Soren said: @Sukiya i'm going to need you to explain why you said with 100% certainty that watermelon is town. Only I can know that, as I am sisters with her. i would like to know as well |
Soren said: @mishukax will lovers be notified that they are paired with each other? And if one is wolf while the other is town, will they be notified of the change in their win condition? I think the lovers know about each other like the sisters so they will protect each other. If one dies so does the other right? So if one of them is a wolf we need to see who is protecting who and why. You asked me for suspects and I still don't know. I was looking at older post to see who was against Albertino but it was you and I trust you so I don't know at the moment. I will read some more to see if I find any clues. |
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Soren said: @Sukiya i'm going to need you to explain why you said with 100% certainty that watermelon is town. Only I can know that, as I am sisters with her. I can't explain why, or the werewolfs will probably kill me. |
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InGyiYoon said: by that you mean?gratz for the wolf + |
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| gratz to the town for voting a wolf dont u think its a good thing ? :) |
InGyiYoon said: what about this crow votes ?? I think is random... but by the 3 day we will know if thop was actually a wolf or not. ( if only one wolf is still alive that is...) |
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Soren said: jon weekend basically followed everyone's votes on day 1. and ended up for voting scum too. i am unsure if that means he is scum sheeping everyone or town fumbling around without his own reads. I am a friend to everyone yet to none at the same time and you said you wanted to save watermelon and gave reasons to vote up fate so i followed you, right now in my eyes you are the most dangerous player in this game i am praying that you are telling us the truth that you are town |
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Soren said: Very true, and sometimes it's those little slip ups that make a difference.you make it sound like you're not part of the town Edit: I trust soren, he managed to get us to kill the Vampire leader so he has my trust to the fullest, which includes watermelon. |
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Soren said: you make it sound like you're not part of the town im saying this like "gg for voting this wolf, nice job" nothing else |
InGyiYoon said: okay, aside from focusing on the fact that we lynched a wolf, what are your thoughts on the process of it? do you think that everyone that voted for fatebleach are town? why or why not?Soren said: you make it sound like you're not part of the town im saying this like "gg for voting this wolf, nice job" nothing else |
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Soren said: okay, aside from focusing on the fact that we lynched a wolf, what are your thoughts on the process of it? do you think that everyone that voted for fatebleach are town? why or why not? surely not u know like "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!" eeh D: |
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InGyiYoon said: Soren said: okay, aside from focusing on the fact that we lynched a wolf, what are your thoughts on the process of it? do you think that everyone that voted for fatebleach are town? why or why not? surely not u know like "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!" eeh D: let me ask a more diffcult question...why do you think the werewolfs voted for him there were 5 people who didnt vote for anyone for all we know all of them could have abstained |
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Jon_Weekends said: InGyiYoon said: surely not u know like "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!" eeh D: let me ask a more diffcult question...why do you think the werewolfs voted for him there were 5 people who didnt vote for anyone for all we know all of them could have abstained Im not saying a wolf DID IT I said its POSSIBLE Dont deform what i said D: |
InGyiYoon said: and do you think that anyone who voted for fatebleach had that mindset?Soren said: okay, aside from focusing on the fact that we lynched a wolf, what are your thoughts on the process of it? do you think that everyone that voted for fatebleach are town? why or why not? surely not u know like "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!" eeh D: |
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Soren said: InGyiYoon said: and do you think that anyone who voted for fatebleach had that mindset?surely not u know like "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!" eeh D: Maybe, i dont know I guess we need to read again the last pages If someone voted for him without saying anything, just by being agree with the other as a little sheep, its clarly possible But im not gonna read now, soon going to bed What about you ? :') |
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WisestOne said: Soren said: Very true, and sometimes it's those little slip ups that make a difference.you make it sound like you're not part of the town Edit: I trust soren, he managed to get us to kill the Vampire leader so he has my trust to the fullest, which includes watermelon. Same and also Sukiya. |
Ruu said: WisestOne said: Very true, and sometimes it's those little slip ups that make a difference. Edit: I trust soren, he managed to get us to kill the Vampire leader so he has my trust to the fullest, which includes watermelon. Same and also Sukiya. Guys i dont mean to be the person who ruins trust but he could be lieing for all we know soren and watermelon could be ww who sold out another member so they wont be sus.....right now i trust them complete but end game if they are still alive you guys may want to reconsider....what im bascially saying is dont follow their (soren seems like the dominate sister(winky face)) votes blindly decided for yourself |
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Ruu said: WisestOne said: Very true, and sometimes it's those little slip ups that make a difference. Edit: I trust soren, he managed to get us to kill the Vampire leader so he has my trust to the fullest, which includes watermelon. Same and also Sukiya. I am happy that you trust me, but why do you trust me? |
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Sukiya said: Because I think I know your role :D I am happy that you trust me, but why do you trust me? Because I think I know your role |
| My top 2 suspects right now: 1. Kunii – Surprisingly inactive on the first day. Abstained from voting on day 1. Talked about the potential for Sukiya and Watermelon to be “lovers”, which she would know if she was a wolf. Un-voted without any discussion or telling us why. 2. Tomi02 – Wanted us to wait and not vote. Abstained from voting on day 1. Voted for Watermelon off the bat and accused Watermelon of being Werewolf. Throwing more suspicion on Watermelon for not defending themselves. |
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| @Soren Who do you suspect most right now? How do you feel about Kunii jumping on the Watermelon bandwagon and rescinding her vote without speaking up about it? |
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InGyiYoon said: We gotta evolve this level of thinking if we want to catch scum effectively. Soren said: and do you think that anyone who voted for fatebleach had that mindset? Maybe, i dont know I guess we need to read again the last pages If someone voted for him without saying anything, just by being agree with the other as a little sheep, its clarly possible But im not gonna read now, soon going to bed What about you ? :') One part of finding town or scum in a mafia game is not to have a pre-conceived notion of how we think that scum would act in a certain way and find someone that do that in the game and think that they're scum for it. But to look at people's action in the game and then question whether it makes sense to do that as town or mafia. You see that the process of working someone's alignment out is reversed here, with the latter being the better approach. You scrutinize the last few people who voted for fatebleach because you think that scum would think "well fatebleach is dead anyway, too much vote against him, lets vote against him so they will think i voted against a wolf, im safe they will think im from town!". This pre-conceived notion of how scum would act in that situation doesn't really reflect much on people's actions on the game, as you can use this logic to scrutinize anyone that votes for scum. And ultimately you ended up drawing no conclusion as to who you think are scum. In comparison, if you read the analysis in my #392, firstly I eliminated any pre-conceived notions in my mind so I am not influenced by bias, then I read fate's posts and I asked myself do these actions make sense for a town to do, or for a scum to do? I could not see those actions to come from town, and concluded that his actions were scum oriented. And that's how I was able to catch him as scum. I looked at his post and saw the scum mindset in them. I highly encourage that we use this approach when we read through the game and not to restrain ourself with pre-conceived notions of how we think scum would act. Not to say that pre-conceived notions are entirely wrong, but that they are too general and don't apply to everyone, especially when every player is different. |
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Soren said: Gratz = english slang it is short for congratulation. Though the post in itself seems a little fluffy. It serves as a pro town post but adds nothing else.you make it sound like you're not part of the town |
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logic340 said: My top 2 suspects right now: 1. Kunii – Surprisingly inactive on the first day. Abstained from voting on day 1. Talked about the potential for Sukiya and Watermelon to be “lovers”, which she would know if she was a wolf. Un-voted without any discussion or telling us why. 2. Tomi02 – Wanted us to wait and not vote. Abstained from voting on day 1. Voted for Watermelon off the bat and accused Watermelon of being Werewolf. Throwing more suspicion on Watermelon for not defending themselves. All i did was point out something i thought was suspicious, i mean he did start the random voting and then "went into hiding", after being accused and voted on he didn't defend himself, possible reason being that someone had more votes so it was in his best interest to not talk until someone until he was the most voted. Of course this turned out to most likely be wrong since Soren seems town and he's telling us Watermelon is his sister. I ended up not voting because i wasn't present when the fatebleach thing happened. Wanted us to not vote on day 1 since i thought it was anti-town,, only experience i've had this type of game is town of salem and in that there is no day 1, the game starts off with a night phase. With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. Also don't counter me by saying i don't need to defend soren and watermelon and that i'm just doing this to seem more town when in fact i'm a werewolf because despite that making sense i'm not doing that. |
tomi02 said: logic340 said: My top 2 suspects right now: 1. Kunii – Surprisingly inactive on the first day. Abstained from voting on day 1. Talked about the potential for Sukiya and Watermelon to be “lovers”, which she would know if she was a wolf. Un-voted without any discussion or telling us why. 2. Tomi02 – Wanted us to wait and not vote. Abstained from voting on day 1. Voted for Watermelon off the bat and accused Watermelon of being Werewolf. Throwing more suspicion on Watermelon for not defending themselves. All i did was point out something i thought was suspicious, i mean he did start the random voting and then "went into hiding", after being accused and voted on he didn't defend himself, possible reason being that someone had more votes so it was in his best interest to not talk until someone until he was the most voted. Of course this turned out to most likely be wrong since Soren seems town and he's telling us Watermelon is his sister. I ended up not voting because i wasn't present when the fatebleach thing happened. Wanted us to not vote on day 1 since i thought it was anti-town,, only experience i've had this type of game is town of salem and in that there is no day 1, the game starts off with a night phase. With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. Also don't counter me by saying i don't need to defend soren and watermelon and that i'm just doing this to seem more town when in fact i'm a werewolf because despite that making sense i'm not doing that. okay so thanks for the explanation well then i guess soren and watermelon are town.......also use a comma in the last sentence read it over like 3 times cause i thought you were saying that you were a werewolf =D |
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Soren said: If cupid shot Sukiya and Watermelon, then Watermelon should share that information with you correct? Being sisters does that mean you have a special room you can chat in privately or just let you know they are part of the village and can be trusted. Watermelon has not substantiated Sukiya's claim but I also don't think they are lying about it.@Sukiya i'm going to need you to explain why you said with 100% certainty that watermelon is town. Only I can know that, as I am sisters with her. |
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logic340 said: I have some people in mind but I will have to re-read the game to get the bigger picture of it. @Soren Who do you suspect most right now? How do you feel about Kunii jumping on the Watermelon bandwagon and rescinding her vote without speaking up about it? As for kunii. #344 - I think he is referring to me and watermelon here. I can sort of follow this speculation, he accounts for watermelon calling me 100% town by thinking that the cupid paired me and watermelon together. The fact that he jumped to the conclusion that one is scum is worrying. So this naive speculation doesn't sit well with me, but he is a new player so *shrugs* #347 - he then votes for watermelon, if I am following this right it is because he thinks that the lover pair consists of a wolf and a town. Watermelon already proclaimed that I am 100% town, and so then watermelon must be the wolf lover pair. But this is too naive, does he really think that the wolf would make it this obvious? #352 - here he attempts to substantiate his reasoning a little more. But simply saying that something is suspicious doesn't actually say anything. #354 - not sure what he means to say by this about me defending him #368 - then unvoted watermelon when I claimed that we are both sisters and has no other thoughts on the game. I need to hear more from him before I want to condemn him on anything. He hasn't clearly expressed his thoughts and how he processed the information in the game for me to understand his mindset. While his actions are seemingly odd, we gotta be careful to not immediately associate oddness with scumminess. Town can act odd too, the onus is on us to sort that into town oddness or scum oddness. Having said that, @Kunii can you explain to me what was going through your mind a bit more when you had made those posts. 1. Why did you instantly assume that watermelon and me are lover pairs and didn't consider the possibility of us being sisters? 2. Even if we were lover pairs, why did you instantly assume that watermelon is wolf and I am town? 3. What did you mean by your "yea..." when logic pointed out that I had been defending you? (Also, let me be clear here so that we are not painting the wrong picture. I wasn't defending Kunii. I was defending the position that we shouldn't be lynching someone based on the sole pre-conceived notion that someone with 2 voting power is dangerous) 4. Why did you unvote watermelon immediately after I had claimed sisters with her? I could of been lying (I'm not but you don't know that), and if you had such strong convictions of watermelon and me being lover pairs with one being a wolf, then my claim should not have changed your mind. 5. And finally, have you no other thoughts on the game? |
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Jon_Weekends said: tomi02 said: All i did was point out something i thought was suspicious, i mean he did start the random voting and then "went into hiding", after being accused and voted on he didn't defend himself, possible reason being that someone had more votes so it was in his best interest to not talk until someone until he was the most voted. Of course this turned out to most likely be wrong since Soren seems town and he's telling us Watermelon is his sister. I ended up not voting because i wasn't present when the fatebleach thing happened. Wanted us to not vote on day 1 since i thought it was anti-town,, only experience i've had this type of game is town of salem and in that there is no day 1, the game starts off with a night phase. With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. Also don't counter me by saying i don't need to defend soren and watermelon and that i'm just doing this to seem more town when in fact i'm a werewolf because despite that making sense i'm not doing that. okay so thanks for the explanation well then i guess soren and watermelon are town.......also use a comma in the last sentence read it over like 3 times cause i thought you were saying that you were a werewolf =D Rewrote the sentence to hopefully make it clearer |
tomi02 said: I only said I suspect you Kunii is still at the top of the list from yesterday. I have no experience with this game. Voting is the best way to kill wolves (though not the only way) so abstaining in my opinion would never be a good move. logic340 said: My top 2 suspects right now: 1. Kunii – Surprisingly inactive on the first day. Abstained from voting on day 1. Talked about the potential for Sukiya and Watermelon to be “lovers”, which she would know if she was a wolf. Un-voted without any discussion or telling us why. 2. Tomi02 – Wanted us to wait and not vote. Abstained from voting on day 1. Voted for Watermelon off the bat and accused Watermelon of being Werewolf. Throwing more suspicion on Watermelon for not defending themselves. All i did was point out something i thought was suspicious, i mean he did start the random voting and then "went into hiding", after being accused and voted on he didn't defend himself, possible reason being that someone had more votes so it was in his best interest to not talk until someone until he was the most voted. Of course this turned out to most likely be wrong since Soren seems town and he's telling us Watermelon is his sister. I ended up not voting because i wasn't present when the fatebleach thing happened. Wanted us to not vote on day 1 since i thought it was anti-town,, only experience i've had this type of game is town of salem and in that there is no day 1, the game starts off with a night phase. tomi02 said: If I were to play from the other side I would probably look at it a different way, but since I am town I am not going to concern myself with what a werewolf may or may not do to cover their tracks I am going to keep looking at who is making moves that are in the best interest of the town. This doesn't mean I think you are guilty or I am voting for you just that I am suspicious a little more than others right now. As we have seen things can change quickly.With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. tomi02 said: I'll let people take what they want from this comment....Also don't counter me by saying i don't need to defend soren and watermelon and that i'm just doing this to seem more town when in fact i'm a werewolf because despite that making sense i'm not doing that. |
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| @tomi02 "With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf." Maybe they want you to say that tho D: |
logic340 said: tomi02 said: I only said I suspect you Kunii is still at the top of the list from yesterday. I have no experience with this game. Voting is the best way to kill wolves (though not the only way) so abstaining in my opinion would never be a good move. All i did was point out something i thought was suspicious, i mean he did start the random voting and then "went into hiding", after being accused and voted on he didn't defend himself, possible reason being that someone had more votes so it was in his best interest to not talk until someone until he was the most voted. Of course this turned out to most likely be wrong since Soren seems town and he's telling us Watermelon is his sister. I ended up not voting because i wasn't present when the fatebleach thing happened. Wanted us to not vote on day 1 since i thought it was anti-town,, only experience i've had this type of game is town of salem and in that there is no day 1, the game starts off with a night phase. tomi02 said: If I were to play from the other side I would probably look at it a different way, but since I am town I am not going to concern myself with what a werewolf may or may not do to cover their tracks I am going to keep looking at who is making moves that are in the best interest of the town. This doesn't mean I think you are guilty or I am voting for you just that I am suspicious a little more than others right now. As we have seen things can change quickly.With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. tomi02 said: I'll let people take what they want from this comment....Also don't counter me by saying i don't need to defend soren and watermelon and that i'm just doing this to seem more town when in fact i'm a werewolf because despite that making sense i'm not doing that. read what i said before you posted this comment also im just throwing this out why did you say right before the night phase "get ready for the big bad wolf" |
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InGyiYoon said: @tomi02 "With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf." Maybe they want you to say that tho D: i dont think soren would be dumb enough to make a mistake like that...... |
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Jon_Weekends said: InGyiYoon said: @tomi02 "With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf." Maybe they want you to say that tho D: i dont think soren would be dumb enough to make a mistake like that...... But if they want you to think this, it's not a mistake anymore ^ |
Jon_Weekends said: Because we all knew the wolves were getting ready to kill someone. If you are asking me if I said this to throw attention off myself, I have to answer no as it probably did the opposite. I'm not worried though as I have been one of the most Pro town people.logic340 said: I only said I suspect you Kunii is still at the top of the list from yesterday. I have no experience with this game. Voting is the best way to kill wolves (though not the only way) so abstaining in my opinion would never be a good move. If I were to play from the other side I would probably look at it a different way, but since I am town I am not going to concern myself with what a werewolf may or may not do to cover their tracks I am going to keep looking at who is making moves that are in the best interest of the town. This doesn't mean I think you are guilty or I am voting for you just that I am suspicious a little more than others right now. As we have seen things can change quickly. I'll let people take what they want from this comment.... read what i said before you posted this comment also im just throwing this out why did you say right before the night phase "get ready for the big bad wolf" I will say this though I was The Angel but I didn't want to be lynched since this is my first time playing. Thought I want to win I actually wanted to be able to enjoy the game as well. |
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=/............no its still a mistake.....unless @mishukax can clarify what message the werewolfs recived at the start of the game |
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logic340 said: I do not share a private room with watermelon.Soren said: If cupid shot Sukiya and Watermelon, then Watermelon should share that information with you correct? Being sisters does that mean you have a special room you can chat in privately or just let you know they are part of the village and can be trusted. Watermelon has not substantiated Sukiya's claim but I also don't think they are lying about it.@Sukiya i'm going to need you to explain why you said with 100% certainty that watermelon is town. Only I can know that, as I am sisters with her. |
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Soren said: Based on the explanation of the role I didn't think so. So you know that you can trust what they say in the room but if they were hit by cupid you wouldn't be privileged to that information, correct?logic340 said: I do not share a private room with watermelon.If cupid shot Sukiya and Watermelon, then Watermelon should share that information with you correct? Being sisters does that mean you have a special room you can chat in privately or just let you know they are part of the village and can be trusted. Watermelon has not substantiated Sukiya's claim but I also don't think they are lying about it. |
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tomi02 said: What prompted you to defend me and watermelon?With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. |
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Soren said: I don't think you will be getting that, which is part of my suspicion. I asked multiple questions of Kunii during the previous day that went unanswered. That coupled with the vote thing make me very suspicious.Answer the rest of my questions please. |
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Soren said: tomi02 said: What prompted you to defend me and watermelon?With my defense out of the way, let me defend soren and watermelon further, i do not think that soren and watermelon are both werewolfs as has been sugested already by someone, if they were werewolfs they wouldn't have voted off the vile father on day 1, instead the werewolfs would have voted off a normal werewolf so they could seem town AND still benefit from the vile fathers ability to convert a town. It would be dumb to sacrifice the vile father instead of some random werewolf. If you read #472 Jon poses the possibility that you are both werewolfs, so i defended both of you because due to the reasons i have said already i believe you to be town and the more people we can trust the better off we are. |
logic340 said: I don't think so either. And his lack of participation is starting to annoy me.Soren said: I don't think you will be getting that, which is part of my suspicion. I asked multiple questions of Kunii during the previous day that went unanswered. That coupled with the vote thing make me very suspicious.Answer the rest of my questions please. |
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