kuroshiroi said: The best way to make sure that committee as noncontroversial as possible would be to use MAL's staff or at least employ them in an administrative fashion. They should be trustworthy enough. I think the committee, if one is created, should be completely unaware of the other members' identity and that all decisions should be made anonymously (to everybody except MAL's staff, maybe). It might even be possible to randomize the committee that way, just send out 'ballots' in the form of PMs. Anonymousity would probably be a good thing. As for using the staff, it's true that they'd be the natural choice to run the whole thing, so long as they're not the only ones voting. kuroshiroi said: I think I used most of your ideas in the spoiler and incorporated them into the simpler idea and I'm beginning to think that this simpler idea is just that, simpler. There's no fancy coding/math required, no artificial score tampering and I believe more people would agree with the pruning of the top list instead of the alternative. It also feels more fair and less elitist. Point. I guess there is a risk of isolating newcomers and casuals if we do go too heavy into calculus. Simple is generally better so long as it's not gross oversimplification. |
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| Does what you two have been discussing have anything to do with this thread's topic? It seems like to me you have derailed the thread epicly and no matter how productive your debate may be it will be ignored by the people who have the power to carry out your suggestions. Maybe its worth making a new thread with your proposals? |
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Cihan said: I'd say it's related enough, basically grouping franchises/anthologies into one entry. It becomes very related if the admins actually decide to not combine anthologies into one MAL entry, since some of the anthologies are related enough to not warrant different scores.Does what you two have been discussing have anything to do with this thread's topic? It seems like to me you have derailed the thread epicly and no matter how productive your debate may be it will be ignored by the people who have the power to carry out your suggestions. Maybe its worth making a new thread with your proposals? Creating a new thread would probably not accomplish anything, especially since nobody else seems to be joining in anyway. A forum mod may disagree. Then again, this may very well all have been ignored like you suggest. So a new thread might be necessary if there's no reaction; I'll leave that up to Torisunanohokori since it's his suggestion. I do feel that we have sculpted a reasonable solution to an existing problem. |
| I was directed to this thread by a mod in the first place. Actually, better to say that I was told in the KnK forum that there was already a thread for talking about this, the "sequel issue", and this is the one they told me about. I didn't mean to derail the discussion, because I think the anthology issue is pretty closely related in nature to the sequel issue. A new thread might help once we do have a solid proposal. |
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Torisunanohokori said: Alright, the main problem is determining why entries like Shonen Junai/GTO require a vote to decide which one should be used in the top anime list. Assuming that original entries would be used normally then who decides which entries get a vote and which don't? Maybe there should be some kind of public club or something where people can express their objections to which entry is being used. One topic could be created for each disputed franchise where arguments for and against changing the entry can be debated and eventually there could be a vote, handled by MAL's staff. I realize from past experience that not a lot of people will voice their opinions on suggestions, especially here on MAL, but I'm guessing this little change would be controversial enough for people to care.A new thread might help once we do have a solid proposal. |
| A 5-10 year time gap between the end of the prequel and the start of the sequel would be a good benchmark. From there, we probably could go with individual threads. I don't imagine that process being over quickly, though. |
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| I'm telling ya seperated anthology anime being grouped into one entry, and the rules of rating for sequels have nothing to do with each other! This thread's request was simple: The Animatrix is 1 OVA, one DVD, one package, one project, it deserves one MAL entry. Same for hundreds of other anthologies on this site which are already listed as one entry on other sites like ANN, IMDB. Thats it. You guys are talking about some elaborate voting scheme for sequels to maintain a fair system for the Top Rankings. Completely unrelated! Even if my request isnt carried out. Anthologies arent sequels. It doesnt matter if one anime of an anthology gets a higher stat than another, they're often completely unrelated to each other except by some tenuous link of theme or whatnot, so people rating them arent rating them in context of a predecessor or prequel, they're rating just on the merits of the anime they just watched. So I really think you should make another thread for your discussion, otherwise this thread will just confuse the admin/mods/whoever and neither issue will be tackled. |
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| Okay, okay. Like I said, I was directed here by a mod and basically assumed it dealt with the issue of ratings for sequels/related shows. I only glanced over the prior discussion to see if anyone had taken the issue from a statistical angle. But if it is that much of a bother, kuro and I can hash out the last point over pm and then make a separate thread. |
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| nice. I'm glad to see that they've all been put into 1 entry. even if my list did just take a cut.. like 18 entries removed? lets see.. that accounts for 2 the cockpit, 4 sweat punch, 2 neo tokyo, 8 animatrix.. and what are the 2 I'm missing? |
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| You can see the updated list of merges and removals here. |
KinetaDec 21, 2009 3:36 PM
| Yep, it's nice to see this thread's suggestion finally implemented. :) |
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