what I wrote????I still have hope that they will do a good job, for the promote thing what spy said about the "prank" made me think about that also reread the interview with producers when they talked about why they changed to mappa I don't remember exactly but they said something about promoting the manga, ofcource it is not just promoting the manga but I think it will be alittle bit rushed, all these are coming from leakers" spy" so take it with a grain of salt, I don't know why you get angry everytime someone says negetive thoughts about this season. Its annoying because you all act like wit did no wrong. Wit had both slow pacing and fast pacing in the previous seasons, especially episode 8 of season 3 part 2. And at this point I'm just going to wait for official news. Too many contradiction from these leakers. I don't know who to believe. Also there has been hints and rumours that episode 1 will be longer than usual. But I'm done with all these leakers. I will wait for official confirmation. Yes, it started off wrong from the moment they wanted to take the words of the leakers as an absolute truth. But ... Until we had a good laugh πππ Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
DeadlyRavenNov 20, 2020 10:57 AM
Reiner_undieable said: Wow this is accually coming together so well I know paolo's source, so first part is 10 eps and it is not only marley arc , marley arc ends with ep 7. Also spy said this snk s4 is just a "prank" I don't know what he means, but from what I think they are just rushing everything and the only porpose of this season is promoting the manga this is also what the producers said in that last interview, seriously I began to lose my hope in this season, but I won't judje until I see the eps Show me where Spy said s4 is just a prank. |
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Zilo45 said: that's just bullshit he didn't say that, someone asked him if season 4 is split, and he said "i already answers but i deleted the answer because Kodansha", he deleted a tweet saying season 4 is not split, soooo Give me the link when he said that. |
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