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| Going to give a generic answer...it really depends.. At this point I haven't read as much manhwas as I have mangas..but one thing that stuck out to me was in the romance genre manhwas tend to be more mature and realistic than manga so for that genre at least, i prefer manhwas. Generally speaking i also prefer manga art.. The rest depends on the individual title. |
If you don't like Kaneki there's a 90 percent chance you didn't read the manga. Read it now. Just do it. Don't question it mongrel. Rating System l Anime List l Manga List My manga list is a more accurate representation of my preferences Cease your thievery of my wine. |
Not agreeing with someone's else's opinion doesn't make me automatically wrong. what? i never implied anything of the kind. what on earth are you talking about? Besides, I don't think you understood me when I mentioned 'unused space'. The 'details' in webtoons are just fine, some have less, some have more details in color, characters etc. What I don't like is the lack of used space in them between panels. All those examples you linked pretty much have that. I don't like it. It's simple as that. you should have been more specific then. and like i said, the author wasn't only talking about the art. and, imo, it's actually horribly silly to talk about unused space of white or black since manga is just as perpetually white, - it's just in the background and not above the frames. (random manga, not being specific) If you want to talk about bias, then we are both biased - you don't think the webtoons look empty compared to manga, to me they do. i said biased and ignorant. it's different to have full knowledge of something but it's REALLY different if you are obviously ignorant and biased. We could argue about this until the end of days really, it's not going to change my view on it nor my opinion that art-wise, manga does look more appealing and interesting to me. am i going to have to repeat again on how i didn't really care about that? i think so. There is no ignorance in this matter; it's not like I refused to look at them or read them to form my own opinion and decide which artistic style I prefer more. even if not for you, there are still of plenty of other ignorant answers, and not even on this thread. i wasn't really referring to you on bias and ignorance, i was just speaking of the people i have met/read that are. you have said you've read a fair amount of webtoon so you are automatically taken out of the picture. And again - I never said anything against the 'plot and story' of webtoons; I don't know how much I can stress this already. i was just noting that the point of the thread wasn't for art only. that's why i said you were only noting the art and not anything else. But the question was what I found more appealing, hence, one side would either have to prevail or there would be a 50:50 chance of me liking both. When it comes to me personally, the art style of manga prevailed over the art style of webtoons. So, do I think webtoons and manga can both be good story and plot wise? Yes. Do I find webtoons to be overall more appealing to me than manga? No. and again, you are allowed to your own opinion. there is no hard feelings or cream for butthurt allowed. in fact you have probably given the most explained reason why you don't prefer webtoon. others barely have a say since they themselves have admitted to not even reading a lot in the first place. allflying said: Your 12 million dollars money a bunch of people in a room equals 12 million dollars? going to need more than that to convince me. and even if that were true, that's still absolutely nothing compared to the webtoon industry. like it doesn't even come to a third. literally. Semideus said: At this point I haven't read as much manhwas as I have mangas..but one thing that stuck out to me was in the romance genre manhwas tend to be more mature and realistic than manga so for that genre at least, i prefer manhwas. Generally speaking i also prefer manga art.. The rest depends on the individual title. first, my boy gilgamesh. give me a manly hug, right now. mad reps to you. and second, agreed. i find that about webtoon as well. first, the romance aren't constantly in teenville as manga does (and don't even go for that sad argument that most manga readers are teens, so are webtoon readers). for example something about us/out relationship is is already off the bat mature. it's about new college students and there's even drinking in the first 5 chapters. we already see a girl in a horrible relationship when she is kinda-raped by her BF and then there's a man-slut that preys on first years. and that's just a few right there. i'm not even sure i'll come across something like that in even on manga. i must say their slice of lives are a bit better handled than manga, which can be something like not only unrealistic but an unbelievable fantasy at its worst. |
TomDayAug 4, 2016 1:43 PM
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| I personally can enjoy both though I've definitely found a lot more manga series that I enjoyed from my 13 years of reading manga/manhwa. But recently I found a few webtoon series I actually really liked on Spottoon though and have been following them. Haven`t really found any new manga series that I really enjoy though. Most of the series that I do find enjoyable were released years ago. |
TomDay said: a bunch of people in a room equals 12 million dollars? going to need more than that to convince me. and even if that were true, that's still absolutely nothing compared to the webtoon industry. like it doesn't even come to a third. literally. Ignorant detected. Of course, because it didn't play on 12 million dollars field. But hundreds million dollars scale.... then multiplied by two. And that's still not counting Retaisai and Doujin Shop which adds hundreds million dollars more to the bowl. |
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allflying said: Ignorant detected. Of course, because it didn't play on 12 million dollars field. But hundreds million dollars scale.... then multiplied by two. And that's still not counting Retaisai and Doujin Shop which adds hundreds million dollars more to the bowl. what the flaming heck? you still haven't given any proof, and even if that is so, it STILL doesn't match up to webtoon cash. so sorry try again. BaconKingpin said: I personally find manhwa better. I'm currently reading a manhwa called Hive and it's amazing. i heard that it's a better SnK. |
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umashikaneko said: Japanese web manga market is about 800million dollars in 2014. not sure if you were were referring to the last conversation, but that is still not even close to the webtoon industry. (and where is proof of that anyway?) |
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| Yes, because Korean webtoon industry is waaay below that. Not even close of course. |
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allflying said: Yes, because Korean webtoon industry is waaay below that. Not even close of course. LOL DUDE WHAT DO YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE INDUSTRY LOL |
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TomDay said: allflying said: Yes, because Korean webtoon industry is waaay below that. Not even close of course. LOL DUDE WHAT DO YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE INDUSTRY LOL ... says someone who're completely oblivious about Japanese comic industry. |
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allflying said: ... says someone who're completely oblivious about Japanese comic industry. i'm talking about the WEBCOMIC industry vs webtoon. it literally stands no chance. i know enough that it's not making nearly as much cash as webtoon. umashikaneko said: Korean Web manga industry is about 200 million dollars in 2014,360 million dollars in 2015 Japanese web manga industry is 500 million dollars in 2011 over 800 in 2014,1277 in 2015 In relative to GDP, both are pretty much same size no...they're not. where the heck do you get your sources??? the webtoon industry is literally worth hundreds of billions of dollars. lol, "800million". that's a soft cough to webtoon. webmanga and webtoon are galaxies apart. |
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TomDay said: allflying said: ... says someone who're completely oblivious about Japanese comic industry. i'm talking about the WEBCOMIC industry vs webtoon. it literally stands no chance. i know enough that it's not making nearly as much cash as webtoon. umashikaneko said: Korean Web manga industry is about 200 million dollars in 2014,360 million dollars in 2015 Japanese web manga industry is 500 million dollars in 2011 over 800 in 2014,1277 in 2015 In relative to GDP, both are pretty much same size no...they're not. where the heck do you get your sources??? the webtoon industry is literally worth hundreds of billions of dollars. lol, "800million". that's a soft cough to webtoon. webmanga and webtoon are galaxies apart. I think you are mistakenly believe 1 won = 1 dollar. 1 won = 0.0089 dollars Your source just said 100billion KRW(90 million dollars) in 2012 and expected to have 210billionKRW(190 million dollars) in 2014,420 billion KRW(380 million dollars) in 2015 I cited real numbers of past and 200 million dollars in 2014,360 million dollars in 2015 which are very similar to what you cited. We cannot possibly know the numbers of 2016 yet. Hundreds of billions of dollars mean average korean people spending on webtoon more than what they earn a year. |
umashikanekoAug 6, 2016 4:29 PM
umashikaneko said: I think you are mistakenly believe 1 won = 1 dollar. you have mistakenly assumed meant dollars. even japan's version of money stands no chance to webtoon. |
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umashikaneko said: Are you trolling or maybe you are just little kid? Your source clearly says the numbers are in KRW. 100 Billion KRW=90 million dollars,simple as that. wait wait wait a minute...did you just say 100 billion? i said 800 billion bro. which is already 717,144,000 million usd. ......or did you completely ignore my proof? and i absolutely love how you're like "simple as that" when you have provided absolutely no proof to your claims, and i've asked for it more than once. |
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| Personally I would choose manga > manhwa anyday. I would say manhwa is easier to follow the story and what is going on, but I just prefer the layout in most mangas more. |
| @umashikaneko you kept deleting your replies so many times i didn't get this. 720mil is still rounded to one billion, so my point still stands. and what the heck is 3,000 billion? lol |
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| Ignoring the huge argument spanning 3 pages. 1.I like both Manhwa and Manga equally but I've read more Manga than Manhwa 2. I want to like webtoons but it lacks the details of black and white manga and the colors arent the inky-type like with those you would see on a traditional colored comic book page. I know there are several styles of comics and each one is unique in their own way but I prefer b&w and inked style of comic books. (I know most manga and comics are made digitally, inking has made its way into digital comics as well)  |
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umashikaneko said: First,I don't care if you think 720 million forcast as 1 billon. because i asked for your feelings! did i though? I just prooved numbers I cited. "Korean Web manga industry is about 200 million dollars in 2014,360 million dollars in 2015 Japanese web manga industry is 500 million dollars in 2011 over 800 in 2014,1277 in 2015 In relative to GDP, both are pretty much same size". Oh sorry I like to deleting reply than editing but those were pretty much replaced by similar reply. no, i get it, i was replying once and had to delete like 4 times. I have never said 3,000 billion even in deleted reply,you mean numbers in source I putted?If so that is forcast numbers in 2020 or something. oh, i wasn't referring to the translation i got. it said that. 300 billion yen =3000 million dollars,more ore less. what is 3000 million????? also i searched up anything about the industry and all i came across was this. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-01-23/2011-comic-sales-totaled-271.71-billion-yen-in-japan |
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umashikaneko said: but You clearly denied What i said first(Korean web manga market size 2014,2015and Japanese web manga market 2014,2015) that is the whole point what we are talking about. no i didn't???? i only said it was worth billions but is not only worth 1. i wasn't talking about '14 or '15 because i know what it will be worth in '18. anyway if you're letting this go than i will. it's not even the point of the thread. Tomboy said: Ignoring the huge argument spanning 3 pages. it wasn't even one. LOL WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? LOL! |
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| Excuse me but you clearly did denied those numbers at comment 115 TomDay said: umashikaneko said: Korean Web manga industry is about 200 million dollars in 2014,360 million dollars in 2015 Japanese web manga industry is 500 million dollars in 2011 over 800 in 2014,1277 in 2015 In relative to GDP, both are pretty much same size no...they're not. where the heck do you get your sources??? the webtoon industry is literally worth hundreds of billions of dollars. lol, "800million". that's a soft cough to webtoon. webmanga and webtoon are galaxies apart. |
did you not read anything i said? i admitted that it's only worth one. what the heck dude lol |
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TomDay said: umashikaneko said: but You clearly denied What i said first(Korean web manga market size 2014,2015and Japanese web manga market 2014,2015) that is the whole point what we are talking about. no i didn't???? i only said it was worth billions but is not only worth 1. i wasn't talking about '14 or '15 because i know what it will be worth in '18. anyway if you're letting this go than i will. it's not even the point of the thread. Tomboy said: Ignoring the huge argument spanning 3 pages. it wasn't even one. LOL WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? LOL! An inked page? I dont think its hard to see that. |
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| I'd say,,,yes because, manhua I like the color schemes the art comes to life and some of the plots are just so damn good, I listed all my fav in my bio, That being said manga is equally good just lacking color. Every story is diff so the plot development will be diff in each one, but because of the color it makes it seem like the authors give more of a shit to their work |
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umashikaneko said: Well i might have over looked,where did you admit? literally a reply before you quoted me again. oh and why do i need to go to your profile, is it for any specific reason? |
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Tomboy said: An inked page? I dont think its hard to see that. no i mean... where did it come from tho? lol |
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TomDay said: Tomboy said: An inked page? I dont think its hard to see that. no i mean... where did it come from tho? lol Probably a Justice League panel. |
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Tomboy said: Probably a Justice League panel. there was so much ink in that it actually bled into my screen. lady_freyja said: Gender bender wise. Manga are diversified, original, and there is stuffs for all kind of taste. Manhwa are poor, uninspired, a recycled thematic with a big lack of diversity. I dunno why, but out of the dozen of gender bender manhwa that I read, one, one freaking story isn't about school gangs, delinquents or others mafia. Meaning that they're all violent. Yeah, a sub-genre of romance is violent. ......why on earth did you bring up - of ALL genres - gender benders? what is the matter with you?????? i literally cannot find anything more to say on that. as for manga being more original, i had to laugh on that. as a big fan of shounen, i can't say much for other genres on manga or webtoon, but they are worlds apart. just to name a few, there's not only one but two MCs that start off as thoroughly broken characters (witch hunt). here we see a newly transferred boy in an elementary school who meets new kids and befriends them. but when we see him go to recess with his new friends, he finds an excuse to go back inside the school. there we learn right then that bamo, he's stolen their money and is stuffing it in his pockets in the school hall. he's a kleptomaniac. then there's the other MC, who we learn is running away from being killed (or "hunted") but refuses to admit her own faults of this happening in the first place. for another story, there's a story about a guy who breaks away from a terrorist group only for himself to be drawn back to it without his knowing (wonted). in the first season alone he's not your average broken shounen character, who had some traumatic pas with his daddy. he's had a NORMAL LIFE and has to experience his own problems later on in life. oh and then there's one set in superhero land. except it's not about being a superhero, but being a sidekick to one instead (sidekicks). (not even going to get into manhua, which is even MORE diverse than webtoon.) from 3 shounen in manga i can tell you know the MCs are almost all the same. shinra from enen no shouboutai has this dream he can protect anyone and everyone from hard work, is disrespectful to his elders and brashly speaks his mind. same can said for naruto and izuku from academia (although it was pretty unique for shinra to smile only when he's nervous). but then again you could be referring to actual manhwa and not webtoon. in that case screw everything i said. For the actual books, manga and manhwa are similar, the style is different, but otherwise it's the same principle. Though I have yet to find a manhwa with a really good art. But I know that good artists are rare, and that my sample is really poor. So I guess there is gorgeous manhwa out there. thoroughly confused on whether you mean manhwa or webtoon. For the webtoon though… oh nvm. More exactly, they are hyper-cinematic, which have zero interest for romance, SOL and others stuffs that I tend to read. the heck is SOL. oh wait slice of life? never seen it like that. In addition of being hyper-cinematic, the art is pretty poor, unoriginal and generic. http://m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/dice/ep-0/viewer?title_no=64&episode_no=1 uhuh... Romance/SOL/et cætera are emotionally-driven stories, which focus on atmosphere. And for building a good atmosphere, you need a detailed and static art. LOL. i can't BELIEVE you have the ultimate nerve to talk about STATIC ART IN THE ROMANCE GENRE with webtoon as if it doesn't even happen once with manga. even IF webtoon romance is "static", the same can be said even more so for manga, which is not only notorious for its average looking-the-same shoujo art, but its utterly pathetic MC girls and even more pathetic plot points. some of the most popular japanese romances have - and i am NOT exaggerating in any way at all - made me pull my hair, give me stomach pains, make my head hurt, have the irrepressible desire for murder, and utterly exhaust my desire to intrest myself in any more manga or anime. these stories are the most abominable ones around. they deserve more than to be burned. they need to be tortured to their authors, who shamelessly write such crap to the world. see, here i go, that intense hatred building up again. i'd better stop now. Trying to do a romance in a webtoon format is a pure waste. as if how you read ruins an entire story. on the other hand reading backwards, mwah. masterpiece. At best, you can do rom-com, one of my fav' rom-com is a webtoon actually (manhua), but good luck for an emotionally-charged romance in the webtoon format. from all the webtoon romances i read, they ARE rom-com, i can't speak for the serious ones. well at least you didn't use that "they have white spaces ew" reason manga fans love to come up with. |
TomDayAug 15, 2016 6:49 PM
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lady_freyja said: Why? Because like I said, all manhwa that I read save one are gender bender. And I speak about what I know, so I'm speaking about GB manhwa. you certainly aren't speaking of the norm, so i doubt anyone even knows what you're talking about. no-one has even brought it up besides you. You say that action manhwa are more original than action manga? Fine. I'm just saying that GB manhwa aren't as original than GB manga. there you go with saying manhwa. i really don't know what you mean. I bring this because if action manhwa are "more original", it doesn't mean that manhwa in general are more original than manga in general. You have to check genre by genre. that's why i said i know shounen best???? Thank, that's exactly what I meant. It looks like all other webtoon I read from the art standpoint. Thus pretty unoriginal, since all webtoon I saw looks the same. because that link and this have the same art. because this and this look the same. They may have color, they may are pretty well drawn, but they have the same art-style. It's not original at all, and it lacks any kind of personality. you're grasping at straws, there's barely anything understandable with what you're saying. and, again, you talk of webtoon as if manga doesn't do any such thing. as if nothing is the same with it in the least. yeah ok. I enjoy diversity. yeah unlike the rest of us, we like cleche BS that keeps happening over and over. Read again what I wrote. i did before you said that. forget what i said there. It may be hard to distinguish all those things from a comics. So if you don't see what I say, take a look at that AMV of one of the best romance anime I've seen so far. Why an anime's AMV? Because anime are by construction very cinematic, so when it tries to be static, it's blindingly obvious, while comics are by construction very static, so seeing static-ness in it is harder: See how sometime the movements are very slow and jerky, how sometime the characters are moving in the scene while being immobile, how oftentime the scene freeze into an "artwork"? That's how you make an anime more static. ....... i can't believe you brought up an anime video when this thread is clearly for manga. I'm not saying that manhwa are globally inferior to manga. I'm just saying that the particular GB manhwa are inferior to GB manga. there you go again with the manhwa..... and no, you had quite a bit to say besides of the plot of gender benders (who on earth even reads that stuff?). you also went into how the romance wasn't as good as manga, which i feel the need to say that this isn't the problem. it's fine for that. i don't care about that. but you're acting like "omg what a niche genre" as if manga is so universally different from that. |
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TomDay said: lady_freyja said: Why? Because like I said, all manhwa that I read save one are gender bender. And I speak about what I know, so I'm speaking about GB manhwa. you certainly aren't speaking of the norm, so i doubt anyone even knows what you're talking about. no-one has even brought it up besides you. So what if I'm not speaking about the norm? I'm answering that topic from my own perspective (the stuffs I read), you do the same, so please let me speak from my own. Maybe you don't care about GB, but to me it is a very important genre. As you can guess since pretty much every manwha I read so far are GB. Okay. When I say "manhwa", I'm speaking about Korean comics in general, here I don't care about the format (book or webtoon). When I say "book", I'm speaking about manhwa in book-format. When I say "webtoon", I'm speaking about manhwa in webtoon format. So when I say that GB manhwa are less original and diversified than GB manga, I'm saying this for both book and webtoon. Because here I'm speaking about the content of the comics, which is influenced by the culture, not the format. Thank you. Yeah, the first one is different, with a different character design, with a different shading and coloring method. The two last are the same than the rest though. Though, the 3 of them are still the same as the rest on the layout, the "format". TomDay said: They may have color, they may are pretty well drawn, but they have the same art-style. It's not original at all, and it lacks any kind of personality. you're grasping at straws, there's barely anything understandable with what you're saying. and, again, you talk of webtoon as if manga doesn't do any such thing. as if nothing is the same with it in the least. yeah ok. I enjoy diversity. yeah unlike the rest of us, we like cleche BS that keeps happening over and over. Read again what I wrote. i did before you said that. forget what i said there. It may be hard to distinguish all those things from a comics. So if you don't see what I say, take a look at that AMV of one of the best romance anime I've seen so far. Why an anime's AMV? Because anime are by construction very cinematic, so when it tries to be static, it's blindingly obvious, while comics are by construction very static, so seeing static-ness in it is harder: See how sometime the movements are very slow and jerky, how sometime the characters are moving in the scene while being immobile, how oftentime the scene freeze into an "artwork"? That's how you make an anime more static. ....... i can't believe you brought up an anime video when this thread is clearly for manga. I'm using the anime as an analogy, because like I said, it is more easy to show how to make an anime more static than to show how to make a comics more static. But, I'll show you two different manga (book), from two of my fav' mangaka. Then maybe you'll understand what I'm speaking about the art-style, what kind of diversity I enjoy, and how different is a static comics from a cinematic comics. The first manga is Lady Snowblood (LS), an action manga. The second is Rose of Versailles (RoV), an historical tragedy focused on character development (thus an highly emotional manga). On the art-style: LS is refined and simple, without superfluous content, it is blatant on the character design which is inspired from the ukiyo-e (a form of Japanese painting). There is a strong black and white contrast with a solid black coloring. Finally, the art-style try to be realistic. RoV have a very fluid drawing, with a lot of curves. The art-style is globally more romantic, with exaggerated eyes and hair, which are also far more detailed. On the layout/format: LS is very structured, each frame is clear, and the frames try to follow the movements. The effects are also very simple and clear, very straight. RoV is totally destructed, with next to no spatial consistencies, especially with the guillotine that superimpose the character in the first page. The frames are smashed: on the second page there is 4 frames that are blended into each other, they totally faded, while on the third page, there is two frames on the exact same composition. You can also see that there is no movement at all in those 3 pages. I have yet to see something like that in a webtoon (be it a manhwa, a manhua or a manga). Obviously, there is a lot of manga (book) that looks like each other, but there is also very different ones. That's why I said that I enjoy "diversity", that's why I say that webtoon are "poor" and "unoriginal". If one day I'll see two very distinct webtoon on the art, I'll change my mind. But from what I saw so far, they're all very similar and don't reach the kind of diversity that you can found in books. |
removed-userAug 16, 2016 1:40 AM
| i'm just gonna skip everything and go to the most important parts. lady_freyja said: On the art-style: LS is refined and simple, without superfluous content, it is blatant on the character design which is inspired from the ukiyo-e (a form of Japanese painting). There is a strong black and white contrast with a solid black coloring. Finally, the art-style try to be realistic. RoV have a very fluid drawing, with a lot of curves. The art-style is globally more romantic, with exaggerated eyes and hair, which are also far more detailed. On the layout/format: LS is very structured, each frame is clear, and the frames try to follow the movements. The effects are also very simple and clear, very straight. RoV is totally destructed, with next to no spatial consistencies, especially with the guillotine that superimpose the character in the first page. The frames are smashed: on the second page there is 4 frames that are blended into each other, they totally faded, while on the third page, there is two frames on the exact same composition. You can also see that there is no movement at all in those 3 pages. sorry not sorry, but you appear to be massively biased. the very thing you are asking webtoon to be is the very thing that marks their existence. no seriously. it does. it's a fact. 5:56 to 6:04 one of the major things about webtoon is that it DOES act like cinematography. and it does. in the same link i gave you we see a person from a bird's eye view , the second featuring a bottom shot at an angle, the the third featuring the kid's back, the forth from a side view, another hones in on the kid's head, the next showing the ground, he is bleeding, then the camera is on his face and his bleeding nose...this is nowhere near being done and there are already more than one views to watching a kid. oh and that's not even to mention that it also featured music (which manga NEVER does). I have yet to see something like that in a webtoon (be it a manhwa, a manhua or a manga). Obviously, there is a lot of manga (book) that looks like each other, but there is also very different ones. nope, not believing that. you're asking for webtoon to have some kind of dimensional difference with their art but you give manga a slack by saying "that's different". just no. noblesse and aisopos look absolutely nothing alike. there is nothing you can point at on any part of those chapters and say "yep, looks just like," because it's impossible. if you are so focused on saying obviously different things are the same, then the same must be said for manga. not only that, your argument is contradictory. you insist that webtoon is copying (or at the very least is trying to) manga but then you say they all look the same. then when i say the same can be said for manga, you back off of it. does it act like manga or doesn't it? If one day I'll see two very distinct webtoon on the art, I'll change my mind. But from what I saw so far, they're all very similar and don't reach the kind of diversity that you can found in books. get your head out of the manga clouds. the only fault i see here is that you're pissed that webtoon simply does not act as manga does. and it never will be. it's fine that you prefer manga, again, that's not the problem. what is the problem is that you're grasping at water on how webtoon isn't as good, and making manga seem like some kind of holy grail that hardly fails. maybe you haven't seen enough webtoon to tell the difference, that's fine. but when i show them to you, you still deny everything and still hold true to that bias you have. i don't need to find more webtoon, those two webtoon below look nothing alike. they have a different setting, different colors, even different outline thickness. that is, unless, that is, you are communicating wrong and are saying that the reading style is the same, which is correct. if not, i really don't know what you are talking about. i really don't. |
TomDayAug 16, 2016 8:43 PM
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lady_freyja said: TomDay said: you are saying that the reading style is the same, which is correct. Yeeeees! That's it! ahhh, NOW we're getting somewhere. i thought that was so. nevermind then, i completely understand now. you don't have to respond to me anymore if you don't want to. i hope all is forgiven and have a nice day. |
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| honestly i like them both. for me it feels like two sides of the same coin each are a type of comics with different story telling methods. |
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