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Feb 2, 2017 12:49 PM
#151
Gotta go to a meeting, it shouldn't take too long, then I'm done for the rest of the day. |
Feb 2, 2017 12:53 PM
#152
Why do I keep giving early reads? When will I learn that people like making a big deal out of them? >.>; The read on Soren is the weakest of townleans. Compare to my townleans on Grave in NnT and Cross in FT. I make them because I need something to go off of early game while everything is still starting up. Yeah, there's a possible pocketing motivation, but I could apply that to literally any town-motivated action and make myself confused. The motivation for town!Soren posting like that were much clearer to me than the motivation for scum!Soren, so of course I'm going to say that the game was most likely town motivated. Time will tell if this early read will hold up when we have more information. --- Jackrito said: Well, yeah. It's a weak read after all. I couldn't say why he chose me specifically, that's something for him to answer.I find the last part really weak tbh, also why would he do it only to you if this was a reaction test, as scum you have good history of been able to fake town intent. This is better used on a new player or someone who he knows may be a scared 1 time scum. Also I doubt most people would lag in a reply to it, the answer is easy. I also don't like how you say use against actual scum it bother me but not sure why. It seems you are trying to play the whole thing off espically with the the thought that counts part. logic340 said: I guess I worded that wrong. I mean that since Rosie is saying that she would be fine with a Gruffin/Soren lynch, I'd like to know if she has any reason to scumread us? Because to me it sounded like she's suggesting a lynch on neutral reads without evidence against either of us and I don't understand that.Gruffin said: Interception.....Yes because roles are handed out via RNG and I haven't seen enough from either of you to give you guys a town read just yet.Oyasumi_Rosie said: I guess we could try to lynch one of the today to find out. Ruu said: I RVS'd my friend to spite her, LOL. There's currently nothing non-RVS vote worthy atm for me to move.Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin @Sollux16 No reaction? ;w; Why are you IGNORING me? Kit said: Well, other than the Soren townlean I don't have much. I've learned to not rely on gut even early-game because it's wrong more often than not. Best to judge everyone based on their words alone if I want accurate reads. You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages in Same question to @Gruffin logic340 said: It shouldn't be any different from normal. :p@Soren and @Gruffin you both put some pressure on yourselves to preform in this game. I guess I wont be needing this Burden of Prophecy then...That being said I hope to see you both scum hunting later on. |
Feb 2, 2017 12:53 PM
#153
Jackrito said: I mean I did mention him, just that I didn't comment on some thing that caught your eye that had missed mine. Help me see what you are seeing with logic. Soren said: Jackrito said: Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:01 PM
#154
Sollux16 said: Ok, not gonna lie, I voted before I completely caught up. XD Now then, I'm finally caught up. (Goes to class and misses just about EVERYTHING! XD) Vote: Soren for being the first to vote me up. I don't really think that scum would reveal themselves this early in the game, but I'm a little suspicious. You really need a better reason then that, especially since you contradict it with the bit after. Since you are caught up you should have a lot more thoughts. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:04 PM
#155
Jackrito said: Does this affect your read on him this game?How would Denja be pocketing someone when he is voting them, also in my exp Denjax tries more and is less troll when scum. @Rinto-kun Is there a reason for the Jack vote? Ruu said: If Denja plays anti-town to you as town, then how will he be able to prove to you that he is town? I don't follow.like I said I gave a possible scenario. "If Denja was scum, he would rvs his buddies", another scenario "if Denja was scum he would try to get Kit to townread him by trolling?". Ofc I can't be sure that Denja is mafia but what is wrong with thinking that way? After Denja can prove me that they are town I'll move on to another player. BunnyEnergizer said: Yes. ^^are you guys happy with your roles?~ How does this question help you in the game? |
Feb 2, 2017 1:04 PM
#156
@logic340 fair point.I guess I was tunneling too much. Soren said: Denja is pressuring kit, albeit weakly, because he has literally no reasons aside from fluff. Not sure what to make of it yet, because denja always does unorthodox things which makes him hard to read. ^This is my problem. Denja is so hard to read that I usually start with the idea that he is scum until I can find some towniness in his posts. I can't see why you changed your vote to Jack and when he told you he doesn't vote early in the game you backoff rather quickly. Why didn't you pressure him any further? Your interaction with Gruffin caught my attention but I can't tell alignments from it yet. I asked other people's opinions on the matter to see if new perspectives could help me with my reads on you two. If you want to know I can see a town motive behind it - since it has cause all this conversation and you even got reads from it. Also I remember reading that your scum game is pretty weak so I don't think you would go into the spotlight if you weren't sure of your innocence. Gruffin is another thing, I can't tell if her motives for following your game are the same but you have been getting most of the heat which is interesting. Why more people suspect you and not Gruffin? another thing is that first townreading she did on you. If there is something I learned during mafia games is never trust the people who immediately townread you. She also backoff after Kit commented on it. EDIT: sorry I made a mistake it was kit and not jack. I want to blame reading on my mobile but well... yeah sorry. |
RuuryMercuryFeb 2, 2017 1:11 PM
Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM
#157
Feb 2, 2017 1:08 PM
#158
Soren said: Jackrito said: I mean I did mention him, just that I didn't comment on some thing that caught your eye that had missed mine. Help me see what you are seeing with logic. Soren said: Jackrito said: That's true, HMMMMMMMM. Thoughts on the comments I made on other people then?Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. On logic I think the way he has been questioning Rosie and commenting on most things especially around you and the mason talk, so I really don't know how you gave so little on him. It was pretty much the same as mine on why Gruffin and how come onnly you two it gave me a mindmeld, so a slight town read. This is togs though I need a lot more then that though. On Ruu is it not possible they just wanted to share their bit. I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out |
Feb 2, 2017 1:10 PM
#159
Jackrito said: I was thinking thisKit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. Grapefruit21 said: I don't think Soren made Rosie sound that scummy, more like he's confused about her alignment.Also from reading Soren's case I'm very surprised his vote isn't on Rosie given she sounds the scummiest coming out of it. If you read his pbp part and not the summary where Jack kind of just jumps ahead because he is actually putting pressure as opposed to slinging out unfounded suspicions. Rosie faces much more grevious accusations like mudslinging and trying to coast and incept ideas. Plus his vote on Jack feels like a vote to pre-emptively make Jack's vote OMGUS. And is basically OMGUS itself. The case boils down to Jack pushed aggressively and must be scum for it. Jack's posts were aggressive but I can easily see aggro town from them. What's even more interesting to me though is I get a very different impression from reading Rosie's posts. Rosie just seems to be pointing out the obvious (people are 1 of 2 possible alignments), I will do a reread but Soren seems to be painting rosie's actions in a darker light than deserved. With all of that Unvote Vote: Soren Edit: BTW the phase changes are at like 4 in the morning my time. Not going to be around for them. Like ever. Edit 2: Labelling the edit as an edit... Sollux16 said: How is voting you in RVS scummy...Ok, not gonna lie, I voted before I completely caught up. XD Now then, I'm finally caught up. (Goes to class and misses just about EVERYTHING! XD) Vote: Soren for being the first to vote me up. I don't really think that scum would reveal themselves this early in the game, but I'm a little suspicious. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:11 PM
#160
Gruffin said: Jackrito said: Does this affect your read on him this game?How would Denja be pocketing someone when he is voting them, also in my exp Denjax tries more and is less troll when scum. @Rinto-kun Is there a reason for the Jack vote? Ruu said: If Denja plays anti-town to you as town, then how will he be able to prove to you that he is town? I don't follow.like I said I gave a possible scenario. "If Denja was scum, he would rvs his buddies", another scenario "if Denja was scum he would try to get Kit to townread him by trolling?". Ofc I can't be sure that Denja is mafia but what is wrong with thinking that way? After Denja can prove me that they are town I'll move on to another player. BunnyEnergizer said: Yes. ^^are you guys happy with your roles?~ How does this question help you in the game? Not sure how that would effect my read on Denjax it is too early to tell until I see him interact with more then Kit. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:13 PM
#161
💀 Vote Count 1.3 💀 💀 Soren 💀(3) // 🐩 Togs, Sollux16, Grapefruit21 🐩 Jackrito (2) // 🐩 Rinto-kun , Soren🐩 Rinto-kun (2) // 🐩 Logic340 🐩 Sollux16 (1) // 🐩 Gruffin 🐩 wen294 (1) // 🐩 Jackrito 🐩 Grapefruit21 (1) // 🐩 Oyasumi_Rosie 🐩 Kit (1) // 🐩 DenjaX 🐩 DenjaX (1) // 🐩 Ruu 🐩 Togs (2) // 🐩 Wen294 🐩 Ruu(1) // 🐩 Kit 🐩 🐩 Not Voting 🐩 Bunny 🐩Mod Notes 🐩 This phase will last 48 hours. A tied vote will end up with no one getting lynched. 🐩 Time until Night 1 🐩 |
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Feb 2, 2017 1:13 PM
#162
Jackrito said: Alright, I was interested to see if the current trolling he has done seemed AI to you after you said that.Not sure how that would effect my read on Denjax it is too early to tell until I see him interact with more then Kit. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:13 PM
#163
Ruu said: 1. What he said was true, I recall him doing that a lot in games, especially on day 1. Which is making me re-evaluate my thoughts. I can't see why you changed your vote to Jack and when he told you he doesn't vote early in the game you backoff rather quickly. Why didn't you pressure him any further? 2. I haven't entirely backed off from him as I still haven't moved my vote. 3. I am still kinda pressuring him, just in a different way. Jack's defense to things will always be that they "don't make sense" or attacks the logic, he does that all the time when pressured. I know how he will respond if I continue pressuring him in the same manner that I am doing, which will mean that it'll end up in circles. Therefore, I wanted to get his thoughts on other things, see if he's thinking about the game in another way that would reveal a townie mindset to me. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:14 PM
#164
Gruffin said: No one's telling you early reads are bad but you should be able to clearly show your thought process you had when making your statements. You don't have to get defensive about it, I didn't accuse you of anything.Why do I keep giving early reads? When will I learn that people like making a big deal out of them? >.>; The read on Soren is the weakest of townleans. Compare to my townleans on Grave in NnT and Cross in FT. I make them because I need something to go off of early game while everything is still starting up. Yeah, there's a possible pocketing motivation, but I could apply that to literally any town-motivated action and make myself confused. The motivation for town!Soren posting like that were much clearer to me than the motivation for scum!Soren, so of course I'm going to say that the game was most likely town motivated. Time will tell if this early read will hold up when we have more information. Well, other than the Soren townlean I don't have much. I've learned to not rely on gut even early-game because it's wrong more often than not. Best to judge everyone based on their words alone if I want accurate reads. The point is not to rely on early reads to be correct but to start discussion and show your own mindset, show me that you're thinking about the game. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:16 PM
#165
Feb 2, 2017 1:19 PM
#166
Gruffin said: Why do I keep giving early reads? When will I learn that people like making a big deal out of them? >.>; The read on Soren is the weakest of townleans. Compare to my townleans on Grave in NnT and Cross in FT. I make them because I need something to go off of early game while everything is still starting up. Yeah, there's a possible pocketing motivation, but I could apply that to literally any town-motivated action and make myself confused. The motivation for town!Soren posting like that were much clearer to me than the motivation for scum!Soren, so of course I'm going to say that the game was most likely town motivated. Time will tell if this early read will hold up when we have more information. --- Jackrito said: Well, yeah. It's a weak read after all. I couldn't say why he chose me specifically, that's something for him to answer.I find the last part really weak tbh, also why would he do it only to you if this was a reaction test, as scum you have good history of been able to fake town intent. This is better used on a new player or someone who he knows may be a scared 1 time scum. Also I doubt most people would lag in a reply to it, the answer is easy. I also don't like how you say use against actual scum it bother me but not sure why. It seems you are trying to play the whole thing off espically with the the thought that counts part. logic340 said: I guess I worded that wrong. I mean that since Rosie is saying that she would be fine with a Gruffin/Soren lynch, I'd like to know if she has any reason to scumread us? Because to me it sounded like she's suggesting a lynch on neutral reads without evidence against either of us and I don't understand that.Gruffin said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Hmm. Do you actually think that one of us could be scum and why?I guess we could try to lynch one of the today to find out. Ruu said: I RVS'd my friend to spite her, LOL. There's currently nothing non-RVS vote worthy atm for me to move.Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin @Sollux16 No reaction? ;w; Why are you IGNORING me? Kit said: Well, other than the Soren townlean I don't have much. I've learned to not rely on gut even early-game because it's wrong more often than not. Best to judge everyone based on their words alone if I want accurate reads. You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages in Same question to @Gruffin logic340 said: It shouldn't be any different from normal. :p@Soren and @Gruffin you both put some pressure on yourselves to preform in this game. I guess I wont be needing this Burden of Prophecy then...That being said I hope to see you both scum hunting later on. Your whole posting style this game is bothering me, I have not played with you a lot and I know you did a play style change but something just seems off here. My issue still here is how you refuse to see any negative intentions in Soren's interactions with you, for the simple reason you need a town read. In your reply to me I don't like how you say on why you I should ask Soren but don't question it more youself, this shows a lack of self awareness. You yet again played off how weak it has a way to get a scum slip. I really don't know how you don't have any reads apart Soren either, I can understand not working off gut but by now you should have some and the one on Soren seems like gut to me which contradicts your point on not wanting to read people easily. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:19 PM
#167
Ruu said: ^ I'd like to pay attention to this as well. I was focusing on just one person cause pressure is weaker if I spread it out thin. Her posts are not reassuring me thoughGruffin is another thing, I can't tell if her motives for following your game are the same but you have been getting most of the heat which is interesting. Why more people suspect you and not Gruffin? another thing is that first townreading she did on you. If there is something I learned during mafia games is never trust the people who immediately townread you. She also backoff after Kit commented on it. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:20 PM
#168
Feb 2, 2017 1:22 PM
#169
Jackrito said: No, like Soren said in his observations I was just trying to figure out his alignmentI'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out |
Feb 2, 2017 1:22 PM
#170
Kit said: Hmm.. unvote Vote: Ruu The feeling I get from her posts is that she's trying to find reasons to make people look scummy, but not exactly trying to figure out who is scum. Can you explain the difference, I think Ruu may be going under the radar a bit for me, since I think I'm getting in a tunnel on Soren and Gruffin, the only bad thing I can remember is the push on Denjax which worries me since it seems off. Is this what you are ref to or is they more. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:23 PM
#171
Jackrito said: He never really stated whether he thought I was town or scum for my proposal, so I didn't have much to say about him.Soren said: Jackrito said: Soren said: Jackrito said: That's true, HMMMMMMMM. Thoughts on the comments I made on other people then?Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. On logic I think the way he has been questioning Rosie and commenting on most things especially around you and the mason talk, so I really don't know how you gave so little on him. It was pretty much the same as mine on why Gruffin and how come onnly you two it gave me a mindmeld, so a slight town read. This is togs though I need a lot more then that though. On Ruu is it not possible they just wanted to share their bit. I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out I answered your question on why I picked gruffin in my #101. Also, togs asked gruffin why she thinks I picked her in his #68 and didn't ask me why I picked her. So be careful to not misrepresent the situation. She changed her vote now. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:25 PM
#172
@Kit I'm bad at scum hunting and my posts always look scummy tbh. Why do you think I'm not trying to figure out who is scum? For me everyone is scum until I can see a townie mindset behind their posts, something that screams towniness (? @Gruffin I've play with him as town and scum so I think I can tell, with time, if behind that anti-town post there is a townie or a scum. Is hard to explain but I think I'll be able to show you when I get enough information from him to make a read. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:25 PM
#173
Okay finished my reread of Rosie and yeah her posts don't look great, definitely a bit of flame fanning going on there. That is NAI on it's own, but in this context I do not like it at all. As Soren points out Rosie keeps making it clear she doesn't want to lynch them but will do it if everyone else wants to. Putting the idea out there and supporting it, but not claiming it as her own and actually making the push. Not a look I like at all. @Kit I'd disagree with you there. There was some definite confusion in his breakdown, but his response to 84 is "if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us". If it's not Soren calling Rosie scum it's not far off. I'd vote someone for flinging accusations and voting someone else for weaker stated reasons at this stage of the game. And actually that's why I'm happy with my vote where it is. Other things I don't like this game: @Sollux16 and their double post before leaving, @Ruu in general and evasiveness specifically, and @Wen294. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:25 PM
#174
Kit said: Ruu said: ^ I'd like to pay attention to this as well. I was focusing on just one person cause pressure is weaker if I spread it out thin. Her posts are not reassuring me thoughGruffin is another thing, I can't tell if her motives for following your game are the same but you have been getting most of the heat which is interesting. Why more people suspect you and not Gruffin? another thing is that first townreading she did on you. If there is something I learned during mafia games is never trust the people who immediately townread you. She also backoff after Kit commented on it. I would agree with this as well Gruffin's interactions are not making me feel great, I feel a lot of dodging happening at the moment. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:26 PM
#175
Kit said: Jackrito said: I was thinking thisKit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. Kit said: One post says you agree with him, the other says you're not. Making me confused :sJackrito said: No, like Soren said in his observations I was just trying to figure out his alignmentI'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out |
Feb 2, 2017 1:29 PM
#176
Soren said: Jackrito said: He never really stated whether he thought I was town or scum for my proposal, so I didn't have much to say about him.Soren said: Jackrito said: I mean I did mention him, just that I didn't comment on some thing that caught your eye that had missed mine. Help me see what you are seeing with logic. Soren said: Jackrito said: That's true, HMMMMMMMM. Thoughts on the comments I made on other people then?Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. On logic I think the way he has been questioning Rosie and commenting on most things especially around you and the mason talk, so I really don't know how you gave so little on him. It was pretty much the same as mine on why Gruffin and how come onnly you two it gave me a mindmeld, so a slight town read. This is togs though I need a lot more then that though. On Ruu is it not possible they just wanted to share their bit. I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out I answered your question on why I picked gruffin in my #101. Also, togs asked gruffin why she thinks I picked her in his #68 and didn't ask me why I picked her. So be careful to not misrepresent the situation. She changed her vote now. Just because he did not give a clear view on what you are, does not mean you don't comment on them, I would expect a comment on a active players still. Don't do this thing again where you accuse me of trying to misrepresent a situation, what is the difference between the two really. On the Kit thing they voted when I was posting. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:34 PM
#177
Jackrito said: Looking for reasons to scum read = going in with "if this person is scum then..." and then looking at their behaviorsKit said: Hmm.. unvote Vote: Ruu The feeling I get from her posts is that she's trying to find reasons to make people look scummy, but not exactly trying to figure out who is scum. Can you explain the difference, I think Ruu may be going under the radar a bit for me, since I think I'm getting in a tunnel on Soren and Gruffin, the only bad thing I can remember is the push on Denjax which worries me since it seems off. Is this what you are ref to or is they more. Figuring out scum = looking at behaviors first and the going "is this scum or town" Mostly the Denja thing yeah. Looking back she seemed to ask a lot of questions that don't really pertain to alignment at first. I think her posts are improving though and I agree with her about gruffin. unvote, vote: Gruffin |
Feb 2, 2017 1:34 PM
#178
Feb 2, 2017 1:35 PM
#179
Yeah it's been a while since I played with you, I guess I just got a bad feeling but I like your posts recently (when I voted you I hadn't caught up) |
Feb 2, 2017 1:35 PM
#180
Grapefruit21 said: Okay finished my reread of Rosie and yeah her posts don't look great, definitely a bit of flame fanning going on there. That is NAI on it's own, but in this context I do not like it at all. As Soren points out Rosie keeps making it clear she doesn't want to lynch them but will do it if everyone else wants to. Putting the idea out there and supporting it, but not claiming it as her own and actually making the push. Not a look I like at all. @Kit I'd disagree with you there. There was some definite confusion in his breakdown, but his response to 84 is "if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us". If it's not Soren calling Rosie scum it's not far off. I'd vote someone for flinging accusations and voting someone else for weaker stated reasons at this stage of the game. And actually that's why I'm happy with my vote where it is. Other things I don't like this game: @Sollux16 and their double post before leaving, @Ruu in general and evasiveness specifically, and @Wen294. On Rosie I hate their posts atm but my question is this looks like a 3rd party playstyle and they have never played as town. So do they know how to be town and lead a lynch I don't have a lot of exp with them can someone tell me. At the moment they look like someone who wants a lynch but not be blamed for it I would agree on Sollux part of me is putting this down to new perhaps but they seem off and just voting for the sake of it. I get your point on Ruu. Why wen I don't have much of a read apart from they seem passive which is pretty bad but not out of town range. At the moment I have a lot of scum reads with little town which is not a good situation. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:37 PM
#181
Grapefruit21 said: I think the way rosie frames her thoughts is just her personality. You're happy with voting Soren even though you now agree with him about Rosie? o_o Or do you mean more for the Jack stuff? I can understand thatOkay finished my reread of Rosie and yeah her posts don't look great, definitely a bit of flame fanning going on there. That is NAI on it's own, but in this context I do not like it at all. As Soren points out Rosie keeps making it clear she doesn't want to lynch them but will do it if everyone else wants to. Putting the idea out there and supporting it, but not claiming it as her own and actually making the push. Not a look I like at all. @Kit I'd disagree with you there. There was some definite confusion in his breakdown, but his response to 84 is "if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us". If it's not Soren calling Rosie scum it's not far off. I'd vote someone for flinging accusations and voting someone else for weaker stated reasons at this stage of the game. And actually that's why I'm happy with my vote where it is. Other things I don't like this game: @Sollux16 and their double post before leaving, @Ruu in general and evasiveness specifically, and @Wen294. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:40 PM
#182
Soren said: They are different topics, what's to be confused about? I thought you seemed a little biased against Jack for doing mostly the same as me, but I don't agree with Jack that you are scum, at this point.Kit said: Jackrito said: Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. Kit said: One post says you agree with him, the other says you're not. Making me confused :sJackrito said: I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out |
Feb 2, 2017 1:40 PM
#183
Jackrito said: So I'm not allowed to not have thoughts on something that you think should have thoughts on. lul. I just didn't think of it as much as you did, because there were others that overshadowed his comments. Soren said: Jackrito said: Soren said: Jackrito said: I mean I did mention him, just that I didn't comment on some thing that caught your eye that had missed mine. Help me see what you are seeing with logic. Soren said: Jackrito said: That's true, HMMMMMMMM. Thoughts on the comments I made on other people then?Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. On logic I think the way he has been questioning Rosie and commenting on most things especially around you and the mason talk, so I really don't know how you gave so little on him. It was pretty much the same as mine on why Gruffin and how come onnly you two it gave me a mindmeld, so a slight town read. This is togs though I need a lot more then that though. On Ruu is it not possible they just wanted to share their bit. I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out I answered your question on why I picked gruffin in my #101. Also, togs asked gruffin why she thinks I picked her in his #68 and didn't ask me why I picked her. So be careful to not misrepresent the situation. She changed her vote now. Just because he did not give a clear view on what you are, does not mean you don't comment on them, I would expect a comment on a active players still. Don't do this thing again where you accuse me of trying to misrepresent a situation, what is the difference between the two really. On the Kit thing they voted when I was posting. The difference is that you are making it out like I avoided his question when he didn't ask me one. You said "you don't mention his decent question to you", when his question was to gruffin. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:41 PM
#184
Feb 2, 2017 1:42 PM
#185
Kit said: okay i understand nowSoren said: They are different topics, what's to be confused about? I thought you seemed a little biased against Jack for doing mostly the same as me, but I don't agree with Jack that you are scum, at this point.Kit said: Jackrito said: I was thinking thisKit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. Kit said: Jackrito said: No, like Soren said in his observations I was just trying to figure out his alignmentI'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out |
Feb 2, 2017 1:43 PM
#186
@Gruffin well lol its the first time i play this stuff, i have no idea i can ask about. lets say person loves his role and he loves psychological/dark stuff anime maybe hes mafia? maybe he isnt. maybe likes doin dark stuff and he likes night? maybe he doesnt, who knows xd can you pleasee tell me what people DO talk abt then? XD |
Feb 2, 2017 1:44 PM
#187
I may regret asking this but why not, what makes you think they are scum. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:44 PM
#188
Kit said: Is vote lock even a real thing? Yes it is not something you see a lot though. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:45 PM
#189
Jackrito said: On Rosie I hate their posts atm but my question is this looks like a 3rd party playstyle and they have never played as town. So do they know how to be town and lead a lynch I don't have a lot of exp with them can someone tell me. At the moment they look like someone who wants a lynch but not be blamed for it I just want to say that I have never lead a lynch in my life. The closest I got was D1 in Fairytale, trying to pull people off of the Cross train. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:47 PM
#190
Soren said: Jackrito said: So I'm not allowed to not have thoughts on something that you think should have thoughts on. lul. I just didn't think of it as much as you did, because there were others that overshadowed his comments. Soren said: Jackrito said: He never really stated whether he thought I was town or scum for my proposal, so I didn't have much to say about him.Soren said: Jackrito said: I mean I did mention him, just that I didn't comment on some thing that caught your eye that had missed mine. Help me see what you are seeing with logic. Soren said: Jackrito said: That's true, HMMMMMMMM. Thoughts on the comments I made on other people then?Soren said: Kit said: The discussion that arose from my game has been interesting to observe and I've some thoughts on it already, but was waiting for the discussion to go through first before I bring it up. But I might as well give it out now. Soren said: You're allowed to change your vote. You got any reads yet? Or even just a gut feeling or a thought of "this person might be this alignment"? We're 3 pages inRuu said: You do realise that we both voted her before the proposal right.Kit said: Soren said: Aw you saw right through me ;-; (/screeching fox sounds)Kit said: but you actually love that song :pSoren said: If neither of you are scum then I will put "what does the fox say" in my profile for a week :bJackrito said: Had to pick someone. Gruffin is an interesting player, it would be interesting to see who will be able to catch scum first between me and her. Making this into a game where someone gets punished for losing motivates us just a little bit more, making the game between us all the more fun. And if she's scum, it'll be interesting to see how she reacts under the pressure of the game on top of having to fool town.Soren said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: So the intention here is to lynch one of us but not because you think one of us is scum?Gruffin said: I don't want you to be lynch, but a lynching of one of you answer everyone's questions for sure. Possibly.Oyasumi_Rosie said: So why do you want one of us lynched if you do not currently believe either of us is scum?nah not really, at least not yet. Maybe one day I will though As bad as that Rosie answer is and you have right to question it, I'm not letting you avoid the question, Which was why only Gruffin. Ruu said: He's saying he'll be dead irl so he'll be modkilled from inactivity LOLDenjaX said: Get Kit guys. She's scum. She is even trying to kill my heart with moe overload as well. If I get modkilled get her why would you get modkilled? and what's vote Lock ? oh ahahha I'm too sleepy for this xD Who is @Sollux16 ? and if you are playing a scum hunting game why did you both voted for them? @Soren @Gruffin Same question to @Gruffin At first people were just throwing out baselsess conjecture that can't be confirmed. "What if one of them is scum" "What if they're both scum putting up an act?". At first I wanted to jump in and stop it, but then I realised that scum could potentially take advantage of this situation and wanted to observe more and see if scum did. What followed was a series of interesting events. (I gotchu you guy's back who don't read wall posts, summary is below). #30 - logic showing interest in the game and doesn't scrutinise it #33 - togs wanting to be part of the game while sending a nudge my way to generate a little pressure #37 - jack branches off logic's comment in an attempt to question the "game" more. this shows me a sign of suspiciousness #38 - here you branch off jack's comment too in an attempt to bring up the possibility of a certain scenario. at first i thought you were trying to shade it as you added to jack's questioning, but it can also be you keeping your wits about it, it was your next comment that helped this read more. #40 - this comment follows from your questioning. it showed an interest that under the hypothetical scenario that me and gruffin are scum, what was gruffin's game in calling me town. was it even a genuine read? you wanted to understand this, to see if it were possible that both me and gruffin were scum. #41 - rosie's comment doesn't really sit well with me here. doesn't offer her own opinion on the matter but rather, lighting the fire of opportunity, reaching out to the current suspicions in the air by suggesting to lynch either one of us. #42 - jack's comment with the idea that we're scum. thoughts like these tends to put that idea into people's heads and can morph their thinking. however i know that town speaks their mind a lot, and having suspicion is good. in terms of jack, he can read me well and tends of be rather critical. #44 - the power of rosie's comment encouraged this vote on me. im thinking this is kit's added pressure in an attempt to discern my alignment, which rings true with her desire to see that im not just pretending to be excited about scum hunting #45 - then this comment from rosie kinda throws me off. perhaps her previous comment to edge people to vote for either me and gruffin isn't scum motivated. cause this comment would contradict with that action. she now brings up the possibility that we could be masons, which under that pretense would mean that we are town. #47 - kit seems unconvinced by gruffin's explanation of the town lean. thinking that i am pocketing gruffin. does kit no longer think that me and gruffin are scum. or is kit rebutting gruffin's explanation to see how scum!gruffin would respond. #48 - kit discredit's rosie's thoughts, so as to continue her pressure towards me #53 - jack continues to consider that my action can be scum motivated #55 - rosie agrees, says that it is "proof" that we have some sort of connection. im not sure what kind of connection she is talking about here #58 - this shows that rosie doesnt see us as scum, not sure if the second part of that sentence means that she hopes that she will see one or both of us as scum at some point in this game or in a future game. #59 - seems pretty clear from this that jack is having enough suspicions on my actions to have at least a scum lean on me, but doesn't vote me. #62 - the last part of this post where he is worried about this being a mislynch would explain why he hasnt voted for me yet. so he's sitting on the fence about it. #64 - logic remains noncommittal about it. #70 - jack still showing suspicions of my proposal #71 - this comment shows more like rosie wanting to help other people find scum than finding scum herself. #72 - so its the lack of confidence that jack has that is preventing him from voting me at this point #81 - ruu stays away from the discussion that the proposal has brought about. says there is no solid proof to make an accusation, but we never have solid proof to make accusation, thats the point of rvs. #84 - if rosie doesn't want to lynch either of us she shouldn't really be suggesting to others to lynch us #85 - togs doesn't think too much of my proposal #93 - at this point jack might as well vote for me yet doesn't. you don't need 100% confidence as town to vote someone. #113 - guess ruu changed her mind about just observing #121 & #122 - ruu asking questions to understand the opinions regarding me and gruffin, feels off that she isnt giving her own opinion #124 - jack putting on more pressure without committing to a scum read So to summarise this: I feel off by a lot of people. From feeling less off to most off. Kit seems to be working out her suspicion because I follow her inquisitive mindset. Ruu wishes to observe but then started questioning people, guess her mindset changed? Rosie doesn't think that either me or gruffin are scum yet suggests others to lynch us. Jack appears to be trying to work it out too but remains heavily on the opinion that my proposal is a scum motivated action and rejects the possibility of me being town when that gets brought up. Has enough suspicion to vote me, but says he's not "confident" enough to lynch me, yet is so strong in his opinion that my actions are scum motivated. That's a lot of people to feel off about, which has to mean that they can't all be scum, would probably say that kit is the most towniest out of the that bunch, but will have to be a slight lean at this point in the game, too early to really tell. I also cannot restrict myself to look inside this pool. Gruffin thinks I am town but hasn't done much as of yet, logic has been rather noncommitted about the proposal, togs brushes it off, denja completely ignores it and tries to pressure kit, seems he's doing his own scum hunting, albeit appears to be a very weak push to me. While many others haven't commented yet. As for now, jack seems the most scummiest based off how scummy he sees my actions yet hasn't voted me. Vote: Jackrito Soren you know I don't vote early and I like to be sure before I do so really not sure why you see this as strange, you also now know by doing this if I do vote you I will just be suspected of OGMUS voting. I want a better reason for why I'm scum then this, because nothing you said here points me as scum. Since based off my questions so far it is pretty clear I think you are scum and we both know pressure can be done without the vote, so not sure how I have not commited to it. Yes I do why did Logic get no mention in your summary when they have been pretty active, they have been a bit more then non commital that is just pushing them to the side. I would of expected a bigger comment on Togs as well you don't mention his decent question to you which I liked why is this. I will give you the Rosie thing is bad after you and Gruffin they would be my next got to. Also your point on Ruu why do you see this a s strange. It is hard to look a t others because a lot of this wall is based on me and in my view an attempt to shade me because you are aware of the negative mindset some have on me so it would be a easy lynch. Kit has done pretty much the same as me but they are your best town read this makes no sense. What was his question? I must have missed it. It felt odd that she would state that she is going to shy away from the situation and then start questioning people about it. Well, I explained it, I tried to follow her thought process around the situation, whereas you only saw it as scum motivated and continue to see it as such. On logic I think the way he has been questioning Rosie and commenting on most things especially around you and the mason talk, so I really don't know how you gave so little on him. It was pretty much the same as mine on why Gruffin and how come onnly you two it gave me a mindmeld, so a slight town read. This is togs though I need a lot more then that though. On Ruu is it not possible they just wanted to share their bit. I'm pretty sure based off Kit still voting you they still think you are bad and I don't remember them showing much doubt in that. So it is not as different as you keep making out I answered your question on why I picked gruffin in my #101. Also, togs asked gruffin why she thinks I picked her in his #68 and didn't ask me why I picked her. So be careful to not misrepresent the situation. She changed her vote now. Just because he did not give a clear view on what you are, does not mean you don't comment on them, I would expect a comment on a active players still. Don't do this thing again where you accuse me of trying to misrepresent a situation, what is the difference between the two really. On the Kit thing they voted when I was posting. The difference is that you are making it out like I avoided his question when he didn't ask me one. You said "you don't mention his decent question to you", when his question was to gruffin. If someone is active and you want to find scum, I would think you would think on everyone. Which is why I have issue with it and I don't think they were overshadowed. The Togs thing is not about the question it is more that they did something worthwhile, you seemed to be making note of such things, but sorry I got the person wrong the subject is still you though. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:49 PM
#191
What's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What |
Feb 2, 2017 1:50 PM
#192
Soren said: Hasn't been working out the game and got defensive about town reading youWhat's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What |
Feb 2, 2017 1:52 PM
#193
Soren said: What's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What Why are you defending them?. My issue is why they are town reading you off so little, but have nothing on no one else. They also seem to be pretty off their game in my view, I don't even know who they are scum reading Rosie? maybe. How are you not seeing any issues in this. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:58 PM
#194
Kit said: Hmm okay, how do those show you that she has a scum mindset, cause town has acted like that before too. Soren said: Hasn't been working out the game and got defensive about town reading youWhat's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What Jackrito said: I'm trying to understand the scum read cause I'm obviously missing something if I'm not getting it. I can understand why you'd scum read her based off those reasons, I'll have to re-read her posts to see if I get those vibes.Soren said: What's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What Why are you defending them?. My issue is why they are town reading you off so little, but have nothing on no one else. They also seem to be pretty off their game in my view, I don't even know who they are scum reading Rosie? maybe. How are you not seeing any issues in this. |
Feb 2, 2017 1:59 PM
#195
@Jackrito With Ruu and Sollux it was more to draw attention to bad posts than to start a wagon. Just something to keep an eye on. @Kit I'm voting Soren for the same reason I'm scum reading Rosie. They put suspicion on someone, but didn't vote and tie themselves to a wagon. @Soren in one post says scummier things about Rosie than Jack and proceeds to vote for Jack. Rosie floats the idea of lynching Soren or Gruffin but backs up and says she doesn't want to do it, but will if that's what everyone wants. I don't like talking about lynching people without voting them. And I even less like bringing it up drawing attention to it, and then voting someone else for OMGUS. |
Feb 2, 2017 2:05 PM
#196
Soren said: I don't need reasons to scum read her to vote her at this point. Are you trying to get me to unvote? Want me to vote you again instead? Multiple people have stated what they don't like about Gruffin's posts. Can you point out a flaw in those reasonings?Kit said: Hmm okay, how do those show you that she has a scum mindset, cause town has acted like that before too. Soren said: What's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What |
Feb 2, 2017 2:07 PM
#197
Grapefruit21 said: Hmm well ok then@Jackrito With Ruu and Sollux it was more to draw attention to bad posts than to start a wagon. Just something to keep an eye on. @Kit I'm voting Soren for the same reason I'm scum reading Rosie. They put suspicion on someone, but didn't vote and tie themselves to a wagon. @Soren in one post says scummier things about Rosie than Jack and proceeds to vote for Jack. Rosie floats the idea of lynching Soren or Gruffin but backs up and says she doesn't want to do it, but will if that's what everyone wants. I don't like talking about lynching people without voting them. And I even less like bringing it up drawing attention to it, and then voting someone else for OMGUS. |
Feb 2, 2017 2:09 PM
#198
💀 Vote Count 1.4 💀 💀 Soren 💀(3) // 🐩 Togs, Sollux16, Grapefruit21 🐩 Jackrito (2) // 🐩 Rinto-kun , Soren🐩 Ruu(1) // 🐩 DenjaX 🐩 Rinto-kun (1) // 🐩 Logic340 🐩 Sollux16 (1) // 🐩 Gruffin 🐩 wen294 (1) // 🐩 Jackrito 🐩 Grapefruit21 (1) // 🐩 Oyasumi_Rosie 🐩 DenjaX (1) // 🐩 Ruu 🐩 Togs (1) // 🐩 Wen294 🐩 Gruffin (1) // 🐩 Kit 🐩 🐩 Not Voting 🐩 Bunny 🐩Mod Notes 🐩 This phase will last 48 hours. I hope i dont miss anything. If so please do tell me, and ill change it when i wake up. Goodnight o/ 🐩 Time until Night 1 🐩 |
Thanks to vanitystar for making it |
Feb 2, 2017 2:10 PM
#199
@Gruffin I'm not ignoring you, I'm just not reacting XD Jackrito said: Sollux16 said: Ok, not gonna lie, I voted before I completely caught up. XD Now then, I'm finally caught up. (Goes to class and misses just about EVERYTHING! XD) Vote: Soren for being the first to vote me up. I don't really think that scum would reveal themselves this early in the game, but I'm a little suspicious. You really need a better reason then that, especially since you contradict it with the bit after. Since you are caught up you should have a lot more thoughts. To answer your question from earlier, no, I don't have any mafia exp. This is my first game. I don't have a better reason than that at the moment. I haven't really picked up anything from the first few pages. I'll need a bit more time to really start feeling any strong opinions on who's who. Gruffin said: @Sollux16 What makes you suspicious enough of Soren to dismiss your previous thought that scum won't put themselves in the spotlight? Is it the vote on you as your post suggests? What is suspicious about it? I don't really suspect Soren. To be honest I don't know who to suspect and who not to suspect at the moment. Their vote against me isn't really suspicious, so that's not my reason. Soren is just my vote until I pick up a little bit more. |
Feb 2, 2017 2:12 PM
#200
Kit said: I was simply trying to understand why you think she is scum. But seems it has been interpreted entirely differently, as me defending her and the backlash with the intent of voting me back. Soren said: I don't need reasons to scum read her to vote her at this point. Are you trying to get me to unvote? Want me to vote you again instead? Multiple people have stated what they don't like about Gruffin's posts. Can you point out a flaw in those reasonings?Kit said: Soren said: Hasn't been working out the game and got defensive about town reading youWhat's the scum read on gruffin? She has a slight town read on me and so must be scum? What I'll just go re-read gruffin's posts, and the posts you and jack have already made about her. |
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