| I am pretty sure no one is talking about caladbolg II. |
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| Bring this from other thread to avoid derailment: mickdrew_99 said: People were complaining about Saber vs Beserker? I must have missed that derailment, what was it about? edit: Oh, do you mean about Saber being able to cut Berserker? Enjoy: The animation is awful... don't be fooled, Some part used only 7 frame by second and was never better than 13 images second, some part were in 3D CG (even for the character) with PSX quality. the action scene omited many movement to give the illusion of high speed and all the explosion and light effect were in 3D Stop calling this serie unlimited budget works, the animation is really cheap for people who like good animation... the same fight in 2010 movie was 70% in 24 frame by second with better background animation fully decomposed movement and explosion in full 2D animation. This fight was really unlimited budget works And I love how adding some thing in 2006 version was bad, but just because it's Ufotable, it's good.... Ufotable work on the licencse is not as good than everyboady love to think. Actually their work is not better than Deen or JCstaff. |
Just_ChickenNov 3, 2014 10:38 AM
chickenonthepan said: It looks good, but it's CG, so it's bad. Enjoy: words Also, this guy is counting frames? I love watching my anime in slow-motion to count the frames, too. |
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FakePriest said: Who is the troll? I am not a troll, I just not an UFOtable fanboy. Ufotable work on the licencse is not as good than everyboady love to think. Actually their work is not better than Deen or JCstaff. Some bonus, from the same person: actually the animation in this ep 3 is far from being good, like during the precedent episode, the ep use fast move, explosion and flash light to ommit many in between animation, the every explosion was was 3D, even berserker was in 3D during a scene. The episode give the illusion of good animation but in fact very few part had good animation. The Saber vs Berserker for 2010 movie had far better animation. Actually I found the ep very meh.... and the part in the church was really dumb, because it spoil.... 6/10, no more... And the ultimate: Actually except some harcore fan, who care how much archer kill berserker? using unlimited blade works, just make Berserker to seem even more dangerous than he is. And no, they didn't just put somes thing for other route. What planning to do Caster is different from other route, the use of Sakura is also different from her use in heaven feel. They also crate some. And the movie is for me a very good adaptation of UBW if we see it like an extention from 2006 série,. The only thing i found interresting in UBW is the fight and Shirou/Archer and maybe badass Lancer. Rin is the same than into Fate, Saber is not very different and, Caster and Kuzuki already had some devloppment in 2006 serie The VN is too slow for being relly interesting and we already add ton of slice of life with the first series, I can't bear it one more time. I just watch UBW for the fights, the story is just a pretty basic shonen manga . |
| Seems to be Crunchyroll forums. I don't think he's trolling, he just has a very... negative opinion of the new anime. Which I personally don't understand. I don't understand either how he can think the UBW movie was good, let alone a good adaptation when almost everyone I know was either confused or disappointed after having seen it. Then again, all of them are VN readers, so that might be it. |
CapsuleCoreNov 3, 2014 10:54 AM
| Trying just a bit too hard. |
| I chose to ignore most of shit in CR forums after bunch of people jumped on me that "this is totally Zero sequel since they say that Zero events happened in the past!!!!11" |
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CorePriest said: There are two possibilities.Seems to be Crunchyroll forums. I don't think he's trolling, he just has a very... negative opinion of the new anime. Which I personally don't understand. I don't understand either how he can think the UBW movie was good, let alone a good adaptation when almost everyone I know was either confused or disappointed after having seen it. Then again, all of them are VN readers, so that might be it. 1)He is a troll. 2)He is retarded. I really dont care if I act as a hardcore fanboy or as an asshole but you cant have a positive opinion for something that barely did anything good, without either 1) or 2). FZ viewers and newcomers I know, dropped Deen's FSN AND you dont need to be a fanboy to see how different the reactions to Ufotable's and deen's works are. |
| Difference between DEEN additions and Ufo additions: - DEEN mixes shit up. Their additions contradict the lore of Nasuverse and the VN itself. - Ufo's additions are by Nasu and do not contradict anything. We can talk about Saber vs. Berserker later though... |
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| I was reading FSN again and in Day 1 in Prologue, Rin calls Saegusa the track team's manager and Makidera and Kane the teams hopefuls.Did they change Maki's position in the anime? |
FakePriest said: I was reading FSN again and in Day 1 in Prologue, Rin calls Saegusa the track team's manager and Makidera and Kane the teams hopefuls.Did they change Maki's position in the anime? Positions have nothing to do with personalities, so I doubt it. |
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| So, there was this thread on reddit about trying to mislead people about Archer's identity without out right lying and it got me thinking: does EMIYArcher, as a servant, even exist in the timeline where he becomes a Counter Guardian? I'm talking about the Illya route here. If not, who was Rin's servant? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
CookingPriest said: Didnt Shirou call her captain/president?FakePriest said: I was reading FSN again and in Day 1 in Prologue, Rin calls Saegusa the track team's manager and Makidera and Kane the teams hopefuls.Did they change Maki's position in the anime? Positions have nothing to do with personalities, so I doubt it. insan3priest said: EMIYA.So, there was this thread on reddit about trying to mislead people about Archer's identity without out right lying and it got me thinking: does EMIYArcher, as a servant, even exist in the timeline where he becomes a Counter Guardian? I'm talking about the Illya route here. If not, who was Rin's servant? It doesnt even matter if it is Ilya's route since when Archer is summoned the story is at a point before any route starts. +Throne of Heroes outside of time axis etc... |
| Yeah, I get that. But, what if the route was somehow set before Archer was even put in the Throne of Heroes? I mean, in order for the Heroic Spirit to be born there would have to be a timeline where Archer never existed, I would think? Well, this is one of those things that kind of makes sense in my head. But, I'm not sure how to explain my thought process. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: So, there was this thread on reddit about trying to mislead people about Archer's identity without out right lying and it got me thinking: does EMIYArcher, as a servant, even exist in the timeline where he becomes a Counter Guardian? I'm talking about the Illya route here. If not, who was Rin's servant? Gilgamesh. This combo would fuck shit up. |
insan3priest said: I get what you mean, it is a situation where there's a time paradox and headaches.Yeah, I get that. But, what if the route was somehow set before Archer was even put in the Throne of Heroes? I mean, in order for the Heroic Spirit to be born there would have to be a timeline where Archer never existed, I would think? Well, this is one of those things that kind of makes sense in my head. But, I'm not sure how to explain my thought process. |
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insan3priest said: Yeah, I get that. But, what if the route was somehow set before Archer was even put in the Throne of Heroes? I mean, in order for the Heroic Spirit to be born there would have to be a timeline where Archer never existed, I would think? Well, this is one of those things that kind of makes sense in my head. But, I'm not sure how to explain my thought process. Time has no meaning for throne of heroes. Saber from her point of view is not dead yet, yet from SHirou's she's been dead good few hundred years ago. |
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insan3priest said: Well what Fai said.Yeah, I get that. But, what if the route was somehow set before Archer was even put in the Throne of Heroes? I mean, in order for the Heroic Spirit to be born there would have to be a timeline where Archer never existed, I would think? Well, this is one of those things that kind of makes sense in my head. But, I'm not sure how to explain my thought process. ToH gives the middle finger to all timelines since the HS wont be affected by that. Even in a timeline where Shirou dies in the fire, EMIYA can still be summoned by Rin,as long as she uses the pendant. |
| You have to assume that Shirou doesn't exclusively become Archer from an Ilya route, but that it is a route where he also becomes Archer. Technically speaking, Shirou could follow through on his ideals in any route, seen or unseen, and we are only shown 3. It only takes 1, and so even in Ilya's route, I would expect Archer to be Rin's servant. Even excluding this, a time paradox has "always happened" already. Even if Shirou became Archer in Ilya route, the Archer in the Throne of Heroes "always happened", as there is no concept of time there. |
| Archer's pendant is the catalyst for Rin though. |
| I feel like the Saber thing is somewhat different, though. She's stuck in the moment right before her death, is taken out of that moment, and inserted into whichever Holy Grail War. With Archer, it's like there had to be a timeline before he became a servant right? So there was no way for him to be placed in the Throne of Heroes at that point until he makes his deal, dies, and then is placed and dispersed throughout the timelines. Maybe he'd be placed in the "Illya route" timeline after he becomes a Servant but what I'm saying is place the route before that even happens. But, yeah, like Botato pointed out: this shit is confusing. But, just work with me here and imagine a route where Rin has no Archer, so Shirou is never made aware of how distorted his ideal is, and thus there is nothing to stop him from becoming like Archer. This is somewhat like how I think the Illya route would go. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
CorePriest said: Archer's pendant is the catalyst for Rin though. Even so, I'd expect Servants and Masters to always have the same start for the "5th Holy Grail War" as a concept. The catalyst itself is a paradox: "Rin was meant to save Shirou", so 'Archer will always be summoned by Rin" (even before she saves him). |
Kayaba-Nov 3, 2014 12:47 PM
insan3priest said: I feel like the Saber thing is somewhat different, though. She's stuck in the moment right before her death, is taken out of that moment, and inserted into whichever Holy Grail War. With Archer, it's like there had to be a timeline before he became a servant right? So there was no way for him to be placed in the Throne of Heroes at that point until he makes his deal, dies, and then is placed and dispersed throughout the timelines. Maybe he'd be placed in the "Illya route" timeline after he becomes a Servant but what I'm saying is place the route before that even happens. But, yeah, like Botato pointed out: this shit is confusing. But, just work with me here and imagine a route where Rin has no Archer, so Shirou is never made aware of how distorted his ideal is, and thus there is nothing to stop him from becoming like Archer. This is somewhat like how I think the Illya route would go. There is a timeline where Archer came from. But Archer would still be summoned in it. As said before, Throne of Heroes cares not about time consistency. Archer made his deal at some point in time and as long as its true he can be summoned into any timeline,even his own before he did it. Even if that Archer were to murder his own exact past self, due to nature of multiverse, all it would do it, is to create/makeusobserve a branch where he did that, while there exists the world where he did not manage to. |
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| Imagine Rin got Gil as her servant. Her HGW would be really short and bloody. Shirou would have no time to think about his ideal. :p You could make your own headcanon, it's not really matter. Unless Nasu chooses to reveal more about his route in UBW anime. |
| So, I guess Archer is taken out by Saber like in Fate and HF then in whatever timeline he comes from? Even then, I just can't imagine him standing by and letting himself make the same mistakes he did. Maybe he gets outright killed by Saber in that timeline then? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: So, I guess Archer is taken out by Saber like in Fate and HF then in whatever timeline he comes from? Even then, I just can't imagine him standing by and letting himself make the same mistakes he did. Maybe he gets outright killed by Saber in that timeline then? Even if he stops his own past self, there will always be a version where he does not stop his past self, because multiverse branching. |
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chickenonthepan said: Imagine Rin got Gil as her servant. Her HGW would be really short and bloody. Shirou would have no time to think about his ideal. :p You could make your own headcanon, it's not really matter. Unless Nasu chooses to reveal more about his route in UBW anime. I don't think Rin and Gil would even be able to co-exist. She'd probably be a different sort of "boring" than her father to Gil, but it would still probably end up with him betraying her. Also, would this mean two fucking Gil's would be running around!!!!? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: So, I guess Archer is taken out by Saber like in Fate and HF then in whatever timeline he comes from? Even then, I just can't imagine him standing by and letting himself make the same mistakes he did. Maybe he gets outright killed by Saber in that timeline then? Or it plays out similarly to where he dies to protect someone, and all the events afterwards vary and were out of Archer's control in the first place? Examples: Focus on Ilya, different circumstances, decisions. Unseen events. Only the start is always the same right. |
insan3priest said: chickenonthepan said: Imagine Rin got Gil as her servant. Her HGW would be really short and bloody. Shirou would have no time to think about his ideal. :p You could make your own headcanon, it's not really matter. Unless Nasu chooses to reveal more about his route in UBW anime. I don't think Rin and Gil would even be able to co-exist. She'd probably be a different sort of "boring" than her father to Gil, but it would still probably end up with him betraying her. Also, would this mean two fucking Gil's would be running around!!!!? That would be amazing |
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-Shuda- said: insan3priest said: So, I guess Archer is taken out by Saber like in Fate and HF then in whatever timeline he comes from? Even then, I just can't imagine him standing by and letting himself make the same mistakes he did. Maybe he gets outright killed by Saber in that timeline then? Or it plays out similarly to where he dies to protect someone, and all the events afterwards vary and were out of Archer's control in the first place? Examples: Focus on Ilya, different circumstances, decisions. Unseen events. Only the start is the same right. Yeah, I guess that's true. He dies on like the 11 day in Fate and pretty early, don't remember when, in Heaven's Feel. So, yeah, things could definitely go out of his control then. Fuck, though, you guys can say "it's better to be able to imagine it for yourself" all you want but I really want to see how Shirou became Archer. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: chickenonthepan said: Imagine Rin got Gil as her servant. Her HGW would be really short and bloody. Shirou would have no time to think about his ideal. :p You could make your own headcanon, it's not really matter. Unless Nasu chooses to reveal more about his route in UBW anime. I don't think Rin and Gil would even be able to co-exist. She'd probably be a different sort of "boring" than her father to Gil, but it would still probably end up with him betraying her. Also, would this mean two fucking Gil's would be running around!!!!? She is uable to summon a Servant, so Kotomanly gives her Gil. :p Well, maybe the Rin-Lancer pair is more interesting? |
Just_ChickenNov 3, 2014 12:45 PM
| @Insan3 True I believe in that "imagination" part, but just like Archer vs Bazaka, if it someday existed, I'd enjoy the life out of it :D. There was this manga panel in one of the Fate spin-offs I saw where Shirou had "the look" to him, and was going berserk on something. Definitely caught my interest. |
Kayaba-Nov 3, 2014 12:51 PM
insan3priest said: Yeah, I guess that's true. He dies on like the 11 day in Fate and pretty early, don't remember when, in Heaven's Feel. So, yeah, things could definitely go out of his control then. Fuck, though, you guys can say "it's better to be able to imagine it for yourself" all you want but I really want to see how Shirou became Archer. If you are lucky, Nasu may give us something in this adaption. |
chickenonthepan said: She is uable to summon a Servant, so Kotomanly gives her Gil. :p Well, maybe the Rin-Lancer pair is more interesting? Nope, sorry. In this route, Bazzet is a part of the War. Why? Why the fuck not? It would indeed be cool if something like Archer's backstory was elaborated on in this adaptation. Won't get my hopes up though. I am curious how Rin's dreams will be handled, though. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
chickenonthepan said: insan3priest said: Yeah, I guess that's true. He dies on like the 11 day in Fate and pretty early, don't remember when, in Heaven's Feel. So, yeah, things could definitely go out of his control then. Fuck, though, you guys can say "it's better to be able to imagine it for yourself" all you want but I really want to see how Shirou became Archer. If you are lucky, Nasu may give us something in this adaption. No. I hope not. War starts the same., Shirou makes decision that makes everyone he cares die. That's enough knowledge to leave it mysterious Any other details can be garnered from Fate/Zero event progression. |
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insan3priest said: chickenonthepan said: She is uable to summon a Servant, so Kotomanly gives her Gil. :p Well, maybe the Rin-Lancer pair is more interesting? Nope, sorry. In this route, Bazzet is a part of the War. Why? Why the fuck not? It would indeed be cool if something like Archer's backstory was elaborated on in this adaptation. Won't get my hopes up though. I am curious how Rin's dreams will be handled, though. Thinking more about it, I think Gil betraying her is exactly the point. Archer lost all the people he holds dear really early in his life. And Archer hates Gil. |
| Rin will always summon Archer though. Whether she makes a pact with Gilgamesh or not after "losing him" (hypothetically) is up to your imagination. Bring on the fanarts!  |
-Shuda- said: You mean Shirou from Fate/Kaleid?@Insan3 True I believe in that "imagination" part, but just like Archer vs Bazaka, if it someday existed, I'd enjoy the life out of it :D. There was this manga panel in one of the Fate spin-offs I saw where Shirou had "the look" to him, and was going berserk on something. Definitely caught my interest. |
| Yeah, we get that she will always summon Archer already. Doesn't mean we can't have fun with it, though. edit: If Fate/Kaleid does somehow become an Origin story for Archer would Fai hate it then? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| @FakePriest - I believe so @Insan3 - Ah, alright now that it has been cleared up, I'll hold myself back :P still waiting on fanarts |
Kayaba-Nov 3, 2014 1:12 PM
insan3priest said: Yeah, we get that she will always summon Archer already. Doesn't mean we can't have fun with it, though. edit: If Fate/Kaleid does somehow become an Origin story for Archer would Fai hate it then? Its not origin story for archer since its not fifth war. Its Sixth War and that Shirou has no fucking idea who Illya is since Illya does not exist in his world If anything its more like yet another dystopian timeline. |
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| Oh, I don't mind all that much. The Shirou parts are one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to that series. Well, he's looked pretty bad ass there. @ Fai Yeah, that's right. Well, shit. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: It's too badass for him to become that kind of heretic.If Fate/Kaleid does somehow become an Origin story for Archer would Fai hate it then? At least I hope so... Edit: Read Fai's spoilers, first off holy shit, second holy fucking shit, third never mind. |
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BotatoPriest said: insan3priest said: It's too badass for him to become that kind of heretic.If Fate/Kaleid does somehow become an Origin story for Archer would Fai hate it then? At least I hope so... Hey, Archer's got his issues. But, he's certainly not low on the badass meter. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: I was talking about Fai hating Kaleid.BotatoPriest said: It's too badass for him to become that kind of heretic. At least I hope so... Hey, Archer's got his issues. But, he's certainly not low on the badass meter. But nevermind.. |
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| Yeah, Fai (and others) pretty much ruined all of my theories in one fell swoop in this thread. I......feel like crying. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
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chickenonthepan said: Well, maybe the Rin-Lancer pair is more interesting? She can't go to anywhere if she is limping that much |
KeyToCourage said: chickenonthepan said: Well, maybe the Rin-Lancer pair is more interesting? She can't go to anywhere if she is limping that much Sorry I'm 8 hours late, C'mon batato you should be all over this. |
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