| i think it's possible, with all this hype building up. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Yes. |
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| This doesn't need to be asked. OBVIOUSLY~ |
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xardde said: I think that FSN's plot is a lot better than FZ. What are your opinions? no because being highly rated has nothing to do with plot. Clannad is currently #3. This anime doesnt have Urobuchi and as such will be panned by the mal fanbase. |
killslash said: Personally, I doubt I will rate it higher than F/Z just because I like that characters in F/Z so much more than than the ones based on the VN. I didn't like the standard Harem, didn't like how almost every master was a kid. >harem PFFFFT, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, you're serious. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT Why. EDIT: ofuk looks like i feel for some bait somehow |
VerchanOct 7, 2014 5:48 PM
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killslash said: Congrats for your first post.Personally, I doubt I will rate it higher than F/Z just because I like that characters in F/Z so much more than than the ones based on the VN. I didn't like the standard Harem, didn't like how almost every master was a kid. Felt too standard anime-ish/VNish. There were points where I felt like I was watching someone play a VN, not watching an actual anime. I could almost see the dialogue box in some scenes. Maybe this anime will change that feeling, but I highly doubt it. |
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| 6/10 good attempt |
| Fate stay nights story is better than zeros, so yes as long as the adaptation is done well |
| Very likely. As others have mentioned, F/SN has a stronger story than F/Z. UBW route is also stronger than the Fate route the old F/SN anime adapted. The difference between UBW and Fate is similar to the difference between Full Metal Alchemist and Brotherhood. |
Rinth said: It tried to adapt it, and failed. Also it's not even rated an 8.00 so that's not setting the bar too high..Very likely. As others have mentioned, F/SN has a stronger story than F/Z. UBW route is also stronger than the Fate route the old F/SN anime adapted. Rinth said: Oh boy...The difference between UBW and Fate is similar to the difference between Full Metal Alchemist and Brotherhood. This can't end well. |
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| We should just leave it for Fai. He'll probably tear the poor guy a new one |
| DEEN FSN everybody. |
| Yup totally agree. FSN is indeed a harem. I personally enjoyed F/Z waaay much more story-wise that FSN. Probably younger audience tend to like FSN more older audience F/Z more since the protagonists in the tow shows are of those respective age groups. |
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| Personally, I'll take Fate/Stay Night over Fate/Zero. I don't think it has anything to do with age whatsoever. F/SN just simply has a lot of versatility and it definitely has a lot more to it than meets the eye. F/Z is great, and it fulfills its role perfectly. However, F/SN develops into something more special overall. The two series' only benefit each other at the end of the day anyway. Preference definitely plays a factor, but one needs to look at the bigger picture before generalizing. |
Kayaba-Oct 7, 2014 6:55 PM
killslash said: Not a bait. FS/N is a harem. One teenage boy and girls keep showing up to live in his house to live. No real male friends to be seen. On the off chance that you are somehow genuinely this deluded and not baiting, let me facepalm again. In anime, the term "harem" is generally used to describe a genre where multiple girls are after the same guy romantically. Fun fact; just because there's a lot of girls does not mean it's automatically a harem. The only girl who is in love with Shirou in every scenario is Sakura. Otherwise, he has to work to focus and get together with the respective love interest of the route. asckj1 said: Yup totally agree. FSN is indeed a harem. I personally enjoyed F/Z waaay much more story-wise that FSN. Probably younger audience tend to like FSN more older audience F/Z more since the protagonists in the tow shows are of those respective age groups. Now this is definitely bait. By the way, F/SN is darker than F/Z. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| While F/SN does revolve around girls to a certain extent, calling it a harem is a bit much imo. At least in a more traditional sense, where romance is the main focus of the story. The novel has a different girl in the spotlight in each route, yes... but you guys are talking about it like it's a freaking dating sim (nothing against them though). lol |
killslash said: Personally, I doubt I will rate it higher than F/Z just because I like that characters in F/Z so much more than than the ones based on the VN. I didn't like the standard Harem, didn't like how almost every master was a kid. Felt too standard anime-ish/VNish. There were points where I felt like I was watching someone play a VN, not watching an actual anime. I could almost see the dialogue box in some scenes. Maybe this anime will change that feeling, but I highly doubt it. Um, you do know that Kiritsugu technically also had a "harem" right? Iri, Maiya, Natalia and Shirley IIRC. |
| Fate/Stay Night wins for me due to having more depth, more endearing and interesting characters, and Grail War participants who have more complex motivations behind their desire to win. Fate/Zero may have had more mature characters, but I didn't feel that there was much depth behind the reasons that they were fighting. I say this as someone who was introduced to Fate through Fate/Zero and REALLY loved it (even the first episode and Grail Dialogue episode weren't boring at all to me). |
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killslash said: Are you crazy? I watched both back to back. F/SN is like almost childrens cartoon compared to F/Z. Main hero doesn't want to kill anyone. He doesn't kill anyone personally. Girls that are supposed to be his enemies just join his harem. The one scene where Kiritsugu cold blooded tricks Kayneth and has him murdered is darker than the entirety of F/SN anime. Seems like you define "bait" as "a statement that doesn't like what I like" You're basing your comparison off of the anime which the Fate fandom has denounced as being a horrible adaptation that butchered the story and characterization. Your opponents were talking about the story as presented in the visual novel. Therefore, you really don't know what you're talking about. Come back after you actually read the source material. |
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killslash said: NemeanLion said: Um, you do know that Kiritsugu technically also had a "harem" right? Iri, Maiya, Natalia and Shirley IIRC. If he was the sole main character in the story, sure. There is a lot of focus on many different characters. The style of the relationships are drastically different as well, with him being behind the scenes most of the time. I gathered that. The way you worded it made it sound like harem=bad even though you don't take issue with it in Fate/Zero. |
killslash said: This entire discussion have been about the anime. Oh, okay. I get it now. It's not that you pretended to know what you were talking about. You just genuinely didn't know any better. Gotcha. You secondaries keep evolving that it gets weird as the days go by. They don't have to be all actively pursuing the male lead. Yeah they do. That's the whole point of being a harem; all the girls actively like the guy at the same time. That would defeat the purpose of gradually developing a relationship with a girl in a VN. You may as well say Steins;Gate is a harem too. That's not how it works. |
VerchanOct 7, 2014 8:25 PM
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| Killslash, in case you haven't realized there are people on the forums who have NOT watched F/Z. Please be more careful and use spoiler tags! (at least when you talk about specific scenes) PriestJabon said: Yeah they do. That's the whole point of being a harem; all the girls actively like the guy at the same time. That would defeat the purpose of gradually developing a relationship with a girl in a VN. You may as well say Steins;Gate is a harem too. That's not how it works. While I didn't actually say it, this is the exact example that came to my mind when I read the harem comments. Steins;Gate allows you to get into a relationship with several characters, but calling it a harem would be pretty nonsensical. |
FlamepriesTOct 7, 2014 8:35 PM
PriestJabon said: killslash said: This entire discussion have been about the anime. Oh, okay. I get it now. It's not that you pretended to know what you were talking about. You just genuinely didn't know any better. Gotcha. You secondaries keep evolving that it gets weird as the days go by. They don't have to be all actively pursuing the male lead. Yeah they do. That's the whole point of being a harem; all the girls actively like the guy at the same time. That would defeat the purpose of gradually developing a relationship with a girl in a VN. You may as well say Steins;Gate is a harem too. That's not how it works. I'm not sure how one can go on to a forum dominated by Fate fans and not realize that any discussions about F/SN's plot will refer to the source material unless made explicit otherwise... |
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killslash said: The topic referring to the ratings of the anime not specific enough? In all my discussions I have been referring to the anime. I even specifically state the anime in my post. Please take the VN/LN out of discussions when the topic is about the animes. How can you discuss something you don't understand? You have the wrong idea about F/SN because your source is flawed. Deal with it. EDIT: You still haven't fixed the F/Z spoiler in your previous post. Is it too much to ask people to use spoiler tags? Seriously... that's even worse than going around saying you should watch F/Z first without having played the novel... |
FlamepriesTOct 7, 2014 8:46 PM
killslash said: Personally, I doubt I will rate it higher than F/Z just because I like that characters in F/Z so much more than than the ones based on the VN. I didn't like the standard Harem, didn't like how almost every master was a kid. Felt too standard anime-ish/VNish. There were points where I felt like I was watching someone play a VN, not watching an actual anime. I could almost see the dialogue box in some scenes. Maybe this anime will change that feeling, but I highly doubt it. Your opinion on this anime and your prospects of liking it, an anime whose only episode thus far has proven to be VERY faithful to the source material, was based off of your preconceived notions on a different anime that the fandom has denounced. Because of how faithful this anime has been far, you basically came off as attacking F/SN as a whole. Of course later you mention the anime, but the other statement still stood and you were attacked as a result. Even when it was obvious that your opponents were talking about the VN, you just continued attacking them using the DEEN anime as your basis and furthered the misunderstanding rather than stop to clarify things... PriestJabon said F/SN was darker than F/Z, it's obvious he's talking about the VN, yet you countered him using the anime, giving the impression that you didn't know what you were talking about. And besides, the OP only said "plot", not anime vs anime. Everyone in this community knows that it means the source material's plot (which for now is synonymous with this anime's plot due to it being faithful). So yeah that's where the dissonance in this conversation came in =p I agree that the DEEN anime is vastly inferior to Fate/Zero, but it's ludicrous to use it as the basis of your opinion for this anime when this one appears to be faithful while the other one wasn't, and in the process come off as really ignorant. That's all I have to say and won't argue with you any longer. |
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killslash said: PriestJabon said: They don't have to be all actively pursuing the male lead. Yeah they do. That's the whole point of being a harem; all the girls actively like the guy at the same time. That would defeat the purpose of gradually developing a relationship with a girl in a VN. You may as well say Steins;Gate is a harem too. That's not how it works. killslash said: Steins gate has at least one other male character, and is kind of harem-ish. But not really, it doesn't really fit. The FS/N anime tone, music, and style all feel very standard harem. I pulled that definition off wikipedia. It's very ambiguously defined, and in my opinion the original 2006 FS/N anime is very haremy. F/SN has more male characters than Steins;Gate does and I would say they all contributed to the story more than S;G's supporting male characters did. If we were to define harem in the context of anime as just "girls all want MC romantically," then even then, 2006 F/SN wouldn't really be a harem, even if it came off to you as a show that felt like one. The fact remains that only Saber (and possibly Sakura) wanted Shirou romantically, and everyone else maintained a platonic relationship with him, and just so happened to be females. FlameseeK said: killslash said: How can you discuss something you don't understand? You have the wrong idea about F/SN because your source is flawed. Deal with it. I am not discussing something I don't understand, because I am not discussing the VN. Even so, the way you word your statements, even if you did supposedly claim to just be talking about the anime, makes you come off to some as someone who seems like they're talking about the VN and/or someone who is trying to argue marine biology using a Geometry book. |
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| Thanks for fixing it. killslash said: I am not discussing something I don't understand, because I am not discussing the VN. That's exactly the problem. You're basing your argument on a poor adaptation which nobody cares for and assuming that the new adaptation will be equivalent. You can criticize Deen's adaptation all you want, but don't use it as a basis to justify how UBW will be most likely worse than F/Z. Anyone will choose F/Z over Deen's F/SN, even those who read the F/SN vn and think it's better than F/Z. killslash said: FlameseeK said: that's even worse than going around saying you should watch F/Z first without having played the novel... If someone has no interest in reading it, watching F/Z first works if you get a few sentence explanation of the , which is not explained in FS/N anime anyway It's more like if someone has ANY interest in watching UBW and HF, they should avoid F/Z. Watching or reading F/SN is not a requirement to enjoy F/Z. The problem is that F/Z spoils several twists that take place in F/SN. |
killslash said: Most of my original post were about the characters being kids, the main male lead being surrounded by women, and the anime feeling like I was watching a VN being played rather than watching an anime. I assume in the VN the main lead is still a kid, is still surrounded by women who all end up living with him, there are no main male characters other than the protagonist, and the characters are all the same (gender/age wise)? If those are true then I still doubt I will enjoy this new anime better than F/Z anime. As long as it is loads better than Deen I will watch it and probably enjoy it, but I simply enjoy the overall setting of FZ compared to the original. Lol, I think you don't know anything about UBW... There are 2 main male chars and 2 main female chars. It's all about 2 main male chars struggle with each other. There are romance but it's just a subplot in this route. And there is no harem. |
| There's a pretty good gender balance in the story when you take both masters and servants into account. UBW actually gets pretty serious/hopeless at one point. And judging from how light-hearted you're expecting the series to be... you're definitely in for a treat when HF comes out. |
FlameseeK said: There's a pretty good gender balance in the story when you take both masters and servants into account. UBW actually gets pretty serious/hopeless at one point. And judging from how light-hearted you're expecting the series to be... you're definitely in for a treat when HF comes out. I don't recall UBW being not serious at any point. :S HF 's first half is pretty light-hearted I must say. All gores happened after "that twist". |
chickenonthepan said: I don't recall UBW being not serious at any point. :S HF 's first half is pretty light-hearted I must say. All gores happened after "that twist". UBW gets "pretty serious" with As for HF, I don't recall much about the beginning, but it eventually becomes darker than anything else in the series. The reveals were particularly very interesting. |
| Kuroko no Basket is ranked higher than Fate/Zero (only talking about their first seasons since the scores of sequels are almost always inflated). F/SN will do fine. |
JunePriest said: I'd say that HF's tone is rather noticeably darker and melancholic from the get-go really and I say this because of stuff like Hmm, I have trouble feeling that then. I feel it's the same with The lengthy cooking scenes may have distracted me. I don't deny the tone after the twist though. |
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