Opinions on the Fate Route - VN readers

chickenonthepan said:
And she hopes the band can enjoy their time in HF True End.

Mirakura said:
To start off with, the basic story line. Fate is the intro, but I hate it when people see it as 'only' the intro. It explains Saber's backstory which in itself, is huge, and is almost the mirror image of Archer's in UBW. See, the thing is, it would be a better route, less weak/stronger, if they didn't limit it to infodumping. UBW showcases some twists, HF is totally batshit crazy, Fate only introduces you to the Grail War. But ofc, this is needed, if we didn't have all the info dump in Fate, we'd go into UBW like, 'wha?'. And next to none of the HF twists will have much impact. Especially when Fate specifically crams those rules into your brain by repeating them over and over - this is preparing for the twists in the other routes.

The route itself, is better balanced than the other two, imo. When I think of UBW, I think 'action' straight away. Even tho it contains depressing stuff about Archer and his past, as well as the ideal sharing. But the thing is, it's not balanced as well, so that's all I remember first. Ofc, more action and Archer is never bad~ Anyways, HF, the first thing I think is, horror, gore. I also see it as too packed with things. It trys so hard to fit in the huge things we haven't learnt about yet, it kills off 'unneeded' characters/ everyservant not called Rider and True Assassin. And every character that's not called [Shirou, Ilya, Kirei, Sakura, Rin, Zouken]. Even tho it does a good job overall, it's too packed(don't even start on the cooking scenes [characterisation]). It would've been way better if there was just the Ilya route as well.

The heroine, Saber, I honestly don't see how people find her 'boring'. And the character's 'backstory' is also part of their character, so you can't pass that off. I found her backstory quite intuiging - King Fucking Arthur as a girl, all dem twists that could happen, Moedred, Morganna, Merlin, all dem shit - can never get enough of it, or maybe I'm just an history-fag, lol. Anyways, her backstory, what she had to limit herself to, how she went through life day-by-day, for years, without living happily. The fact she doesn't care for herself, nor victimise herself even after what's happened to her. Whilst in HF, if feels like the Author makes you want to feel sorry for Sakura, it doesn't feel like that in Fate. It's shown how she eventually, changes to realise what Shirou's saying, what he says what he does. Those dream cycles, they expose some of her character, her personality, e.t.c

She is glorious. She's so courageous. She uses her own power. Compared to Shirou and Rin, she has a naturally frail body - see, very petite, and she's supposed to look 15, love of God, compare her body to Sakura's . She uses her prana, that one advantage she had. And she can fight servants. No, she's complete human, unlike Doggy-kun, Gil, Herk, e.t.c Who may have their powers lessened, but the fact Arturia can fight servants and she's not from the age of gods, and all that is from HER OWN POWERS, is mind-blowing. Hehe, 'Humans can't fight servants' my ass, she can beat like half of them, as Alter(so with alot of prana really,) all of them. WHEN she has her Avalon. Yeah, sounds pretty OP, but, oh well~ She IS Arthur, what'd you expect? Lol, I think
I fagged too much there XD.


Shirou, Fate Shirou, some people, or most people rather, hate him for his 'sexist comments'. I, however, and more people in Avalon(this Saber FC), know that 1) Obvs a mistake on Nasu's part 2) He must not have meant it in a sexist way when he said it, he tried to word his thoughts, but they only came out like that. Fate sets up Shirou's ways of thinking, and his ideals, as well as looking into his some of his past, and linking those things together. It starts looking into Shirou's character, his martyr actions, his sense of justice and independence. It shows Shirou doesn't like people potecting him - all his 'sexist' comments- it also shows that Shirou doesn't like when people live like him, quite hypocrtical, but oh well. I, overall, think Fate Shirou is stronger in sense and raw power, than HF and UBW Shirou. See, where Fate Shirou was brutanized by Saber, he had no help from Archer, or anything to do with Archer. He worked with his world's Shirou's raw power.

His mentality. I doubt HF Shirou will be accepted by Caliburn, no, not cos he's accosiated with Sakura, but because I see him as rather selfish, and I'm sure other people do as well. Caliburn, chooses only the purest, determined, would risk their lives for peace(or shtuff like that), a selfless person. So basically 'England's Ideal King'. Plus, see, if you compare UBW and HF Shirou both had a part of Archer infused into them. OFC, they had to practice and get help from others to get a hold of the powers properly, but Fate Shirou only had Archer's dieing words to work with. And he did amazingly with it, brilliant, excellent, infact. After reading the whole VN and comparing the Shirous, realising he did that all on his own, gained some respect for him from me. Enough of my Fate-Shirou fagging!

Romance. I DO see why people say it's 'forced'. The way it's presented is 'forced', imo. But actually LOOKING at the depth of ths romance. Saber is bound to fall in love with Shirou evey route, I am not lying~ why does she follow him to fight Archer in UBW, and WANT HIM TO WIN AGAINST HER when she's fucking corrupted and 'apathetic' about everything. Shirou always has that little crush on Saber, since they meet, on that fateful night. He always admired her, and looked up to her(may have fagged out a bit on this). And the DEEPEST thing about them, they are literally mirror images.

Who could know you more than yourself? OFC, there's the saying 'opposites attract'(Rin and Shirou, lol), but thats not all the time. Thing about Arturia adn Shirou, if you could see yourself, from another person's pov, you'd spot your flaws, mistakes, how to improve youself. They HAVE the same ideal. They both want to save people, doesn't matter if it cost their lives, they WILL SAVE THAT PERSON. Whilst Arturia's 'main' motive is to 'save country', what is she doing? Saving people. How can she love someone she doesn't know? She says she loves her country and wants to save it, but she can't love those she doesn't know. Proving she simply wants to 'save people' like Shirou.

ARCHER. Archer and Saber are left and right brains m8. BTW, I haven't even strated. He lived Saber's life. They both started off, nice childhood, even tho they lived their childhoods developing their ideals. They had set what they wanted for the future, what was set in the stone for them(literally for Arthur - hence where the frase comes from). They grew, at around the same time of their lives, a problem arose, the Dark Ages Arturia lives in, bound to be trouble when her dad died, the HGW for EMIYA.

They both solved their problems. And they continued on to live their lives, saving people, even if they didn't smile, seeing others happy was enough. Eventually, people started betraying them. Heroes always have one person or the other to start their end. That one knight left - those people classifying EMIYA as a tyrant. Consequently leading to their ends. They both died on a hill - a hill of swords, and a hill of men. Ofc, EMIYA made his contract long before his death, but it's a contract nevertheless, no? They both made contracts with the same 'thing' or concience, to gain something - power, the grail. I'm guessing EMIYA didn't see a CG's job to be bad till he faced the real thing. If Saber ever gets that Grail, or any Grail, she will be in EMIYA's position. Countless killing and being a cleanup person for the end of worlds, will change her, just like EMIYA.

Anyways, now we're done with their deeper alikeness, how they are fated to be with/together. Sword and Scabbard. I think that sums that bit up ;D. The romance plot - Shirou constantly telling her she's a girl. THAT IS NOT THE REASON SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM. She saw herself in him, he was; courageous, a good person, brave, determined. IIRC she stated in the VN somewhere he would've made a good knight or whatnot. He also saw her flaws, and stated it.

See, thing is, millions or people live/lived in Britan. And NONE of them could do what Shirou did? They didn't dare speak her flaws? They didn't dare say 'hey have a break!', 'I'll take care of this, you can rest', 'you should live happily for yourself', 'try to rely on us, don't try doung everything on your own'. The fact no-one in a whole kingdom would say that is disturning- and that's an understatement. YEAH, she was their king, that didn't stop Shirou, even tho he could have eaisily got an excaliblast to the face. She saw that, and slowly, slowly, she started falling in love with him. Shirou, at first he admired her.
That person he could never reach. Ofc, like his normal arc, he wants to save that person, he wants to save her, from herself. He saw her life, he saw how she acted. How could he not love his ideal person? Rather than 'damsel in distress' like Sakura or 'doesn't need saving at all- puff' Rin, Saber was strong, but she still needed to be saved from herself. And he knew that. So he tried. The more he tried to save/help her, the more he started to get to know her, the real [color[blue]Arturia Pendragon[/color], the girl that never gets her happiness. And he fell in love.

I can pass this as my opinion right? #ROMANTIST. People out there would have looked into this as well. Probs, well it's popular, I'm sure people've looked deeply into it as well. And, don't forget the H-scenes. First was hilarious as fuck, second was meaningful. I prefer dragon to threesome cos, well, Arturia's dragon aspect is already stated, it doesn't feel as out of place as Rin's dolphins *bursts out laughing* sorry, had to. And it had a better effect. Shirou ACTUALLY GAVE her his magic circuits - she fucking ate his arm off - see, he was still able to do Caliburn after wards - too much awesome. It goes better than any of the other h-alts, and some h-scenes as well. Would've been better, imo, if they added dragon scene for first h-scene, and had the second stay the same.

The action. Glorious fights. I swear, all but 2 fights include Saber, lol. I find all the battles enjoyable. Like every other battle in the VN. Ofc, the Archer vs Berser-car and Caliburn, and Avalon fights were memorial(did I use that right?). They all hold alot of impact. Summoning Caliburn alone proves how alike Shirou and Saber are, Caliburn accepted him as it's master, I bet Moedred would never had achieved that(see apo if you don't get that). As well as Avalon. The King's most favoured things, yes Excalibur is not included for obvious reasons. Saber clearly cherished Caliburn more, and Avalon is a given - Merlin - she was ordered to XD.

9/10 route for me. Could do with more bones?

So............is that all? I think it's all, questions, opinions! Come at meh, my body is ready!

CookingPriest said:


Because GOod End of UBW makes you go "no stop, this is fucking stupid this would never happen, what a fucking cop out that breaks all the rules".

WrongPriest said:
Yeah I guess she can't properly use spells until she's been de-wormed, Unless in the absolute heat of the moment.

Physical means aren't out of the question but there's still the issue of being mentally unable to stand up to Zouken.

Although I think she's in a pretty fragile state of mind as it is, that's why I thought quite a few of the actions during/after the 5th War could trigger a retaliation.

Meh, I guess i just like the FHA version better.

mirakura said:
He can still use her to get an offspring even without the HGW.He can also take over hr body.

She'll probs be free 10 yrs later. Unless Zouken acts early and marries her off to a Magus like he originally planned :3

chickenonthepan said:
it's really a good idea that Gil kills Sakura when he invades the Matou household.

chickenonthepan said:
Sakura's situation after Fate and UBW is like Archer's situation after Fate and HF, and Saber's situation after HF. It's fulled with uncertainty.

Each one of us has 1 head canon. Why we have to debate about it?

Not like I care anyway. But thinking back, it's really a good idea that Gil kills Sakura when he invades the Matou household, then she will has a proper closure. It would not change anything story wise.

FakePriest said:

Except from the other characters lives?You would think that would have some impact on them.

chickenonthepan said:


Yeah, Shirou would have more reason to stomp Gil.

normalpriest said:
by the way at which moment do we hear the music myth revived?