[Non-Type-Moon] All-around Discussions

Mei-o_Scarlett said:
All 4 movies :pepehug:

Mei-o_Scarlett said:
Tldr
Liked the parts in movie 3 and 4 obviously the part in 3 being the Sol stuff

Part 2 stuff with shinji was aight


Dislike mainly are the 2 dude villains
Every action scene post movie 1 cause y'know butchered lol

Honestly the dog felt unneeded as well imo

astroprogs said:
I saw people recommend E2 Vigna and Matoimaru. What do you think about these recommendations?

I also saw people recommend to E2 FEater, on the road to M3 her E2 skill to succesfully push large enemies (and even bosses with Angelina's weight reduction).

Kaiser-chan said:


I have Vigna at E1 level 70. Honestly I don't see the need to E2 her. Vanguard is DP generator, once you have enough DP in the battle you replace them with stronger unit since they aren't gonna kill armored units and boss. So her talent isn't very attractive to me.

Matoimaru isn't very good. Her skill isn't good enough to justify the demerit on it. Only reason to use her is because of her look. Just use Hellagay.

Do you have Angelina tho? E2 M3 FEater is for CC. For other contents, you don't need that strong of a push.

astroprogs said:

If I were to argue for E2 Vigna, I'd say that the jump in stats helps her as a good "doorstop" that costs nothing (since she refunds all of her DP when retreated) and continue to gen DP until a big boy comes, which is when you retreat her and put a defender in.
The jump in her stats help her kill small fries faster (optimally in 2-hits max), so no leaks happen. In a way similar to Hellagur, she lets you ignore a minor source of threat so you can focus on the big ones.

A good application for this general idea is in CE-5 where she can singlehandedly plug the bottom-left port by purely brute forcing it and eases the DP limitation at the start that hinders plugging the rest of the ports in time before a leak. Any normal Vanguard wouldn't be able to do the same even with 2 blocks. Vigna's stats allow her this.

I also used Vigna yesterday when clearing 4-10. I needed to kill Frost Nova in the upper lane before she comes to the middle one and wrecks all of my ranged units. And while Exu and Eyja where the main damage dealers, I couldn't have pinned FN in her place for those crucial 10 seconds before retreating her, putting Melantha in along with a healer and still having DP left to put a defender at the bottom. Vigna's stats allow her survival there as well.

If it wasn't obvious already, I really like Vigna. She's a lifesaver for an F2P like me who can't afford getting potential 6 on the 6*s I have and actually wanna use.

People who recommend E2 Matoimaru say that she's the next best alternative to Skadi.
*impersonates Swag* No, still not gonna use Hellagay.

Yeah, I guess you're right about FEater. Maybe in the future. I can't wait for all the pushing memes.

Genkii said:
Still my most favorite Aigis meme.

Ughhh... why is the Aigis toaster so fucking hot? Man I can't wait for Android Maids. (that probably requires an invasive online account, monthly fees, constantly sending data back to the parent compa-)

astroprogs said:
@Kaiser-chan

>You make it sounds like people need potential 6 to beat anything. I always bring Mostima. DP cost go to hell.

I want to believe, but Skyfire takes 11 years to deploy and I suffer way too much from my Kana Ueda withdrawal.

Mostima is at least better than Skyfire, so I hope your 11 years are worth the wait.

>Guess what? Hellagay is way better than Skadi.

Not possible. Have you seen those thighs?

Kaiser-chan said:


Considering you got Eyja who is cheaper to deploy and deal more damage, it's hard to justify using Skyfire. I don't find it difficult to generate DP. With the right formation, you can prevent leak with only few operators while saving your DP for the big gun.

I mean I am talking strictly about gameplay. Skadi is one of my top waifu. Airhead Orca is adorable but I cannot justify bringing her to battle since any other 6* Guard are just better. People consider her the worst 6* even.

astroprogs said:

There are few good Casters in the game at the moment and Skyfire has bonus crown control. In maps with too many armored units, It's either Kana Ueda or Lava. And lol Gitano.
Grinding to level your units is the way to use fewer Operators and save on DP for the big guns. Underleveled units are gonna get obliterated, so it's either doing tight pain in the ass strategies ore preparing for a lot of replacing. I don't like grinding for EXP and LMD. It's a waste of Stamina you could use to farm mats and other useful stuff like red certs.

In a semi-related situation, yesterday I kept banging my head against 5-3. If I stretch myself thin, I can clear it, but no matter what I do, something leaks. And apparently a good way to cheese it is either a Guard with very high damage and HP and low redeployment time (so around E2 30 Motimaru or Skadi) or a Melantha with a Defender that can heal, both E1 lvl 50 at minimum.
So, to clear this map with 3 stars, let alone challenge mode, and not grinding for a literal month, I have to get a unit I never use (Gummy) to E1 lvl 50. That, or keep deploying Defenders and Medics one after another because no E1 healer can sustain healing for themselves and another unit under the pressure of 3+ Casters and a horde of small units that keep chunking at the Defender. And for that, you need a shit ton of DP.

This was extra painful because I'm trying not to waste resources on units I know I'll replace with way better versions soon. In this case, Saria.

TL;DR You don't need as much DP when you're over-leveled, which is a pain.

I'm sure Skadi can be outperformed by other units. Thing is, I don't really care outside challenge events like CC. And who knows, as time goes on meta changes, so Skadi may get support that makes her outshine other units.

I know units like Shining certainly got that in the future.

Kaiser-chan said:


AoE caster always have high DP cost anyway so you really just have to deal with it.

You are at chapter 5. Your operators need to be at least E1 to be able to survive. You can't expect to complete all stages by raising select few operators only. The game push you to utilize other operators.

The enemy gimmick will keep on evolving. Some units look like trash at first but become important for certain stages.

Like who the hell use Steward right? But here he is in my box at E1 55 because of certain stages. His ability allow him to target the tanky unit ignoring the other and that is lifesaver when the tank is the one you want to take out at all cost first.

Raising operators to E1 will always be worth it. You aren't gonna regret it.

Who knows maybe they will buff Skadi later but right now she's just one trick pony while other Guard offer much more.

astroprogs said:

I refuse to level units i don't like. I'd rather slam my head against hard content with units i like.

>You can't expect to complete all stages by raising select few operators only. The game push you to utilize other operators.

You say that like it's easy to get ~30 units to E1 50. If we're including a single unit from each archetype (normal defender, healing defender, normal guard, ranged guard, etc), this is a ridiculous amount of units that will constantly exhaust your resources for months if you're F2P.

And that's to say nothing of their skill upgrades, or the archetypes you typically need more than one of or units you level before getting the better version a few days later. Looking at you, Courier. Got him to E1 20 skill lvl4 because LS-5 was unclearable without 2 Vanguards on the right only to get Zima literally 3 days later.

>Raising operators to E1 will always be worth it. You aren't gonna regret it.

I literally regret it now.

Kaiser-chan said:



That's completely fine. You are just gonna have to endure lots of headache.

>You say that like it's easy to get ~30 units to E1 50

It actually is easy. The mats aren't that rare and event gave plenty. Once your factory can produce tons of EXP cards (Base skill is important here too), you shouldn't have problem leveling them to that level. It take way much more EXP to level to E2.

>And that's to say nothing of their skill upgrades, or the archetypes you typically need more than one of or units you level before getting the better version a few days later. Looking at you, Courier. Got him to E1 20 skill lvl4 because LS-5 was unclearable without 2 Vanguards on the right only to get Zima literally 3 days later.

I am sorry but I can't help but laugh if you think that's an heavy investment. Those are NOTHING. The Skill Summary drop like candy and available from the daily shop. The mats are all low tiers that you are almost guaranteed to get from few runs. 2 Orirock Cube? Let's see. I have to farm 20 of those to create one Orirock Concentration. I need 9 Orirock Concentration for one of Skadi E2 materials. So you see compared to that, the mats you need to level those skills? Dirt cheap. FYI, I level all of my 6* and 5* operators skills to 7 minimum.

You seems to have problem farming resources. Not enough sanity perhaps? Or are you focused on too many things at once? You are only one step foot in the farming hell. That one thing it share with FGO.

The Monthly Card ain't a bad deal. You get Potion and Orundum daily. It help speed up the farming. You ain't getting potion outside of event. When you do though, double the fun.

astroprogs said:


>It actually is easy. The mats aren't that rare and event gave plenty. Once your factory can produce tons of EXP cards (Base skill is important here too), you shouldn't have problem leveling them to that level.

This is only true after your account has settled in and you start accumulating resources because you've already leveled up who you want to level up.



Even for leveling up to a decent E1 level, do you see how much this game blocks your progress by making LMD both very scarce yet needed in abundance for literally everything you need to have to progress?

The growth cycle in the early game of Arknights is excruciatingly slow and if the gameplay wasn't this enjoyable for me, I'd have stopped playing after a week of this bullshit.

I realize that this becomes much less of a pain when you're leveled enough and have opened all the sources of resources the game can offer. But I'm not there yet, so I have to deal with all of this crap on a daily basis for now.

>You seems to have problem farming resources. Not enough sanity perhaps? Or are you focused on too many things at once?

Both. Farming takes forever when you can run CE-5 about 6 times a day and deplete all of your stamina.

I started using originite prime to try to accelerate my progress, but while thanks to that I was finally able to E2 Eyja and about to do Exu very soon as well, I know that I'm hurting my chances to get units I really want in the future.

I still don't understand why Arknights is so fucking stingy with its stamina system. If I play the way the game forces me to, about 10 minutes every day of auto fights to move a few centimeters in the 50-kilometer marathon, I'd get fed up and stop playing eventually. I can spend this mindshare of investment in games that respect my time more.

>The Monthly Card ain't a bad deal.

It's fine for a month or two to give something to the creators for entertaining me. Anything more and the game is deliberately putting its content behind a daily refreshed paywall. Fuck that.

Regardless, I'm starting to get my foot in the door for E2s and some decently advanced-level play, so that at least feels like good progress.

astroprogs said:
And that's exactly what I'm complaining about. This artificial limitation is not fun.

I have no issue with grinding in this game. My issue is that the game prevents me from even doing that.

Why do I have to plan the days I farm certain mats? Why aren't they open every day?
Why do I need to grind for a week to get a unit to reach a high level? Why isn't it a couple of days?
Why does stamina expire? Why is the game adamant about blocking your farming and progress at every turn?
To make people keep playing? Not when it's this fucking slog every day. Maybe that's why CC is considered the best mode in the game. Because it lets you do whatever you want without stamina limitation. Keep thinking and strategizing until you break a map with no limit and without Arknights treating me like an angry parent about how it's a side-activity.

Say what you will about FGO, but even that game showers you in golden apples, and one lottery event is enough to let you play as much as you want for months non-stop.
This type of games lives and dies by its players' engagement. Hard to be engaged when the devs come and take the game away from my hand after a few minutes of gameplay every day.

There's no reason why this has to be treated like a side game, why they're blocking progress. This makes no monetary sense either.
People who plan to whale will regardless, and people who want to stay F2P will regardless as well. All this does is being a pain in the ass.

> As F2P you need to realize you have to use units you don't like because they are useful. There are many guides on Youtube that utilize low rarity units. There is no reason that you should be struggling with them.

I don't care for guides. I'm playing the game, not KyoStinV. Why am I even playing the game if I'm letting someone do all the fun part for me?
I may look at a guide if there's a stage I don't care for and just want the mats, but that's very little for me in this game. If it wasn't, I would stop playing it.

The more you advance, the more you need new units, level them up, and level up the ones you already have. I shouldn't be asked to clear most levels with difficulty turned up to 11 because the game can't be assed to ket me at least meet the level requirement of the stage itself.

ShinsoPriest said:
Melty Blood HD Remaster with Tsukihime Remake demo included

Kaiser-chan said:


> Why do I have to plan the days I farm certain mats? Why aren't they open every day?
> Why do I need to grind for a week to get a unit to reach a high level? Why isn't it a couple of days?
> Why does stamina expire? Why is the game adamant about blocking your farming and progress at every turn?

Those are actually common complains about this game. I don't have answers for that, I just adapt to it.

>Maybe that's why CC is considered the best mode in the game. Because it lets you do whatever you want without stamina limitation. Keep thinking and strategizing until you break a map with no limit and without Arknights treating me like an angry parent about how it's a side-activity.

CC is the hardest content in this game, it limit the operators you can use and buff the enemies. If you hate having to invest heavily on unit you don't like, you ain't gonna like it. Nice Eyja you have there, it's a shame that you need to ban Caster operators! No Snipers! No Healers!

>There's no reason why this has to be treated like a side game, why they're blocking progress. This makes no monetary sense either.
People who plan to whale will regardless, and people who want to stay F2P will regardless as well. All this does is being a pain in the ass.

They make tons of money from people using OP to refill sanity. Gacha isn't the only way mobage make profit, you know. It's how they balance thing by making operators easier to get.

>I don't care for guides. I'm playing the game, not KyoStinV. Why am I even playing the game if I'm letting someone do all the fun part for me?
I may look at a guide if there's a stage I don't care for and just want the mats, but that's very little for me in this game. If it wasn't, I would stop playing it.

If you want fun, there's the Challenge stages. If you refuse to use guide that's fine but don't complain why you can't raise your operators.

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

join my server for ak talk astro
and fgo

astroprogs said:

Link?

-Sherou- said:
Mahoyo Q when?

MeisterDM said:

https://discord.gg/hTacpp

astroprogs said:


Don't do to this to yourself, man.


>CC is the hardest content in this game, it limit the operators you can use and buff the enemies. If you hate having to invest heavily on unit you don't like, you ain't gonna like it. Nice Eyja you have there, it's a shame that you need to ban Caster operators! No Snipers! No Healers!

CC not letting me use Healers is like when 5-3 did the same with Red Casters so you're unable to deploy Medics either.
The entire game is hard mode if you're constantly not leveled up enough or don't have the resources/time/stamina to level them up in time.
The fact that it's letting me run plenty of Risks while letting me use my stamina on other things is in itself a great thing.

> They make tons of money from people using OP to refill sanity. Gacha isn't the only way mobage make profit, you know. It's how they balance thing by making operators easier to get.

I mean, sure, but whales can and do clear nodes in FGO using quartz as well. It's not like Arknights is the only game with a stamina gauge that can be replenished with the purchasable currency.
Remember a few days ago when people mocked the devs of The Culling for implementing what is basically Arknights' stamina system to a T?
Just replace tokens with originite prime.



What I love about this is that the devs defense was literally: we thought it's a side game that people won't be playing too much, so making them pay for additional playtime is a good decision.

It's every bit as shit as when The Culling did it as Arknights is doing it now. If anything, CN and JP are way too comfortable and used to be scammed by mobile games over the past decade to give this the backlash it needs.

> If you want fun, there's the Challenge stages. If you refuse to use guide that's fine but don't complain why you can't raise your operators.

I shouldn't be looking up guides for stages that are supposed to be scaled and balanced for my current level. This is a questionable design decision that deserves complaining about it.

astroprogs said:
@Kaiser-chan

>FGO lets you win the battle with quartz, there's no Continue for Arknights. Either git gud or get wreck..

Honestly, not really, no. 95% of this game's content, including challenge mode, can be easily brute-forced with high rarity units with high enough level. And if you're willing to spend, you can stack up your stamina to 20k or something and then run an auto-clicker to eliminate the RNG of farming the mats.

This game is only hard if you're an F2P or a lite spender who favors stocking for banners most of the time.

>There's no backlash because it doesn't actually harm the players. It's PvE game. Nobody force you to E2 a unit in one week. If you wanted you can but there's a cost. You complaining that you don't like that is fine but I don't think it's as bad you make it sounds like.

The sentiment is the same. PvP is not the one and only motivation for players to play a video game for more than 10 minutes a day.
It IS as bad. The problem is the monetization scheme, not whether it's a console game or a mobile game.
But as I said, people got way too used to being manipulated that this shit has become normalized for years now.

>This conversation is going nowhere. Let's just agree that is bad system and move on from it. Nothing gonna change about it.

I'm fine with this. All I wanted was to share my thoughts about it, and I did.

> People use guide when they acknowledge they are not all that smart.

I agree with that as well. Although, the normal player shouldn't have to look for guides on normal story-mode content either.