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thewiru said:
The circumstances that led to Momoka leaving Diamond Dust, and ESPECIALLY what caused Nina to go to Tokyo in the first place are core parts of the story that happened before the anime started telling it's events.
We don't even get to see Hina until midway through, did you even watch the anime?

See, you don't even know the basics of storytelling. The story is from Nina's POV, so obviously if someone knows how storytelling works, then they could understand without explanation why we don't see what happens with Momoka and Diamond Dust. This is like elementary school-level literature.
As for Nina's backstory, that's not part of the journey, but yes, this is high school-level storytelling. The story in this case is aligned with the MC's journey. The journey literally starts when Nina arrives at Tokyo.

Just because something is relevant to the story, it does not mean that it's part of the journey that the MC takes. By that logic, we should have also seen Tomo and Rupa's backstory, because that also happened before Nina arrived at Tokyo and without that they wouldn't have been able to join their band.
I've never imagined that I have to explain the basics of storytelling...

Also, by this logic, every anime is in medias res, because there were events before the main story line that are relevant to the present. In Vinland Saga, Thorfinn's father, Thors' backstory is relevant. In Boku no Hero Academia the previous One for All users' backstory relevant. In FMAB the Elric brothers' father's backstory relevant etc.

thewiru said:
That's because your first assumption is already wrong, and you build all your following ones on top of the previous.

No, just because you don't know anything about storytelling, I'm still right. It just means that you lack knowledge.

thewiru said:
The further in the story we go, the "more in the past" the flashbacks are, and each new flashback further in the past chanes our perception of both the previous one and the past.
You're telling me that almost every show is like this?

Most of them, yes.
In Frieren, it's 100% relevant her and her master's interaction and also relevant her and her parties' journey and yet we start after these events and we learn about those through flashbacks.
In Kusuriya no Hitorigoto, we don't know much about MaoMao's backstory, about her father, mother etc, we learn about these throughout the series.
In Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Arima's backstory with his mother is relevant, yet we learn it later on.

Should I keep going? The reason why many series do this is because the important events and the journey is not aligned. So while we are following a journey, for example Nina's adventure on Tokyo, we would still need other relevant information about the past that's not part of the journey, but part of the characters that went on this journey.

thewiru said:
Look, I think that before you try to analyze my reviews, you should learn basic sentence structure:
"It's a story about "Kara no Hako", a song which inspires two girls, two bands, but makes them choose different paths"
Which part of the sentence says "it's a story about two bands"?

Lol, so you don't speak English.
If you write that it's about a song that inspires TWO BANDS, then it's indicating that it's about 2 bands that were inspired by a song. This is elementary school-level English btw.

thewiru said:

Also, maybe you don't know anything about the second band because you speedwatched the anime, but we do learn quite a bit about Diamond Dust, just not much about it's members.

Again, you proved my point. You are watching anime while you are on your mobile, so you are projecting this to others.
No, we learn as much about Diamond Dust as about Tomo's previous band and somehow you ignored one of the band while not the other. And btw this is also part of the issue with your review, you cherry picked certain bands as important, while ignored other bands as not important.

thewiru said:
I wouldn't have admitted I'm that media illiterate even under torture, I'm sorry.

Then why did you admit it by not understanding that you don't know how storytelling works? Lol.

thewiru said:
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SONG'S TRUE MEANING?
NINA FOLLOWS THE "FOLLOW THE RIGHT ANSWER, EVEN IT FEELS NONSENSICAL TO OTHERS" AS A WAY FOR HER TO REBEL

Nice quote. It's sad that it has nothing to do with that song, because it's not part of it. It's not even the message of that song. :DDD

The song literally states that there's no right answer or at least they don't know the right answer.
"There's no right answer, there's no losing. I've been me all my life" https://girls-band-cry.fandom.com/wiki/VOID
"What's the correct answer? There's no value, I will live my life" https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-togenashi-togeari-void-english-translation-lyrics

So it's not only you failed to realize what the show is about, but you hallucinated a song that doesn't exist.

thewiru said:
Go on, I can do this all day.

Yes, I can imagine that you can hallucinate stupid takes all day. :D
ktg said:
In Frieren, it's 100% relevant her and her master's interaction and also relevant her and her parties' journey and yet we start after these events and we learn about those through flashbacks.

Frieren IS an in media res story.
It literally starts after the end of their journey, and the rest of the entire anime is flashbacks of what happened there.

Was that supposed to be a fucking gotcha?
ktg said:
If you write that it's about a song that inspires TWO BANDS, then it's indicating that it's about 2 bands that were inspired by a song. This is elementary school-level English btw.

If your elementary school was part of the "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" program, then maybe.
ktg said:
Again, you proved my point. You are watching anime while you are on your mobile, so you are projecting this to others.

I guess I hit a nerve and now you have to fanfic that I watch anime on my phone.
ktg said:
Nice quote. It's sad that it has nothing to do with that song, because it's not part of it. It's not even the message of that song. :DDD

The song literally states that there's no right answer or at least they don't know the right answer.
"There's no right answer, there's no losing. I've been me all my life" https://girls-band-cry.fandom.com/wiki/VOID
"What's the correct answer? There's no value, I will live my life" https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-togenashi-togeari-void-english-translation-lyrics

So it's not only you failed to realize what the show is about, but you hallucinated a song that doesn't exist.

THAT'S THE POINT.
THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT.

It's because there is no such thing as an objectively correct answer that you should follow what FEELS right for you (Hence why the two sides go for different paths), thank you for proving my point for me.
Should I have put quotation marks around "right answer"?
ktg said:
Yes, I can imagine that you can hallucinate stupid takes all day. :D

Why would I need to hallucinate a stupid take, when simply reading your comments gives me a lifetime supply.
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the way i see it is ...there is a lot more to know about anime and its depth

like i know the medium is possible of creating great things like legend of the galactic heroes, while the illiterate nooby peasants watch their run-of-the-mill dime a dozen seasonal modern slop
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I don't like it when people explain their hobby to me in details, or just media in general they watched, so I try my best not to do it to other people. I try to speak of stuff I know the other person likes. With my dad, I talk about movies, with my mom I talk about... life, because our tastes are just not compatible. I can somehow talk about anime with my brother, but even then, he's mostly watching battle shonen stuff and we don't have many anime in common.

But ain't no way I'm explaining something like Kill la Kill to my dad. Actually, I don't see why I would ever try to talk about Kill la Kill to someone not into anime at all. I can easily find other topics to talk about. I really don't mind if the person I'm talking to doesn't know anything about anime. And if they've watched a show or two, I'm confident I know enough second-hand stuff about the likes of Bleach and One Piece, the only "big" ones I haven't really interacted with, to be able to at least have a conversation about it.
Please do not get offended by my takes; I have shit taste.
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