| Character chart for Clarus_Nox's second companion below. I would like opinions on this. Ione |
| i guess everyone is offline... |
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Clarus_Nox said: i guess everyone is offline... Except for me--Because finding people to troll/be an asshole to justice never sleeps. |
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| Magic: near mastery over Electromancy with some skill in Aeromancy wtf, no?! How do you come to that? Monstergirl said: Thunderbird: ... A type of harpy that carries the mighty power of lightning within. They have the power to generate magical lightning within their body and discharge it at prey. ... The human body is not harmed by this lightning, but if struck a powerfully intense shocking pleasure rushes through the body, and the body is paralyzed by the magnitude of pleasure, rendering a person unable to move. This is not electromancy. This is more or less like a special similar to the fireball of a dragon. It doesnt hurt, but may be able to affect other monstergirls just slightly. Because "prey" in the definition of the MGE always depicts humans. Soundless movement? She is not an owl, if she wants to move soundlessly, she'd have at least about 10 at agility (which also includes speed). Aeromancy Erm, lets make it short. No. Reason: She isn't able to do aeromancy. Master Tacttion What does this mean for you? What do you intent to do with it? |
| alright then time to change companion |
Clarus_NoxJun 29, 2014 3:15 PM
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| how's this? |
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| Master Tactition (let me know if i cant have this) - Still dont know what you mean with this and what do you intent to do with it? Where did she learn that? Educated - How did she get educated, what does she know? |
| Ok here a small hint: The chart is of course the FINAL form that your companions will have (her stats, her skills etc) so if you KNOW how they will be able to achieve the traits and stats etc, then okay. But if you dont know how she is able to get "master tactitian" or how she got "educated" then she doesnt have this. Hope this clears up some things |
| tactician as in strategist as in she has studied a lot very book smart and no that actually makes it even more confusing |
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| FINAL ... meaning in the companion when she's in her prime. meaning at some point in your story and not from the start. so where and how did she study a lot in the books? and what do you want to do with it? |
| ok i get the stats are for prime but are you saying she can't highly intelligent before meeting me? |
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Clarus_Nox said: ok i get the stats are for prime but are you saying she can't highly intelligent before meeting me? well, she can. 5 is pretty intelligent yeah. But then you need a good background for it ^^ |
| Su is just telling you to give us a description as to how or why she has any preexisting traits, though most of her stats are kind of end game stats. Her characteristics need information to back it up. |
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greatgreenman said: Su is just telling you to give us a description as to how or why she has any preexisting traits, though most of her stats are kind of end game stats. Her characteristics need information to back it up. yeah, thanks for that xD |
| what kind of background? i don't really plan to bring up past much for my story, neither of the girls like talking bout their past. the reasons will come up later but not for a while. |
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Clarus_Nox said: what kind of background? i don't really plan to bring up past much for my story, neither of the girls like talking bout their past. the reasons will come up later but not for a while. I dont even know what to say to this xD when the reasons will come up later, then there must be a reason. and this is what i wanna know. you can also PM this to not spoil anyone, but you cant just have something just because. |
| I'm not sure I understand the problem with the educated. I know at least beast and tyger have educated for their companions. Course I can't remember if they gave an explanation on their education when they asked for it in the card thread. The master tactition though raises some eyebrows, since it implies the ability to lead an army. I can understand if you want to imply that she is smart and can quickly form a plan but a master tactition given her young age would be a bit hard to swallow. However, there are some interesting possible back grounds for why she is educated and an excellent tactition. As for the silent flight, and this is just my opinion, but I think that would fit more with special than agility since one does not need to be fast to be silent. But this topic does bring up an interesting thought. Since harpy's usually don't specify what kind of bird they are based on, would a harpy be able to have an owl as it's bird part or would that have to be a different type of monster girl for the honorary monster girl competition? |
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dcw2021 said: I'm not sure I understand the problem with the educated. I know at least beast and tyger have educated for their companions. Course I can't remember if they gave an explanation on their education when they asked for it in the card thread. The master tactition though raises some eyebrows, since it implies the ability to lead an army. I can understand if you want to imply that she is smart and can quickly form a plan but a master tactition given her young age would be a bit hard to swallow. However, there are some interesting possible back grounds for why she is educated and an excellent tactition. As for the silent flight, and this is just my opinion, but I think that would fit more with special than agility since one does not need to be fast to be silent. But this topic does bring up an interesting thought. Since harpy's usually don't specify what kind of bird they are based on, would a harpy be able to have an owl as it's bird part or would that have to be a different type of monster girl for the honorary monster girl competition? How could you forget Octavia? |
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dcw2021 said: As for the silent flight, and this is just my opinion, but I think that would fit more with special than agility since one does not need to be fast to be silent. But this topic does bring up an interesting thought. Since harpy's usually don't specify what kind of bird they are based on, would a harpy be able to have an owl as it's bird part or would that have to be a different type of monster girl for the honorary monster girl competition? The special in this case is regarding her electricity and agility has been the stat egarding flight and/or speed. If there would be an Owl-type-Harpy-girl then this would have to be covered by the Honorary Monstergirl. |
| why is everyone using owls as basis for silent flyers? owl's make fairly audible flapping sounds when they take off, they aren't anymore silent than any other bird silence comes from better aerodynamics |
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Clarus_Nox said: why is everyone using owls as basis for silent flyers? owl's make fairly audible flapping sounds when they take off, they aren't anymore silent than any other bird silence comes from better aerodynamics Not really. Check this out bro/sis. |
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KamikadzeTM said: I was nagging tyger twice to give me the Gray Garden's complete info(location and latest description) but got nothin'. Yeah, I really do need to get on that. In my defense, I have been scrambling on projects for publication of late. I just got one story off to the publisher last night, I'm still waiting for word on another, and I have major revisions for a third in the works. Plus I had to rush to finish a story for a workshop a couple of weeks ago. All this in addition to having a full-time job. So, yeah, I have been rather busy. |
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Clarus_Nox said: how's this? Even though intelligence 5 suggest that she is a genius (average is 2) I doesn't have a problem with that. Some mamono are expected to be intelligent by their nature. Other can be exceptional and simply born as such without little effort from their side. Educated is (or isn't supposed to be) overpowered trait as it simply suggests a good overal knowledge about the island and works perfectly with intelligent characters. Educated isn't Omniscient! Or doesn't suppose to be. However Master Tactician sounds fishy as it is something implying to be military commander while she is too young to achieve any high rank plus another important trait like completely silent trait is added. |
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chimechu said: Character chart for Clarus_Nox's second companion below. I would like opinions on this. Ione Looks OK to me except for: She has a grace about her that grants her near soundless movement that somehow expands to her magic producing silent lighting Silent flight occurs in birds for only two reasons 1) The bird in question isn't actually silent, but is small enough that the sound of its flight is inaudible over normal background sounds -- doesn't apply to anything as big as a Thunderbird, or 2) Special feathers that dampen sound, and those are only found in owls. In neither case does grace come into the picture. I can see the latter as a feature of owl-like Harpies, but the source myth portrays Thunderbirds as eagles. As for silent lightning, I'd say that's a big no. A skilled aeromancer might be able to dampen (but never completely silence) the sound of lightning, but it would be both difficult and energy intensive. If it were up to me I'd say no to this one. |
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dcw2021 said: I'm not sure I understand the problem with the educated. I know at least beast and tyger have educated for their companions. Indeed. In my case I explained it in-story; Aneksi and Beset were both temple-trained, albeit on different tracks. I would suggest, Nox, that you have in-story reasons for your companions' traits. And while the readers should have to read the story to discover those reasons, the GMs are justified in asking about them beforehand. The master tactition though raises some eyebrows, since it implies the ability to lead an army. This is precisely why this trait bothers me. I could see it in one of the MG types that is both militaristic and numerous enough have armies (Lizardman and Salamander immediately spring to mind, but it's reasonable for Dwarves, too), but Thunderbirds are too rare and Harpies aren't generally frontline combatants. Since harpy's usually don't specify what kind of bird they are based on, would a harpy be able to have an owl as it's bird part That seems perfectly reasonable to me. |
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Clarus_Nox said: owl's make fairly audible flapping sounds when they take off, they aren't anymore silent than any other bird silence comes from better aerodynamics Not so. Owls' wingbeats are nearly silent, and it's not due to aerodynamics. They have specialized feathers that dampen the sound of their wingbeats. I myself have been within 20 feet/6 meters of a Great Gray Owl when it took off, and it was almost completely silent at that distance. Mind you, this is a bird with a 4-foot/1.4 meter wingspan. |
| "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling |
| It's interesting to note that in movies and such, the sound effects guy usually adds sounds according to what the audience psychologically expects. This means loud sounds to owl flapping, electric cars and hybrid cars moving at very low speeds that should only engage the electric engine somehow still sounding like a gas car, sound in space, etc. |
YummyLunches said: It's interesting to note that in movies and such, the sound effects guy usually adds sounds according to what the audience psychologically expects. This means loud sounds to owl flapping, electric cars and hybrid cars moving at very low speeds that should only engage the electric engine somehow still sounding like a gas car, sound in space, etc. I'm actually ashamed to admit I was under similar influence in regards to an owl's wings. That's rather unlike me as I've studied a lot of animals intently for various reports and prep work for a vet career. Guess I've never actually studied an owl now that i think about it. |
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YummyLunches said: It's interesting to note that in movies and such, the sound effects guy usually adds sounds according to what the audience psychologically expects. It gladdens my heart that someone else noticed this. It's not just sound effects, either. Think about all the SF movies you've watched. How many of them had explosions? And how many of those explosions had flames... in space? To make this relevant to the MSG, we should consider that the island doesn't run on RL physics (if it did, MG biology would be impossible). It runs partly on fantasy physics and partly on narrative causality. This means that things only work according to RL physics when doing so either isn't relevant to the story or would make for a better story. On Owl Harpies: Keeping in mind that Su has the final say on this, I don't think that Harpies with traits of different birds require separate MG types. The source myth has Harpies as part-woman/part-vulture, but the MGE write-up treats them as generic woman-bird hybrids. Assuming that the songbird traits all go to Sirens and the crow traits all go to Crow Tengu, I can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Now, if you wanted to do a dove Harpy that radiated an aura of peace, that's a new MG type. |
tygertygerJul 1, 2014 4:09 AM
| "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling |
| Don't forget that Owl harpies might be super flexible--that special 270-degree neck rotation (or however much it actually is...it's been a long time since I studied owls...) should totally apply to more than just their necks =P |
tygertyger said: On Owl Harpies: Keeping in mind that Su has the final say on this, I don't think that Harpies with traits of different birds require separate MG types. The source myth has Harpies as part-woman/part-vulture, but the MGE write-up treats them as generic woman-bird hybrids. Assuming that the songbird traits all go to Sirens and the crow traits all go to Crow Tengu, I can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Now, if you wanted to do a dove Harpy that radiated an aura of peace, that's a new MG type. hmm could this be applied to various species of canines and felines as well? and oh god the endless species of fish |
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tygertyger said: I'm going to assume you mean this in a sense similar to how many races in D&D also have subraces? I can definitely see the use of having a choice of subrace for generic MGs like the harpyI can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Clarus_Nox said: It could. Personally though, I don't see the point for the werewolf, I find both the werecat and nekomata to be quite obviously based on domestic cats, and you could make your mermaid a tuna-mermaid but I don't really se the point in that.hmm could this be applied to various species of canines and felines as well? and oh god the endless species of fish |
Clarus_Nox said: It could. Personally though, I don't see the point for the werewolf, I find both the werecat and nekomata to be quite obviously based on domestic cats, and you could make your mermaid a tuna-mermaid but I don't really se the point in that.[/quote]hmm could this be applied to various species of canines and felines as well? and oh god the endless species of fish This isn't exactly too new a thing; If I remember correctly I'm pretty sure that both me and tyger hinted that the desert-region Inari are modeled after Fennec foxes... |
PantsMan said: A werecat could theoretically look like a tiger but that wouldn't make her one, and hints are not general consensus or established rule. This isn't exactly too new a thing; If I remember correctly I'm pretty sure that both me and tyger hinted that the desert-region Inari are modeled after Fennec foxes... While a population in a specific region having developed differently (like the fennec Inari for example) makes perfect sense to me, the subspecies/ethnicities need to be moderated if they are going to be used for companions. |
PantsMan said: This isn't exactly too new a thing; If I remember correctly I'm pretty sure that both me and tyger hinted that the desert-region Inari are modeled after Fennec foxes... I didn't touch on Inari much in my story, but I made a point of describing a desert Arachne as being more like a tarantula than a Black Widow. I also described sobeket as being brown (like desert skinks) rather than the usual green associated with Lizardmen. So, yeah, I'm a big proponent of subraces within the MG types. They should only need moderation if the changes are more than cosmetic, though, as per the current rules. The examples of Harpy types that I provided earlier would require moderation. |
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tygertyger said: I can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Now, if you wanted to do a dove Harpy that radiated an aura of peace, that's a new MG type. Totally all for this, it would be a waste to go through the effort of HMGC just to give rise to different ethnic varieties of the same species unless that individual possessed specific traits completely different than any others, like the thunderbird or Phoenix (dove sounds interesting though). It should possibly hold true for other species (not the werecat/nekomata as they're cats, how much deeper you going to go?) But an Inu could be an ethnic variety of the werewolf, being less ragged/feral and trending towards a domestic type MG like you see with the holstaurus. I based Scarlett on being more Inu than Werewolf but she is part of the Werewolf pack either way. I think as long as we don't go crazy in specific abilities of the MG varients and focus more on physical appearances then it shouldn't matter in the end. (I don't think visual capabilities or flight ranges/speeds are that crazy for harpies) |
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greatgreenman said: tygertyger said: I can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Now, if you wanted to do a dove Harpy that radiated an aura of peace, that's a new MG type. Totally all for this, it would be a waste to go through the effort of HMGC just to give rise to different ethnic varieties of the same species unless that individual possessed specific traits completely different than any others, like the thunderbird or Phoenix (dove sounds interesting though). It should possibly hold true for other species (not the werecat/nekomata as they're cats, how much deeper you going to go?) But an Inu could be an ethnic variety of the werewolf, being less ragged/feral and trending towards a domestic type MG like you see with the holstaurus. I based Scarlett on being more Inu than Werewolf but she is part of the Werewolf pack either way. I think as long as we don't go crazy in specific abilities of the MG varients and focus more on physical appearances then it shouldn't matter in the end. (I don't think visual capabilities or flight ranges/speeds are that crazy for harpies) Yeah sounds good. |
chimechu said: tygertyger said: I'm going to assume you mean this in a sense similar to how many races in D&D also have subraces? I can definitely see the use of having a choice of subrace for generic MGs like the harpyI can see various types of bird giving rise to different "ethnicities" of Harpy with only small differences between them. These differences could take the form of minor special abilities based on the mundane abilities of appropriate birds. *Vulture -- resistance to disease and poison, possibly immune to nonmagical diseases and poisons; *Owl -- near-silent flight, night vision; *Falcon/Hawk -- long-range vision, fastest flight of all MGs; *Eagle -- I would give these traits to Thunderbirds myself, but if you let Harpies have them it would be long-range vision and highest flight ceiling; *Albatross -- seagoing Harpies, yay! These would get the longest flight range/time in flight of any MG. Clarus_Nox said: It could. Personally though, I don't see the point for the werewolf, I find both the werecat and nekomata to be quite obviously based on domestic cats, and you could make your mermaid a tuna-mermaid but I don't really see the point in that.hmm could this be applied to various species of canines and felines as well? and oh god the endless species of fish Are you kidding me? Even if you limit it to simple re-skins and/or minor changes in swimming ability do you have any idea what kind of possibilities that opens up? Fresh and Salt water, Arctic and Tropical, Coastal and Deep water, and the colors... oh god the colors! I'm going to have to do some research for my trip to the sunken city. Tyger, you're in charge of the city. What do you think of the prospect? |
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dcw2021 said: Chill, dude. Changing the appearance of MGs has never been an issue so long as they were clearly distinguishable as a member of their race. As for salt-fresh, climate/biome and water depth, why does that even matter? It's a fantasy setting and everything is half-human; if you wanted to have a fresh-water kraken no one would have stopped you even before this topic came up.Are you kidding me? Even if you limit it to simple re-skins and/or minor changes in swimming ability do you have any idea what kind of possibilities that opens up? Fresh and Salt water, Arctic and Tropical, Coastal and Deep water, and the colors... oh god the colors! I'm going to have to do some research for my trip to the sunken city. |
chimechu said: Chill, dude. Changing the appearance of MGs has never been an issue so long as they were clearly distinguishable as a member of their race. As for salt-fresh, climate/biome and water depth, why does that even matter? It's a fantasy setting and everything is half-human; if you wanted to have a fresh-water kraken no one would have stopped you even before this topic came up. what about clown fish? sea serpent(fairly different than snakes)? mako shark? white shark? sea horse? |
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| what about clown fish? sea serpent(fairly different than snakes)? mako shark? white shark? sea horse?[/quote] Clarus_Nox said: chimechu said: Chill, dude. Changing the appearance of MGs has never been an issue so long as they were clearly distinguishable as a member of their race. As for salt-fresh, climate/biome and water depth, why does that even matter? It's a fantasy setting and everything is half-human; if you wanted to have a fresh-water kraken no one would have stopped you even before this topic came up. what about clown fish? sea serpent(fairly different than snakes)? mako shark? white shark? sea horse? Are there any monstergirls for this? No? Case closed. |
| Ehhhh well technically we now have the leviathan as an HMG. |
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greatgreenman said: Ehhhh well technically we now have the leviathan as an HMG. You know what would be killer? Like a fucking shark MG Or like... A T-Rex MG with a complex about having tiny arms? |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
greatgreenman said: Yeah. We need to decide on how to put her up as a possible companion choice. Unless her description needs adjustments or we need a picture for her?Ehhhh well technically we now have the leviathan as an HMG. |
| @ greeny: In your story you get affected by the demonic energy. what kind of changes did you undergo and how did it affect you in detail? |
dcw2021 said: Even if you limit it to simple re-skins and/or minor changes in swimming ability do you have any idea what kind of possibilities that opens up? Fresh and Salt water, Arctic and Tropical, Coastal and Deep water, and the colors... oh god the colors! I'm going to have to do some research for my trip to the sunken city. Tyger, you're in charge of the city. What do you think of the prospect? I've always envisioned Michiko's realm as a very colorful place... at least until you go deep enough that colors start to fade from view. But at the depth of the Sunken City, which is on the continental shelf and probably built within a coral reef, all the many colors of tropical fish will be present. Mind you, any departure from the Mermaid and Merrow entries that is drastic enough to entail new abilities would require an HMG. But within those boundaries there is still lots of room for customization. |
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| @Su: The only impact it's had on my MC is that it's further damaged the characters psyche, a type of split personality disorder that was normally under wraps but progressively became worse and worse until the point that the darker personality lacking a moral compass became temporarily the dominate personality. The demonic energy has had no physical affect on my character so far, it was the NPC character (Tony) that was affected by demonic energy through the bite of an Apophis that turned him into and Incubus, I spoke with you about that a while back and you said it was okay. My character's mind was the only thing affected so far but its been solved (temporarily). |
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| I'm really sad nobody responded to my Shark and T-Rex MG thing... I thought at Least GGM would respond, but I guess he doesn't love me. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
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