The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria (light novel)
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| I'm glad this was the first light novel that I read. Amazing piece of work that I can recommend to anyone. Can't stop thinking about this >,< |
darksasuke96Aug 11, 2015 2:30 AM
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| I will try to convince polish publisher of Hakomarii to make some presure and get ilustration of Maria in Weeding Dress to Polish Edition. But even if they will get It,we will have to wait to february 2016 xD |
Molek123 said: I will try to convince polish publisher of Hakomarii to make some presure and get ilustration of Maria in Weeding Dress to Polish Edition. But even if they will get It,we will have to wait to february 2016 xD February 2017, since it'd be in the last volume. ;) Speaking of which, that's quite a decent pace at which they plan to release. I'm actually not too bitter about the lack of an official wedding illustration, though, but one would certainly be great. Someone made one on Twitter, but I'm still hoping for some more (fanart in general as well). |
| Yeah, 2017, my bad. :D Anyway, Waneko (Polish Publisher) will use Polish title to hakomari. But there is a problem: zeroth in Polish usually means useless :D So they will have to use other title, because It just Sounds bad. IMO most acceptable idea for now is to make sth lile: Hakomari V1:Rejecting Classroom. HakoMari V2:Seven night in mud. Etc. There are still other problems: And the biggest will be probably vol.2. Anyway i'm looking for It. Oh, and i can see that hakomari gonna sell like crazy. |
Molek123 said: Anyway, Waneko (Polish Publisher) will use Polish title to hakomari. But there is a problem: zeroth in Polish usually means useless :D So they will have to use other title, because It just Sounds bad. IMO most acceptable idea for now is to make sth lile: Hakomari V1:Rejecting Classroom. HakoMari V2:Seven night in mud. Etc. There are still other problems: And the biggest will be probably vol.2. Anyway i'm looking for It. Oh, the language issues... :D Hakomari as a title doesn't sound bad, but it would kill the nice title drop. If "Zeroth" sounds awkward in Polish, I'd consider using another term that also fits meaning-wise, like "The Initial Maria". Or maybe replace the Maria bit altogether with another term that also refers to the Zeroth Maria ("The Girl Within", "The Lost Identity" or whatnot :D). [edit] Actually, I think the second part could be dropped altogether à la "The Empty Box: The Rejecting Classroom", etc. |
EusthEnoptEronAug 12, 2015 4:56 AM
| Truly one of the most satisfying LN i ever read. Absolute 10/10. And i'm not really bothered with author's decision to leave LN media. It shouldn't make any difference anyway. |
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Shingen_no_Yami said: Truly one of the most satisfying LN i ever read. Absolute 10/10. And i'm not really bothered with author's decision to leave LN media. It shouldn't make any difference anyway. It does for me, he has great ideas, and if he continues writing LNs the chance of getting a HakoMari anime would increased. Anyhow, I know I'm daydreaming when I ask for an anime adaptation, I just can't let the thought of a SHAFT adaptation die yet. |
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Kenchiin said: Shingen_no_Yami said: Truly one of the most satisfying LN i ever read. Absolute 10/10. And i'm not really bothered with author's decision to leave LN media. It shouldn't make any difference anyway. It does for me, he has great ideas, and if he continues writing LNs the chance of getting a HakoMari anime would increased. Anyhow, I know I'm daydreaming when I ask for an anime adaptation, I just can't let the thought of a SHAFT adaptation die yet. Being a LN or not shouldn't affect the chances of getting anime adaption nowadays. Even a freaking thesis could get one. |
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Azthy said: Because of Yanagi's(kazuki first love) wish. Yanagi doesnt fully believe in her wish and (her subconscious) hope/believe that Kazuki will help her, thus Kazuki obtained empty box without knowing it. you can re-read v3 if you want to know more :)10/10 I have one question though, I can't recall or not sure if it was even mentioned, why was it Kazuki who was chosen as Maria's knight obtaining the empty box? |
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| This is one of the most thought-provoking stories I have read in quite a while. I just finished plowing through all seven volumes in five days, and holy crap this story is insane. It's interesting how as the story progresses, the reader becomes accustomed to the crazy plot-twists and begins to distrust EVERY revelation/conclusion preesented. Oddly enough, the whole mystery atmosphere and mind-blowing plot-twists remind me a lot of the dangan ronpa games... Overall, there were some seriously grating tropes and character traits that appeared every so often (ironically, the depictions of kazuki's sacred "everyday life" was the most irritating part of the novels); however, the whole idea of boxes and watching characters get ripped apart psychologically (which fortunately comprises most of the series) is definitely fascinating Also, this is the first time I've ever been afraid of a protagonist's insanity. Thank you Eiji Mikage for investing so much time, effort, and thought into creating this series. Thank you to everyone who worked on translating this at baka-tsuki. |
| That was really a satisfying ending for this kind of series though i would want a separate epilogue for Daiya like what's going on with his mind before he regained consciousness.. same with Kazuki's epilogue. But the fact that he's alive made me happy coz that's all that matters to me :') Also congrats to Kazuki and Maria! Wish there was an illustration of the wedding.. Definitely 10/10 |
| Finally Maria realize how dumb her ways are and did the right thing. btw am i the only one who hates Maria? well yeah she does have her moments i remember i really like her at volume 1, but ever since then she's just frustrating. Overall though, volume 2 and 3 are pretty underwhelming, 4 was ok, the ending was good and fitting i wish they show more. but volume 1, 5 and 6 are definitely the best. |
| tuturu~!! (≧◡≦) |
Ponpokopii said: Finally Maria realize how dumb her ways are and did the right thing. btw am i the only one who hates Maria? well yeah she does have her moments i remember i really like her at volume 1, but ever since then she's just frustrating. No..you are a special snowflake |
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| Chapter 1 thoughts. Pretty powerful opening, the iteration numbers and the decreasing texts describing each one, holy, that indused some chest pains. Kazu's in some deep shit. Forcing himself to choose the world that he doesn't want to be in :'(. I have a feeling that Maria (aya whatever) would find this box similar to how she entered the repeating classroom before. Chapter 2 Maria's past was quite interesting but very messed up. Always having an obnoxious sister who was better than her. That aya is one sly bitch...making maria doubt herself with just one sentence. Wondering if that banging is actually kazuki and the chapters aren't in chronological order Chapter 3 Started off quite dark, really liked the cute flashback, then drowned in darkness once again. Quite painful reading about kazu's suffering this chapter. Hehe so that banging was kazuki. Chapter 4 What an amazing journey. Definitely a very long detour lol. Entire thing was because maria had a misguided view of her sister, but this was also what saves her in the end otherwise she would have been secluded from the outside world and never have met kazuki. Epilogue Such a satisfying ending! Kazu was broken to that extent and it was very interesting seeing his recuperating journey. Although v7 wasn't some convoluted mystery like previous volumes, it shows the extent to which kazuki had to go through to reach out to maria, almost an eternity. Sinking into madness, becoming a mass murderer, and losing himself for love. Overall, it had mind f*cks, mysteries, psychological stuff, and that romantic ending. Definitely will miss this.10/10 Not sure what anime I can watch now after reading this, so empty inside. |
ninja88880Aug 17, 2015 11:33 AM
| what for a masterpiece i really enjoyed it im glad that he finished it |
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Ryuouka said: Most Japanese have different taste (aka shit taste).Yep, it's pretty sad. Well, such a thing as this masterpiece can't possibly go by unnoticed for very long, right? I can't even imagine this to just flow by and disappear with time... |
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| Not that the Japanese overall have bad taste, it just that Light novel is a demographic that aims at teenagers, mostly boys. Story like these would not be popular with such target audience. |
| well I think Hakomari's only problem is incosistent release. People just lost interest. Like Eiji Mikage said, Hakomari can still published until the end is miracle itself. And its impossible to gain other media's adaptation (such as manga/anime/ anything) if the original source is incosistent. Moreover its very hard to adapt in the first place. Well we have HxH case but thats special, HxH gained its popularity first, before its several hiatus. ======= Er-- anyone can tell me how Hakomari sales in Japan? Each volume if possible. |
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| Wow. This has been one of the best things I've ever read. Not just the best light novel series, but the best anything, period. I feel completely drained now that it's over, but in a good way. Simply put, this was a masteepiece. |
| Well, as i said I am rereading Hakomari. And everthing is perfectly clear except one thing. It's about vol 6. Has Kiri "box" to begin with"? I am little confused, because Wish Crushing cinema was from Rino. So if Kiri had, then what happend with it? |
Molek123 said: Kokone doesn't have box.Well, as i said I am rereading Hakomari. And everthing is perfectly clear except one thing. It's about vol 6. Has Kiri "box" to begin with"? I am little confused, because Wish Crushing cinema was from Rino. So if Kiri had, then what happend with it? |
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| BEST LIGHT NOVEL EVER. |
| Okay, I just have to say that this was probably the greatest series I have ever read. I put it off for way too long, only starting it some time last month. Ever since getting to the Game of Idleness I was completely unable to put it down. It was quite a wild ride and I'm so glad I read it. |
-Gensan- said: Azthy said: Because of Yanagi's(kazuki first love) wish. Yanagi doesnt fully believe in her wish and (her subconscious) hope/believe that Kazuki will help her, thus Kazuki obtained empty box without knowing it. you can re-read v3 if you want to know more :)10/10 I have one question though, I can't recall or not sure if it was even mentioned, why was it Kazuki who was chosen as Maria's knight obtaining the empty box? It was Maria's Flawed Bliss that made Kazuki the 'savior'. From v5 'She' is referring to Maria. 'She' who enclosed Nana Yanagi knew that Kazuki was of more help to Yanagi than anyone else, which left an impression on Maria that unconsciously made Kazu the 'Savior'. |
axeshizzleSep 6, 2015 7:17 AM
axeshizzle said: Dont see your point here. it's obvious that every power came from flawed bliss but the question is why Kazuki? Do you think Kazuki can become savior without Yanagi? She's the key to his power.-Gensan- said: Because of Yanagi's(kazuki first love) wish. Yanagi doesnt fully believe in her wish and (her subconscious) hope/believe that Kazuki will help her, thus Kazuki obtained empty box without knowing it. you can re-read v3 if you want to know more :) It was Maria's Flawed Bliss that made Kazuki the 'savior'. From v5 'She' is referring to Maria. 'She' who enclosed Nana Yanagi knew that Kazuki was of more help to Yanagi than anyone else, which left an impression on Maria that unconsciously made Kazu the 'Savior'. |
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EusthEnoptEron said: How Maria acquired her box leaves room for interpretation. My own interpretation is that she, in her despair, somehow ended up channeling a greater power (that could be an allegory for something) to grant "her wish", which also created a personification of that greater power called "O". This was touched upon in the prologue of volume 5 and at the end of chapter 2 in volume 7. At the end of the day, though, it's just a plot device to drive the leading theme of how to grant your wishes. |
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-Gensan- said: Dont see your point here. it's obvious that every power came from flawed bliss but the question is why Kazuki? Do you think Kazuki can become savior without Yanagi? She's the key to his power. Right, but the first time you didn't make any mention that relates Kazu being the 'savior' to Maria's flawed bliss causing this. ↓ -Gensan- said: Because of Yanagi's(kazuki first love) wish. Yanagi doesnt fully believe in her wish and (her subconscious) hope/believe that Kazuki will help her, thus Kazuki obtained empty box without knowing it. you can re-read v3 if you want to know more :) It's not Yanagi's wish that made Kazu the 'savior', it's Maria's impression of Yanagi's savior that unconsciously caused her to make Kazu the 'savior'. |
| I dont need to say water is the cause of flood right? you know how the box works right? why kazuki has box is similar to why the reject classroom is loop. axeshizzle said: It's not Yanagi's wish that made Kazu the 'savior', it's Maria's impression of Yanagi's savior that unconsciously caused her to make Kazu the 'savior'. How did Maria get the impression of who's Yanagi's savior in the first place? |
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O isn't the only one who can create a box. Kazuki's box came directly from Maria, subconsciously. God!! i never said O is the one that create Kazuki's box. Yanagi made her wish directly with Maria, so it's obvious that kazuki box came from Maria.Actually i dont really see your point here. Are you trying to say Kazuki box has nothing to do with Yanagi? If Yanaga hadn't made her wish, do you believe Kazuki will obtain his box? |
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| She didn't directly made him acquire his box, but her subconscious did. |
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| Yanagi's wish has nothing to do with Kazuki's empty box. In fact, we don't even know what she wished for. The only reason why Kazuki acquired his role as Maria's savior is because he matched her image of a devoted "savior" when she dealt with Yanagi. I.e. Yanagi's wish only really concerned her and her bf. |
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