Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

Viktor_Otaku said:
Portraying Slaine as having to rely upon other while gathering their support is not wrong. Inaho from time to time have to rely on others like Inko to help save his own skin.

seujair31 said:


Funny is not it, All the complaints about the character Inaho in the first season, fit perfectly with Slaine. Inaho accuse Gary Stu, he never lost a battle, obscuring the cast of the earth. And what is happening in the second season, Appears Slaine Gary Stu, with super piloting skills, with a super mecha Gary Stu Tharsis, Which Provides for the future, and from the first episode, never lost a battle with his friend Tharsis, idestroyed an entire base, which counts several Martians, tried for years and not even managed to make a scratch, in just 5 seconds, now Slaine Gary Stu can fight in the level of Inaho equal to Peer, Slaine this overshadowing the list of Martians, inclussive his servant Harklight .
The funniest thing que fanboys Slaine calls this development, of course with the glasses fans there is always two weights and two Measures, When was Inaho is because it is a Gary Stu, now When it happens These upgrade with Slaine call development.
Clearly this casette Gary Stu upgrades to Slaine, because the season is focused on the struggle between InahoXSlaine, and for convenience had to make the Rival Inaho a Gary Stu Mecha, to force a battle, and convenient for the script.
Most users think development in accordance with their favorite son in law, and not the main genre of anime that is mecha. Most fanboys Slaine are fans of shojo and fantasy, rather than judge the character development just think like it's cheek characters shojo

Viktor_Otaku said:


Well Inaho has often relied on his friends to help defeat the various Orbital Knights and his piloting skills are clearly a cut above the regulars. I mean he can survive against multiple attacks from the Orbital Knights while other would had just been destroyed in the first strike.

Darklight0303 said:


it's not that he's relying on others that is wrong. It's that he's lying through his teeth to do so.

Darklight0303 said:


That mostly comes from the fact that he doesn't panic like an average soldier and actually ANALYZES his opponents while fighting.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which I must add borders on the realm of super computer functions. I mean really, having a discussion on the laws of physics while in combat ? That is just as improbable as future predictions.

And the combat with Argyre shows, most other regulars can't even move to avoid it even when it is just a mech with a very large sword. While Inaho has been shown to avoid it not once but twice.

Shadzy_ said:


Fortunately Inaho is polite enough to always speak his thoughts out loud so we can all keep up.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which is even more improbable. I mean the whole lecture took about 3 mins. What was the other guy doing ? Brewing some of Vers special krill coffee while saying "Oh no take your time, please.".

Darklight0303 said:


It's the same kind of thing like average villains letting characters undergo a lengthy transformation without attacking.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Well there is proof that all of this discussion is happening in real time. While most hero transformations are mostly implied to be instantaneous. The sequence done purely for fan service. The whole computer analysis and ammo switching more than proves it.

Darklight0303 said:


It's the same kind of thing like average villains letting characters undergo a lengthy transformation without attacking. It's an industry standard that is not worth nitpicking.

Darklight0303 said:


But Inaho rarely stays in place when giving these so called lectures. he stays mobile. What have all of the average mooks had in common before they got axed? They froze up in the face of overwhelming power. That is also a consequence of the Earth leadership covering up everything about the Knights that fell to earth during Heaven's fall. Your average trooper would expect to fight mechs that were about in the same line of specs as his own machine. Not gravity manipulating behemoths.

Viktor_Otaku said:
If that is considered nitpicking. What about the scene where Slaine fired at Inaho and vice versa. While some people say that the pic transition proves that Slaine fired first. One can also said that both of them fired at the same time. The scene being done in whole screen just to emphasis on the impact. That is one thing that was always on my mine. Things that happen at the same time need not be shown together on screen at the same time.

Darklight0303 said:


But Inaho rarely stays in place when giving these so called lectures. he stays mobile. What have all of the average mooks had in common before they got axed? They froze up in the face of overwhelming power. That is also a consequence of the Earth leadership covering up everything about the Knights that fell to earth during Heaven's fall. Your average trooper would expect to fight mechs that were about in the same line of specs as his own machine. Not gravity manipulating behemoths.

seujair31 said:


Actually Slaine does shows intelligence. He initially keeps the secret of the Princess being alive from everyone because he does not know who to trust and that because his word hold less value than those of the Orbital Knights which is rightfully proven.

And Slaine could have been more dismissive about Harklight and treat him like dirt, yet he does not do so. Instead using his suggestion goes to show that he knows people skills, in that he is able to adapt and take other people into consideration. It would be terribly boring to have another super computer brain adversary pitted against Inaho (who's abilities quite honestly borders on the improbable here). Slaine have the prediction system while Inaho has improbable analysis skills, so it evens it out here. If the dev staff wanted to they could have just give Slaine a super computer brain as well, but that would be boring.

Saazbaum never expected Slaine to be loyal, he shot Slaine's princess and did some horrible things to Slaine. Despite the fact that they are both very similar (they both have similar political views and undying devotion to the woman they love) and that they could had been good friends if the circumstances were different, he already knew that this was one of the possible decisions Slaine would make and he accepted it. Saazbaum never particularly cared about how the other nobles view him, his discussion with Slaine about the social and his dismissive attitude about Cruhteo made that clear. And the other Counts never hold Saazbaum in any particular regard in return beyond that of being the Princess's guardian. If they do they would have respected Saazbaum decision to make Slaine a Knight even though they despised him .

Slaine went along with Saazbaum because he understands that Saazbaum plans if modified could potentially help break the terrible circumstances surrounding Asselyum (being treated like a tool and trophy) and change Vers society for the better. His original ambush was meant for Inaho, but he readily adapts it to get rid of Saazbaum as he knows that Saazbaums original plan was to kill the Princess and that he could revert to it anytime soon. The whole bird cage discussion also fits here, in Slaine's eyes the Royal Family is being view partially as trophies and tools.




So no, based on what I see . Slaine is way beyond Bizon in terms of character depth, development

seujair31 said:


Actually Slaine does shows intelligence. He initially keeps the secret of the Princess being alive from everyone because he does not know who to trust and that because his word hold less value than those of the Orbital Knights which is rightfully proven.

And Slaine could have been more dismissive about Harklight and treat him like dirt, yet he does not do so. Instead using his suggestion goes to show that he knows people skills, in that he is able to adapt and take other people into consideration. It would be terribly boring to have another super computer brain adversary pitted against Inaho (who's abilities quite honestly borders on the improbable here). Slaine have the prediction system while Inaho has improbable analysis skills, so it evens it out here. If the dev staff wanted to they could have just give Slaine a super computer brain as well, but that would be boring.

Saazbaum never expected Slaine to be loyal, he shot Slaine's princess and did some horrible things to Slaine. Despite the fact that they are both very similar (they both have similar political views and undying devotion to the woman they love) and that they could had been good friends if the circumstances were different, he already knew that this was one of the possible decisions Slaine would make and he accepted it. Saazbaum never particularly cared about how the other nobles view him, his discussion with Slaine about the social and his dismissive attitude about Cruhteo made that clear. And the other Counts never hold Saazbaum in any particular regard in return beyond that of being the Princess's guardian. If they do they would have respected Saazbaum decision to make Slaine a Knight even though they despised him .

Slaine went along with Saazbaum because he understands that Saazbaum plans if modified could potentially help break the terrible circumstances surrounding Asselyum (being treated like a tool and trophy) and change Vers society for the better. His original ambush was meant for Inaho, but he readily adapts it to get rid of Saazbaum as he knows that Saazbaums original plan was to kill the Princess and that he could revert to it anytime soon. The whole bird cage discussion also fits here, in Slaine's eyes the Royal Family is being view partially as trophies and tools.

So no, based on what I see . Slaine is way beyond Bizon in terms of character depth, development

Darklight0303 said:




That is nowhere near the same thing. We clearly see Slaine firing first and Inaho returning fire. He'd taken aim when Slaine started being suspicious but was not going to fire if Slaine had not fired first.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Actually no not quite, remember the fight with Elysium. While he was giving his analysis he was actually standing still with the weapons carrier beside him the whole time.

Viktor_Otaku said:

To me Slaine fired first because of the sequence. It was always Slaine, Inaho, Slaine Inaho. So the fact that Slaine fired first was simply because he just so happen to be placed in first in the dialogue and transition.

seujair31 said:


Actually Slaine does shows intelligence. He initially keeps the secret of the Princess being alive from everyone because he does not know who to trust and that because his word hold less value than those of the Orbital Knights which is rightfully proven.

And Slaine could have been more dismissive about Harklight and treat him like dirt, yet he does not do so. Instead using his suggestion goes to show that he knows people skills, in that he is able to adapt and take other people into consideration. It would be terribly boring to have another super computer brain adversary pitted against Inaho (who's abilities quite honestly borders on the improbable here). Slaine have the prediction system while Inaho has improbable analysis skills, so it evens it out here. If the dev staff wanted to they could have just give Slaine a super computer brain as well, but that would be boring.

Saazbaum never expected Slaine to be loyal, he shot Slaine's princess and did some horrible things to Slaine. Despite the fact that they are both very similar (they both have similar political views and undying devotion to the woman they love) and that they could had been good friends if the circumstances were different, he already knew that this was one of the possible decisions Slaine would make and he accepted it. Saazbaum never particularly cared about how the other nobles view him, his discussion with Slaine about the social and his dismissive attitude about Cruhteo made that clear. And the other Counts never hold Saazbaum in any particular regard in return beyond that of being the Princess's guardian. If they do they would have respected Saazbaum decision to make Slaine a Knight even though they despised him .

Slaine went along with Saazbaum because he understands that Saazbaum plans if modified could potentially help break the terrible circumstances surrounding Asselyum (being treated like a tool and trophy) and change Vers society for the better. His original ambush was meant for Inaho, but he readily adapts it to get rid of Saazbaum as he knows that Saazbaums original plan was to kill the Princess and that he could revert to it anytime soon. The whole bird cage discussion also fits here, in Slaine's eyes the Royal Family is being view partially as trophies and tools.




So no, based on what I see . Slaine is way beyond Bizon in terms of character depth, development

Viktor_Otaku said:


which anime you watched
Slaine account Cruhteo Asseylum that is alive he does not believe, after Slaine account to the King in his room that Asseylum is alive she is alive, the more the King does not believe in Slaine because Cruhteo had already spoken to the King. He did not intende nothing of true nature of people, it is naive and easily deceived, and Saazbaum Lemrina, has bad intentions Asseylum, and he does not see that. Yes forecast the future is a normal skill, you find in any corner. Slaine has no political vision similar to Saazbaum, a Saazbaum lived on Mars you know the people of it, Slaine not know the poverty of Mars, he never went hungry, he never lived in the slums of Mars, he lived in the castle Cruhteo he had perks that other soldiers had not, he had access to princess, he had the intention of the princess, he did not intende nothing of poverty from Mars. Saazbaum became the hero of Mars, who saved the princess after the farce on episode 12 where Saazbaum and Slaine omitted the truth, yes soiling the image of the princess who is in a state of induced coma, committing genocide, killing people, and promoting a war on behalf of Asseylum without your concentimem is really commendable. Yes he knows the princess of guilt was shot is not only Saazbaum plus it had a great participation.
Once your contradiction you say that the royal family is seen as a trophy, so because they want to overthrow the monarchy.
Face your comment is totally ireal, it seems that you have not watched the anime, simplesmete you are explessando your opinion in love with his character, and rewriting the anime on your point of view

Darklight0303 said:


A naive point that only seeks to excuse Slaine's unstable mental state. He is impulsive when it comes to matters of the princess and again HE was the first one to aim the turrets at Inaho. This is the fact. He shot first on purpose. The moment the turrets were aimed at him, Inaho naturally aimed his own gun at Slaine's wing. Note he aimed at THE WING, and not the cockpit. He could have blown a hole clear through the gut of the craft.

Viktor_Otaku said:




His suspicion is granted. On the other hand Inaho's extreme calmness at some times freak me out. The whole transition is debatable to some point. Yet the blame could not be placed squarely on Slaine alone. A discussion is a one person conduct.

Darklight0303 said:


Slaine's circumstances were suspicious by default. Therefore the burden of providing answers to questioning was actually solely his own. He is in a martian craft, he just fought against another martian. That is abberant behavior and Slaine offered NO justification for it whatsoever.

His impulsiveness also got his precious princess shot. So no it is a bad thing.

Viktor_Otaku said:


You forget that there is a very convenient scapegoat in the form of Lemrina at hand. And Slaine's point of view is that he wanted to change the society yet at the same time he wants to protect the Princess. Overthrowing usually involves massacring the entire family involve. Something that Slaine would want to prevent at all cause.

Slaine may not had suffered physically but he definitely had understood the hardships that the commoners face. Remember that he had to serve the Orbital Knights on a daily basis, who form the elite of Vers society with very bigoted views.

Slaine does not want the real princess involved as he knows that her nativity (she believed that once her message gets to Vers the war would stop) would not had helped her. Even if the war stopped the condition in Vers would not have changed, the poor would have gotten poorer while the rich richer. Given enough time the cycle would repeat it self. The war is merely a means to a end.

seujair31 said:



So the King lives on the moon base, if the anime it were reform, they would already be on Mars, because there's only 7 episodes, the anime should focus, in the battle between InahoxSlaine and rescue the princess, I think they do not even mars, because of to see the op, pieces of tharsis Sleipnir and the rest of the original surface of the moon. I do not think the show will reach Mars

Viktor_Otaku said:
I never stated anywhere that I support Slaine. I just giving my opinion on why Slaine did all these things. So stop making baseless assumptions

I am also not in view that Inaho is a picture perfect protagonist as well. But this is fine because it makes the character believable.

Imagine a Aldnoah/Power ranger show. Where Inaho is righteously good while Slaine is morally bad. Would make a pretty bland show to me.

Darklight0303 said:


Instead Slaine is just stupidly bad. Again saving Sazbaum went completely against his life's goal to protect the princess. Even if she wasn't there, Sazbaum would have hunted Slaine and Asseylum down and then they'd both die. Saving the count was the biggest and most stupid decision he could have made.

Darklight0303 said:


Instead Slaine is just stupidly bad. Again saving Sazbaum went completely against his life's goal to protect the princess. Even if she wasn't there, Sazbaum would have hunted Slaine and Asseylum down and then they'd both die. Saving the count was the biggest and most stupid decision he could have made.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Slaine saved the Count partly because he knows that even if Saazbaum was exposed. The Princess would not be safe forever, given the tension in Vers. It is only a matter of time before hatred is redirected against the Royal Family. So Slaine reasoned that Saazbaum's plans could provide a mean to secure perpetual safety for the Princess, by ending the cycle of hate.

Darklight0303 said:


You missed my point entirely. I am not talking about after the princess was shot here. I am talking while she was still at large and Slaine still prioritized finding her over the so called Martian people. Even if he had found Asseylum elsewhere and she didn't get shot by Sazbaum, now Slaine and Asseylum would have to run away from Sazbaum who would stop at nothing to kill her even if it meant killing Slaine. That is what makes Slaine saving Sazbaum from Inaho so unbelievably stupid.

You actually think Slaine is capable of planning things long term when everything organized since the princess was shot was done mostly by Sazbaum with Slaine providing the firepower on the field thanks to Tharsis.

Lemrina was brought in by Sazbaum after all. Not by Slaine

Viktor_Otaku said:


Slaine is planning for long term after he joined up with Saazbaum when he told him of his planes and the condition of Vers society. And Slaine never knew that Saazbaum was behind the whole plot before they had their little dinner chit-chat where incidentally he told him about his plans as well.

Of course the whole story was poorly dictated. But it still goes to show that Slaine understood that the Princess's problems would not end simply by rooting out the conspirators and ending the war.

seujair31 said:


Slaine this King in the room was right in front of the king
more you did not answer how they will reach Mars without Hypergate

seujair31 said:


Trillram, told Slaine, about the assassination plot of the princess. Trillram is knight of Saazbaum..

seujair31 said:




This is Aldnoah.Zero, forgot that Deucalion was in space hit a shot in Mazuurek that was on earth. Did you see the scope of weapon used by Slaine, to kill Saazbaun, she gave full turn around the earth, as this battle is fuses with ridiculous powers, imagine the distance that every stray bullet, can achieve.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Slaine is planning for long term after he joined up with Saazbaum when he told him of his planes and the condition of Vers society. And Slaine never knew that Saazbaum was behind the whole plot before they had their little dinner chit-chat where incidentally he told him about his plans as well.

Of course the whole story was poorly dictated. But it still goes to show that Slaine understood that the Princess's problems would not end simply by rooting out the conspirators and ending the war.

Knight-Artorias said:


Deucalion was about to enter Earth and uses different ammo than the Tharsis, and yes Slaine made his shots orbit Earth but they didn't enter Earth now did they?

And Slaine is in a middle of a duel, he doesn't know where the Terrans even are and he sure isn't gonna do the calculations in the middle of a fight, that would be bs.

Darklight0303 said:


That doesn't change anything. He was still going to kill the princess. This was the inevitable result that would come from saving him. Sazbaum was not going to bend himself over to spare the princess just to have his help with his bloody revolution paid in the blood of Terrans. Heck Slaine didn't even have Tharsis at that moment. He had nothing to give Sazbaum in exchance for sparing the Princess. He didn't think whatsoever. He acted on impulse and misguided grudge.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Slaine offers Saazbaum a person who he can confine with his planes. A person who can share his vision, which would definitely means a whole lot to him. Saazbaum did wanted Slaine to join him, that was his offer and Slaine was supposed to dictate a term to him. Namely that the Princess is not to be harmed.
A shame that Slaine did not get the chance to talk it out.

And personally Saazbaum needed someone who he can pass his ideals on. Slaine, who was born a Terran and understood the hardships and oppression of the commoners was a perfect candidate.

Viktor_Otaku said:


But when it was done by Inaho it is perfectly fine................. just saying.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which he communicated with by the hologram. With the power of Aldnoah, it is not impossible for them to create a means of transport back to Mars. This war was after all started with the motive of seizing earth's resource. But of course this war would not reach Mars, but the effects will. If Vers wins, the conspirators can use this resource to built a power base to directly challenge the rest of Vers.

Darklight0303 said:


Except Sazbaum would never spare the princess no matter what Slaine said. He said it himself it doesn't matter to him which side Slaine chose. If he would stand wiht the princess Slaine would die like any other.

seujair31 said:


I've never seen this communication by hologram, when the counts communicate is through a munitor, and when Lemrina talks with the king is personally reviewed the Slaine scene enters the King's room, and is close to the bed, it is no hologram, when hologram people are a little transparent

Knight-Artorias said:


Because Inaho used his fancy calculator to do that, it was stated before that the calculations for the shots to orbit earth was done by Harklight not Slaine.

And again Slaine doesn't even know where the freak they are and his in the middle of a duel.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which is why Slaine chooses to betray Saazbaum because he knows he can't be trusted. Slaine agrees with his goal, but not his way of achieving it.

Darklight0303 said:
And yet he still saved him from Inaho, thus putting the princess in mortal peril in the long term had she not been just a wall over. You still don't see how his decision to save Sazbaum was beyond retarded?

Viktor_Otaku said:


I am not saying that Slaine should do a feat like this. I am merely stating that some people prefer a character making improbable calculations while in the heat of battle with nothing but his brain power(improbable I know) while hating another person who reasonably did his maths before battle with another person's help.

Viktor_Otaku said:


I am not saying that Slaine should do a feat like this. I am merely stating that some people prefer a character making improbable calculations while in the heat of battle with nothing but his brain power(improbable I know) while hating another person who reasonably did his maths before battle with another person's help.

ANGRY2011 said:


In a very short time to make a decision, in the middle of the heat of battle, Slaine saves Saaz, the guy who threatened the princess, but hasn't yet attacked him, over the guy in orange who he's already begun hostilities with from an earlier date. Bad decision, as we find out, but in that instant, I can see Slaine making a choice like that.