Korean drama vs Japanese drama

dryourlie said:
Has anyone watched Goblin?

mdo7 said:


Did you read this MAL thread: If K-pop fans are widely accepted in the society, why J-pop fans aren't

I would like your input if it's possible.

Because a lot of former J-pop fans that became K-pop fans never went back to J-pop and the bunch of issues regarding accessibility for J-pop/J-media. There are factions within J-pop fandom that show resentment against K-pop because it get more attention and more coverage then J-pop. Also the fact that the international media recognize K-pop and not J-pop does not make some international J-pop fans not happy. I even met some J-pop fans that showed racist attitude against Koreans.

Some J-pop fans that hated K-pop and it's fandom have even called out these former J-pop fans that became K-pop fans for pulling double standard. I think you're familiar with AKB48. Some J-pop fans have accused K-pop fans of looking down on AKB48 but accepting their K-pop counterpart like let say I.O.I and WJSN/Cosmic Girls. I mean look at produce 101 (before they became I.O.I):







Produce 101 has been compared to AKB48 from fans of J-pop. The biggest difference is that AKB48 doesn't have a big international fanbases compared to Produce 101 (which later become I.O.I). That's why some people in J-pop fandom aren't happy with K-pop and it's fandom. As I said, some in the J-pop fandom have developed a anti-Korean racist sentiment just because of the double standard.



Just curiosity, what country are you from?

kpopluv1 said:
i prefer KDramas but i like the fact that there are JDramas about professions like proofwriting(Jimi ni Sugoi!) which i've never seen on Kdramas

gaijinalyx said:
Btw, are you the author of those links you shared? You seem to keep suggesting that in this forum.

I understand you are trying to prove that most jpop fans when branched out to kpop fandom have not returned back to jpop. But at least in my circle, I have friends who discovered kpop but still until this very moment have not let go of jpop or jdrama, but yeah we are few.

cherushi-chan said:
Though I can't really say I'm addicted, I like K dramas. I don't think I've watched Japanese dramas before (though I might've unknowingly) just live actions/movies and the acting is kinda uhmmm not convincing.
*raises hand*

mdo7 said:


Some of them yes, and some of them no. I used them as sources.



To be honest, I've been investigating about the decline of the J-pop fandom for the last few years. From what I talked to, they can't seem to explain or have no idea why many former J-pop fans that became K-pop fans never went back to J-pop. I mean long time ago, K-pop fandom used to be demonize and J-pop was the accepted Asian music. But in 2009/2010, something happened that make K-pop and J-pop reverse role and now J-pop is weird and demonize and K-pop is now king of Asian pop.

To this day, nobody in the J-pop fandom can't explain why and how this happened. You can view this conversation I had with a J-pop fan via MAL profile chat.

Hafuda said:
Well, both of them have good things and vice versa.

Japanese historical dramas are absolute shit while the Korean ones are more serious.

Korean horror and Japanese horror are the same.

Japanese mystery drama are better than the Korean counterparts.

Either way, black people dramas are the best.

DateYutaka said:



Tiga drama cover more histocal era than Korean ones do that is fact Japan has more era in history cover there is Taiga that is set in Nara Jidai nad based on what i have read is very hisotaclly accurate to the era


wah od i mean by form what iv read [ im Japanese] and iv not really read that much o hitory of the nara jidai but rom what iv read[ of the real hisotry it accurate to the time



just like a lot of Mainland Drama they d not shun away form the more babarous things even if he happneds ot a dram based on one of the hisotcal heros of the nation like korean ones do

y fave hisotocal drams of recant years was based on the Chu Han Contention in China so yes fyi im Japanese bu im sino phile

Hafuda said:


First, I'm Japanese too but... What?

html said:
Korean dramas are more consistent in making HQ drama while their Japanese counterpart are able to create hits from time to time.

DateYutaka said:
oh any no wne has answered my thing about RYM and the fact that oh so Popluar k pop has not got any album in the top 1000 asian album on that site

here

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=Asia&limit=none&countries=

karambia said:
I think ppl that use and rate in RYM have different demographic of mindset, about music(or what good music really is), with ppl that's like and buying Kpop(or any shaped of pop x idol music) predominantly.

I mean you won't find the most high rated music there(RYM) in billboard history, easily.
It's hardly comparison imo, but pop music(that's popular) always less in favorable for the most part

the beatles have very hilgy rated on RYM most of the
top 100 overall albums sold well in there time i wager

cuase Pop Muisc these days does suck worldwide
over all Musically and Lyrically Speaking

karambia said:
I want to said it as "mostly" , bcoz outside the name that's merit popularity and today still regarded as critical aclaim (like the beatles, led zepelin, pink floyd) most of the name on RYM top 100 not appeared in bilboard all time album
http://www.billboard.com/charts/greatest-billboard-200-albums
Which is can show us the gap between them




I thought every generation has share of what suck music was. Only music nowadays easy been spotlighted, bcoz it's like everywhere and today democratization for freedom of medium, when like everyone can produce and "market" their own shit, make suck music in the past so blur in contention. Also many of it's regarded as classic too , which make suck music in the past not even blur but could be in the safe place from critic. I mean song like Aha - take one me was pure garbage imo

DSOM the moon in the top 200 on RYM so is Thriller amoug other on that list note that on Blidbord mius a few albums here and there its all newer stuff
rym is more democratic in that

Lyrics n pop have gotten dubb on the last te year thye
have ogne form reading a 4th grade lv to a 3rd this
has been proven

[i shocke it fell that far form the beatles and Dylan in
Floyd in the 60's nad even 70s' Dark side sold enough
to be called popluar to reading at a 3 rd gade level

karambia said:
@DateYutaka
Obviously we won't find great thing like velvet underground miles davis, black sabbath, "small fry" like MBV - loveless, portishead dumb , signur ros, etc at the billboard "great" because basically , they "count it" differently.


like I implied above, when like everyone without artistic sense can write a poem and "ditributed" it, you know what you got

thing like DSOM was on the chart for like 15 years

html said:
Korean dramas are more consistent in making HQ drama while their Japanese counterpart are able to create hits from time to time.

html said:
@DateYukata don't assume what drama you think I know and don't know

Hafuda said:


First, I'm Japanese too but... What?

mdo7 said:


Well it's a interesting thought coming from you. As I previously mentioned, it's hard to get J-dramas in the US and Europe. It doesn't help that fans of K-dramas (majority of them) don't branch out to J-dramas while they branch out to Taiwanese dramas and slowly branching out to Mainland Chinese dramas.





Please ignore @DateYukata, beside his spelling and his obvious grammar problem. He can't even back up his facts and statements with any evidence like let say a credible URL link to a credible article. He keep saying that I'm bias to pop, yet he's bias to J-rock. Most of the J-rock aren't even household name or well-known outside of Asia while K-pop has been gaining more attention. He couldn't even refute what Gackt said about Cool Japan being a failure and couldn't hold up to South Korea's aggressive marketing. Also I think @DateYukata is probably jealous that K-pop is getting more attention then J-rock are getting on a worldwide scale. In other word, nobody on this forum take him seriously.

I mean maybe @DateYukata would lash out at J-rock if they pandered to K-pop fans by remaking their hit music into Korean just so they can get K-pop fans attention. I mean 2 Taiwanese artists made their Korean debut into K-pop because of K-pop popularity, so it wouldn't surprised me that a J-pop idol would do a Korean debut and remake her songs into Korean just so she can get K-pop fandom attention to her.

But back to J-dramas, if the K-drama fandom want to branch out to J-dramas they not only have to make it accessible and with full marketing. They may have to remake well-known K-drama in order to get their attention. In other word, Japan will have to pander to K-drama fans in order for them to branch out.

kpopluv1 said:

sadly i've only seen the first 4 episodes because the rest wasn't subbed so i just put it on hold
i'm not sure if anyone is currently subbing it

DateYutaka said:

im not jellous at all i just state facts and your genae bais shows big

im a fa oof korean Music too mind you

your fixtae on sales that is it

Fuck the idea of Muisc being an art form at all that is what i get from you

Wikipedia said:
There has been criticism directed at newer visual kei bands for having lost the spirit of their forefathers, copying each other in design and sound, becoming all the same. As far back as 1998, Neil Strauss reported that to visual kei bands "after X" makeup and outrageous looks became "more important than music". Several older musicians expressed their discontent; Kirito (Pierrot, Angelo) said "now it's more like people are dressing up a certain way because they want to be visual kei or look visual kei. They are doing it to look like others instead of doing it to look different. This is obviously very different from when we started out more than ten years ago.", while Sugizo (Luna Sea) that "they cannot make good sounds and music is more like a hobby for them. I cannot feel their soul in the music".

Although almost from the newer generation himself, Dir en grey bassist Toshiya said in 2010 "to be honest, when we first started and we were wearing a lot of makeup on stage and stuff, there were a lot of bands doing that at the time in Japan, and people thought it was cool" and added "the music was so unique, too – bands like X Japan. At that time, there weren't any two bands that sounded alike; these days everyone sounds exactly the same". Kenzi (Kamaitachi, The Dead Pop Stars, Anti Feminism) commented in 2009 that "back in the day, there were bands, but people would try to do things differently. Nowadays, there's one band, and everyone copies off of them", with Free-Will founder and Color frontman Tommy concluding with "I don't think our breed of visual kei exists anymore".

go masterbate of your plastic women and i listen to Muisc that has real arttsic merit not matter what nation its from

gaijinalyx said:

someone told me that the remaining episodes were already subbed, however it was from a close group or community, and i tried applying membership already but was not yet confirmed, so still waiting...
this is the hard part of watching jdrama specially ongoing ones. :(

mdo7 said:


Now you know why J-drama fandom never grown to the size K-drama and Taiwanese dramas has gotten outside of Asia.

mdo7 said:


So why do you show hostilities toward to Korean from time to time when it comes to music. How come you don't denounce Japan when they do something similar like let sya Japan's government using money to promote their pop culture, yet when Korea does it you don't like it?



Say the guy who think J-rock sales is more significant then K-pop and said local sales are better then international sales. You failed to explain why J-rock never got the same # of international audiences like K-pop has gotten.

And when I bring up something about Korean stuff, you come in and troll the forum.



Funny you say that, Visual Kei has suffered the same criticism what you described for K-pop. Why did you attack K-pop but defend visual Kei when they faced similar criticism and I'll quote this from Wikipedia:



So why aren't you criticizing visual kei for well whatever was written on Wikipedia.

Also you may want to explain this: Introducing Globalizing Visual Kei: A Web Series

How did this failed when K-pop was able to succeed?



Say the person who think K-pop is plastic but won't criticize visual kei for being oversaturated and using the same trope for everything.

DateYutaka said:
i odt think any Vkei Guys or gals have have plasoc strugry doen on the level your prescous Kpop Idols have done

mdo7 said:


Oh really, then explain this. How do I know Gackt is the only one with PS, how do I know other J-rock and visual Kei didn't secretly have plastic surgery and the people might not know it. They're not going to be going public about it.

You see, that's the power of Kisha club, they can suppressed any information that might be damaging to the music and idol industry. That's why we can't find any information about idols/celebrities getting PS and why they sometime keep their private life well private from the press and in the public.

Plastic surgeries exist in all entertainment industry regardless of what country it's from. So I don't think Japan's immune to celebrities having plastic surgery.