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Jun 3, 2025 4:46 AM
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Hey guys!
So, it came out. The first official AI anime episode. Purely experimental, so, obviously flawed. I wanted to bring up the flaws, not for the sake of hate, but in hope that it makes this demonstration useful for the next ones.

- Lip syncing : often times I was distracted by the lack of motion from the lips despite the character clearly talking. I assume they tried to generate it. If it's the best current AI lipsyncing tools can do, I think this should be done over the generated videos/images, manually. Not many manual animes have this issue, although it does happen sometimes. Here, it was frankly annoying.

- "flickering" : the AI video field is FASCINATING. Last year, it was impossible to generate a video where characters look consistent. It was like each frame was different. Barely a year later, characters CAN be consistent. BUT... there's still a slight, weird feeling. As if the images didn't fit perfectly together.
This is something that happens sometimes with manual animes. But here, it's consistently here.
Then again, the AI video field goes FAST. As of today, there already are models that have no flickering at all. Sadly for Kaka, these models didn't exist half a year ago, lol.
My point is, for this problem, all we need is better AI video generators.

- Blur : a very common issue with generative AI images is undesired blur. This is due to the generation itself coming out blurry, but also happens when upscaling a generated image. This anime has a LOT of clearly undesired blurs. You can go from a clear, beautiful FHD shot, to another image that looks like it is a softened 360p.
Frankly, most of the time, high-quality generated images are upscaled. It makes the full generation easier on the computer. So it's safe to assume that they made the show low quality, then upscaled it. I'm fine as long as it looks good ; the problem is, making a 20 minutes video, it's impossible today to do that without undesired blurs constantly showing up.

- Soulless : unlike what AI haters say, generated images CAN be expressive. This was not the case of most shots with the characters here. The girls' eyes are lifeless, as if they were bad actors. Again, AI can already do expressions, so I blame the creators on that one.

- Story : the plot itself doesn't matter, it's a demo. But knowing the bias of AIs (with any generative AI model, some things work better than others), I feel like the creators randomly put things that they pulled off into the story, instead of doing the opposite (trying to generate what they needed for their story). For a demo, it's fine. But in a full-blown, real anime, the story should be 100% controlled. I feel like it wasn't the case here.

- lack of characters : honestly, they could have tried. There are lots of shots on the city where we don't see the main characters. They could have made them more lively with background characters. It would be nice, as background crowds are one of the biggest problems with anime shows.


Now, frankly, this had to be done. We needed a first. I'm a huge fan of generative AI ; but I think it's still to soon for commercial purposes.
Things HAVE moved very fast though. AI video now EXISTS. We CAN have consistent shots of several seconds. I think the industry COULD do very interesting thing. But we need to experiment first.

Also, it's not a 0/20. This episode has a nice "fake ending", the full dance of the girls. It looked great. I dare say, one of the best dancing scenes of the industry (still not Top 5 since there's some competition). I loved the shots of the world being erased too. Creative, and beautiful.
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Jun 12, 2025 10:23 AM
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I think AI is a great invention that will eventually shape the future of mankind, especially in terms of aiding medical and disability issues. However it should be no where near the creative field as that is where humanity excels.


You are defiantly in the minority, especially as an anime fan to think AI can be good for animation. AI could 100% ruin the future of human creativity with stupid stuff like “AI Art” which is just brain dead how stuff like that has an actual following.

I agree with all the flaws listed, I think doing stuff like this is cool if it’s just you messing around with AI, but this garbage dump was made and published in the hopes of monetary gain. I’m so hoping this project doesn’t take off any further.
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Jun 12, 2025 11:22 AM
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Unironically one of the best tanpen anime I have seen so far, and the seething GenAI haters are the cherry on top.
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Jun 14, 2025 11:48 AM
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I think AI is a great invention that will eventually shape the future of mankind, especially in terms of aiding medical and disability issues. However it should be no where near the creative field as that is where humanity excels.


You are defiantly in the minority, especially as an anime fan to think AI can be good for animation. AI could 100% ruin the future of human creativity with stupid stuff like “AI Art” which is just brain dead how stuff like that has an actual following.

I agree with all the flaws listed, I think doing stuff like this is cool if it’s just you messing around with AI, but this garbage dump was made and published in the hopes of monetary gain. I’m so hoping this project doesn’t take off any further.
@Yuki_Niji
Lol at the "you are in a minority" as if that mattered.

You complain about AI art, but you can't make the distinction between the two. You can spot MOST of them. But you've already seen art made with AI wthout realizing it. In all likelihood, you've also already complained about a REAL artist because you think it was AI.

AI Art can be terrible... just like non-AI art. In fact, this anime isn't the worst one ever made. If you want to have fun, compare it with the lowest of the low.

BUT!!! I agree this shouldn't be commercialized for now. The tech needs improvement.
Everything changes. Even the happy and funny things eventually disappear. How can I still enjoy this place then?
- Furukawa Nagisa (Clannad)

You have to make a choice. Either you give up on your soul for the sake of science, or you give up on science to save your soul. In my case, the soul was already in pieces.
- Lloyd Asplund (Code Geass)

Do you understand the meaning behind Nunnaly's smile? She can't see or walk. So there are things in this world that she knows she can't do alone. Her smile... is her only way to show gratitude.
- Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)

Death is part of Life.
- ... Me.
Jun 14, 2025 12:02 PM
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@Yuki_Niji
Lol at the "you are in a minority" as if that mattered.

You complain about AI art, but you can't make the distinction between the two. You can spot MOST of them. But you've already seen art made with AI wthout realizing it. In all likelihood, you've also already complained about a REAL artist because you think it was AI.

AI Art can be terrible... just like non-AI art. In fact, this anime isn't the worst one ever made. If you want to have fun, compare it with the lowest of the low.

BUT!!! I agree this shouldn't be commercialized for now. The tech needs improvement.
@Dante012 Bro you’re whole entire counter argument is just made on fabrication and your imagination lmao, there is no need to come back at me after I’m simply just making my own statement while remaining respectful to your own opinions. Im an artist myself so I’m against AI art and animation, simple as that.

Get outta here man. You are a clown if you can’t even just respect others (going against your whole entire bio mental breakdown). Your are here in a community with beliefs and opinion that go against everything the art stands for. You’re essentially walking into a Butchers saying vegan meat is supreme.
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Jun 17, 2025 10:00 PM
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Me? Pointing out the flaws is excellent and all, but there seems to be a lot of focus on AI as a quick solution, so anybody can create art without understanding the limitations of what a computer can do, nor does it discuss why some of the drawbacks were. For example, the video I watched which drew my attention to this project and let me know the director of production thinks an animators time is better spent doing the directing job pointed out that one of the sources of flickering is that lines are passing through lines which stems from the fact AI can't recognize lines like the human eye can. Thus, it should be seen as a tool, not a means to a final product.

The other issue? Comparing AI static images with AI moving images? It's not the same thing in that one requires less rendering and one more, yet the reason behind the blurs is apparently an upscale issue rather than a rendering issue and an issue with the fact -- gasp -- the AI as I said -- can't see lines like the human eye can, and that it's not a static image. It may never be something that can be solved either, which is why it should be seen as a tool rather than something that will ever churn out end game product, aka a tool for cutting down on the artists time rather than a tool to replace them, or a tool for those who aren't artists to provide effectively a sketch of the idea in their head they can't otherwise put forth.

For that?

Well, I still say that there should be a side beside of non-edited versus edited versions to actually show this to be tool rather than something aiming to replace among other things, at least for the artists who aren't just slapping something out without care to quality thinking art for artists sake should be enough to get a hand clap but tht's a whole nother subject.
Jun 19, 2025 6:02 PM
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@Dante012 Bro you’re whole entire counter argument is just made on fabrication and your imagination lmao, there is no need to come back at me after I’m simply just making my own statement while remaining respectful to your own opinions. Im an artist myself so I’m against AI art and animation, simple as that.

Get outta here man. You are a clown if you can’t even just respect others (going against your whole entire bio mental breakdown). Your are here in a community with beliefs and opinion that go against everything the art stands for. You’re essentially walking into a Butchers saying vegan meat is supreme.
@Yuki_Niji It's peak irony for you to call someone else a clown.

Yuki_Niji said:
You are defiantly in the minority, especially as an anime fan to think AI can be good for animation.


Is entirely made up. I know you art nazis are so incredibly arrogant, that you believe nobody can disagree with you, but don't come here claiming your delusions to be fact. Everything Dante012 wrote was correct. Meanwhile you present nothing but sad nonsense, written by a pouty child. Go live in a cave with the other Neanderthals.
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Jun 19, 2025 6:29 PM
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Nucksen said:
@Yuki_Niji It's peak irony for you to call someone else a clown.

Yuki_Niji said:
You are defiantly in the minority, especially as an anime fan to think AI can be good for animation.


Is entirely made up. I know you art nazis are so incredibly arrogant, that you believe nobody can disagree with you, but don't come here claiming your delusions to be fact. Everything Dante012 wrote was correct. Meanwhile you present nothing but sad nonsense, written by a pouty child. Go live in a cave with the other Neanderthals.

Wow there are 2 clowns here. I must have entered the circus

If you took the time to read. I was being respectful, I called them a clown for not being respectful themselves with personal digs while I just have my overall view on the subject (which if you didn’t know, to give your opinion on something someone else said, is called a discussion). If you think AI is good for creative media jobs, then sure go ahead, but one look online will show you that: Yes, you are in the minority, hell one look on MAL can show you that. Anime is literally a media that would die if AI actually took over. Every single person who has worked on your 10 favourite anime would call you a clown. Satoshi Kon is rolling in his grave right now that you have this opinion, yet have one of his works favourited.
Yuki_NijiJun 19, 2025 7:25 PM
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Jun 23, 2025 10:13 AM
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Nucksen said:
@Yuki_Niji It's peak irony for you to call someone else a clown.

Yuki_Niji said:
You are defiantly in the minority, especially as an anime fan to think AI can be good for animation.


Is entirely made up. I know you art nazis are so incredibly arrogant, that you believe nobody can disagree with you, but don't come here claiming your delusions to be fact. Everything Dante012 wrote was correct. Meanwhile you present nothing but sad nonsense, written by a pouty child. Go live in a cave with the other Neanderthals.

Wow there are 2 clowns here. I must have entered the circus

If you took the time to read. I was being respectful, I called them a clown for not being respectful themselves with personal digs while I just have my overall view on the subject (which if you didn’t know, to give your opinion on something someone else said, is called a discussion). If you think AI is good for creative media jobs, then sure go ahead, but one look online will show you that: Yes, you are in the minority, hell one look on MAL can show you that. Anime is literally a media that would die if AI actually took over. Every single person who has worked on your 10 favourite anime would call you a clown. Satoshi Kon is rolling in his grave right now that you have this opinion, yet have one of his works favourited.
@Yuki_Niji Everything you wrote was incorrect. Again. At this point, the only explanation for your behavior is severe mental illness. Nobody in their right would believe, that calling someone a clown is respectful, especially in response to a perceived "dig", that literally doesn't exist. Seek therapy, get medicated, get educated, go outside for once and be better, because right now, you're the equivalent of the schizophrenic hobo down the street who throws his feces at people and hasn't talked normally to a non-imagined person in a decade.
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Jun 23, 2025 10:22 AM

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@Yuki_Niji Everything you wrote was incorrect. Again. At this point, the only explanation for your behavior is severe mental illness. Nobody in their right would believe, that calling someone a clown is respectful, especially in response to a perceived "dig", that literally doesn't exist. Seek therapy, get medicated, get educated, go outside for once and be better, because right now, you're the equivalent of the schizophrenic hobo down the street who throws his feces at people and hasn't talked normally to a non-imagined person in a decade.
@Nucksen bro do you use AI to read or something? You ain’t getting the message here or you just didn’t read my message. Read goddamn it! It’s not hard to do.

I’ve already reported you for simple uses of harmful terms so I’ll just let the mods deal with you as you clearly aren’t capable of human conversations.
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Jun 23, 2025 11:31 PM
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@Yuki_Niji : Dude, what did I say that was disrespectful? "Lol"? THAT'S what triggered you?
Meanwhile, you call AI art "braindead" and OF COURSE you think that is respectful.... Don't get me wrong, I don't mind what words you use, but then don't talk about respect. I didn't insult you directly. Unlike you now.

Anyway.

You say "AI art is terrible", I reply "normal art can be just as terrible" and even point out that the lowest ranked anime shows, made by humans for humans, are even worse than this AI anime show. How is that "fabrication"?

Or maybe you meant my referring to your attacking normal artists thinking they're using AI? Maybe YOU did not do it specifically.... but it does happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1d_S7S5cA
Everything changes. Even the happy and funny things eventually disappear. How can I still enjoy this place then?
- Furukawa Nagisa (Clannad)

You have to make a choice. Either you give up on your soul for the sake of science, or you give up on science to save your soul. In my case, the soul was already in pieces.
- Lloyd Asplund (Code Geass)

Do you understand the meaning behind Nunnaly's smile? She can't see or walk. So there are things in this world that she knows she can't do alone. Her smile... is her only way to show gratitude.
- Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)

Death is part of Life.
- ... Me.
Jun 30, 2025 1:47 AM
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@Yuki_Niji : Dude, what did I say that was disrespectful? "Lol"? THAT'S what triggered you?
Meanwhile, you call AI art "braindead" and OF COURSE you think that is respectful.... Don't get me wrong, I don't mind what words you use, but then don't talk about respect. I didn't insult you directly. Unlike you now.

Anyway.

You say "AI art is terrible", I reply "normal art can be just as terrible" and even point out that the lowest ranked anime shows, made by humans for humans, are even worse than this AI anime show. How is that "fabrication"?

Or maybe you meant my referring to your attacking normal artists thinking they're using AI? Maybe YOU did not do it specifically.... but it does happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1d_S7S5cA
@Dante012 - Your reply reminds me of a video I watched recently, where someone conducted an experiment presenting people with the work of an abstract artist and an AI-generated artwork, and asked them why one had merit and not the other. Those against AI art debated the artistic merit of the former, arguing that it had artistic merit, while the latter did not.

Then?

They revealed that both pictures were actually AI-generated. Still, the abstract artist is one whose work has been the subject of significant debate about whether it actually possesses artistic merit.

To this?

How many people here in the US and perhaps even other countries like Canada and Great Britain are artists because of artistic merit rather than because they're creating something that appeals to the average audience rather than the snooty artist types? That was the conclusion that the person who is studying AI came to.

And I couldn't help but notice the one they announced as being AI from the start was nicer aesthetically than the one that emulated the abstract artist.

Which I understand, given the issues with scraping copyrighted images without the original creators' consent, as that's definitely a major fair use issue. However, as you said in your reply, name-calling isn't being respectful.

Of course, these same people who resort to name-calling have also bullied a friend of mine who is super creative but physically disabled, and because of that disability, can't render quality art of their characters without AI art, yet wants to share freely what they see in their head in as quality of a manner as possible to those who take the time to read their fanfics.

However, I would also like to point out that they repeatedly bring up AI art in a discussion about AI animation as if they're even remotely the same process.

Me? I've watched a video of Miyazaki Hayao painstaking process of drawing animation completely by hand, and the amount of time and effort it took to get a single project done. I watched as his son took the time to become educated in digital animation drawing, so he could bring the process to Studio Ghibli, bringing it into a new age and allowing the studio to create its animations in a less painstaking manner when possible. To act as if those who care about the craft would use AI unethically is honestly presumptuous and outright ignores the fact that Japan views animation as a cultural art form, unlike here in the US, where it's often treated as a less-than medium.

So, yes, while there are studios like this one, which certainly have a very Westernized view on where AI animation will take things -- aka, a non-animator claiming this frees up animators for non-animation positions, to say this is true for the entire industry in a country where for an artist the ultimate goal is to become a cultural icon for their art? That doesn't make sense, but with Anime and Manga being notorious for overworking their artists to meet pressing deadlines without, if possible, decreasing in quality?

Anyways, those were my thoughts when you brought your point up again, that "normal art can be just as terrible" because it's very true. But then, it seems here in the US, the artistic merit is far more critical than the quality of the artwork, and certain artists are not understanding why they're losing their jobs after producing low-quality work and/or getting so fixated on getting their way that they forget companies can go to say Canada or Great Britian for talent instead. And in the process artists who do care about their fans and the quality of their work are made to suffer.
Jul 1, 2025 6:36 AM
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@Dante012 - Your reply reminds me of a video I watched recently, where someone conducted an experiment presenting people with the work of an abstract artist and an AI-generated artwork, and asked them why one had merit and not the other. Those against AI art debated the artistic merit of the former, arguing that it had artistic merit, while the latter did not.

Then?

They revealed that both pictures were actually AI-generated. Still, the abstract artist is one whose work has been the subject of significant debate about whether it actually possesses artistic merit.

To this?

How many people here in the US and perhaps even other countries like Canada and Great Britain are artists because of artistic merit rather than because they're creating something that appeals to the average audience rather than the snooty artist types? That was the conclusion that the person who is studying AI came to.

And I couldn't help but notice the one they announced as being AI from the start was nicer aesthetically than the one that emulated the abstract artist.

Which I understand, given the issues with scraping copyrighted images without the original creators' consent, as that's definitely a major fair use issue. However, as you said in your reply, name-calling isn't being respectful.

Of course, these same people who resort to name-calling have also bullied a friend of mine who is super creative but physically disabled, and because of that disability, can't render quality art of their characters without AI art, yet wants to share freely what they see in their head in as quality of a manner as possible to those who take the time to read their fanfics.

However, I would also like to point out that they repeatedly bring up AI art in a discussion about AI animation as if they're even remotely the same process.

Me? I've watched a video of Miyazaki Hayao painstaking process of drawing animation completely by hand, and the amount of time and effort it took to get a single project done. I watched as his son took the time to become educated in digital animation drawing, so he could bring the process to Studio Ghibli, bringing it into a new age and allowing the studio to create its animations in a less painstaking manner when possible. To act as if those who care about the craft would use AI unethically is honestly presumptuous and outright ignores the fact that Japan views animation as a cultural art form, unlike here in the US, where it's often treated as a less-than medium.

So, yes, while there are studios like this one, which certainly have a very Westernized view on where AI animation will take things -- aka, a non-animator claiming this frees up animators for non-animation positions, to say this is true for the entire industry in a country where for an artist the ultimate goal is to become a cultural icon for their art? That doesn't make sense, but with Anime and Manga being notorious for overworking their artists to meet pressing deadlines without, if possible, decreasing in quality?

Anyways, those were my thoughts when you brought your point up again, that "normal art can be just as terrible" because it's very true. But then, it seems here in the US, the artistic merit is far more critical than the quality of the artwork, and certain artists are not understanding why they're losing their jobs after producing low-quality work and/or getting so fixated on getting their way that they forget companies can go to say Canada or Great Britian for talent instead. And in the process artists who do care about their fans and the quality of their work are made to suffer.
@Yemi_Hikari Damn, that's VERY interesting! Do you have a link for the video you talked about?
Everything changes. Even the happy and funny things eventually disappear. How can I still enjoy this place then?
- Furukawa Nagisa (Clannad)

You have to make a choice. Either you give up on your soul for the sake of science, or you give up on science to save your soul. In my case, the soul was already in pieces.
- Lloyd Asplund (Code Geass)

Do you understand the meaning behind Nunnaly's smile? She can't see or walk. So there are things in this world that she knows she can't do alone. Her smile... is her only way to show gratitude.
- Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)

Death is part of Life.
- ... Me.

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