| Unfortunately, there are many parts of Rewrite that lack explanation, so the fans sometimes have to come up with an explanation themselves, even without any hard facts backing them up. I cannot guarantee that all of my following explanations are correct, but those are the answers that make most sense to me. Ok, let's get started ^^ Ol-Hybrius said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I understood well, the Earth used all his energy once and could'nt ensure re-evolution, so life (Aurora) went to the moon, where there was still energy left. That's when the game start, and all routes are re-evolution after the "moon's salvation" but like the Earth, the moon finished by dry out (that's when Moon route takes place) but the earth recovered a bit, just enough to ensure one try. Then, Aurora came back to Earth and that's where Terra route takes place. At the end of this one, Kotarou became a familiar, made contract with the girls and take them to the moon (by the way, is there a reason for that ?). Almost correct. Just that the routes previous to Moon aren't re-evolutions. If the Aurora is too dense due to a low amount of surface area of a celestial body, it has the property to create parallel worlds. That's what the previous routes are - parallel worlds. Kotarou took the girls to the moon for several reasons, the most important of them being that the wish of meeting Moon Kagari again was inscripted into the very fiber of his being back in Moon route. Also, it might help to think of Aurora as a plant that needs soil to grow. When there's new soil, Aurora can thrive and multiply. When the soil gets used over and over, it becomes bad so eventually, no new Aurora can thrive from it. However, if you leave that soil unused for a while, it can recover and Aurora can be planted there again. Check out the Memory section articles about Kagari(Earth) and Kagari(Moon) Why is Kotarou much older than the girls in Terra ? Also, the bad end seems to lead to the common route, but he's already twenty years old at this time so how could he go to highschool with Kotori ? He is much older than the girls in all routes, actually. Just that he doesn't LOOK older. When he received that head injury after attacking Kagari, Kotori saved him by turning him into a half-familiar. I believe that from that moment on, he stopped aging. He then spent around 10 years in coma and when he left hospital, Kotori and him looked like they were around the same age. What is the difference between Kagari (Moon) and Kagari (Earth) ? Is there one for each ? Then which one did Kotarou love ? They are the respective familiars/Keys of Moon and Earth. They are both made the same way, just that their area of responsibility is different. And about which one Kotarou loves... well, it's either both or he doesn't even know there's two of them. Terra kotarou did not retain any memories of the previous routes. It's quite possible that he found out he needed to go to the moon shortly before the end of Terra route, when he was transforming into a tree. This may have been explicated but if so, I don't remember, how could Kotarou "summon" everyone to the moon in Moon route ? I guess he uses the 'memories' of the Aurora to re-create them. Aurora is the source of all life and it seems to 'remember' the life forms that it was part of. The same would explain how the 'converged' version of Kotarou came to be: The aurora particles that were part of Kotarou in different routes came together, recreating him. What are exactly the good memories brought by Kotarou in Terra ? The possibility for life to continue ? First, the conflict between Gaia and Guardian stopped (because Kotarou destroyed both). Then, there was that small group of children that Kotarou managed to save throughout Terra. It's comprised of both summoners and superhumans who work together. Finally, the secrets of using life force were made public. That way, humans wouldn't use up natural resources as much as they used to. As you already mentioned, life can continue that way (though they'll still have to get to a different planet eventually) |
Naoki-SatenNov 6, 2013 3:57 AM
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| geh... these are a lot harder to understand... I'll try to do what I can. Ol-Hybrius said: A few other things, Kotarou is the one summoned by Kagari in Moon route because he is the Rewriter and that makes him the better choice to help her out with the theory, right ? It's not like being a Rewriter is his only plus point. To my mind, what makes him the most qualified one for the role is a compilation of many different attributes of his. First off, he's a Rewriter. His power is really convenient and variable. He can rewrite himself to understand Kagari's theory. He's also a polluter-type superhuman who can controll his blood. He used to be somewhat emo when he was young, so he also has potential as summoner (as shown in Terra). He used to be part of Guardian. He is a half-familiar with a part of Kagari's power inside him. Agents of all sides (Gaia, Guardian, Druid, Key) have miraculously gathered around him. His fate is closely tied with the fate of the earth. Despite getting involved with every organization in various ways, he never succumbed to their ideals, always keeping his own opinion about everything. If you put all those facts together, you surely get the Idea that he's pretty much perfect for saving the world, right? ^^ And there can't be two of them at the same time, that's it ? Following that logic, now that Kotarou is a tree (xD)... a familiar, another Rewriter will appear eventually, like before (Sakuya became a familiar and then Kotarou appear as the new Rewriter) ? I don't think I can answer that. Was such a rule mentioned in the VN? Ah, and can you explain (or try to) why Sakuya could'nt be anymore after Moon Route ? This is kinda complicated too. ^^' I can't find any facts that would help me solving this question, so all I can do is to use abstract terms and principles. For some reason, Sakuya 'Was not supposed to appear on the moon'. Most likely because he was a 'familiar born from a specific tree' that did not grow on the moon. He could not be summoned by Moon Chihaya because she was merely a clone that 'did not form a contract with Sakuya'. So since Sakuya 'Was not supposed to appear on the moon', he had to pay a price in order to get there regardless. The price he paid was apparently 'his very existence'. An alternative explanation would be that he somehow reached the same 'conclusion' as Kotarou did on the Moon route. Remember how Kotarou said that after reaching this conclusion, he wouldnt 'converge' or 'be reborn' on Moon if he died again? As you can see, all these explanations are kinda vague and unfounded. So I hope there might be someone around here who's more knowledgeable in this regard. |
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Ol-Hybrius said: And there can't be two of them at the same time, that's it ? Following that logic, now that Kotarou is a tree (xD)... a familiar, another Rewriter will appear eventually, like before (Sakuya became a familiar and then Kotarou appear as the new Rewriter) ? I believe there's a possibility that two Rewriters will can exist on the same generation. I believe you're aware that rewrite power is a god-given power and only few selective people have that power(Sakuya and Kotarou) but there's no such rule as only one person will get that specific power per generation. For instance, "the eyes" in which there a few people on the same generation share the same power(It is implied on Terra that there "are few people" who have power of "the eyes"). Ol-Hybrius said: Ah, and can you explain (or try to) why Sakuya could'nt be anymore after Moon Route ? This is kinda complicated too. ^^' I don't know if I understand what you're trying ask but, are you asking why Sakuya will never exist once again anymore after what he said on the Moon route? If so, the answer is Naoki-Saten's first answer. |
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| I edited my post up there because I used some wrong terms that you might misunderstand what I answered but I guess they're very minor so it's up to you if you want to check it again. Ol-Hybrius said: . Anyway, do you think the happy Kagari we see at the end is the Earth's one or the Moon's one ? It's the Moon Kagari. Ol-Hybrius said: Earth Kagari has been destroyed, but that's not true for the other, so why did she become a seed ? ... I'll just let Naoki-Saten answer that. |
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Tennouji_ said: Ol-Hybrius said: Earth Kagari has been destroyed, but that's not true for the other, so why did she become a seed ? ... I'll just let Naoki-Saten answer that. Actually, I'll have to re-watch that scene to be sure since it's a bit faint in my memory, but... going by logic alone, you should ask yourself about "what is Moon Kagari's task"? She most certainly doesn't serve as a Key, seeing how the moon has no population. Her only task was to analyze the Aurora from earth and create a 'plan' that would enable life on earth to continue. So now that she has no more tasks to fulfill, it would make sense that she would turn into a 'seed' that would be taken along somewhere else in order to 'bear fruit' there (thus gaining a purpose). I'll re-watch that scene sometime later... btw, this Thread should be re-named into something like "Rewrite - plot questions and answers (spoilers)". That way, everyone will know where to post their questions. |
Naoki-SatenNov 7, 2013 2:13 AM
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| Ok, I'd like everyone to put their heads together on this one: During Shizuru route, Kotarou is mortally wounded by the Earth Dragon. Shizuru tries to heal him but fails because he's a half-familiar. And then SOMETHING happens that saves Kotarou. I'd like to clarify what exactly that something is because the VN failed to do so, so there are multiple possible explanations. First off, the mysterious voice that talks to Kotarou is definitely Kotori, because no one else calls him "Kotarou-kun". Then, the chronologic order is: Earth Dragon incident -> Shizuru fails heal -> Shizuru does something reckless -> SOMETHING happens that saves Kotarou -> Shizuru wipes his memory -> Kotarou wakes up at home -> Kotarou returns to Shizuru's bedside and regains memories -> Kotarou enters dream-like state and Kotori speaks to him -> Shizuru regains consciousness So, what is that SOMETHING? 1. Shizuru failed to heal, so Kotori interfered (without showing herself to anyone) and established connection between Kotarou and Shizuru. Because Kotarou needed a lot of energy to heal, Shizuru eventually fell into a coma. And after he recovered completely, his energy consumption went down, so shizuru woke up eventually... And talking to Kotori didn't actually change anything? 2. Shizuru established the link to Kotarou herself and provided the energy needed for his recovery. But it doesn't suffice for both of them, so she's getting weaker and weaker and might eventually die. Then Kotori speaks to Kotarou and she sacrifices herself, transfering her entire life force to Kotarou, lessening Shizuru's burden who thereby recovers. and there should be some similar theories. Depending on which theory you choose, certain questions arise. - why exactly did Shizuru wipe Kotarou's memories? Did she know she would be comatose/die? Or did she just want to sever his link to guardian to keep him safe? - what exactly did Kotori do after her last dream-conversation with Kotarou? So what seems like the most logical explanation to you guys? Personally, I settled for theory 2. Note that terms like "sharing a life" were mentioned in the route. |
Naoki-SatenNov 28, 2013 9:24 AM
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| I honestly don't like Shizuru's route so her route is forgettable to me but that SOMETHING is I think the 2nd option. I don't think and I don't remember when Kotori appeared in front of either Kotarou, Shizuru, or both "personally" on Shizuru's route so 1st option won't make sense. I won't able to answer your other question because of, like I said, her route is forgettable to me and I can't really give a damn on her route. |
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| Ok, my wording was awkward. Kotori never showed herself, but she DID play a role in the whole thing. There is no solid proof, but it just can't be anyone but her, since nobody else calls him "Kotarou-kun". Her speech pattern also seemed to match and, well, nobody else, except maybe the key could talk directly to Kotarou's mind (and I don't remember the key ever doing that). |
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| This might not be exactly a matter of plot, but I'll post it nonetheless. I came across it while editing HunterTennouji's Terra route summary: http://puu.sh/5CoLZ.jpg http://puu.sh/5CoMY.jpg http://puu.sh/5CoQq.jpg Note: The boy said "outlaw" in english. It's a scene where Terra-Kotarou beats up a bunch of delinquents who robbed a boy of his wallet on his way to school. It's also the moment when Kotori first takes note of him. So... do you think that boy was Yoshino? That would be really funny! A 'cram school' was mentioned, which kinda implies that the boy and Kotori are around the same age. |
Naoki-SatenDec 9, 2013 9:20 AM
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| That's what I thought while playing as well, I'm pretty sure that's Yoshino. When Kotarou and Kotori overhear him talking to his mother, doesn't he calls her 'mama' as well? Looks like Kotarou's influence from the past :D Anyway, nice thread guys, I just read everything, and now I have a different look for some things which were bothering me ever since I'd completed the vn. I've got some questions as well then (some less interesting though, I guess). How the heck did Kotori's parents (and Chibimoth) save her and Kotarou near the end? Was it somehow explained, or it was just some 'power of love' bullshit? Normally I like that kind of explaination, or at least don't mind it, but here her entire arc was about how they aren't people, and how they can't do anything on their own, so I don't really know how to feel about it. Also, why during Terra there is a choice (you can't make, but still) to stop Kotori's family from going on a trip? It really confused me. Is it implying something, or just Kotarou's 'bad feeling about it'? Akane route: why during it we don't hear ANYTHING about Chihaya? At some point Akane says even that she doesn't know where she is, or something like that. What the hell happened with her and Sakuya? In other routes she just sticks with Akane, huh. Ending. Ok, world is destroyed, people are in the fake world. But what are they going to do in the future? Going back to the 'real world'? I think I've missed something. |
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| "How the heck did Kotori's parents (and Chibimoth) save her and Kotarou near the end? Was it somehow explained, or it was just some 'power of love' bullshit?" They were implied to still have the "will" of their human selves. This is why they even had a dialogue before going to battle. So basically, what i got from that is that familiars made of humans probably retain a very weak portion of their former selves, that doesnt usually show up, so I guess you can say it was the "power of love" bullshit. Chibi I really cant explain, since Pero wasnt loyal at all to Kotori when he was alive, so the fact that it saved Kotarou and Kotori in her route is kinda weird. However, he definitely had Pero´s traits, as seen by his death scene, where he actually barked. "Also, why during Terra there is a choice (you can't make, but still) to stop Kotori's family from going on a trip? It really confused me. Is it implying something, or just Kotarou's 'bad feeling about it'?" Terra Kotarou didnt have the memories from past routes, but because of how Moon played out, Kotarou DID know (unconsciously) that her parents were going to die in that trip, which they did anyway, hence why the only choice there was to "Stop them". All of Terra´s choices are locked because of Kotarou having been "programmed" by Moon Kagari to make those choices, and ofc because of Kotarou´s unconscious memories from the other routes. "Akane route: why during it we don't hear ANYTHING about Chihaya? At some point Akane says even that she doesn't know where she is, or something like that. What the hell happened with her and Sakuya? In other routes she just sticks with Akane, huh." This I cant explain really, Chihaya was part of Gaia in the other 4 routes, but she was never mentioned in this route as a Gaia summoner. I guess it was just because they felt like she would only get in a way of this route, since it was a quite different one from the others, regarding not only Kotarou, but also the events that happened. However, its probably a plot hole, or somehow, in that branch, things didnt play out as they did in the others. "Ending. Ok, world is destroyed, people are in the fake world. But what are they going to do in the future? Going back to the 'real world'? I think I've missed something." I guess you´re talking about Akane´s route? If you are talking about Terra, they did remain in the real world. However, if you´re talking about Akane´s route, people would just have to learn to live in the fake world. As mentioned in Kotarou´s dialogues, people were already starting to adapt 4 weeks after they were trapped in that world. and I think that, besides Atonment, Adaptation was also a theme of this route in particular. I don´t think they intended to return to the real world, just because of how it ended, but they did say that the world was enough to contain that quantity of people, as long as the population didnt drastically increase. So yeah, its left to the reader´s imagination what truly happens after, much like most of Rewrite actually. Hope I was able to help a little. Rewrite is mostly a VN of interpretation, and most things dont really have an explanation. |
Diogo_BrandoDec 4, 2013 7:11 PM
Kitsu-nee said: Akane route: why during it we don't hear ANYTHING about Chihaya? At some point Akane says even that she doesn't know where she is, or something like that. What the hell happened with her and Sakuya? In other routes she just sticks with Akane, huh. She might have left Gaia. In Shizuru's and Chihaya's route, Chihaya left Gaia in order to not fight her friends. She might have made a similar decision here. She might have heard about Kotarou joining Gaia (as there were rumors about "Senri brought her lover into the organization") and she either didn't want to intrude or she was kinda shocked when she heard how he killed several people during the Key capture mission. It's all pure speculation, though. |
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| Thank you both for your replies :) masterfxx1 said: They were implied to still have the "will" of their human selves. This is why they even had a dialogue before going to battle. So basically, what i got from that is that familiars made of humans probably retain a very weak portion of their former selves, that doesnt usually show up, so I guess you can say it was the "power of love" bullshit. Chibi I really cant explain, since Pero wasnt loyal at all to Kotori when he was alive, so the fact that it saved Kotarou and Kotori in her route is kinda weird. However, he definitely had Pero´s traits, as seen by his death scene, where he actually barked. Yeah I guess so. Kotori's route was my least favourite anyway. I especially loved how she didn't visit Kotarou even ONCE, when he was in the hospital. Best Key's heroine ever. masterfxx1 said: Terra Kotarou didnt have the memories from past routes, but because of how Moon played out, Kotarou DID know (unconsciously) that her parents were going to die in that trip, which they did anyway, hence why the only choice there was to "Stop them". All of Terra´s choices are locked because of Kotarou having been "programmed" by Moon Kagari to make those choices, and ofc because of Kotarou´s unconscious memories from the other routes. Yeah, ofc I was aware of Kotarou being 'programmed', but that one choice felt really weird, maybe because there are no other scenes where Kotarou "senses" something from other worlds. Well, at least that's the only one I noticed. masterfxx1 said: This I cant explain really, Chihaya was part of Gaia in the other 4 routes, but she was never mentioned in this route as a Gaia summoner. I guess it was just because they felt like she would only get in a way of this route, since it was a quite different one from the others, regarding not only Kotarou, but also the events that happened. However, its probably a plot hole, or somehow, in that branch, things didnt play out as they did in the others. Naoki-Saten said: She might have left Gaia. In Shizuru's and Chihaya's route, Chihaya left Gaia in order to not fight her friends. She might have made a similar decision here. She might have heard about Kotarou joining Gaia (as there were rumors about "Senri brought her lover into the organization") and she either didn't want to intrude or she was kinda shocked when she heard how he killed several people during the Key capture mission. It's all pure speculation, though. Well, my biggest problem with it was that it wasn't even MENTIONED. And you even have to clear Chihaya's route to enter Akane's anyway, so it really annoyed me. They could at least make Akane say "Oh, btw, Chihaya was our amazing summoner, but she suddenly without any reason quit today :( Oh well." I don't know, SOMETHING. I guess she would be just a hindrance in this kind of arc, but in other routes she at least had something to do before vanishing off-screen, sigh. masterfxx1 said: I guess you´re talking about Akane´s route? If you are talking about Terra, they did remain in the real world. However, if you´re talking about Akane´s route, people would just have to learn to live in the fake world. As mentioned in Kotarou´s dialogues, people were already starting to adapt 4 weeks after they were trapped in that world. and I think that, besides Atonment, Adaptation was also a theme of this route in particular. I don´t think they intended to return to the real world, just because of how it ended, but they did say that the world was enough to contain that quantity of people, as long as the population didnt drastically increase. So yeah, its left to the reader´s imagination what truly happens after, much like most of Rewrite actually. Yeah, I had Akane's route ending on my mind, sorry for not making it clear. Whoa, so after all they didn't plan to return? That's pretty, uhm, tragic. I thought that it's going to work out in like in the Shizuru's route. People were closed up, but after longer period of time managed to go out (and live in the, ugh, jungle, but oh well). Also, I've been wondering what will happen if Akane and Kotarou ever had a child, huh. God, just thinking about all these endings makes me feel depressed. T^T |
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| As stated in the Rewrite wiki: http://rewrite.wikia.com/wiki/Akane_Senri, "After which he is put into a comma and awaken by Akane, though neither of them seems to remember those events.". This, as Ol-Hybrius stated, was foreshadowed in some routes and finally confirmed in Moon route. |
Ol-Hybrius said: masterfxx1 said: As stated in the Rewrite wiki: http://rewrite.wikia.com/wiki/Akane_Senri, "After which he is put into a comma and awaken by Akane, though neither of them seems to remember those events.". This, as Ol-Hybrius stated, was foreshadowed in some routes and finally confirmed in Moon route. Not sure about Akane doesn't remembering anything about it. She seems to hide a lot of things from Kotarou during common route. What I got from it was that she didn´t remember EVERYTHING, in Chihaya´s route (I think) there was a dialogue between Akane and a "?" person, and she was talking about Kotarou "remembering" everything, so that means she does have slight recollections of the events, but I dont think she is fully aware of what happened. |
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| I guess it took a damn month to notice this. masterfxx1 said: in Chihaya´s route (I think) there was a dialogue between Akane and a "?" person, and she was talking about Kotarou "remembering" everything. Actually, at first I thought Akane was talking about Kotarou but she's actually talking about Suzaki. She only referred Kotarou as her pawn which is the last part of her conversation with "?"(Which is Tsukuno). And there's no conversation between Akane and Tsukuno about "remembering something". |
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IshkotenJan 8, 2014 1:35 AM
LightBladeNova said: It makes me sad to know that still hardly anyone knows what a visual novel is, even in the anime community. |
| Because they don't want to tell it from the others. Who wants to talk about Kotarou in the past(How really cruel he is, etc, etc)? And what really matters to them is the present and the future. So yeah, most likely Kotori and Akane kept it to themselves. |
TennoujiJan 30, 2014 5:21 PM
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| I was just lazy browsing in the Rewrite wiki and stumbled upon this on Kotarou's page (spoiler for Terra): While I take everything in that wiki with a grain of salt, does anyone remember if there were any implied connection in the VN? |
| Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
| They're pictured with Jasmine in Terra's ED, and I believe they're stated to be from a "war-torn country" at some point or another. Midou being a child soldier is also mentioned in his friend entry. That's all the hints we have though. |
| Okay, I just finished playing and this thread cleared my doubts, but I still have a question: Regarding Sakuya and Tennouji last dialogue, what was that all about?, Why did him had to be substitute of Sakuya? Is there some deep meaning that I'm missing? |
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Kaisos said: They're pictured with Jasmine in Terra's ED, and I believe they're stated to be from a "war-torn country" at some point or another. Midou being a child soldier is also mentioned in his friend entry. That's all the hints we have though. Just rewatched and you are right (if the black-haired girl is Jasmine). That explains why they have their red coats, probably to hint who they are. |
| Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
Verumir said: Okay, I just finished playing and this thread cleared my doubts, but I still have a question: Regarding Sakuya and Tennouji last dialogue, what was that all about?, Why did him had to be substitute of Sakuya? Is there some deep meaning that I'm missing? I don't think there's a deep meaning of it. It's simply just predecessor-successor thing. Just like(F/SN spoiler) |
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Tennouji_ said: Verumir said: Okay, I just finished playing and this thread cleared my doubts, but I still have a question: Regarding Sakuya and Tennouji last dialogue, what was that all about?, Why did him had to be substitute of Sakuya? Is there some deep meaning that I'm missing? I don't think there's a deep meaning of it. It's simply just predecessor-successor thing. Just like(F/SN spoiler) I was wondering if I missed something special (like in F/SN) that connected Sakuya and Tennouji but I guess I was just overthinking, thanks. |
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| Hey guys, I´ve finished Rewrite a couple of days ago. I've read every post in this topic and read the Tennouji Kotarou page on MAL, but I don't quite get everything what is said there. I've got some questions, some which are similar to the questions asked earlier here. I would highly appreciate it if you would try to answer these. First of all, in the Moon route, I understand that the footnote Kotarou made in the theory caused a new possibility for earth to be saved. But WHY? Why did the footnote "I hope to see you again, someday" cause a whole new possibility? In Terra: Can anyone give me a bigger explanation about the good memories? I see Naoki-Saten answered it with: conflicts between Guardian and Gaia stopped, Kotarou who helped the children, Secrets of life were made public. But is that everything? I'm confused because Kagari multiple times said that stopping the war between Guardian and Gaia wouldn't stop salvation. Well yeah, salvation must be stopped by Kotarou killing Kagari in the end of Terra. And is saving some children really such a good memory that it would affect Kagari? Kotarou had to kill Kagari because of salvation but why did salvation even occur when the good memories were approved by Kagari? At the end of Terra, why did Kotarou and Kagari end up to be a big tree? Why didn't Kotarou just "live" on as a full rewritten person, a familiar? This must have something to do with Chihaya/Sakuya's route and Sakuya also turning into a tree after his full rewritten body occured. Then, after the girls summoned Kotarou after he became a tree, what was the exact meaning and importance of them going to the Moon, to see Kagari (moon)? Only because of his wish to let everyone see the girl on the moon? Why did he wish that? I won't ask something about Kagari being a plant in the end. guess it has something to do with the answer in earlier posts. At last, if it has anything to do with the earlier questions, I would like explanation about the whole "aurora couldn't grow on the earth, because the "soil" wasn't good anymore" part in the second post from this topic. I don't I'm sorry for all of these (vague) questions. I really want to formulate these questions better, but it is so confusing for me I can't. I really want to know more about the answers, because this was my first visual novel ever and I loved it soooooo much! I want to understand the story as best as possible. I'm feeling to miss something if I don't get the end of this story. It is possible for me to come with new questions, I hope that isn't a problem. I'm especially asking you guys, because I see you have the best knowledge about Rewrite here, and asking other websites would only confuse me more because of the different answers. Thank you so much in advance! |
Ruben_Jb said: Hey guys, I´ve finished Rewrite a couple of days ago. I've read every post in this topic and read the Tennouji Kotarou page on MAL, but I don't quite get everything what is said there. I've got some questions, some which are similar to the questions asked earlier here. I would highly appreciate it if you would try to answer these. *cracking knuckles* Ok, time to have some fun ^^ Ruben_Jb said: First of all, in the Moon route, I understand that the footnote Kotarou made in the theory caused a new possibility for earth to be saved. But WHY? Why did the footnote "I hope to see you again, someday" cause a whole new possibility? As far as I know, Terra route was the ONLY instance where Kotarou ever decided to NOT attack the Key when it first emerged in the Kazamatsuri forest. Because usually, his training in Guardian urged him to try and destroy the key, http://puu.sh/6Edfy.jpg which resulted in him getting his head bashed in, saved by Kotori by getting turned into a half-familiar, getting amnesia coma pills and waking up almost 10 years later. However, that note of "I hope to see you again, someday" pretty much programmed Terra Kotarou to love Kagari. Therefore, he could resist his Hunter instincts and let her go instead, because he felt she's something precious to him. http://puu.sh/6Edss.jpg Also, he later on chose to cooperate with the Key for the same reason. Somewhere around the end of Terra, I believe Kotarou looks back on his accomplishments and thinks about what made him fight so hard and do the things he's done. And he arrives at the answer that he did not do it for grand goals like saving the world. Instead, he did it all for Kagari's sake because he loved her. In Terra: Can anyone give me a bigger explanation about the good memories? I see Naoki-Saten answered it with: conflicts between Guardian and Gaia stopped, Kotarou who helped the children, Secrets of life were made public. But is that everything? I'm confused because Kagari multiple times said that stopping the war between Guardian and Gaia wouldn't stop salvation. Well yeah, salvation must be stopped by Kotarou killing Kagari in the end of Terra. And is saving some children really such a good memory that it would affect Kagari? I'll try to answer this together with the next one: Kotarou had to kill Kagari because of salvation but why did salvation even occur when the good memories were approved by Kagari? All I can add to the explanations I've already given in previous posts would be something like this: Probably, the memories that Kotarou provided either came too late or they were good enough for Kagari but not good enough for the earth, so salvation triggered anyway. I'm not 100% sure about what "good memories" are, but maybe it helps thinking about what "bad memories" would be defined as? "Bad memories" would be something that urges the earth on to reset all life on the planet. In other words, something is going wrong. Something like Aurora/Life energy being wasted. Two examples come to my mind: - Humans greedily exploiting the planet's resources (destroying forests, causing climate changes) faster than Aurora can regenerate (eventually causing Aurora to dry up until no more life is possible on earth) - wasting life as in creating conflicts where many people die pointlessly and bring sadness and suffering to the living The first point would be explained by the explanations I previously posted. But if you think about the second one, you'll notice that the conflict between Gaia and Guardian was not the only war on earth. There were many more war zones where people suffered and died (Kotarou experienced all that first-hand). Maybe the Earth demanded either all of those wars to cease OR it wished for some kind of proof or, say, a token of HOPE, a reason to believe that all those wars might end someday and humanity won't go on pointlessly killing itself (and dragging the Earth along on its road of doom) Lastly, when I mentioned the children Kotarou saved, I pointed out that the group of those children "It's comprised of both summoners and superhumans who work together." In other words: It's a group of people who have the knowledge and skills to manipulate Aurora BUT they are not using it for killing and harming people and not for their own gain - in other words they don't create "bad memories". Maybe if there were MORE groups like that one, the Earth could have accepted their existence as a "good memory". ...actually, scratch all that. These screenshots say that Kotarou was merely too late: http://puu.sh/6EgeW.jpg http://puu.sh/6EgfP.jpg also, regarding what a "good memory" might be, apart from stopping Gaia and Guardian and all that: http://puu.sh/6EgqM.jpg http://puu.sh/6EgAk.jpg Kotarou mentions "An ideal memory for Kagari... Wouldn't that be the will and the power to carve out a new future? Something the people lost sight of when they started caring for the planet" At the end of Terra, why did Kotarou and Kagari end up to be a big tree? Why didn't Kotarou just "live" on as a full rewritten person, a familiar? This must have something to do with Chihaya/Sakuya's route and Sakuya also turning into a tree after his full rewritten body occured. At that point, Kotarou could not live on for much longer because he had exhausted his own life force by Rewriting himself so many times. http://puu.sh/6EfK7.jpg If he did not turn into that tree, he would have simply died due to lack of life force. He COULD live on as a familiar BUT only if there was a summoner to provide him life force. But as we know from Kotori and Shizuru routes, Kotarou, as a familiar needs about as much life force as a normal human. So neither him nor his summoner would be living for long. Then, after the girls summoned Kotarou after he became a tree, what was the exact meaning and importance of them going to the Moon, to see Kagari (moon)? Only because of his wish to let everyone see the girl on the moon? Why did he wish that? I won't ask something about Kagari being a plant in the end. guess it has something to do with the answer in earlier posts. I actually think it really was just his wish to see Moon Kagari again as well as his wish for her to not be lonely anymore. After all, she performed the thankless task of developing that theory and finding a path for life to continue. All by herself. She was never rewarded for her work. As for why she reverted to a flower, I think it's because her task is already finished. There's nothing more she can do on the moon. There isn't even any Aurora left there, because it all got sent back to earth. At last, if it has anything to do with the earlier questions, I would like explanation about the whole "aurora couldn't grow on the earth, because the "soil" wasn't good anymore" part in the second post from this topic. I don't Imagine Aurora as certain kind of a plant. It needs soil to grow on(obviously). Now imagine a field of those plants. That's the Earth. The plant (Aurora) can grow and thrive because there's "fresh" soil on the field (earth). However, agriculture taught us that if you continue growing the same kind of plant on the same field, it loses minerals that are essential for that plant (since the plant itself consumes them). The plant won't be growing as well anymore and eventually, it won't be able to grow at all. That's the state of the Earth after the 5 girl routes and before Moon route. Agriculture also teaches us that if you occasionally don't plant anything on that field, the soil recovers and you'll be able to plant your plants there again. That's the Earth during Moon route: While there was nothing growing on it, the soil has recovered a bit, so Aurora can grow there again. Notice the "a bit" part. There's only room for one more try, a last chance. There won't be any parallel worlds this time. I hope that helps. I'm sorry for all of these (vague) questions. I really want to formulate these questions better, but it is so confusing for me I can't. I really want to know more about the answers, because this was my first visual novel ever and I loved it soooooo much! I want to understand the story as best as possible. I'm feeling to miss something if I don't get the end of this story. Well, I get that feeling. Rewrite is one of those stories where many things weren't made clear by the authors. But that means we can look for those answers and think more about the story and discuss those riddles, which I consider to be really fun! (Even though there are questions which we'll never be able to answer for sure due to too little info.) So feel free to ask away ^^ |
Naoki-SatenJan 30, 2014 4:27 PM
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Naoki-Saten said: As far as I know, Terra route was the ONLY instance where Kotarou ever decided to NOT attack the Key when it first emerged in the Kazamatsuri forest. Because usually, his training in Guardian urged him to try and destroy the key, http://puu.sh/6Edfy.jpg which resulted in him getting his head bashed in, saved by Kotori by getting turned into a half-familiar, getting amnesia coma pills and waking up almost 10 years later. However, that note of "I hope to see you again, someday" pretty much programmed Terra Kotarou to love Kagari. Therefore, he could resist his Hunter instincts and let her go instead, because he felt she's something precious to him. http://puu.sh/6Edss.jpg Ahl, I see! To be clear, you are talking about Kotarou being in Guardian BEFORE the routes? So if I understand right: The common route (and after that the route of the heroines) is AFTER the events of Kotarou being in Guardian. Then Kotarou get's in a coma because of the Key/Kotori and after almost 10 years you can say the common route starts. But! Because of the footnote in Moon, Kotarou get's a feeling of something precious when he sees Kagari. So this is the only time he hesitates, and stops attacking her right away. And THATS (!!!???) why a possibility is made for him to save the earth. Also, he later on chose to cooperate with the Key for the same reason. Somewhere around the end of Terra, I believe Kotarou looks back on his accomplishments and thinks about what made him fight so hard and do the things he's done. And he arrives at the answer that he did not do it for grand goals like saving the world. Instead, he did it all for Kagari's sake because he loved her. Confirmed. I remember that too! ;) All I can add to the explanations I've already given in previous posts would be something like this: Probably, the memories that Kotarou provided either came too late or they were good enough for Kagari but not good enough for the earth, so salvation triggered anyway. I'm not 100% sure about what "good memories" are, but maybe it helps thinking about what "bad memories" would be defined as? "Bad memories" would be something that urges the earth on to reset all life on the planet. In other words, something is going wrong. Something like Aurora/Life energy being wasted. Two examples come to my mind: - Humans greedily exploiting the planet's resources (destroying forests, causing climate changes) faster than Aurora can regenerate (eventually causing Aurora to dry up until no more life is possible on earth) - wasting life as in creating conflicts where many people die pointlessly and bring sadness and suffering to the living The first point would be explained by the explanations I previously posted. But if you think about the second one, you'll notice that the conflict between Gaia and Guardian was not the only war on earth. There were many more war zones where people suffered and died (Kotarou experienced all that first-hand). Maybe the Earth demanded either all of those wars to cease OR it wished for some kind of proof or, say, a token of HOPE, a reason to believe that all those wars might end someday and humanity won't go on pointlessly killing itself (and dragging the Earth along on its road of doom) Lastly, when I mentioned the children Kotarou saved, I pointed out that the group of those children "It's comprised of both summoners and superhumans who work together." In other words: It's a group of people who have the knowledge and skills to manipulate Aurora BUT they are not using it for killing and harming people and not for their own gain - in other words they don't create "bad memories". Maybe if there were MORE groups like that one, the Earth could have accepted their existence as a "good memory". ...actually, scratch all that. These screenshots say that Kotarou was merely too late: http://puu.sh/6EgeW.jpg http://puu.sh/6EgfP.jpg also, regarding what a "good memory" might be, apart from stopping Gaia and Guardian and all that: http://puu.sh/6EgqM.jpg http://puu.sh/6EgAk.jpg Kotarou mentions "An ideal memory for Kagari... Wouldn't that be the will and the power to carve out a new future? Something the people lost sight of when they started caring for the planet" I agree with you. I thought the same thing that the good memories came because Kagari saw all the hard work Kotarou did (Theory about the children working together, Kotarou making Guardian and Gaia stop the war etc.). Kagari was confinced, but as I recall, Kagari can't change the way the Earth feels. She may be confinced, but the Earth may not yet see the changes. An argument for that could be that the changes Kotarou made would take more than a few years to really see what the world would be because of them. It's a longterm sollution and the results can't be seen in a couple of days. In short: Kagari was confinced, but the Earth not (yet), so salvation still happened. That's why Kotarou had to kill Kagari. At the moment a possibility was made in Moon, Kagari cried. I think that was because she knew Kotarou had to go a difficult and sad route. But also because she knew he had to kill her, because salvation was going to happen eventuelly, because of the difficult problems Kotarou had to change and because the effects of his changes would be visibile in a couple of years which is too late. Salvation would happen earlier. At that point, Kotarou could not live on for much longer because he had exhausted his own life force by Rewriting himself so many times. http://puu.sh/6EfK7.jpg If he did not turn into that tree, he would have simply died due to lack of life force. He COULD live on as a familiar BUT only if there was a summoner to provide him life force. But as we know from Kotori and Shizuru routes, Kotarou, as a familiar needs about as much life force as a normal human. So neither him nor his summoner would be living for long. Thanks for the reminder! Another question regarding this part of your post: Kotarou changed into a tree, it's like "saving" himself from fully dissapearing, the same as Sakuya did. You can say it's the last possible way to save themselves (talking about the rare people who can Rewrite themself). Sakuya also became some kind of tree. I guess that there is some connection between them. Then why did Kagari (Earth) also fused together with Kotarou in the tree after she died? Is that something just for the feels for the readers. Something like the lovers finally being together, bittersweet? I actually think it really was just his wish to see Moon Kagari again as well as his wish for her to not be lonely anymore. After all, she performed the thankless task of developing that theory and finding a path for life to continue. All by herself. She was never rewarded for her work. As for why she reverted to a flower, I think it's because her task is already finished. There's nothing more she can do on the moon. There isn't even any Aurora left there, because it all got sent back to earth. Thanks! Now I think she reverted back to a flower because she was done and reverted back to the most innocent thing on the Earth, a plant/tree (trees stand for live on earth, because of the oxygen they provide). It's like something metaphorical too! Besides that, the small plant was the only life on the Moon. She wanted to use as little aurora on the Moon as possible, because it was as good as out of aurora, so she became a small plant, which doesn't need so much aurora. Earth or the Moon always has some aurora left, just minimal for something like a plant for example. Just like a battery, even if it's out of charge, there is always that small power inside of it after you use it again after a few days/weeks. Imagine Aurora as certain kind of a plant. It needs soil to grow on(obviously). Now imagine a field of those plants. That's the Earth. The plant (Aurora) can grow and thrive because there's "fresh" soil on the field (earth). However, agriculture taught us that if you continue growing the same kind of plant on the same field, it loses minerals that are essential for that plant (since the plant itself consumes them). The plant won't be growing as well anymore and eventually, it won't be able to grow at all. That's the state of the Earth after the 5 girl routes and before Moon route. Agriculture also teaches us that if you occasionally don't plant anything on that field, the soil recovers and you'll be able to plant your plants there again. That's the Earth during Moon route: While there was nothing growing on it, the soil has recovered a bit, so Aurora can grow there again. Notice the "a bit" part. There's only room for one more try, a last chance. There won't be any parallel worlds this time. I understand what you are saying, but now this: During the Moon route, it is said that Kotarou has no clue anymore what the definition of time is. He even says like million years pass, but it's subjective time ofcourse. But still... what is happening OUTSIDE of the "Moon area" Kagari and Kotarou "live" in during Moon on the SAME time? You say the Earths needs rest, after that there would be enough aurora (or soil) to do one more re-evolution. Does that mean that the Earth during Moon is empty of life? Because, how else could the Earth "rest", if the worldlines would be still used for living? ------ Now my last question (for this post haha), and probably one of my biggest issues: WHY is Earth saved in the end of Terra? Even the changes Kotarou made which made humanity make good use of aurora and stop using as much recources from the Earth as before, than still the earth's energy (aurora) would deplete in the end? Which sollution did Kotarou make to keep that from happening in the future? And the verrry verry last question for now is a very blunt question which you probably can't answer... Is there a possibility for another Key to appear in the future? If so... that would make Kotarou's hard work for nothing, but that would also mean that Earth's energy is almost depleted. So I guess both last questions could be combined as one. ------ Naoki-Saten, thank you so far for everything you've helped me with! First I didn't like the confusion, but you are right, this is fun to discover. I'm sure that in the end it will give me a much better opinion about Rewrite's world, just like it did after I did research on Clannad. I hope again that you will answer my questions, I really appreciate what you do! :) Take your time, I'm not in a rush. |
Ruben_Jb said: Ahl, I see! To be clear, you are talking about Kotarou being in Guardian BEFORE the routes? So if I understand right: The common route (and after that the route of the heroines) is AFTER the events of Kotarou being in Guardian. Then Kotarou get's in a coma because of the Key/Kotori and after almost 10 years you can say the common route starts. Yes, pretty much. Have you tried going for the options of trying to "Destroy" or "Capture" the key? The narration that follows is pretty obvious. But! Because of the footnote in Moon, Kotarou get's a feeling of something precious when he sees Kagari. So this is the only time he hesitates, and stops attacking her right away. And THATS (!!!???) why a possibility is made for him to save the earth. Yes. It's actually something that's sometimes criticized about Terra route, because some of Terra Kotarou's acts are 'programmed' rather than derived from his own free will. I agree with you. I thought the same thing that the good memories came because Kagari saw all the hard work Kotarou did (Theory about the children working together, Kotarou making Guardian and Gaia stop the war etc.). Kagari was confinced, but as I recall, Kagari can't change the way the Earth feels. She may be confinced, but the Earth may not yet see the changes. An argument for that could be that the changes Kotarou made would take more than a few years to really see what the world would be because of them. It's a longterm sollution and the results can't be seen in a couple of days. In short: Kagari was confinced, but the Earth not (yet), so salvation still happened. That's why Kotarou had to kill Kagari. There's something I'd like to add. Something that I noticed yesterday when making screenshots. Something that might answer one of your later questions. Take a look at this: http://puu.sh/6EgAk (I'll quote the important lines anyway in case the pic gets deleted someday later) "The ideal memory for Kagari... Wouldn't that be the will and the power to carve out a new future? Something humanity gave up on." <- Humanity didn't manage to stop things wars and the global warming. It gave up, because they profit more if they let it happen. It gets more interesting after this. "Something the people lost sight of when they started caring for the planet." <- Guardian or Gaia were solely centered around the existence of the Key (in other words, the planet's will). Neither of them thought about how to solve the problem, as in, finding a way for humanity to somehow live on. For example, do something that would prevent the Earth from wanting to wipe out all humans. BUT that's not the only way... "Even if it means devouring our Mother Earth... We have to expand." <- Now, survival of humanity takes priority over survival of the Earth. But that's actually not possible, because if the earth dies, so will humanity... or so you might think, HOWEVER: "Because... Kagari's expression is so kind. Because... She looks like a mother watching her children go off into the world--- " <- The earth wants to save itself, therefore it sends out Kagari. If Kagari sees no way for the Earth to survive, she has to activate the salvation. On the other hand, what Kagari herself wants is not the survival of the earth. It's the survival of humanity, even if the earth itself dies in the process. Kotarou provided EXACTLY the solution that Kagari wanted to see (but the earth wouldn't like it). Firstly, Gaia and Guardian are no more. No more conflicts with Life force as a weapon. Secondly, the partial salvation has destroyed a lot of technology and killed many people. Humans cannot rely on environment-damaging technology anymore. But it's ok, because the kids Kotarou saved have published the techniques of using Life Force. Life force usage will replace technology. Not only will the humans exhaust far less resources of the earth (and deplete aurora), but they'll use their own lives for the sake of making their lives easier, thereby shortening them, so they'll exhaust even less of the earth's resources. That will delay the Earth's end (notice how the problem is not solved yet). Thirdly, in a times of such a crisis, chances are that there won't be any big conflicts or wars for a whole while. Simply surviving will take priority. That should reduce the "bad memories" Finally, the reborn familiar Kotarou (also known as Pochi), will be able to take all surviving humans to a far-off planet where they can start a new life. http://puu.sh/6Fn74.jpg The Earth might or might not die, at least the chances are way better without humanity around, but Humanity will definitely be able to survive on a whole new planet (with fresh 'soil' for Aurora to thrive!). And that's what matters most to Kagari. For humanity to survive on its own and... be happy, I guess? Remember how Kagari's theory was not about Earth to survive, but "life to continue". In other words, for some part of the Aurora that would be going back to the Earth to keep expanding and thrive. It does not actually have to take place on Earth! Thanks for the reminder! Another question regarding this part of your post: Kotarou changed into a tree, it's like "saving" himself from fully dissapearing, the same as Sakuya did. You can say it's the last possible way to save themselves (talking about the rare people who can Rewrite themself). Sakuya also became some kind of tree. I guess that there is some connection between them. Then why did Kagari (Earth) also fused together with Kotarou in the tree after she died? Is that something just for the feels for the readers. Something like the lovers finally being together, bittersweet? During Shizuru's and Akane's routes, Kagari also turned into a tree. In Shizuru's route, by the time Kagari turned into a tree, the Salvation was already in its final phase and therefore impossible to prevent even if you destroyed the tree. In Akane's route, Kagari began turning into a tree after being "assassinated" by a Guardian agent. She was "dead", but not destroyed and her corpse, which was the tree, could still be used to activate Salvation, which is what Akane did. SO, since Kotarou and Kagari can both become trees when "dying", they might as well become trees together, right? And they were hugging just before, so why not? Thanks! Now I think she reverted back to a flower because she was done and reverted back to the most innocent thing on the Earth, a plant/tree (trees stand for live on earth, because of the oxygen they provide). It's like something metaphorical too! Besides that, the small plant was the only life on the Moon. She wanted to use as little aurora on the Moon as possible, because it was as good as out of aurora, so she became a small plant, which doesn't need so much aurora. Earth or the Moon always has some aurora left, just minimal for something like a plant for example. Just like a battery, even if it's out of charge, there is always that small power inside of it after you use it again after a few days/weeks. Small plant, symbol of life, not needing much Aurora... good points ^^ I understand what you are saying, but now this: During the Moon route, it is said that Kotarou has no clue anymore what the definition of time is. He even says like million years pass, but it's subjective time ofcourse. But still... what is happening OUTSIDE of the "Moon area" Kagari and Kotarou "live" in during Moon on the SAME time? You say the Earths needs rest, after that there would be enough aurora (or soil) to do one more re-evolution. Does that mean that the Earth during Moon is empty of life? Because, how else could the Earth "rest", if the worldlines would be still used for living? That's exactly it. The earth had exhausted all Aurora, all life ended. The earth became the life-destroying poison desert pictured during Lucia's route. By the time Moon began, however, the earth has recovered. So it's not poisonous anymore. It's just a planet devoid of life (because there's no Aurora), but life can thrive there as long as the planet gets some Aurora. Now my last question (for this post haha), and probably one of my biggest issues: WHY is Earth saved in the end of Terra? Even the changes Kotarou made which made humanity make good use of aurora and stop using as much recources from the Earth as before, than still the earth's energy (aurora) would deplete in the end? Which sollution did Kotarou make to keep that from happening in the future? And the verrry verry last question for now is a very blunt question which you probably can't answer... Is there a possibility for another Key to appear in the future? If so... that would make Kotarou's hard work for nothing, but that would also mean that Earth's energy is almost depleted. So I guess both last questions could be combined as one. I hope the "last" question could be answered by one of the explanations above. As for the "verrry verry last question", I can only speculate. I guess that the Earth won't send another Key, since by the point it'll be time to send a new one, all Aurora might already be gone. But, after Kotarou takes Humanity to a faraway planet and they expand there, a new Key will emerge if the planet has a reason of sending out a familiar. It may be to enact salvation because stupid humans forgot their lesson and started new wars (lol), but there might also be a whole different reason. Moon Kagari is the Moon's familiar. Her task was not activating salvation, but developing a theory and finding a path for life to continue. Who knows what task the new planet might give its familiar, if it ever creates one? Take your time, I'm not in a rush. You can't imagine the amount of willpower it would take me to resist the urge of jumping at my keyboard and typing away some Texts about Rewrite. Even though I should be doing more important (RL) things right now... xD I guess discussing interesting stuff is just THAT important to me ^^ |
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Yes, pretty much. Have you tried going for the options of trying to "Destroy" or "Capture" the key? The narration that follows is pretty obvious. Yes, I chose the bad options first, then the good option. Indeed, it's pretty obvious. Yes. It's actually something that's sometimes criticized about Terra route, because some of Terra Kotarou's acts are 'programmed' rather than derived from his own free will. Personally, I would think not "some" of Terra Kotarou's acts are programmed, but every act, with the exception of one. That one exception is the scene where he sees Kagari for the first time, on the power spot in the forrest. This is the only option with more than one possible choice. I think that this is done not only to show the reader the bad-end and clear things up, but also some kind of deep thought about it. It's like Kagari is giving Kotarou in this timeline the only choice he can decide all by himself: to destruct Kagari, and ending everything before everything get's hard for him, or letting her alive and the hardships Kotarou has to deal with from now on. Because this was highly subjective to Kotarou, because of love and affection to her, Kagari showed her emotion in this way.... Also mind that "love" is in the very deep core of life (remember the red ball of light in Moon when Kotarou was rewriting his mind and came to the meaning of life). <- Guardian or Gaia were solely centered around the existence of the Key (in other words, the planet's will). Neither of them thought about how to solve the problem, as in, finding a way for humanity to somehow live on. For example, do something that would prevent the Earth from wanting to wipe out all humans. Well that's interesting. Never thought about that. I think you're right! On the other hand, what Kagari herself wants is not the survival of the earth. It's the survival of humanity, even if the earth itself dies in the process. To make this clear, do we both acknowledge the two sides of Kagari: Kagari1 is Kagari's "personality" where she develops emotion and she cares for humanity. She wants humanity to survive. Kagari2 is Kagari's inner side. She is the core of the Earth. Kagari2 works subconsciously with Kagari1. What I'm meaning is, Kagari2 is making salvation reality. So I could say Kagari has two sides, who are opposing each other in her "life". Kagari1 wants humanity to survive, Kagari2 wants Earth to survive. Kagari1 sees the good memories Kotarou made, but it's too late because Kagari2 could not see the good memories directly, but it would only be able to see on longterm situation. But that was too late. So salvation happened. Only to stop salvation, Kotarou had to kill Kagari1 + Kagari2. Secondly, the partial salvation has destroyed a lot of technology and killed many people. Humans cannot rely on environment-damaging technology anymore. But it's ok, because the kids Kotarou saved have published the techniques of using Life Force. Life force usage will replace technology. Not only will the humans exhaust far less resources of the earth (and deplete aurora), but they'll use their own lives for the sake of making their lives easier, thereby shortening them, so they'll exhaust even less of the earth's resources. That will delay the Earth's end (notice how the problem is not solved yet). Take this quote with your picture: http://puu.sh/6EgAk Kagari says "... you should've done this sooner." Does she mean killing her, or giving her good memories. If it's killing her, than I would say the following: You are saying that the partial salvation destroyed technology and such, so people use life force to replace it, etc etc. If Kagari says Kotarou should've killed Kagari sooner, than salvation wouldn't have probably even started. Now I'm thinking that it's the best that salvation happened for even a bit so there was a real purpose for the new information about aurora to the people. I'm sorry, do you get what I am saying? I now know that Key really has more depth to it's dialogue, and I want to decipher some. :) The Earth might or might not die, at least the chances are way better without humanity around, but Humanity will definitely be able to survive on a whole new planet (with fresh 'soil' for Aurora to thrive!). And that's what matters most to Kagari. For humanity to survive on its own and... be happy, I guess? Remember how Kagari's theory was not about Earth to survive, but "life to continue". In other words, for some part of the Aurora that would be going back to the Earth to keep expanding and thrive. It does not actually have to take place on Earth! I'm kinda with you in this theory, but something still doesn't feel right in my heart (:P). I'm sure Kagari1 want's humanity to live on, but do you have any more screenshots or prove that implies Kagari wants humanity to move to another planet when the Earth will dry out? I know that Kotarou has now the ability to take people to a far-away planet, but can you tell me what's the point of traveling to a new planet, if there is almost no aurora on the planet anymore to take to the new planet? HOW can the new planet provide itself with aurora? Note: Kotarou says that many manyyyyy contracts are needed with Kotarou to let him be able to take humanity to a new place. I guess this part of my comment is contradicting my own question, a bit. During Shizuru's and Akane's routes, Kagari also turned into a tree. In Shizuru's route, by the time Kagari turned into a tree, the Salvation was already in its final phase and therefore impossible to prevent even if you destroyed the tree. In Akane's route, Kagari began turning into a tree after being "assassinated" by a Guardian agent. She was "dead", but not destroyed and her corpse, which was the tree, could still be used to activate Salvation, which is what Akane did. SO, since Kotarou and Kagari can both become trees when "dying", they might as well become trees together, right? And they were hugging just before, so why not? Thanks. I forgot about the part that salvation still happened even when the tree was killed. I'm happy about them becoming a tree together because they were hugging when they died. Seems totally something for a Key's story. Now please read this: http://www.universeofsymbolism.com/tree-symbolism.html I remembered reading something (NOT this link above) about old-Japanese tales about trees being able to contain some sort of life (youkai). That's why in those tales they worshipped trees as Gods. Trees with youkai inside it (The kodama in this case) were VERY LARGE trees and a lot of life (trees, animals, plants) surrounded them. I see very much similarity in what I just told with Kotarou and Kagari being a large tree. You could say Kagari and Kotarou are some kind of kodama (ko = tree and dama = ghost). And around the tree would be more vegitation, I guess. Also, it's really LARGE! Together with the link I just posted, I think we have a very strong case of a deeper meaning about the tree. You could say it's a clear reason why Key chose for a tree, and not something else. In the link you also see different types of trees with it's meaning. It would be hell awesome if we would be sertain which kind of tree KagariKotarou are in the real world, and it's connection between the meaning and the tree. Extra: For Sakuya (looks like the word Sakura = Cherry blossom) the meaning about him being a cherry blossom tree and him dissapearing (after his death) with leaving a few cherry blossom petals is very likely related to the following: "Japanese Cherry Blossom For the Japanese the cherry blossom holds very different meaning. The cherry blossom is a very delicate flower that blooms for a very short time. For the Japanese this represents the transience of life. This concept ties in very deeply with the fundamental teachings of Buddhism that state all life is suffering and transitory. The Japanese have long held strong to the Buddhist belief of the transitory nature of life and it is very noble to not get too attached to a particular outcome or not become emotional because it will all pass in time. The fallen cherry blossom is not taken lightly in Japanese symbolism either. It often represents the beauty of snow and there are many connections made in Japanese literature or poetry to a fallen cherry blossom and snow. This also has been extended to the life of a warrior whose life was ended early in battle." That's exactly it. The earth had exhausted all Aurora, all life ended. The earth became the life-destroying poison desert pictured during Lucia's route. By the time Moon began, however, the earth has recovered. So it's not poisonous anymore. It's just a planet devoid of life (because there's no Aurora), but life can thrive there as long as the planet gets some Aurora. Can you give me more of your thoughts about the time where Moon is happening? I can think about different possibilities: A: It is really like that after the last heroine route, ALL LIFE on Earth is gone, and Moon "starts". or B: Moon's route is happening for like already million (or more, or less) years in human time. So I mean, Moon is happening while all other routes are happening at the same time (even timelines which aren't in the VN). But (!!!) Kotarou is summoned by Kagari (Moon) at SOME point in all these years where she is alone to help her. or C: Moon's route is happening for like already million (or more, or less) years in human time. BUT (!!!) Kotarou was ALWAYS there, from the beginning, even when he was in all timelines on Earth. Thus this creates some really difficult thought for human people like us to comprehend. To answer A, B or C I think maybe something has to be said about the "subjective time" they are talking about in the VN, many times. < Trying to help you formulate your thoughts about this. As for the "verrry verry last question", I can only speculate. I guess that the Earth won't send another Key, since by the point it'll be time to send a new one, all Aurora might already be gone. But, after Kotarou takes Humanity to a faraway planet and they expand there, a new Key will emerge if the planet has a reason of sending out a familiar. It may be to enact salvation because stupid humans forgot their lesson and started new wars (lol), but there might also be a whole different reason. Moon Kagari is the Moon's familiar. Her task was not activating salvation, but developing a theory and finding a path for life to continue. Who knows what task the new planet might give its familiar, if it ever creates one? That's a very nice speculation from you! I would like to copy paste your speculation in my own mind haha. You can't imagine the amount of willpower it would take me to resist the urge of jumping at my keyboard and typing away some Texts about Rewrite. Even though I should be doing more important (RL) things right now... xD I guess discussing interesting stuff is just THAT important to me ^^ Great! It's very nice to make things clear more up. I couldn't answer your post earlier, because it takes some time to think about my answers and questions to you and I also have IRL things to do :P I wanted to say it's really nice to have this discussion with you. First, it was only me giving you questions. It still is now, but it's been rolling more into a discussion and that's really much fun! ^^ Normally, I don't put much heart into asking stuff and discussions on anime-related things, but this is a great exception since I first came here in this topic. Secretly, I even hope that my thoughts even enlighten some of your thoughts and give a new meaning to some aspects of this story. That's what discussions are for, right? Also, this isn't just for us. This topic will give every VN reader more answers about these questions, and could probably help anime-only watchers (if there ever would be an anime adaption, however). You... so far, have improved my opinion about Rewrite in a very good way. Rewrite became my favorite anime-related story ever. I'm still considering Clannad to be on numbre one (you should imagine my top 5 on MAL with Rewrite inside of it, even though it's a VN) because it's so hard to give this spot to Rewrite. Not that Rewrite isn't worth it, but my loyalty and passion for Clannad was (and still is) very high. So it would mentally be very hard to give Rewrite a numbre one spot, you know what I'm saying? XD I would definitily say Clannad (anime, didn't play VN) was on some points more heartbreaking, but Rewrite in it's overall had for me EVERYTHING: Feels, story, some horror, gore, supernatural, powers, comedy together with relativily much action. That's just wicked in my opinion! Do you recognize the way what mostly happens with romance and action in one story? Imo the action would affect the romance in a bad way, or on the other way around. Rewrite is the exception of this "rule". ------ Good luck with your next post! :D If we are almost done talking about this, we could even have some discussion about the lyrics from songs in Rewrite, to start with the last ED, which has plot inside of it. I think a lot of OST's from Rewrite (like many songs from anime/VN) have a meaning behind it. |
Ruben_Jb said: Secondly, the partial salvation has destroyed a lot of technology and killed many people. Humans cannot rely on environment-damaging technology anymore. But it's ok, because the kids Kotarou saved have published the techniques of using Life Force. Life force usage will replace technology. Not only will the humans exhaust far less resources of the earth (and deplete aurora), but they'll use their own lives for the sake of making their lives easier, thereby shortening them, so they'll exhaust even less of the earth's resources. That will delay the Earth's end (notice how the problem is not solved yet). Take this quote with your picture: http://puu.sh/6EgAk Kagari says "... you should've done this sooner." Does she mean killing her, or giving her good memories. If it's killing her, than I would say the following: You are saying that the partial salvation destroyed technology and such, so people use life force to replace it, etc etc. If Kagari says Kotarou should've killed Kagari sooner, than salvation wouldn't have probably even started. Now I'm thinking that it's the best that salvation happened for even a bit so there was a real purpose for the new information about aurora to the people. I'm sorry, do you get what I am saying? I now know that Key really has more depth to it's dialogue, and I want to decipher some. :) I think that while the partial salvation did encourage humans a lot to make use of the life force techniques, it doesn't mean they wouldn't use them if salvation never happened. If you think back about Akane route, you might remember that at some point, during one of Kotarou's last talks with Suzaki (vice-chief of Gaia), revealed that he had made preparations to develop techniques/technology that used life force and to make them available to all humans one day. He was already working on a way of decreasing the burden on the planet caused by humans. If they had life force techniques that are more powerful than modern technology (and provides them more luxury), humans would slowly adapt them and make use of them, so the usage of modern technology would decrease. They wouldn't abandon modern technology altogether, though. The Earth might or might not die, at least the chances are way better without humanity around, but Humanity will definitely be able to survive on a whole new planet (with fresh 'soil' for Aurora to thrive!). And that's what matters most to Kagari. For humanity to survive on its own and... be happy, I guess? Remember how Kagari's theory was not about Earth to survive, but "life to continue". In other words, for some part of the Aurora that would be going back to the Earth to keep expanding and thrive. It does not actually have to take place on Earth! I'm kinda with you in this theory, but something still doesn't feel right in my heart (:P). I'm sure Kagari1 want's humanity to live on, but do you have any more screenshots or prove that implies Kagari wants humanity to move to another planet when the Earth will dry out? I know that Kotarou has now the ability to take people to a far-away planet, but can you tell me what's the point of traveling to a new planet, if there is almost no aurora on the planet anymore to take to the new planet? HOW can the new planet provide itself with aurora? Note: Kotarou says that many manyyyyy contracts are needed with Kotarou to let him be able to take humanity to a new place. I guess this part of my comment is contradicting my own question, a bit. I have yet to find a different screenshot that would support that theory... Taking humanity to a faraway planet is absolutely neccessary for humanity's survival, since the Earth will eventually run out of Aurora and die. It definitely will if the humans remain there (I said earlier that the earth might have a chance of survival without the humans around, but I'm beginning to doubt it). (To learn more about the properties of Aurora, consult the memory section articles about Kagari(Earth) and Kagari(Moon) in the game) As for the Aurora, there's actually no problem. Aurora is like a plant, not a set amount of energy that decreases over time. As long as there is fresh soil, Aurora can thrive and multiply. For the same reason, the amount of Aurora that could form a small garden on the moon had sufficed to "restart" the entire evolution of the earth from the beginning up to the point in time where Terra route began. If the Earth had THAT much aurora, it could enact salvation and proceed with re-evolution without a second thought. The whole problem was that the earth did NOT have enough for a re-evolution and its "soil" was bad so that no new Aurora could be produced. While the aurora was on the Moon, the earth was "resting" its "soil" just enough for one last try. So as long as the humans bring some Aurora with them and give it some time to multiply, everything will be fine. Now please read this: http://www.universeofsymbolism.com/tree-symbolism.html I remembered reading something (NOT this link above) about old-Japanese tales about trees being able to contain some sort of life (youkai). That's why in those tales they worshipped trees as Gods. Trees with youkai inside it (The kodama in this case) were VERY LARGE trees and a lot of life (trees, animals, plants) surrounded them. I see very much similarity in what I just told with Kotarou and Kagari being a large tree. You could say Kagari and Kotarou are some kind of kodama (ko = tree and dama = ghost). And around the tree would be more vegitation, I guess. Also, it's really LARGE! Together with the link I just posted, I think we have a very strong case of a deeper meaning about the tree. You could say it's a clear reason why Key chose for a tree, and not something else. In the link you also see different types of trees with it's meaning. It would be hell awesome if we would be sertain which kind of tree KagariKotarou are in the real world, and it's connection between the meaning and the tree. I don't think we could attain absolute certainity, but there is some room for speculation. Also, it's quite possible that they used multiple symbols for the tree. (I'd say Kotarou's and Kagari's combined tree would be the "tree of life".) It's pictured in these screenshots: http://puu.sh/6Itor.jpg http://puu.sh/6ItQ2.jpg The tree is situated on an isle of a small lake in the forest. The "forest" and the "water" of the lake both represent life. The tree grows on top of stone fragments. There are also some stone blocks in the water surrounding it. I think it represents the "resilience" of life, like a plant that grows in the middle of a road, penetrating the concrete. Also, it's not your everyday tree, either. It doesn't have one single stem but many many stems intertwining. Also, I'm reminded of a certain something in the game that has a similar shape: http://puu.sh/6Iu1e.jpg http://puu.sh/6IuQv.jpg http://puu.sh/6IuYr.jpg I think that's enough symbolism to go on for a while with ^^ Can you give me more of your thoughts about the time where Moon is happening? I can think about different possibilities: A: It is really like that after the last heroine route, ALL LIFE on Earth is gone, and Moon "starts". or B: Moon's route is happening for like already million (or more, or less) years in human time. So I mean, Moon is happening while all other routes are happening at the same time (even timelines which aren't in the VN). But (!!!) Kotarou is summoned by Kagari (Moon) at SOME point in all these years where she is alone to help her. or C: Moon's route is happening for like already million (or more, or less) years in human time. BUT (!!!) Kotarou was ALWAYS there, from the beginning, even when he was in all timelines on Earth. Thus this creates some really difficult thought for human people like us to comprehend. To answer A, B or C I think maybe something has to be said about the "subjective time" they are talking about in the VN, many times. < Trying to help you formulate your thoughts about this. I'm pretty sure it's A. The timeline should be something like this: First, there are the 5 regular girl routes. Those are parallel worlds which happen about simultaneously. None of those worlds succeed. In every scenario, no matter if there is salvation or not, the earth runs low of aurora and all life eventually ceases. The remaining Aurora traveled back to the moon, where it settled down, formed the garden and Kagari and eventually Kotarou, produced from the information in the aurora about all previous Kotarous. While the Aurora was on the moon and Kagari worked on the theory, the earth recovered its soil. When the theory was completed, the Aurora traveled back to earth. And in the end, Terra route happened. Great! It's very nice to make things clear more up. I couldn't answer your post earlier, because it takes some time to think about my answers and questions to you and I also have IRL things to do :P I wanted to say it's really nice to have this discussion with you. First, it was only me giving you questions. It still is now, but it's been rolling more into a discussion and that's really much fun! ^^ Normally, I don't put much heart into asking stuff and discussions on anime-related things, but this is a great exception since I first came here in this topic. Secretly, I even hope that my thoughts even enlighten some of your thoughts and give a new meaning to some aspects of this story. That's what discussions are for, right? Yup, discussions are awesome. To be perfectly honest, I joined MAL pretty much for the sole reason of having lots of discussions about anime-related themes ^^ If we are almost done talking about this, we could even have some discussion about the lyrics from songs in Rewrite, to start with the last ED, which has plot inside of it. I think a lot of OST's from Rewrite (like many songs from anime/VN) have a meaning behind it. Nice idea. The good thing about a forum is that you can always open a new thread and discuss new topics there. |
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I think that while the partial salvation did encourage humans a lot to make use of the life force techniques, it doesn't mean they wouldn't use them if salvation never happened. If you think back about Akane route, you might remember that at some point, during one of Kotarou's last talks with Suzaki (vice-chief of Gaia), revealed that he had made preparations to develop techniques/technology that used life force and to make them available to all humans one day. He was already working on a way of decreasing the burden on the planet caused by humans. If they had life force techniques that are more powerful than modern technology (and provides them more luxury), humans would slowly adapt them and make use of them, so the usage of modern technology would decrease. They wouldn't abandon modern technology altogether, though. True, but you could say that the partial salvation caused a huge shock to humanity. It's known that humanity will adapt or change when they experience some sudden tragedy, like salvation. I think that people would understand how to use the aurora in a right way if they first met tragedy. It has more impact on them. I think there is a possibility that wars will occur again between people with aurora, because humanity hasn't been shocked yet (due to no (partial) salvation during Terra). I have yet to find a different screenshot that would support that theory... Taking humanity to a faraway planet is absolutely neccessary for humanity's survival, since the Earth will eventually run out of Aurora and die. It definitely will if the humans remain there (I said earlier that the earth might have a chance of survival without the humans around, but I'm beginning to doubt it). (To learn more about the properties of Aurora, consult the memory section articles about Kagari(Earth) and Kagari(Moon) in the game) As for the Aurora, there's actually no problem. Aurora is like a plant, not a set amount of energy that decreases over time. As long as there is fresh soil, Aurora can thrive and multiply. For the same reason, the amount of Aurora that could form a small garden on the moon had sufficed to "restart" the entire evolution of the earth from the beginning up to the point in time where Terra route began. If the Earth had THAT much aurora, it could enact salvation and proceed with re-evolution without a second thought. The whole problem was that the earth did NOT have enough for a re-evolution and its "soil" was bad so that no new Aurora could be produced. While the aurora was on the Moon, the earth was "resting" its "soil" just enough for one last try. So as long as the humans bring some Aurora with them and give it some time to multiply, everything will be fine. I think my question "how is humanity saved?" is answered by the new ability Kotarou developed after being revived as a familiar by the girls at the end of Terra. Indeed, like you are saying, the Earth will dry out even if they use techniques to reduce the usage of the Earth's energy. So it's neccessary to find a new home, a new world. I guess you are giving me some clearing up about this part of the topic! So you are saying that aurora hasn't run out, but the soil. While the soil (Earth) rested during Moon, aurora taken from the Earth to the Moon could multiply into that garden and eventually taken back to Earth when the soil regained it's strength for one more re-evolution. I think it has been mentioned, but why wouldn't the Moon be good soil for aurora and humanity to live on? To answer this question, I think these images will help you and me: http://i.imgur.com/0JXCGVg.png http://i.imgur.com/gydi4OZ.jpg I can't quite understand the meaning of these texts. I don't think we could attain absolute certainity, but there is some room for speculation. Also, it's quite possible that they used multiple symbols for the tree. (I'd say Kotarou's and Kagari's combined tree would be the "tree of life".) It's pictured in these screenshots: http://puu.sh/6Itor.jpg http://puu.sh/6ItQ2.jpg The tree is situated on an isle of a small lake in the forest. The "forest" and the "water" of the lake both represent life. The tree grows on top of stone fragments. There are also some stone blocks in the water surrounding it. I think it represents the "resilience" of life, like a plant that grows in the middle of a road, penetrating the concrete. Also, it's not your everyday tree, either. It doesn't have one single stem but many many stems intertwining. Also, I'm reminded of a certain something in the game that has a similar shape: http://puu.sh/6Iu1e.jpg http://puu.sh/6IuQv.jpg http://puu.sh/6IuYr.jpg I think that's enough symbolism to go on for a while with ^^ I won't go into this as much as I want, but your speculations are interesting! I think that Kagari can't see that far into the future, because she can see the future of humanity on Earth, or somewhat further than Earth. But not so far as in a place FAR from Earth. --------------- Now I want to tell you something I've discovered (and you probably too), but I thought it was a big eye-opener to me. It's about the lyrics from the ending "Canoe". I've analysed them and I want to further analyse them with you. I would like you to give me feedback on my analysis and add your thoughts. I thought the ED lyrics were misleading, because the journey from Kotarou and the girls to Kagari (Moon) is showed, but the lyrics are about the journey to the new world! Let's see: The boy and the girls wanted to know what lay beyond their little island. This refers to Kotarou and the heroine girls. The island represents the world. I will explain later why I think it is the world, and not the island which is shown on the menu from Rewrite game. They used the trees from the forest to build a tower so high they could see the horizon in all directions. Personally, I think the tower represents the very large tree Kotarou and Kagari became, which was constantly expanding in the direction of the Moon so large. You could help me by explaining why the lyrics say that they used the trees from the forest to build it. I could think the trees represent individuals and the forest is the Earth. But then the earlier asked question still remains. They achieved it while aiming for an unattainable dream. The dream for humanity to continue to live was unattainable. You can fill this in please. His feet were shaking. Was he brave enough? Now he stands at the peak. Implying Kotarou. Him being a tiny bit insecure about the fact he has to take humanity to a new world. He could see far, far across the sea. He spotted a new world beyond it, like an illusion. How could they ever reach that place? The boy decided to build a boat, and cross the sea with it. This is important, the sea the lyrics talk about represents the universe. Humanity has to cross the large distance between the Earth and the new world. The boat let's me think about Noah's Ark. It's not really a boat, but the possibility to travel to a new world. Why? Because of the following lyrics: They needed lots of wood for it, so they cut down the forest one tree at a time. Before long every tree on the island was reduced to a stump. What do you need for a large boat to let many people travel on it? Right, lot's of wood! This is also important, because I think the part about "cutting down the forest one tree at a time" is meaning that the trees (humans) HAVE TO make contracts with Kotarou, or else they wouldn't be able to travel to another world. At least 10.000 contracts are needed to go out of the solar system, as is said in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/AJSr6bk.jpg The lyrics say that before long, the trees were reduced to stumps. A stump is still a remaining of a tree. Because a lot of people needed to make contracts with Kotarou, they reduced their lifespan, thus cutting their lifes (tree to a stump). But something was missing. They needed a mast to hold up the sail. Only one life remained. It was called the mother tree. They cut it down, and began their journey. A mast is important for a boat. It's needed for a sail to let the boat go forwards. What "something" was missing? Kotarou! Because Kotarou is the methaphorical mast in this story, and he would be the leader to their journey to the new world. He would be the captain of the boat. I'm only not sure why they say he's the "only life remained". Your thoughts? Because of this line it makes me think they are talking about someone else. He turned around to see the island shrinking behind him. It looked as if something had ravaged it. We were that something. We who were born into this world. We who did our best to live. This part makes me really think the lyrics are about the point where humanity is goint to a new world, instead of just Kotarou and the girls going to the Moon. Kotarou turns around, and sees that the world is destroyed by "something". Clearly it is saying that "something" is we, humans. Also, this explains why I think the island, which is mentioned also in the beginning of the ED, represents the Earth. They traveled far, far across that sea. The wind filled their huge sail, leading them to a new world. Pretty obvious if the earlier speculation is true. They travelled far across the universe, the sea. Far from the solar system, leading them to a new world. Even if the end comes again someday, I want this to reach you. Vertical lyrics: Find the girl crouching all by herself. I want them to walk up to her... That is my only wish... Kotarou wishes that Kagari sees the future humanity made because of her sollution made during Moon. But the vertical lyrics contradict something. It's talking about "them" as in Kotarou and the girls, walking to the Moon for a visit to Kagari. It mixes two stories at this point: the story of humanity traveling to a new planet and the story of Kotarou and the girls meeting Kagari on the Moon. I want to connect this long, long journey to a hope for the future. Can't think of anything here, because it looks kinde obvious. Maybe you will see something in it. --------- This lyrics prove even more that the biggest sollution is Kotarou being able to take humanity to a new world. The lyrics are practically a flashforward in the future where it actually happens. So there is NO open end to this story, because they will go to a new world. What happens when they are at the new world, however, remains a secret. Let's see what you can tell me! :D Have fun ^^ |
Ruben_JbFeb 3, 2014 11:36 AM
Ruben_Jb said: I think it has been mentioned, but why wouldn't the Moon be good soil for aurora and humanity to live on? To answer this question, I think these images will help you and me: http://i.imgur.com/0JXCGVg.png http://i.imgur.com/gydi4OZ.jpg I can't quite understand the meaning of these texts. Basically, Kotarou laments Moon Kagari's cruel fate while pointing out what a virtuous person she is. There were two twins. Moon Kagari and Earth Kagari (Kotarou likens the Kagaris to the celestial bodies themselves). The Earth was vast and all kinds of life were created there. Earth Kagari had the possibility of witnessing all that life and interacting with its many life forms. The Moon was tiny and Moon Kagari was the only life it could produce (the soil was bad). She has been always been lonely. You could say she was denied all Joys of life. Even so, Moon Kagari was not envious of Earth Kagari, who had so many things Moon Kagari didn't have. But even though the Earth was so bountiful, it faced demise. It failed at creating a possibility of life to continue. Now this is where it gets important: Actually, Moon Kagari could use the remainder of the Earth's Aurora however the heck she wanted. She could have just summoned Kotarou and the Occult Club and have fun with them there until they run out of Aurora and disappear. There were so many things Moon Kagari missed out on because there was no life on the Moon. There would be nothing wrong about taking this chance to enjoy her life a bit. But Moon Kagari did none of that. She spent all her time and effort in order to create a new chance for the Earth. And when that possibility was completed, she sent Kotarou and the others back to the Earth. And she stayed behind, all alone. A wonderful passage ^^ --------------- I thought the ED lyrics were misleading, because the journey from Kotarou and the girls to Kagari (Moon) is showed, but the lyrics are about the journey to the new world! Let's see: --------- This lyrics prove even more that the biggest sollution is Kotarou being able to take humanity to a new world. The lyrics are practically a flashforward in the future where it actually happens. So there is NO open end to this story, because they will go to a new world. What happens when they are at the new world, however, remains a secret. Let's see what you can tell me! :D Have fun ^^ Actually, it seems like I've missed out on something big here. Because I didn't pay much attention to this ending song and its lyrics. The reason being that I don't like songs that aren't really sung, but just rambled on like prosa. To think it was actually an epilogue to the story... After reviewing the ending video, I must say I'm quite impressed. You've found many analogies that I couldn't figure out (Like Kotarou being the mast, or humans being the trees that get reduced to stumps). Let's see what I can find... They used the trees from the forest to build a tower so high they could see the horizon in all directions. Personally, I think the tower represents the very large tree Kotarou and Kagari became, which was constantly expanding in the direction of the Moon so large. You could help me by explaining why the lyrics say that they used the trees from the forest to build it. I could think the trees represent individuals and the forest is the Earth. But then the earlier asked question still remains. They achieved it while aiming for an unattainable dream. The dream for humanity to continue to live was unattainable. You can fill this in please. His feet were shaking. Was he brave enough? Now he stands at the peak. Implying Kotarou. Him being a tiny bit insecure about the fact he has to take humanity to a new world. I think this is referring to Terra route. If I use your analogy of Trees being people, then this passage describes how Kotarou had trampled upon other people's dreams and ideals and spilled lots of blood in order to create a possibility for life to continue (and humanity as a whole to survive). Of course, doing such cruel things wasn't easy for Kotarou. But something was missing. They needed a mast to hold up the sail. Only one life remained. It was called the mother tree. They cut it down, and began their journey. A mast is important for a boat. It's needed for a sail to let the boat go forwards. What "something" was missing? Kotarou! Because Kotarou is the methaphorical mast in this story, and he would be the leader to their journey to the new world. He would be the captain of the boat. I'm only not sure why they say he's the "only life remained". Your thoughts? Because of this line it makes me think they are talking about someone else. This one is tough. Kotarou becoming the mast should be pretty accurate. So what would they have to cut down in order to "extract" Kotarou? I think this one isn't symbolic but rather straightforward. It's what happened in the last scene of Terra: http://puu.sh/6IWZo.jpg http://puu.sh/6IX1t.jpg http://puu.sh/6IXcH.jpg Basically, the girls used Kotarou's tree as material to create familiar Kotarou. (It still doesn't explain the "only one life remained" part) ...and it's confusing, too. Sakuya was created from a single branch of the tree he turned into to survive Salvation. In the end of Chihaya route, crazy Akane used that same tree in order to turn Sakuya into a giant familiar. I also remember Sakuya mentioning that he would die when the tree he was made of dies. But the important part is that his tree didn't get used up just to summon him for the first time. This time, however, the girls act like the tree will disappear or somehow be destroyed when they make a familiar out of it. On the other hand, Kotarou said he's been made out of tree shavings (translation error maybe?'), so what happened with the rest of the tree and why were the girls so cautious about it? It's weird. An alternate explanation would be that the mother tree is Kagari and she needed to be killed in order for humanity to even have the chance of attempting that journey(otherwise they'd be annihilated by salvation). Still weird. I want to connect this long, long journey to a hope for the future. Can't think of anything here, because it looks kinde obvious. Maybe you will see something in it. I don't see any special or deep meaning here, either. Just that Kotarou hopes that all that has happened until now, all the sacrifices that have been made, all the cruelty he had commited would be worth it and that humanity will be able to live on. |
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Basically, Kotarou laments Moon Kagari's cruel fate while pointing out what a virtuous person she is. There were two twins. Moon Kagari and Earth Kagari (Kotarou likens the Kagaris to the celestial bodies themselves). The Earth was vast and all kinds of life were created there. Earth Kagari had the possibility of witnessing all that life and interacting with its many life forms. The Moon was tiny and Moon Kagari was the only life it could produce (the soil was bad). She has been always been lonely. You could say she was denied all Joys of life. Even so, Moon Kagari was not envious of Earth Kagari, who had so many things Moon Kagari didn't have. But even though the Earth was so bountiful, it faced demise. It failed at creating a possibility of life to continue. Now this is where it gets important: Actually, Moon Kagari could use the remainder of the Earth's Aurora however the heck she wanted. She could have just summoned Kotarou and the Occult Club and have fun with them there until they run out of Aurora and disappear. There were so many things Moon Kagari missed out on because there was no life on the Moon. There would be nothing wrong about taking this chance to enjoy her life a bit. But Moon Kagari did none of that. She spent all her time and effort in order to create a new chance for the Earth. And when that possibility was completed, she sent Kotarou and the others back to the Earth. And she stayed behind, all alone. A wonderful passage ^^ Clear explanation, thank you. Although I want to comment on some parts... Maybe you added those words because it would make telling your explanation easier, but it could be confusing for other readers of this topic. Yes she is lonely, and yes she was denied all joys of life. Kagari (Moon) doesn't have emotions, so she wouldn't feel envy towards the Earth. So Kagari (Moon) helped the Earth because it just was her job. It has been seen in the end of Earth that she began to show some emotion, just as Kagari became something almost human during Terra. And that's because of human interactions. I would say it's very shocking and amazing that during Moonroute Kagari got some kind of emotions solely from Kotarou's appearance. That's love. Actually, it seems like I've missed out on something big here. Because I didn't pay much attention to this ending song and its lyrics. The reason being that I don't like songs that aren't really sung, but just rambled on like prosa. To think it was actually an epilogue to the story... After reviewing the ending video, I must say I'm quite impressed. You've found many analogies that I couldn't figure out (Like Kotarou being the mast, or humans being the trees that get reduced to stumps). Let's see what I can find... Personally, I really like the song. But who cares xD I'm happy I could show you something this time ^^ Before I will continue, do you agree with me that this really is some kind of epilogue, in the future where they (= humanity) really go to another world? And do you agree that the lyrics are not really displaying the images (Kotarou x 5 girls going to visit Kagari Moon)? I thought that to be pretty confusing. I think this is referring to Terra route. If I use your analogy of Trees being people, then this passage describes how Kotarou had trampled upon other people's dreams and ideals and spilled lots of blood in order to create a possibility for life to continue (and humanity as a whole to survive). Of course, doing such cruel things wasn't easy for Kotarou. They used the trees from the forest to build a tower so high they could see the horizon in all directions. They achieved it while aiming for an unattainable dream. His feet were shaking. Was he brave enough? Now he stands at the peak. You're right. That should be fitting because it is the ED for Terra route. Delete my thoughts about the first part on the first line. So do you think the tower kind of symbolizes the "possibility" for life to continue? If you stand on a verrrry large tower, you can see the city (for example) from every point of view. Thus, you can see all different directions you can take = choices = possibilities. This one is tough. Kotarou becoming the mast should be pretty accurate. So what would they have to cut down in order to "extract" Kotarou? I think this one isn't symbolic but rather straightforward. It's what happened in the last scene of Terra: http://puu.sh/6IWZo.jpg http://puu.sh/6IX1t.jpg http://puu.sh/6IXcH.jpg Basically, the girls used Kotarou's tree as material to create familiar Kotarou. (It still doesn't explain the "only one life remained" part) ...and it's confusing, too. Sakuya was created from a single branch of the tree he turned into to survive Salvation. In the end of Chihaya route, crazy Akane used that same tree in order to turn Sakuya into a giant familiar. I also remember Sakuya mentioning that he would die when the tree he was made of dies. But the important part is that his tree didn't get used up just to summon him for the first time. This time, however, the girls act like the tree will disappear or somehow be destroyed when they make a familiar out of it. On the other hand, Kotarou said he's been made out of tree shavings (translation error maybe?'), so what happened with the rest of the tree and why were the girls so cautious about it? It's weird. An alternate explanation would be that the mother tree is Kagari and she needed to be killed in order for humanity to even have the chance of attempting that journey(otherwise they'd be annihilated by salvation). Still weird. But something was missing. They needed a mast to hold up the sail. Only one life remained. It was called the mother tree. They cut it down, and began their journey. That's interesting what you said. I want to comment on your theory, but maybe I found something which would make commenting on you be some time waste. It's far more likely the mother tree and mast are referring to Kagari and the SAIL is referring to Kotarou. Check this picture: http://i.imgur.com/KkrHQHB.png This conversation is showed (if the image is deleted in the future): FYI: The girls and the just summoned Kotarou are talking about if Kotarou could take people to another place, in the universe. Chihaya: Can you fly through the air? Kotarou: Probably. Kotori: I don't see any wings on you. Kotarou: ...I'll grow a sail if I need one. So, Kotarou is the sail in the lyrics I guess. I think we think of the line "one life remained" wrong. You have to think about it as: everyone in the world was ready to go on the journey to the new world, but one life was missing > Kagari. If it is said that Kotarou is summoned from tree shavings, it means the tree is still standing there. Kagari would be inside the tree, right? Now it is the question if they: * Needed to cut the tree (which kills her???) to go on the journey. If they wouldn't, somehow Kagari would prevent them to go on. I really have no clue what is going on here. * Needed to cut the tree (or extract her, not killing her) to let her be the mast. She would not prevent them from going otherwise, but she was needed for the boat to finally take off. * Just wanted her to go with everyone to the new world. But now, if I think again about those lines, and if Kotarou is the sail and Kagari the mast I would think this: There was "something" missing. Missing from what? I think the mast was missing from the boat (canoe = songs name). The sail (Kotarou) was needed to move forwards, but you can't move forward with a sail without a mast. There also was a line in the end of Terra something like "Kagari looked like a mother who saw her children take of into the world". Maybe it will help us with the theory. ------- Now something else, a question popped up for me. I thought it was right that Kotarou got his power at the moment he first saw Kagari (IN EVERY PARALLEL WORLD) and tried to attack her, which lead to Kotarou being heavingly injured. After that, Kotori healed Kotarou with Kagari's power and he went into a coma for +- 10 years. But how strange is it that in Terra, Kotarou got his power before attacking Kagari. Hell, he didn't even attack her because this was the only world he didn't attack her but helped her. Which means he shouldn't have his power. I'm confused... Does it has to do with his many other powers, so only one is missing in Terra's route? Or is this what you call a plothole. I hope not... EDIT: Just saw this on the trivia parts from Sakuya: "Like Kotarou, Sakuya's existence is a response to Kagari's existence; when she is born into the world, someone like Sakuya or Kotarou is born to protect or kill her." - Rewrite Wiki This makes me even more confused and more curious about my earlier question. How did Kotarou exactly aquire his power, and is it true what the lines from the wiki says? |
Ruben_JbFeb 5, 2014 10:44 AM
Ruben_Jb said: Before I will continue, do you agree with me that this really is some kind of epilogue, in the future where they (= humanity) really go to another world? And do you agree that the lyrics are not really displaying the images (Kotarou x 5 girls going to visit Kagari Moon)? I thought that to be pretty confusing. I agree. The song and the pictures diverge because they tell two different stories. The "epilogue" the song tells also summarizes the story of Rewrite - describing what was neccessary in order to find a possibility for life to continue. Thebuilding a tower and a ship is a metaphor on the character's struggle throughout the story. And then they inform you about the obvious fact that humanity is saved by relocating to a distant planet. The pictures, however, bring a closure to the story, showing how Kotarou's wish to visit Moon Kagari comes true (Though we don't know if she ever reverts back from a flower or not). So do you think the tower kind of symbolizes the "possibility" for life to continue? If you stand on a verrrry large tower, you can see the city (for example) from every point of view. Thus, you can see all different directions you can take = choices = possibilities. Indeed. The process of even finding that possibility was quite a struggle. So, Kotarou is the sail in the lyrics I guess. I think we think of the line "one life remained" wrong. You have to think about it as: everyone in the world was ready to go on the journey to the new world, but one life was missing > Kagari. If it is said that Kotarou is summoned from tree shavings, it means the tree is still standing there. Kagari would be inside the tree, right? Now it is the question if they: * Needed to cut the tree (which kills her???) to go on the journey. If they wouldn't, somehow Kagari would prevent them to go on. I really have no clue what is going on here. * Needed to cut the tree (or extract her, not killing her) to let her be the mast. She would not prevent them from going otherwise, but she was needed for the boat to finally take off. * Just wanted her to go with everyone to the new world. I doubt Kagari is going anywhere. She's the Earth's familiar, or, depending on your standpoint, the earth itself. I don't think she can leave the Earth. And as I said, the dialogue of the girls suggests that the tree would be gone if they use it to create a familiar. It's a bit confusing. But now, if I think again about those lines, and if Kotarou is the sail and Kagari the mast I would think this: There was "something" missing. Missing from what? I think the mast was missing from the boat (canoe = songs name). The sail (Kotarou) was needed to move forwards, but you can't move forward with a sail without a mast. There also was a line in the end of Terra something like "Kagari looked like a mother who saw her children take of into the world". Maybe it will help us with the theory. Note how the line is about Kagari sending her children off, not accompanying them. I'm confident that the line meant that Kagari does not insist on keeping humanity on the Earth. If it's good for them to travel to a different planet, then Kagari would proudly send them off with a motherly smile. Now something else, a question popped up for me. I thought it was right that Kotarou got his power at the moment he first saw Kagari (IN EVERY PARALLEL WORLD) and tried to attack her, which lead to Kotarou being heavingly injured. After that, Kotori healed Kotarou with Kagari's power and he went into a coma for +- 10 years. But how strange is it that in Terra, Kotarou got his power before attacking Kagari. Hell, he didn't even attack her because this was the only world he didn't attack her but helped her. Which means he shouldn't have his power. I'm confused... Does it has to do with his many other powers, so only one is missing in Terra's route? Or is this what you call a plothole. I hope not... I don't remember at what point did Kotarou start using Aurora in Terra. It doesn't neccessarily need to be a plothole. Maybe he just used his knowledge from being both a summoner and a superhuman in order to manipulate Aurora. Maybe he got the power by rewriting himself. I mean, at the end of Terra, Kotarou begins to come apart and he sees the Aurora that made him up. He even discovers that comment made by Moon Kotarou of wanting to see Moon Kagari again. EDIT: Just saw this on the trivia parts from Sakuya: "Like Kotarou, Sakuya's existence is a response to Kagari's existence; when she is born into the world, someone like Sakuya or Kotarou is born to protect or kill her." - Rewrite Wiki This makes me even more confused and more curious about my earlier question. How did Kotarou exactly aquire his power, and is it true what the lines from the wiki says? I don't really trust that Rewrite Wiki. Sometimes their info ranges from being inaccurate or just plain guesswork to being utterly and completely wrong. (And don't get me started on the poor grammar). Well, there's always the possibility that the translators wrote something completely different from what the original said, but I seriously doubt that. For example, there's the following info about Shizuru's past: RewriteWiki said: Shizuru's Past: Shizuru lived in a run-down neighborhood with her mother and father, though they were poor, they lived as a happy family. One day when they were returning home from a resturant dinner, their house exploded (Guardian though the house was vacant and used it at a training facility). First and foremost, the house that got blown up sure as hell was NOT theirs. As if Guardian would mistake a house where the family left for a few hours for being vacant and just do random things there. I mean, wtf? Their actual house was still there, and Shizuru's parents continued living there after the incident. Secondly, Guardian was not doing training there. They've been battling some kind of enemy. As you can see in this screenshot, http://puu.sh/6Lmav.jpg they were supposed to give chase to those enemies (who probably caused the explosion in order to escape), but the team leader (Esaka) ordered the squad to save the civilians instead while leaving the task of pursuing the enemy to the pursuit team. |
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| Irrelevant: Good news that I can finally play Rewrite again! Okay back on topic. I'm currently replaying Chihaya's route(For the 5th time) and for those who can't remember the very beginning part of Chihaya's route: http://imgur.com/d8F8n1C Since that's incomplete, I'll type the rest: "... hey, how come... we can't grow... without being tested?" I wonder if the girl on that story is Chihaya or it has something to do with Chihaya's route so can someone enlighten me? |
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Tennouji_ said: Irrelevant: Good news that I can finally play Rewrite again! Congrats, prez! Okay back on topic. I'm currently replaying Chihaya's route(For the 5th time) and for those who can't remember the very beginning part of Chihaya's route: http://imgur.com/d8F8n1C Since that's incomplete, I'll type the rest: "... hey, how come... we can't grow... without being tested?" I wonder if the girl on that story is Chihaya or it has something to do with Chihaya's route so can someone enlighten me? ...too little information. And I don't remember that story ever being referenced again. So I really can't tell. Also, gotta be careful with other sources that say "that story might have been from character X past". Rewrite Wiki mentioned that Gen-san and Esaka-san might have been the ones who attacked Chihaya's home village. Gen-san tells that story when he's about to die in Shizuru's route, because back then, he had to kill a child (that was ten years ago). When I went back to that spot and checked, it said they attacked "a Gaia base in middle east". I doubt a village would count as a Gaia base... |
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Naoki-Saten said: ...too little information. And I don't remember that story ever being referenced again. So I really can't tell. Yeah. That's only mentioned once on the very beginning of Chihaya's route. Naoki-Saten said: Also, gotta be careful with other sources that say "that story might have been from character X past". Rewrite Wiki mentioned that Gen-san and Esaka-san might have been the ones who attacked Chihaya's home village. Gen-san tells that story when he's about to die in Shizuru's route, because back then, he had to kill a child (that was ten years ago). When I went back to that spot and checked, it said they attacked "a Gaia base in middle east". I doubt a village would count as a Gaia base... Most, if not all, certain series' wiki aren't really reliable in the first place as I ain't going there to seek help from my questions(Though honestly I don't have any except the blatant plot-holes... if they are). BTW, I'm quite amazed that no one asked about the endless corridor/hallway or maybe someone already asked about it. Well, if someone might ask it, do you guys think this answers the endless corridor/hallway thing? http://imgur.com/eZC7iYa |
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Tennouji_ said: BTW, I'm quite amazed that no one asked about the endless corridor/hallway or maybe someone already asked about it. Well, if someone might ask it, do you guys think this answers the endless corridor/hallway thing? http://imgur.com/eZC7iYa Umm... I think everyone just gave up on it and accepted it as a plothole. I'll go into detail a bit. First off, is the endless hallway the same thing as the city of stone? If not, why is is endless and why does it take shape of whatever you're currenlty walking through? If it is, why didn't it ever trap people in endless loops in the end of Akane route? Not a single space distortion was reported there. What we know about the endless corridor - it's endless - it's completely closed off from all other sides (there's only the direction you came from and the direction you're heading to) - you can randomly walk in there at random times. You can leave it just as randomly. You can't enter or leave willingly - it's super annoying because it randomly prevented Kotarou and Kotori from escaping at the end of Kotori route What we know about the city of stone: - it's a familiar - it's limited - it's in a different dimension - gaia can reliably access it via certain gateways - you can randomly walk in there at random times. You can leave it just as randomly. You can't enter or leave willingly unless you use the gateways - it's used to store Gaia's familiars which then can be summoned - since it's in a different dimension, you can use it as a shelter when Salvation occurs Another thing... the KEY might be able to either transport people to one of those or close off certain parts of the world similarly to the endless corridor. Because one night when Kagari came for a visit, Kotarou tried to escape his room, but he couldn't open the veranda door nor could he smash the glass. |
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