| um.. iStarted playing chess and iThink its cool... anybody knows an anime related? |
Rub_my_Fanny said: Hikari No Go is about Shogi which is like chess. I would also like to play you in chess so that I may crush you. Hikaru no Go is about Go...not shougi. Great series by the way. Shion no Ou is about shougi, but I haven't seen it. And Akagi, Saki, and Legendary Gambler Tetsuya are about mahjong. Those are about all the series I know of about board games. None are chess, but I believe shougi is very similar to chess. |
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| Code Geass is one big metaphor for chess wahahaha |
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Rub_my_Fanny said: you meanieHikaru No Go is about GO which is similar to chess. I would also like to play you in chess so that I may crush you. |
| kuroshitsuji desu~ Ciel is a great chess player. |
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Saito-sama said: Code Geass is one big metaphor for chess wahahaha Saito-sama said: Code Geass is one big metaphor for chess wahahaha yeah this my new fav anime i'm on it right now :D tehnominator said: Cool and chess do not go in the same sentence. look iWill prove it => Daijinkaze thinks chess is cool and does not (give a fuck) consider tehnominator's opinion. BigSimo said: Rub_my_Fanny said: you meanieHikaru No Go is about GO which is similar to chess. I would also like to play you in chess so that I may crush you. lol mean isn"t the right word , pretentious is more like it! anyway thx everybody for the recommendations :) |
tehnominator said: Cool and chess do not go in the same sentence. Die. Anyways, it's a shame there aren't more anime and manga about board or card games. I think chess, on a high level, would be far too complicated for most viewers to understand and appreciate, and the methodology and heuristics used by strong players (myself included) are surprisingly one-dimensional and straightforward, but something like backgammon or poker? That would be really neat. So far, Akagi and Kaiji are the only two good ones I've seen. Hikaru no Go is awful. |
| I don't believe there are any chess anime, nor will there ever be. http://barrageshot.hp.infoseek.co.jp/chess01.htm is the best you're going to get, OP. |
hikky said: Off topic, but god I hate chess. Nothing but a source of displeasure in my life; pressured into tournaments and stuff as a kid. And it's not even a skill you can be at all proud of. Nobody really wants to know that you can beat them at chess without looking at the board. Honestly there are better hobbies, OP. For me, playing in tournaments as a kid and teenager are among my happiest memories in life. It was grueling, it was often mentally and psychologically painful, (concentrating for over 10 hours a day over 3 days as a 13 year-old is no fun) but holy shit, I absolutely loved the experience, and would do it all again tenfold in a heartbeat. Chess is demanding and stressful when studied and played on a serious level, moreso than most other games or sports, but for those that love it, there's nothing more awesome. As for your statement that it's not a "skill to be proud of", that's a surprisingly dumb statement coming from you. I'm not even saying it's incorrect, but it's exactly the same class of skills as baskeball, singing, dancing, Scrabble, etc.; utterly useless in just about every mainstream profession, but interesting for those who care about it. By your definition, the only "skills to be proud of" would be a small subset of the ones taught in high school and college. |
| In b4 chess flamewar! (wow, never thought I would have to say that on MAL) Cool anime about chess shougi: Shion no Ou. That's as close as you're going to get to what you want. |
| There is a really good episode of Sailor Moon about chess, otherwise, Hikaru no Go has a Shogi player in it. |
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ShaolinRibeiro said: For me, playing in tournaments as a kid and teenager are among my happiest memories in life. It was grueling, it was often mentally and psychologically painful, (concentrating for over 10 hours a day over 3 days as a 13 year-old is no fun) but holy shit, I absolutely loved the experience, and would do it all again tenfold in a heartbeat. Chess is demanding and stressful when studied and played on a serious level, moreso than most other games or sports, but for those that love it, there's nothing more awesome. As for your statement that it's not a "skill to be proud of", that's a surprisingly dumb statement coming from you. I'm not even saying it's incorrect, but it's exactly the same class of skills as baskeball, singing, dancing, Scrabble, etc.; utterly useless in just about every mainstream profession, but interesting for those who care about it. By your definition, the only "skills to be proud of" would be a small subset of the ones taught in high school and college. |
hikky said: I'm glad they were good memories for you... I just don't feel the same way. I liked it at first, but I improved really quickly and it started to be less and less enjoyable. I don't know about where you live nor how good you were, I grew up in the Bay Area and my rating was around 2050 when I stopped playing, in 2005, although I was quite a bit stronger at that point, but rarely played. By the way, disliking the game is neither unusual or bad; some of my friends that are 2400+ felt the same way upon reaching a sufficiently high level of play. At some point, it just became too much of a one-dimensional grind and not something that they wanted to pursue further, which is perfectly understandable. Personally, while I've been too busy with other things to study and play during college, it's still a wonderful game that I consider tremendously rewarding for myself. but in my tournament experience, you couldn't just be good and leave it at that. Other kids who were studying hard and taking lessons would try to send me on guilt trips because I didn't have a teacher and was still better than them. Their parents would talk their kids up before they played me and then I just became an executioner; after all, my rating was higher. Other kids who had played for much longer than me resented me for passing them up. Honestly, I've never experienced this. Maybe it was because I've only played in a few scholastic tournament, or because I mostly hung out with fellow, national top 50 junior players, but that was never the attitude any of us had. It was all about competing, having fun, and playing well. By the way, I never had a permanent, long-time coach, and neither did most people I played with. I've taken lessons with players ranging from 2100 strength to famous GMs, but never anything constant or permanent. Just meetings to overstep hurdles and pitfalls in my game that I wasn't seeing. I stopped playing in most scholastic tournaments after only a number of months because of those things, but adult tournaments weren't much better. People who have played and studied for 20 or 30 years unsurprisingly don't like losing to a 12 year old kid. Again, that is totally the opposite of my experience. Most adults were very nice and gracious towards me, even after being crushed, and even though I was an asshole kid that did a lot of Busch League shit, like banging the pieces and clock after an aggressive move. There were exceptions, but very few. hikky said: I would have gained a state scholastic champion title, but lost it on a blunder in a won position at the tail end of a 6 hour game. This part actually makes me raise both eyebrows, and possibly even think you're lying about the whole thing. I have never heard of a state scholastic tournament where games could go 6 hours. In both NorCal and SoCal, for instance, the maximum a game can go is 2.5 hours. At best, you're exaggerating. At worst, I question if anything you've written earlier is true. The reason I say it's a skill you can't be proud of is because the great bulk of people don't even understand what it means to be good at it. Not to mention that it's not really a respected skill, and even if you demonstrate to someone how much better you are than them, you only hurt their pride. People don't like to feel stupid. And as I've mentioned before, people who care about it aren't often very endearing in my experience either. The same can be said of being good at baseball in a country like Hungary, for example. Or being a wicked swing dancer while living in the Middle East. In some societies, among some people, it's not appreciated. Among others, including certain ones in the US, it is. How is this different than any skill aside from articulate command of a certain language, math, programming, and certain types of sciences? |
| shion no ou? its about shogi though |
| The problem with you people is that you take things to seriously. Really i played chess a lot when i was a kid and i only did it when i felt like it or for fun. I even went to a few tournaments just for the fun of it. There were some weirds kids there talking about strategies and staff and i was like wtf, they need to loosen up. If you acted like those kids no wonder you weren't having fun. hikky off course you will hate chess if someone like your family is forcing you to do it. Anything that others force us to do starts to get on our nerves. And i don't get this no one likes to lose thing. Off course everyone wants to win but what the hell. Did they start crying when they lost or something? I didn't give shit if they had a long face afterwards. I was even making fun of them. Hey what is a win if you don't make fun of that little geek that is so obsess. I lost quite a few times myself and although i would have prefer to win i don't think i ever did anything different than when i won. When you lose you lose, it's a game after all. Someone has to win. Heck i even lost games because they went too long and i was starting to getting bored. I don't even have any idea about rating and staff. Never cared actually. Games are just for fan people. Relax and enjoy them. And don't play them if you don't feel like it. By the way i think you can make an anime about chess. Saki is about some strange table game that i don't know. So why not for chess also. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting. |
Monad said: The problem with you people is that you take things to seriously. Really i played chess a lot when i was a kid and i only did it when i felt like it or for fun. Games are just for fan people. Relax and enjoy them. And don't play them if you don't feel like it. For some people, chess is just a game to "relax and have fun". For others, like myself, the whole fun is taking it seriously and wanting to improve. Really, you wouldn't tell a kid living on the streets of Brazil that "soccer is just a game", or a black kid in the inner city that "basketball is just a game to have fun and relax with", now would you? You would probably realize that your own shallow appreciation and limited interest in the pursuit does not make you morally superior to someone who is passionate about it, right? And that these people would laugh at your arrogance and false sense of superiority in making such a childish statement? Monad said: By the way i think you can make an anime about chess. Saki is about some strange table game that i don't know. So why not for chess also. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting. Okay; humor me. How would you make an anime about something as one-dimensional and abstruse as chess interesting? |
| I heard Code geass is great. |
ntHai said: StrikeBlue said: I heard Code geass is great. Yeah, it is. I take that back. |
ShaolinRibeiro said: hikky said: I'm glad they were good memories for you... I just don't feel the same way. I liked it at first, but I improved really quickly and it started to be less and less enjoyable. I don't know about where you live nor how good you were, I grew up in the Bay Area and my rating was around 2050 when I stopped playing, in 2005, although I was quite a bit stronger at that point, but rarely played. By the way, disliking the game is neither unusual or bad; some of my friends that are 2400+ felt the same way upon reaching a sufficiently high level of play. At some point, it just became too much of a one-dimensional grind and not something that they wanted to pursue further, which is perfectly understandable. Personally, while I've been too busy with other things to study and play during college, it's still a wonderful game that I consider tremendously rewarding for myself. but in my tournament experience, you couldn't just be good and leave it at that. Other kids who were studying hard and taking lessons would try to send me on guilt trips because I didn't have a teacher and was still better than them. Their parents would talk their kids up before they played me and then I just became an executioner; after all, my rating was higher. Other kids who had played for much longer than me resented me for passing them up. Honestly, I've never experienced this. Maybe it was because I've only played in a few scholastic tournament, or because I mostly hung out with fellow, national top 50 junior players, but that was never the attitude any of us had. It was all about competing, having fun, and playing well. By the way, I never had a permanent, long-time coach, and neither did most people I played with. I've taken lessons with players ranging from 2100 strength to famous GMs, but never anything constant or permanent. Just meetings to overstep hurdles and pitfalls in my game that I wasn't seeing. I stopped playing in most scholastic tournaments after only a number of months because of those things, but adult tournaments weren't much better. People who have played and studied for 20 or 30 years unsurprisingly don't like losing to a 12 year old kid. Again, that is totally the opposite of my experience. Most adults were very nice and gracious towards me, even after being crushed, and even though I was an asshole kid that did a lot of Busch League shit, like banging the pieces and clock after an aggressive move. There were exceptions, but very few. hikky said: I would have gained a state scholastic champion title, but lost it on a blunder in a won position at the tail end of a 6 hour game. This part actually makes me raise both eyebrows, and possibly even think you're lying about the whole thing. I have never heard of a state scholastic tournament where games could go 6 hours. In both NorCal and SoCal, for instance, the maximum a game can go is 2.5 hours. At best, you're exaggerating. At worst, I question if anything you've written earlier is true. The reason I say it's a skill you can't be proud of is because the great bulk of people don't even understand what it means to be good at it. Not to mention that it's not really a respected skill, and even if you demonstrate to someone how much better you are than them, you only hurt their pride. People don't like to feel stupid. And as I've mentioned before, people who care about it aren't often very endearing in my experience either. The same can be said of being good at baseball in a country like Hungary, for example. Or being a wicked swing dancer while living in the Middle East. In some societies, among some people, it's not appreciated. Among others, including certain ones in the US, it is. How is this different than any skill aside from articulate command of a certain language, math, programming, and certain types of sciences? Oh, if you were in California that would explain the difference. It wasn't quite the same here I imagine. Less tournaments and less people into it. If you had all those people around you I'm sure it was really motivating. Out here in a tournament besides championships, you'll get the odd master, an expert, and then some lower players with maybe 10 or 11 people total. The scholastic tournaments have lots of people, 100+ for a normal one, but I don't think any of them are very good. The good scholastic players only play in championships. Speaking of which, the one I was talking about was a closed championship. Maybe that doesn't really count as a title anyway. I imagine with a more popular environment and a broader spectrum of skill it would have been more enjoyable. There was one guy who was pretty cool and laid-back at first, although he started nagging me once I stopped improving as well. Every time I saw him after that, it became "What happened? I thought you'd be 2400 by now" or things like that. Funny to run into an expert on MAL, and it was ShaolinRibeiro nonetheless. I went from unrated-1700s in my first year and peaked just under1800 a little later at which point I became much less active, although I have a fairly good history against experts. So no, I wasn't anything too special strength-wise, but then again there's no way I would be having never really even studied (To this day I don't even know mainlines of the openings I play). I just played, I didn't have the motivation to study or take lessons. I knew I could have become good, but there were only a handful of people as competition and it didn't feel like it would mean anything to be good. And even if you get good here, you have to start playing national tournaments all the time to get anywhere beyond master really, something I couldn't afford. |
| woooottttt iWon at my first online chesS game haha iM cleva as fok! haha yeah..   bow down modafokaz k.O :D |
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| Code Geass R2: Aside from propaganda it spreads, the anime is based strictly on chess as some sees it. Generally, the guys try to remove the enemies with the least number of moves while maintaining a stronghold. Like chess, if you don't make a move, it will deem as a disadvantage in the long-run as that you will most likely lose the match because the opponent will definitely not waste any time in making one as that it benefits their position. This anime is so much like chess and there are actually chess matches throughout the anime, thus its a chess anime. Hikaru no Go: This anime isn't really about chess, its about shogi which is somewhat like chess but different. |
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xXDaijinkazeXx said: woooottttt iWon at my first online chesS game haha iM cleva as fok! haha yeah.. Funny thing is that he resigned right after you made a losing move (Basically the worst move you could have made). ... Eh, that's enough chess for me for quite a long while I think. |
Kira01 said: Code Geass R2: Aside from propaganda it spreads, the anime is based strictly on chess as some sees it. Generally, the guys try to remove the enemies with the least number of moves while maintaining a stronghold. Like chess, if you don't make a move, it will deem as a disadvantage in the long-run as that you will most likely lose the match because the opponent will definitely not waste any time in making one as that it benefits their position. This anime is so much like chess and there are actually chess matches throughout the anime, thus its a chess anime. Hikaru no Go: This anime isn't really about chess, its about shogi which is somewhat like chess but different. yeah iAgree, iWas starting to think the same thing recently but you don't see it at first and iWas asking for a live action you know what iMean to enjoy a show and learn too, and see da board and pieces XD iThink dat would be cool if they would make a kaiji serie about chess.. Btw iThink Code geass R2 is better than Death Note! hikky said: xXDaijinkazeXx said: woooottttt iWon at my first online chesS game haha iM cleva as fok! haha yeah.. Funny thing is that he resigned right after you made a losing move (Basically the worst move you could have made). ... Eh, that's enough chess for me for quite a long while I think. yeah you'r right iDon't know why he did dat but iWon anyway! on my first online ChesS game, there noting better than victory! :D iM a beginner in ChesS thou iLL become a pro someday! :D iWin at most things after training iBe stealing ur skillz and make it mine :D |
xXDaijinkazeXxJun 10, 2009 9:41 PM
StrikeBlue said: You are a wise man.I take that back. |
ShaolinRibeiro said: Monad said: By the way i think you can make an anime about chess. Saki is about some strange table game that i don't know. So why not for chess also. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting. Okay; humor me. How would you make an anime about something as one-dimensional and abstruse as chess interesting? In my opinion, i think it is possible to make a chess anime interesting. I mean, I may not know as much chess as you do, but i just learned how to play chess this january and on april i went to chess super nationals in the U1200 section and got into the top 50 with my team taking first place. between january and april i was completely overwhelmed by how interesting and fun chess was and it was all because my teacher showed me the Pirc. This may sound kinda anime nerd like, but in all the games i played in chess super nationals, it felt like i was in an anime myself, cuz its always like, "if he plays xe5, should i play nxe5 and then fianchetto my bishop? but what if he plays cxd5" and so on. but, i mean, if i can get sucked into the game for 4 hours, then i'm pretty sure viewers would get sucked into it to and find it interesting. but i think the only problem mangakas/anime makers would have is learning various openings and thinking out decisive games to show the viewers. the only people who i would expect to make a chess anime is a pro chess player working with the anime corporation or Obata Takeshi and Ohba Tsugumi |
ntHai said: I knew that this was going to be posted.StrikeBlue said: I heard Code geass is great. Yeah, it is. On to the main topic, chess can be adapted into a mindfuck Kaiji-esque anime, but the producers don't usually make things that won't attract a large croud. I don't think there will be one until everybody and their mothers are producing enough anime in a year to last a lifetime. |
sevenfoldgates said: Post I'm very happy to read that you enjoyed playing in a tournament. Doesn't really have anything to do with my question, though. Anyone who says "Kaiji" should realize that the games in that series were extremely simple, and took roughly 1 minute to explain to an audience member. A slightly modified version of Rock Papers Scissors and going across a narrow beam without falling off aren't the same as chess, a game that takes hundreds of hours of study merely to understand anything about, and thousands of hours to appreciate even the simplest elements of high-level play. |
ShaolinRibeiro said: sevenfoldgates said: Post I'm very happy to read that you enjoyed playing in a tournament. Doesn't really have anything to do with my question, though. Anyone who says "Kaiji" should realize that the games in that series were extremely simple, and took roughly 1 minute to explain to an audience member. A slightly modified version of Rock Papers Scissors and going across a narrow beam without falling off aren't the same as chess, a game that takes hundreds of hours of study merely to understand anything about, and thousands of hours to appreciate even the simplest elements of high-level play. I already told you that there is a game about a table game that looks very complicated. What is the difference? All you have to do is find a smart way to explain the rules in the first two episodes and for the anime not to get boring the script will have to mix interesting characters as chess players, some romance and other staff. It's not like because is a chess anime, it won't show anything else. And when they play you can make the game very exiting by listening to the thoughts of the players there friends explaining while they watch, and make it intense, with someone making a smart move and the other guy sweating while the other laughs saying some smart ass thing. Basically a little like Yu-ki-oh in that section of the anime. Even the game it self can make it look like a battlefield. Jesus just someone hire me already. People don't have imagination anymore. |
Monad said: I already told you that there is a game about a table game that looks very complicated. What? psgels said: I agree with Monad here. After all, Shion no Ou showed that it's possible to make a succesful anime about shougi, so why is chess suddenly impossible? Shougi is a minor backdrop to the anime, nothing more. The series is mystery fused with drama, focusing on its human characters, not the practice and study of a game. So fine; if you want to call any series that has chess pieces and a board a "chess anime"...sure, it's possible, and even been done by the abortion known as Code Geass. But if you're talking about a series with chess as its driving focal point, it's impossible. Note for the people who clearly don't understand much about chess; it's not like basketball or football, where one only needs to know the rules, and they can instantly appreciate what the good players do, even if they suck themselves. In chess, you learn the rules, and then study 30+ hours a week for several years just to reach a decent level of understanding of strong play. Doesn't sound like a great subject for a series that is meant to appeal to a wide audience, now does it? Edit- Hey, how about a "cool anime about quantum physics" or "cool anime about differential topology"? The former can feature the protagonist reading dozens of research papers, doing lengthy calculations, and precise labwork, and the latter studying textbooks, writing lengthy proofs, and spending hours on difficult problems. Sounds really fun for everyone, right? |
YoungVagabondJun 12, 2009 4:32 AM
| lol iDon't know wtf happend to them but they all give up! and iMa beginner in dat shit haha iActually won my second online chesS game wahahaha.. :D (there was like 12 minutes left, he was thinkin for like 3 minutes so iAsked him: are you there? and he resigned.. iLoled) (my flags erased private shit) ok iWon the 3rd game too, dis is a conspiracy! lol ( didn't upload this one cuz honestly iDon't know why he resigned, he was good but his nick was "i've many things to do" so iGuess dat was it! lmao) now 4th game (iHad to upload this) against an american, FOK IM DA SHIT she resigned afta iChew her queen! dat was a good game thou! |
xXDaijinkazeXxJun 12, 2009 5:11 PM
ShaolinRibeiro said: Monad said: I already told you that there is a game about a table game that looks very complicated. What? psgels said: I agree with Monad here. After all, Shion no Ou showed that it's possible to make a succesful anime about shougi, so why is chess suddenly impossible? Shougi is a minor backdrop to the anime, nothing more. The series is mystery fused with drama, focusing on its human characters, not the practice and study of a game. So fine; if you want to call any series that has chess pieces and a board a "chess anime"...sure, it's possible, and even been done by the abortion known as Code Geass. But if you're talking about a series with chess as its driving focal point, it's impossible. Note for the people who clearly don't understand much about chess; it's not like basketball or football, where one only needs to know the rules, and they can instantly appreciate what the good players do, even if they suck themselves. In chess, you learn the rules, and then study 30+ hours a week for several years just to reach a decent level of understanding of strong play. Doesn't sound like a great subject for a series that is meant to appeal to a wide audience, now does it? Edit- Hey, how about a "cool anime about quantum physics" or "cool anime about differential topology"? The former can feature the protagonist reading dozens of research papers, doing lengthy calculations, and precise labwork, and the latter studying textbooks, writing lengthy proofs, and spending hours on difficult problems. Sounds really fun for everyone, right? Sorry my bad there, i meant "anime about a table game" and i was referring to Saki. Just watch the first episode and you will see that they made exactly what you say it cannot be made. Now what you said about characters is stupid. Yes it will be about chess. Just because it shows the characters a little doesn't make it a not chess anime. It's not like Code Geass at all. Hajimme no Ippo is about boxing but it doesn't show matches in every episode. All anime about something have other elements to be interesting. It's an anime about chess not a live tournament to show matches 24/7. Even fighting shounen anime need a story and development of characters. If they were just showing some guys we don't know fighting in every episode it would be boring also. So to play decent chess you need 30 hour practice a week for years? Sorry but ether you are an idiot or you think that decent level is being grand master. The viewers don't have to be able to play with Kasparov to watch the anime you know. They will be able to hear the thoughts and the reasons a character made a move. So basically if they know the rules(that will be shown in the first two episodes and be repeated whenever there is a chance) even if they suck at chess they will still understand what is going on. And please don't compare a game no matter how ingeniously is made with quantum physics. If i have to know quantum physics to play chess then i would never be able to learn even how to move a pawn. Also from when is studying or writing theories compare to fights and battles. A chess board is a battlefield, that's why so many people love the game. In the aspect of competition is no different from any other shounen fighting anime. An anime about studying shit hasn't got such thing. By the way xXDaijinkazeXx. Three minutes and you ask if he was there? Are you playing fast chess with time limit or something? Because normally someone could be thinking his next move even for half an hour. |
MonadJun 13, 2009 8:15 AM
Monad said: By the way xXDaijinkazeXx. Three minutes and you ask if he was there? Are you playing fast chess with time limit or something? Because normally someone could be thinking his next move even for half an hour. yeah it is automatically set as 15 minutes chess game and he had more time left than iDid hehe but iPlayed a good move so he took much time than before so iThought he left or something so iAsked him, he just resigned.. shouldn't iSay wtf? LOL 4th game was more exciting thou.. |
xXDaijinkazeXxJun 12, 2009 6:50 PM
Monad said: Now what you said about charachters is stupid. The comedy just writes itself. I didn't write anything about "charachters", whatever the hell that is, or even "characters", for that matter. Read that post again. It's solely about the difficulty of presenting an intrinsically challenging, time intensive game like chess in a manner that a casual viewer, who could give a fuck less about all that, can understand and appreciate. Monad said: Yes it will be about chess. Just because it shows the charachters a little doesn't make it a not chess anime. It's not like Code Geass at all. Hajimme no Ippo is about boxing but it doesn't show matches in every episode. You're comparing a hypothetical anime about chess, which takes thousands of hours of practice and study to understand at a championship level, to an anime about BOXING, which even a four year old can understand a world championship match as punching the other guy before he punches you?! Monad said: So to play decent chess you need 30 hour practice a week for years? Sorry but ether you are an idiot or you think that decent level is being grand master. No, you're the idiot, who can't even read or spell, and I'm a former top 20 chess player for my age in the US, and a USCF rated expert. 30 hours is how much I practiced growing up (and was less than a lot of friends who were weaker players), and I never even made master, and am barely at a level to appreciate top-level games. So with that said, little kid, learn a bit more about chess, or better yet, basic reading comprehension and spelling, before you call everyone else a dumbass, and proclaim yourself King Shit of Turd Mountain. |
YoungVagabondJun 12, 2009 9:00 PM
ShaolinRibeiro said: Monad said: Now what you said about charachters is stupid. The comedy just writes itself. I didn't write anything about "charachters", whatever the hell that is, or even "characters", for that matter. Read that post again. It's solely about the difficulty of presenting an intrinsically challenging, time intensive game like chess in a manner that a casual viewer, who could give a fuck less about all that, can understand and appreciate. Monad said: Yes it will be about chess. Just because it shows the characters a little doesn't make it a not chess anime. It's not like Code Geass at all. Hajimme no Ippo is about boxing but it doesn't show matches in every episode. You're comparing a hypothetical anime about chess, which takes thousands of hours of practice and study to understand at a championship level, to an anime about BOXING, which even a four year old can understand a world championship match as punching the other guy before he punches you?! Monad said: So to play decent chess you need 30 hour practice a week for years? Sorry but ether you are an idiot or you think that decent level is being grand master. No, you're the idiot, who can't even read or spell, and I'm a former top 20 chess player for my age in the US, and a USCF rated expert. 30 hours is how much I practiced growing up (and was less than a lot of friends who were weaker players), and I never even made master, and am barely at a level to appreciate top-level games. So with that said, little kid, learn a bit more about chess, or better yet, basic reading comprehension and spelling, before you call everyone else a dumbass, and proclaim yourself King Shit of Turd Mountain. Except from being a grammar Nazi(by the way is not even my language, although the mistake was more because i was typing fast with out paying attention instead of i don't know how to write it), angry and attacking me(which i don't mind if you at least had answer to anything of the main arguments i made) there is nothing i can really give you as an answer since you just took some phrases and words out of my post so you can say your shit with out talking about the main subject here. If you want to answer me, answer on my full post and to all my arguments like i did to yours. Stop playing the politician. O! and congratulations on being one of the top 20 something but we really don't care about your inner depth knowledge of chess and how smart you are. I was only talking about enough to enjoy an anime about it. And the "little kid" is older than you, chess genius. xXDaijinkazeXx said: Monad said: By the way xXDaijinkazeXx. Three minutes and you ask if he was there? Are you playing fast chess with time limit or something? Because normally someone could be thinking his next move even for half an hour. yeah it is automatically set as 15 minutes chess game and he had more time left than iDid hehe but iPlayed a good move so he took much time than before so iThought he left or something so iAsked him, he just resigned.. shouldn't iSay wtf? LOL 4th game was more exciting thou.. O! good for you. I really can't play that fast chess thing. I wouldn't be able to play well with the time pressuring me, i like to play a nice more relaxing game with big strategies. |
MonadJun 12, 2009 11:20 PM
Monad said: Except from being a grammar Nazi(by the way is not even my language, although the mistake was more because i was typing fast with out paying attention instead of i don't know how to write it), It's not my language, either. I wasn't born or raised in the US. I wouldn't have pointed out your basic spelling error except that you called everyone who disagrees with you either stupid or "lacking imagination", pretty much the height of arrogance. If you're going to call others idiots, at least learn how to spell "character" first. Monad said: O! and congratulations on being one of the top 20 something but we really don't care about your inner depth knowledge of chess and how smart you are. I was only talking about enough to enjoy an anime about it. But that's the whole point! Despite being much stronger than most people at the game, I DON'T want to watch an anime about chess, and I'm BARELY GOOD ENOUGH to appreciate high-level play! Why make a series centered around something so few people understand? And enough of these comparisons to things like boxing, street racing, limited rock papers scissors (Kaiji), and anything else that can be appreciated at a high level in a matter of minutes, not years. Monad said: If you want to answer me, answer on my full post and to all my arguments like i did to yours. Stop playing the politician. Okay; do you realize that my analogy was quantitatively accurate, considering that there actually MORE people who understand quantum physics than can easily understand a game by Vladimir Kramnik? Explanations for moves are not simple, or something that can come across well in a medium like anime. They're BORING, especially for those who don't play, and involve reams and reams of LONG variations stacked one on top of the other, with an ensuing position that can only be accurately judged as being better for one side or the other by someone with thousands of hours of play and study? Doesn't sound very exciting or appealing to a wider demographic, now does it? |
| Meh, there's probably not a real point to arguing, ShaolinRibeiro, this is what I was saying about people with no clue really thinking they know what they're talking about. It takes someone who's had all or a lot of that practice to even appreciate the results of that practice. |
hikky said: Meh, there's probably not a real point to arguing, ShaolinRibeiro, this is what I was saying about people with no clue really thinking they know what they're talking about. It takes someone who's had all or a lot of that practice to even appreciate the results of that practice. Yeah, I know; that's where the disconnect in comprehension occurs. Although I was hoping someone would at least mention "Akagi", since that's probably the closest to what they're suggesting. Of course, I doubt how many would then understand my explanation of the differences between life-and-death games of Mahjong predicated upon reading the opponent's mind and the what goes on in chess... |
ShaolinRibeiro said: hikky said: Meh, there's probably not a real point to arguing, ShaolinRibeiro, this is what I was saying about people with no clue really thinking they know what they're talking about. It takes someone who's had all or a lot of that practice to even appreciate the results of that practice. Yeah, I know; that's where the disconnect in comprehension occurs. Although I was hoping someone would at least mention "Akagi", since that's probably the closest to what they're suggesting. Of course, I doubt how many would then understand my explanation of the differences between life-and-death games of Mahjong predicated upon reading the opponent's mind and the what goes on in chess... I remember watching akagi before I really knew how to play Mahjong, and it was all lost on me. Still have to rewatch that since I've played off and on for a while know, though I'm just at a slightly above-average amateur level. And I think it really would be different in chess, since the cheating and luck aspects completely vanish, and it's just all raw strategy. I know what you're saying, it would be really tedious going over every line and whatnot while trying to be entertaining. There are plenty of online video lectures for that, if casual players were even interested to that point. I think to even make it work would require an utterly simplistic approach to the game and strategy in general. Would probably be a joke to anyone who knew what they were doing. |
hikky said: I remember watching akagi before I really knew how to play Mahjong, and it was all lost on me. Still have to rewatch that since I've played off and on for a while know, though I'm just at a slightly above-average amateur level. And I think it really would be different in chess, since the cheating and luck aspects completely vanish, and it's just all raw strategy. I know what you're saying, it would be really tedious going over every line and whatnot while trying to be entertaining. There are plenty of online video lectures for that, if casual players were even interested to that point. I think to even make it work would require an utterly simplistic approach to the game and strategy in general. Would probably be a joke to anyone who knew what they were doing. Exactly; it would be too specialized and tedious for people not familiar with the game, and too blatantly incorrect for those that are, satisfying no one. |
Saito-sama said: Code Geass is one big metaphor for chess wahahaha No.... no, it's not. T_T I cringed when I saw this. By the way, as far as I know the only thing close is a Chinese (collaboration) "anime" called Chess Master or some such thing. |
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ShaolinRibeiro said: It's not my language, either. I wasn't born or raised in the US. I wouldn't have pointed out your basic spelling error except that you called everyone who disagrees with you either stupid or "lacking imagination", pretty much the height of arrogance. If you're going to call others idiots, at least learn how to spell "character" first. Hmmm?  ShaolinRibeiro said: I grew up in the Bay Area  I wonder what else you have been lying about? And i didn't call you stupid or an idiot. I said what you said was stupid. Even smart people can say something stupid, it's not the same. I thought you were paying attention to the details of my English. Also i said "ether you are an idiot or you think that decent level is being grand master". Why you chose to take the idiot choice when you obviously seem to think the second, is beyond me.  ShaolinRibeiro said: But that's the whole point! Despite being much stronger than most people at the game, I DON'T want to watch an anime about chess, and I'm BARELY GOOD ENOUGH to appreciate high-level play! Why make a series centered around something so few people understand? And enough of these comparisons to things like boxing, street racing, limited rock papers scissors (Kaiji), and anything else that can be appreciated at a high level in a matter of minutes, not years. Okay; do you realize that my analogy was quantitatively accurate, considering that there actually MORE people who understand quantum physics than can easily understand a game by Vladimir Kramnik? Explanations for moves are not simple, or something that can come across well in a medium like anime. They're BORING, especially for those who don't play, and involve reams and reams of LONG variations stacked one on top of the other, with an ensuing position that can only be accurately judged as being better for one side or the other by someone with thousands of hours of play and study? Doesn't sound very exciting or appealing to a wider demographic, now does it? Ok there is no point in talking about it anymore. I believe a game that you can learn from 7 years old is not nuclear physics. Obviously you think it is. And i was talking about making an anime, not show the best games ever played nether topping the charts in world TV viewers in frond of Naruto and One Piece. |
MonadJun 13, 2009 5:22 AM
Monad said: wonder what else you have been lying about? Great work, Detective Monad; I lived and grew up the first 8 years of my life in Moscow, and then spent the next 10 years in the Bay Area. On a related note, there's no way you can be older than 13 years old. I refuse to believe it. |
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