Fan Subs in comparison to Licensed/Official Subs, let&#039;s be serious

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Vudis said:
A few years back when I was still buying anime, official subs were horrendous so I never bothered to go back to it.
Scarred for life.

I'm not sure what you mean by ''few years ago'', but I am certainly aware around the time of 2008-2009 people were completely upset over the quality of Official Subs are the time (including myself), but this is 2013.

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overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

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Dec 11, 2013 2:50 PM

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So...Is this about which is better? 'Cause if we're giving specific case examples, this won't go no where.

Between the typical official sub and a fansub of reasonable quality, I really can't tell a difference. I mean, I can't tell what a "100% accurate translation" is 'cause I don't speak nor understand Japanese. Though, if I'm watching a fansub and there's a ludicrous amount of swearing or whatever, that's not a problem with fansubs in general, but rather it's a problem with that specific fansub group.

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overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

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then form what i hear TvN are better than any Oficaal sub or dub cuase they Leave all the mening full japanese [ i e umtraslatebale stuff[ untraslated and they do not try and localise it my preapest to them for giniv there fan[ yes i know it not lergal] the best and closest to the creators sprict possible

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mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

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I'm not sure what is official subbing but when i bought anime many years ago from a store, the subs were GOD awful. Really terrible sentence formation and incoherent at times. It's like they got the translations from google translators. Not to mention I paid quite a bit for it. Having said that I don't think they were even official subs. Fan subbing to my experience is vastly superior. Speed subbing sucks big ones too

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I'm not sure what is official subbing but when i bought anime many years ago from a store, the subs were GOD awful. Really terrible sentence formation and incoherent at times. It's like they got the translations from google translators. Not to mention I paid quite a bit for it. Having said that I don't think they were even official subs. Fan subbing to my experience is vastly superior.

Official subs are anime licensed by companies like Funimation and Crunchyroll for streaming and selling. It was already an obvious fact many years ago they were much poorer to fan subs, but it has changed significantly now, professionally speaking. But I want to know what people have to say to justify viewing fan subs over official ones, in 2013 now, especially considering all the new anime releases nowadays are always licensed.

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DramaEnthusiast said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

Funmation DBZ whole ost changed the thing is all the song of that anime had fully traslated version sunf by by there singers for other asain dubs like the Penoy and Thai dub had that ENg traslated version of the Real songs from the anime

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

Dec 11, 2013 3:03 PM

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Depends on which fansub group you use. Use fucking Hadena and you're going to get a shitty translation, while UTW is usually top notch. I have a ton of Blu rays with official subs, and fansubber's dialogue flows much smoother. Official subs are usually stiff and awkward.

I've checked many shows in this regard, and the fansub is what I always go back to.

Dec 11, 2013 3:04 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

All the battle shounen series usually get new OPs in the dubbed versions.

I probably regret this post by now.

Dec 11, 2013 3:10 PM

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Zeally said:
I'm not sure what is official subbing but when i bought anime many years ago from a store, the subs were GOD awful. Really terrible sentence formation and incoherent at times. It's like they got the translations from google translators. Not to mention I paid quite a bit for it. Having said that I don't think they were even official subs. Fan subbing to my experience is vastly superior.

Official subs are anime licensed by companies like Funimation and Crunchyroll for streaming and selling. It was already an obvious fact many years ago they were much poorer to fan subs, but it has changed significantly now, professionally speaking. But I want to know what people have to say to justify viewing fan subs over official ones, in 2013 now, especially considering all the new anime releases nowadays are always licensed.

I don't know where exactly the original is from, but knowing how Horriblesubs rips most of their stuff from Crunchyroll I'm just assuming it's from there. The Toriko and Magi subs are pretty terrible for example, they change the spelling of names and attacks and everything. Not to mention fansubs usually put a lot more effort into the visual presentation, stuff like fonts or making attack names stand out in the subs etc.. Which isn't primarily important, but it definitely impacts my enjoyment especially for long-running series like naruto or One Piece.
And sometimes I find the translations questionable too. I'm really not an expert on japanese but even I know that 'Kodomo' means kid and not baby and I recognized it once when they false translated it and the sentence made a lot less sense then. So I can just imagine what other mistakes they make that I'm unable to catch.

I probably regret this post by now.

Dec 11, 2013 3:12 PM

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If I want to archive something, I check the available subs, fan made or official, and keep the one I find the best, sometimes with alterations. It's usually the fan made, they often feel more natural and closer to the original. I generally don't like localisations.
If I just want to watch and delete, I go with the highest rated/my most trusted group.

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Dec 11, 2013 3:17 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Zeally said:
I'm not sure what is official subbing but when i bought anime many years ago from a store, the subs were GOD awful. Really terrible sentence formation and incoherent at times. It's like they got the translations from google translators. Not to mention I paid quite a bit for it. Having said that I don't think they were even official subs. Fan subbing to my experience is vastly superior.

Official subs are anime licensed by companies like Funimation and Crunchyroll for streaming and selling. It was already an obvious fact many years ago they were much poorer to fan subs, but it has changed significantly now, professionally speaking. But I want to know what people have to say to justify viewing fan subs over official ones, in 2013 now, especially considering all the new anime releases nowadays are always licensed.

I don't know where exactly the original is from, but knowing how Horriblesubs rips most of their stuff from Crunchyroll I'm just assuming it's from there. The Toriko and Magi subs are pretty terrible for example, they change the spelling of names and attacks and everything. Not to mention fansubs usually put a lot more effort into the visual presentation, stuff like fonts or making attack names stand out in the subs etc.. Which isn't primarily important, but it definitely impacts my enjoyment especially for long-running series like naruto or One Piece.
And sometimes I find the translations questionable too. I'm really not an expert on japanese but even I know that 'Kodomo' means kid and not baby and I recognized it once when they false translated it and the sentence made a lot less sense then. So I can just imagine what other mistakes they make that I'm unable to catch.

When you say you find translations questionable, you can't possibly say you never feel the same way with fan subs since it is (I think?) your primary way of viewing anime. I can see you've seen everything regarding Toradora, so I am going to ask you to see that video. I mean the word fuck is thrown around everywhere when I can hear it's not what they are saying through instinctive memory, Kanō is translated to Kanou, and Kanō says ''you dumbasses'' to Taiga in the video. Dumbass(es)?

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Would be cool to have someone that actually speaks/understands Japanese fluently compare CR subs (official subs) with some decent fan subbers group like UTW or w/e is out there.

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Would be cool to have someone that actually speaks/understands Japanese fluently compare CR subs (official subs) with some decent fan subbers group like UTW or w/e is out there.

this would be great, but I think a post like this would only warrant attention from trolls who are out to claim superiority to one of the other.

Wish someone really did though.

Dec 11, 2013 3:23 PM

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Sure fansubs can be bad, there are hundreds of groups out there after all. I've watched Slam Dunk with subs that were made by non-english native speakers and full of grammatical errors and false sentence structure.
But the point is that such inconsistencies are to be expected in fansubs (and there are still a lot of groups who mostly avoid them). But official subs with people who get paid for the job should really be more coherent and less faulty. If they fail, they fail at their job and not only at some hobby. And as long as some fansub groups are really putting out constant quality I just think it's unfair that the crunchy subbers get paid for making less effort than most of the better fansub groups.
Plus the fonts. I really want my subs to have a nice and readable font that doesn't make me remember the HK subs I forced myself to watch for the first 20-something episodes of LOGH. It was a traumatic experience.

I probably regret this post by now.

Dec 11, 2013 3:24 PM

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As someone with a subscription to Funimation and Crunchyroll monthly, I cannot fathom, why under any circumstance someone would still use fan subs if they have access to licensed subs, or even a proper dub

As for this part, I'm pretty sure dubs would most likely be even more inaccurate than fansubs

You should understand a dub is a whole different beast from subtitles in general, regardless of quality. In many respects, it's the worst way to experience an anime, but the question is if you want sharp, crisp voice acting in your native language over fan subs.

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NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

NoSurrender1690 said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

Funmation DBZ whole ost changed the thing is all the song of that anime had fully traslated version sunf by by there singers for other asain dubs like the Penoy and Thai dub had that ENg traslated version of the Real songs from the anime

both of those are either 10 years old or done by a dead company

Higashi_no_Kaze said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

All the battle shounen series usually get new OPs in the dubbed versions.

they get an english translated opening in case they ever air on tv and the dvds still come with the japanese version on the disk

Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

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mattbenz99 said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

NoSurrender1690 said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

4Kids changed soundtracks for every anime they dubbed, if we really want to go there.

Funmation DBZ whole ost changed the thing is all the song of that anime had fully traslated version sunf by by there singers for other asain dubs like the Penoy and Thai dub had that ENg traslated version of the Real songs from the anime

both of those are either 10 years old or done by a dead company

Higashi_no_Kaze said:

mattbenz99 said:

NoSurrender1690 said:
overly loclaised cultrally white washed sub and dub are wrong that waht you backing here and music changes too

music changed? in what shows? most official show (like almost all of them) never change any music. i think the only exception i can think of off the top of my head is eden of the east which had legal problems with the opening since the opening was made by a british band. in the end the actual opening was played on the first episode and the rest of the how had a different song

All the battle shounen series usually get new OPs in the dubbed versions.

they get an english translated opening in case they ever air on tv and the dvds still come with the japanese version on the disk

traslte the song sing it dont dicade the song for tv casting

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@mattbenz: Fair enough, though you have to admit that Eden of the East is far from the only example. You never specified 'recent' dubs too.

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Is it just me or are Date's posts getting more incoherent?

Once again when it comes to subs I have no idea how to judge them because I don't speak the damn language. Which is evident because I can't give any objections in that apparently so terribly translated Toradora clip. However when it comes to flow and just overall feel of subtitles I generally prefer fansubs. I'm basing this on my experience with horriblesubs, which I use a last resort.

Maybe if we could get someone in here who actually speaks some damn Japanese.

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I like the crunchyroll subs, and I use that if I'm on my tablet as it's HD and there are no ads, but as for anything else, I have anime on DVD and I prefer fansubs a lot more. I'm not sure about the actual translation, but I prefer the way fansubs are laid out. I for one, can't stand the blocky yellow subs that most anime on DVD seem to have.

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@mattbenz: Fair enough, though you have to admit that Eden of the East is far from the only example. You never specified 'recent' dubs too.

ya my mistake i just assumed it was implied because if you go back far enough you can find some terrible things

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i said traslate the song sing it do not discard the song

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There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

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One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

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i said traslate the song sing it do not discard the song

they do translate the song. but if any big american tv company ever wanted to air the show on tv they would demand that it be in english so this is just making sure the show is prepared in case of that. the songs stay pretty much the same just a couple words moved around to make it sound better in english. 4kids died and the complete rewritting of anime openings died with them

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One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

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DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

they really arent as bad as you make them out to be.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/SWfjy_EXaaOpU

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Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

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mattbenz99 said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

they really arent as bad as you make them out to be.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/SWfjy_EXaaOpU

I've actually compared this one, and had the subs open side by side, and the fansub version flows smoother and makes more sense. The subs look better as well. Funimation has a habit of taking speech too literally, and their translations are bland and lifeless, at least on the shows I've watched from them.

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

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NoSurrender1690 said:
i said traslate the song sing it do not discard the song

they do translate the song. but if any big american tv company ever wanted to air the show on tv they would demand that it be in english so this is just making sure the show is prepared in case of that. the songs stay pretty much the same just a couple words moved around to make it sound better in english. 4kids died and the complete rewritting of anime openings died with them

the only eng[us trasalation of an ainime op i can find thats is based on on its Proper Japanese version is the dub version of Hikari e [ based on a YT seaarch iv done]

not to mention the hack job of tralations of live action the us have done

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
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For the Union makes us strong

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Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

For one thing you're certainly not wasting my time as all I'm doing outside of checking this once in a while, is watching Mushishi on another browser. I mean, provided it's eligible and visible to you, isn't that all that matters? If it's something you need to literally stand up from your bed or couch up-close to your TV to read, then it's a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how plain it looks.

Dec 11, 2013 4:04 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

For one thing you're certainly not wasting my time as all I'm doing outside of checking this once in a while, is watching Mushishi on another browser. I mean, provided it's eligible and visible to you, isn't that all that matters? If it's something you need to literally stand up from your bed or couch up-close to your TV to read, then it's a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how plain it looks.

It matters for a lot of people. Some fansub groups are completely dismissed because they use a bad font on a show. People literally use MkvMerge just to add their own subtitle font. It's crucial for aesthetics and Official subs do a terrible job of it.

Dec 11, 2013 4:06 PM

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Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

For one thing you're certainly not wasting my time as all I'm doing outside of checking this once in a while, is watching Mushishi on another browser. I mean, provided it's eligible and visible to you, isn't that all that matters? If it's something you need to literally stand up from your bed or couch up-close to your TV to read, then it's a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how plain it looks.

It matters for a lot of people. Some fansub groups are completely dismissed because they use a bad font on a show. People literally use MkvMerge just to add their own subtitle font. It's crucial for aesthetics and Official subs do a terrible job of it.

Yeah, as I said before I'm one of the people who really cares about the font. I've watched too many awful fonts before and it can really impede the enjoyment in the longterm. Switching from HK subs to C-A fansubs in LOGH was an orgasmic experience.

I probably regret this post by now.

Dec 11, 2013 4:06 PM

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Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

For one thing you're certainly not wasting my time as all I'm doing outside of checking this once in a while, is watching Mushishi on another browser. I mean, provided it's eligible and visible to you, isn't that all that matters? If it's something you need to literally stand up from your bed or couch up-close to your TV to read, then it's a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how plain it looks.

It matters for a lot of people. Some fansub groups are completely dismissed because they use a bad font on a show. People literally use MkvMerge just to add their own subtitle font. It's crucial for aesthetics and Official subs do a terrible job of it.

Really? If that is true, I find it somewhat stupid and greedy. It's just pure vanity, and wanting more from what you get. But to each their own I guess.

Dec 11, 2013 4:10 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Reverb_Shock said:

DramaEnthusiast said:
One thing you guys have to take note of to not think I am biased, is I am entirely basing my official subtitles off of Funimation and Crunchyroll only for now. I am currently not aware if there are any notable licensing companies that do offical subs, and are of atrocious quality. In particular @Jamie-sama, do you remember who the licensors were for the ''blocky-yellow'' subs?

Sentai Filmworks uses the shitty yellow subs.

But Funimation is almost as bad. Their subs are blurry, and their font is bland. I've seen their Steins;Gate subs and they are terrible compared to the subs used in WhyNot? fansubs release.

Sentai Filmworks. Last time I heard of them, it was from Arkada, and he noted they were not really doing great as of late, both in regards to dub and sub quality, so you can't say the same for others like CR, much like fan subs (apparently).

As for Funimation, I have no idea what you mean by ''blurry'', and their HD subs are just simple, generic white fonts that are simple enough to read and enjoy.

As for the Sentai Filmworks comment, it's explored somewhat at the last section of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mHM5XuRWw

I own a lot of funimation Blu rays and if you look at the subs closely, the subs have a blur around them and look blocky. I asked a fansubber about this, and IIRC they said it had something to do with the encode (I don't remember exactly.) I'd give you a screenshot, but I don't wanna waste the time.

For one thing you're certainly not wasting my time as all I'm doing outside of checking this once in a while, is watching Mushishi on another browser. I mean, provided it's eligible and visible to you, isn't that all that matters? If it's something you need to literally stand up from your bed or couch up-close to your TV to read, then it's a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how plain it looks.

It matters for a lot of people. Some fansub groups are completely dismissed because they use a bad font on a show. People literally use MkvMerge just to add their own subtitle font. It's crucial for aesthetics and Official subs do a terrible job of it.

Really? If that is true, I find it somewhat stupid and greedy. It's just pure vanity, and wanting more from what you get. But to each their own I guess.

How much effort is for them to make the fonts somewhat attractive? Even Speedsubbing groups can manage, so why don't official subs? Is it some kind of copyright issue about the fonts? I just don't understand why they would be so negligent about an issue that can be so easily fixed, if they wanted to fix it.

I probably regret this post by now.

Dec 11, 2013 4:11 PM

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