Rudeus is one of the most pathetic MC i've seen

my guy nothing better to do in life? Classic aah ragebait

what about Subaru?

The whole point of the damn story is that Rudeus isn't strong, though? He says it multiple times himself. He isn't the strongest person in that world, and he isn't even trying to be. Why do you think the story so adamantly focuses on his family life more than the main plot? It's because that plot does not drive him at all. His daily family life does.

He ceases to function when something traumatic happens. Having had zero connections in his previous life, he panics when he feels like he's going to lose one in this life. The problem here is...him reacting like a regular human would? It's the most natural thing in the world to do. To a person like him, how much they love him would hardly matter because his panic is not under his control.

The fight with the "strong guy" is literally the catalyst to why he becomes like he is. It's his wake-up call. It changes how Rudeus sees the world around him. He believes he can fight through his anger and problems, but he fails. He never makes these rash, rage-fuelled decisions again. He actively stops other people from making them later in the story.

I feel like your issues just stem from not understanding the intention of the story. Don't look here if you're trying to find a cool, strong, smart, perfect protagonist. Rudeus is not that. He's a broken, depressed man trying his best to hang on to life when given a second chance. He's rarely a proactive character unless the situation demands it. He does not go looking for fights because he can see that he has things he isn't willing to lose.

Hate to pull this card but it's probably because you might not get exactly what he's going through. I hardly care what opinions people have on fiction, but this is kinda annoying. Rudeus is far from a pathetic person. He's much, much stronger than you think for reaching where he does. Just not physically.

If what you are saying is true then you think him creating fucking Ironman armor in a fantasy world is pathetic just because he got rolled by the most OP character in the series at that point.

The mere fact that he didn't get oneshot like in turning point 2 is testament to how far he has gone. It has been some time since I read this part in the WN so I might be misremembering but either he shot a Nuke level spell or tanked one from Orstred during this fight. Yeah the whole moment where the armor broke and he had to be saved by Eris was a bit too much but he was basically fighting the Al or the Reinhard of his verse if we are gonna get into the age-old R:Z comparison so fair game.

Character wise, he will always have some petty moments but because of this fight it started feeling kind of earned and even then they are not to this level.

Dear MAH user,

I believe you're opinions are bad. Mushoku Tensei isn't your typical Isekai story, the characters portray real human emotions, they are flawed and have limitations. their ambitions go beyond simply "getting strong". He simply wished to live a happy life with his family, not to banish some demon king you see. Unfortunately his destiny didn't align with his goals. When he senses his life is in danger, he becomes irrational and afraid, like any real human would. He's not "pathetic", rather he is "real". You're problems with the novels honestly seem to be that it is different from what you wanted to read, so if you don't like it, don't read it <3.

I would say he's objectively a shitty person, he does become somewhat better and the whole premise is him getting a second chance at life

It's fine if you hate him, but how the hell did you reach Vol 15 and somehow overlook his development?? Rudeus has become strong asf and matured a lot. He fought damn well against the strongest character in the series and that setup was genius. How would Rudeus ask Orsted for help when Man-God convinced him his family would die unless Orsted was killed?

I think you've completely missed the point of the story, this isn't a LN for Shonen meatheads who crave action and development every opportunity

I never said he needed to be the strongest. You seem to think i'm complaining about him not being strong, but the problem is his attitude, not his power. The story wouldn't work if he was the strongest so early. Still, he needs power to protect himself and his family, and he knows it.



What do you mean "regular human being? Not every one becomes useless when hit with adversity. Quite the contrary, many humans face disasters head on. Different people react different...and yes i know you are going to send this exact phrase back to me, but my point is, strong people won't act like he does. He is just weak willed.



I understood that Rudeus was a broken human from the beginning. He has lived decades as a hikikomori so of course he is not normal, but so what?
If a man kills and rapes dozes of young girls and people find out they will all hate that man and demand that he is sent to jail or even killed, but let's say that the police discovers that this man was actually a victim of a horrible abuse by his family for something like 10 years. People would feel some pity of him, but do you think they would forgive him? No, they would not.
The past of a character matters, for sure, but it won't completely change how people view the character. If the character is a loser now, but was badass before, people will still think is a loser.


This ties to what i wrote before. I DON'T HAVE to get what he is going to through. I still think he is pathetic. Likewise, I understand he suffered and all that, but what does that change? You say he went really far, but that's mostly because he got a shit ton of mana.

When he was young, he was very different. He tried his best, both at magic, at sword, at helping Ruijerd, at teaching Eris. He wans't perfect and made many mistakes, but he was doing all he could with what he had and had a positive outlook of things (just go back to see how he thought he could help Ruijerd with his big problem, but now he has doubts about everything he does).

What about now? When he reunited with Eris he wasn't even able to talk to her properly and kept delaying for days. The first thing he did was grope her. Are you serious? It was she who talked to him (and this was not easy for her either, but she still did) and in the end he even got some push from Ghislaine. All his wives jumped on his lap. Silphie all of that, Roxie went to bed with him AND (very important) Elinalise had to lie to him saying Roxy was pregnant. He relies on everyone else to do anything at this point of the story. He wasted one month doing nothing instead of going there to talk with Ariel and only took action when another character came talk to him.

Even his future self said that when he was young, he used to do things by himself and didn't rely on others. After Eris left him, his character went completely downhill and so far has yet to recover.

@Yantama I don't consider Subaru pathetic. Sure, he has no way to fight in a world filled with strong people, but he does what he can.

Rudeus is different. He can fight. He could be stronger at this point of the story where i am reading (LN volume 15 chapter 10) if had worked harder in learning/creating more spells, but he has a loser mentality. Once he reached a certain point, he didn't put much effort into it anymore, cause he felt he was strong enough.

Subaru went through so much shit while dying. Rudeus would have lost his mind if it was him.

I never said he needed to be the strongest. You seem to think i'm complaining about him not being strong, but the problem is his attitude, not his power. The story wouldn't work if he was the strongest so early. Still, he needs power to protect himself and his family, and he knows it.



What do you mean "regular human being? Not every one becomes useless when hit with adversity. Quite the contrary, many humans face disasters head on. Different people react different...and yes i know you are going to send this exact phrase back to me, but my point is, strong people won't act like he does. He is just weak willed.



I understood that Rudeus was a broken human from the beginning. He has lived decades as a hikikomori so of course he is not normal, but so what?
If a man kills and rapes dozes of young girls and people find out they will all hate that man and demand that he is sent to jail or even killed, but let's say that the police discovers that this man was actually a victim of a horrible abuse by his family for something like 10 years. People would feel some pity of him, but do you think they would forgive him? No, they would not.
The past of a character matters, for sure, but it won't completely change how people view the character. If the character is a loser now, but was badass before, people will still think is a loser.


This ties to what i wrote before. I DON'T HAVE to get what he is going to through. I still think he is pathetic. Likewise, I understand he suffered and all that, but what does that change? You say he went really far, but that's mostly because he got a shit ton of mana.

When he was young, he was very different. He tried his best, both at magic, at sword, at helping Ruijerd, at teaching Eris. He wans't perfect and made many mistakes, but he was doing all he could with what he had and had a positive outlook of things (just go back to see how he thought he could help Ruijerd with his big problem, but now he has doubts about everything he does).

What about now? When he reunited with Eris he wasn't even able to talk to her properly and kept delaying for days. The first thing he did was grope her. Are you serious? It was she who talked to him (and this was not easy for her either, but she still did) and in the end he even got some push from Ghislaine. All his wives jumped on his lap. Silphie all of that, Roxie went to bed with him AND (very important) Elinalise had to lie to him saying Roxy was pregnant. He relies on everyone else to do anything at this point of the story. He wasted one month doing nothing instead of going there to talk with Ariel and only took action when another character came talk to him.

Even his future self said that when he was young, he used to do things by himself and didn't rely on others. After Eris left him, his character went completely downhill and so far has yet to recover.

Fine, i agree that i had preferred the story focusing much more on other stuff instead of how he plans to touch his wives during the day. It still doesn't change the things i said and i still think he is pathetic. Even worse, as i read more chapters he seems to be getting dumber and dumber. He couldn't even figure out that the one Luke was talking with was Eris even though Orsted told him that Luke was going to fall for her at first sight.

I read that and facepalmed hard.

What development? I already said this on my other reply, but when he was a child he way better than now. Sure he made mistakes, but he still makes mistakes so that doesn't matter. Yes, you're going to say that he grew as a character, but did he really? When he was young he was not that afraid of talking to people and was more confident, but after Eris left he got super afraid of getting reject and tried to not have any kind of conflict. Once he got married, he went back to his normal self...in other words, he went back to how he was as a child (kind, not good enough). How come anyone call this character growth?

He still fears his wives will leave him and if he so much step of their toes (low confidence).

He delays facing problematic situations (like talking with Eris or Ariel) just like he did with he met Sara again. It would have been very nice if he had truly learned something here. He'd saw how bad and uncomfortable things got by ignoring Sara so i thought he later would think ("i don't want to talk with Eris right now, but i don't want a situation like that with Sara happening again, it's better to face this head on"), but nope he still acts like an idiot.

There was nothing "genius" about what he did against Orsted. A mage launching powerful spells at distance is something even a child could think of, c'mon dude.
He got the idea for the armor from the diary, so it doesn't count either.

@KaeUBW




That's a vast generalization of what 'strong' even means. What do you even seem to constitute as strong?

You have somehow missed the entire arc of Rudeus' development. And if multiple people seem to be telling you that, maybe try to reflect on the entire thing once more? He is a happier person before because he genuinely believes he is an overpowered person in this new world. All of his cockiness and confidence comes from his lack of personal connection to the world he is in. It is nothing more than a playground for him to act out his fantasies. But when he meets Orsted for the first time and then Eris leaves him, he is thrown back into his previous mentality. Even with all the damn power and confidence in the world, he isn't able to stay close to the one person who mattered to him.

That is why he starts spiraling downwards. That is why he is unable to maintain that confidence once more. His ED is quite literally a metaphor for him not having the will to get close to another person because he is scared of losing them again. He needs to be supported by people like Soldat and Sylphie for him to start believing in himself once more. But once that happens, he needs to be careful to not cross that line into supreme confidence once more. Having that ego is what brought him down, so he is unwilling to return to being that person. He is focused on trying to maintain what he has right now.

Despite everything in his life, from his perspective, going downhill, he manages to persevere. He pushes through the depression he gets after Eris leaves him, manages to at least try once more with Sara, tries to kill himself but listens to Soldat's advice, shifts his focus on studying to get better and ultimately manages to not only get back together with Sylphie but save his own sister from the same hellhole. If you call that a weak willed person, then I'd say I'm happy you cannot relate. It is a horrible spiral to be stuck in, and he manages to break out of it by a sheer will to better himself and take care of the people around him. Rudeus has more than recovered. He has grown beyond himself into a person he could hardly dream of being when the show started.

Who cares about the shit ton of mana? What I said above is what I mean by he gets very far. Again, all of this seems to stem from the fact that you do not understand what the author is trying to show. And there's nothing wrong with that. But you seem to deny everyone who is trying to make you understand just how realistic a portrayal of depression and anxiety the show has. Not everybody in this world has the strength to just brush off bad things and move on. MT tries to show a man like that who still makes something of himself and fights back to live a better life.

I'll just repeat myself. Rudeus is not a pathetic MC at all. You just seem to be blindly comparing him to other popular but rather boring, cliche, overpowered fantasy/isekai MC's. Try to situate your argument in the context of the story's themes and ideas. Rudeus' mental strengh is absolutely insane.

1. Rudeus' Growth is Psychological, Not Just Power-Based
The expectation that Rudeus should constantly be striving for more power ignores that Mushoku Tensei is more of a character-driven story than a power-fantasy isekai. His development is not about learning stronger spells but about overcoming his past traumas, forming genuine relationships, and finding purpose in life.

His breakdowns and insecurities stem from real psychological scars from his previous life, making him more human rather than just a power-scaling protagonist.
The "diary of the old man" is not a weakness—it’s a realistic depiction of depression, PTSD, and emotional baggage from his past. Instead of dismissing these moments as pathetic, they should be seen as essential steps in his long, nonlinear journey toward self-improvement.
2. His Learning Plateaus for a Reason
Rudeus' initial obsession with learning magic was fueled by the novelty of his new world. Once he hit the limits of what he could do alone, he had to focus on other aspects of life: survival, relationships, and responsibilities.
His decision not to learn higher healing magic isn’t just "stupid"—it reflects his priorities at the time. Not every powerful character needs to min-max all abilities, and his intelligence is shown in his adaptability rather than raw power.
His later magical advancements, including his mastery of void magic and his unique approach to spellcasting, prove that he still has untapped potential but is progressing at a realistic pace rather than instantly gaining new abilities.
3. His Emotional Insecurity is Realistic, Not Weakness
His fear of abandonment makes perfect sense given his past trauma. He isn’t just irrationally paranoid—his previous experiences (both in his past life and his new one) reinforce this fear.
The fact that he struggles with self-worth despite others loving him is a deeply relatable flaw, not bad writing. Many real-life people suffer from imposter syndrome and anxiety, so expecting him to just "get over it" ignores how personal growth actually works.
4. The "Strong Guy" Fight Shows His Humanity, Not Patheticness
The moment being criticized (his encounter with Orsted) is actually a pivotal scene. Rudeus had no way of knowing Orsted’s power level and acted impulsively based on the situation.
His reaction—begging and crying—was realistic. Orsted was an insurmountable force, and Rudeus facing pure despair for the first time was a key turning point. It wasn’t about being "pathetic"—it was about showing that there are beings beyond his comprehension, something most overpowered MCs never experience.
Later in the story, Rudeus grows into someone who can stand up against powerful enemies, but his initial reaction to Orsted makes his later growth feel earned rather than forced.
5. Long-Term Character Development Over Instant Gratification
The biggest flaw in this critique is the assumption that Rudeus needs to undergo rapid, obvious improvements in strength and confidence to be a good protagonist. Mushoku Tensei is a long-term character study.

His growth is about overcoming his inner demons, learning responsibility, and becoming a better person, not just a stronger fighter.
By the end of the series, he is one of the most respected and powerful figures in the world, but his journey to that point is what makes his story compelling.
Unlike many isekai MCs who are just instantly good at everything, Rudeus' progress is earned through genuine struggle, which makes his victories feel far more rewarding.

@KaeUBW “He’s getting dumber because he didn’t realize Luke was talking about Eris."
Counter:

1. First, not immediately realizing something doesn’t make someone dumb—it makes them human. People don’t instantly make connections, especially when dealing with their own issues.
2. At that moment, Rudeus wasn’t focused on Luke’s love life—he had bigger concerns.
3. Just because the reader can connect the dots quickly (thanks to outside knowledge and narrative hints) doesn’t mean Rudeus, as a character, should be expected to immediately figure it out.
4. Intelligence isn’t just about instantly solving every mystery—it’s about making the right choices when it matters, and Rudeus has shown intelligence in many other situations.

@KaeUBW Your argument relies on three main points, and each has flaws:

"Rudeus hasn’t really developed because he was more confident as a child."
"He still fears rejection and avoids conflict, so he hasn’t grown."
"His battle against Orsted wasn’t genius, and the armor idea doesn’t count."
Let’s break these down:

1. "Rudeus hasn’t really developed because he was more confident as a child."
Counter:

Confidence as a child isn’t the same as maturity. Young Rudeus was naive, inexperienced, and had an idealistic view of the world. His confidence came from ignorance of how things really worked.
After experiencing real hardships—losing family, failing in battle, and facing true powerlessness—his confidence took a hit. That’s natural. Growth isn’t just about gaining confidence—it’s about learning how to deal with failure, doubt, and responsibility.
The fact that he regains confidence after settling down proves that he grew. He learned how to handle his fears, build relationships, and move forward despite his trauma.

2. "He still fears his wives leaving him and avoids conflict, so he hasn’t grown."
Counter:

Growth doesn’t mean erasing fear—it means learning to live with it. Rudeus doesn’t overcome his insecurities in a single moment; he gradually learns to trust the people around him.
Avoiding conflict doesn’t mean he hasn’t grown—it means he values relationships. If anything, his hesitance shows emotional depth. He isn’t just charging into situations blindly; he wants to handle things carefully.
The Sara situation did teach him something. He may still hesitate, but he does eventually take action. The fact that he later manages to face Eris and Ariel proves that he’s capable of confronting difficult situations.

3. "His fight against Orsted wasn’t genius, and the armor idea doesn’t count."
Counter:

It absolutely was a well-thought-out fight. Rudeus wasn’t just "launching powerful spells"—he was using advanced tactics, feints, and a strategic combination of techniques to last against the strongest being in the world.
Even if the idea for the armor came from the diary, execution matters. Having an idea and actually implementing it effectively are two different things. Plenty of people know about great strategies, but not everyone can pull them off.
The fact that Rudeus was even able to survive against Orsted—who outclasses him in every way—is proof of how much he’s grown as a fighter.

Final Counter:
Your main issue is seeing growth as a straight line—you expect Rudeus to get stronger, smarter, and more confident without setbacks. But Mushoku Tensei is about realistic development.

Rudeus doesn’t "return to how he was as a child"—he grows into someone who understands both his strengths and his limitations.
He still has fears, but he learns to manage them instead of letting them define him.
His fights are strategic and show real improvement—not just in power, but in how he thinks and reacts under pressure.
Your argument ignores nuance and expects a traditional power fantasy. But Mushoku Tensei is about emotional and psychological growth, not just physical strength.

I agree with you here. My problem is that just because he learned all of this, just because learned more about the world all of that...it doesn't mean he has to become a guy whose legs shake just buy talk to some random shady guy.
Growth does not equate to being stronger, more confident and all of that, but it also doesn't mean the contrary.

Plenty of characters go thought worse than Rudeus and do not become a wimp character like him.

You guys keep saying that just because he faced hardships he has to become someone who is always afraid, always lacking confidence, always being dependant of others and always going with the flow of things. No...just no.

For me, this IS what i would call pathetic.




That would have been cool if he has the merit to all of this was his, but it's not. Everything was done by his wives and friends. Without Sylfie he would still be a guy without any confidence, and who knows what he would be doing?



Yeah, after many years, seems like learns his wives won't leave him if he farts near them. So much growth here...
It shouldn't take years for him to learn something so obvious. It's hard to know what Eris has in her mind, but Sylphie is like an open book when it comes to her feelings for Rudeus.



Yeah, so careful that he went to fight Orsted knowing he had a very low chance of winning. Sure, he was afraid of the mangod, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan was bad and if he was killed by Orsted the mangod still would come after his family. So how was this handled carefully?


ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He took DAYS to talk with Eris. In fact, he didn't talk to her, instead he grabbed her breasts and got punched by her. Then SHE talked to him. That's VERY DIFFERENT.

He also took a whole month to go talk with Ariel. He went to talk with her only when he was forced too.

How that proves his is capable of handling difficult situations?



The only thing i agree with you here is that "planing something and executing that plan is not the same thing." Sure, Rudeus did what he had planned there, but the plan itself?

Blast a guy from as far as you can with the strongest attacks you can use. This is a super basic plan that anyone can think of.

He was not using feints or anything else you said. He just use magic as much as he could an tried to keep himself outside of Orsted range. Have played any competitive game? I have done that many time in games. Nothing new here.

And he LOST.



WTF dude? He only survive because Eris saved him and because Orsted thought it would be more beneficial to him to have Rudeus alive instead of dead.

THIS makes sense because Rudeus has never existed in the other loops Orsted lived so him could be a good way for him to change things.

So it makes no sense for you to talk as if this was Rudeus accomplishment. This is nothing, but plot armor.


Two quotes from Rudeus from the LN volume 18...
"Oh crap. Now I’m shaking in my boots.
"It was important to be well-mannered. Even if my power dwarfed this guy completely, there was still protocol to be followed. Part of the secret to my success in making it in this world was being polite to everyone I met for the first time. It most certainly was not because I was intimidated. No, sir."

He sure learns of his limitations and strength. He learned so much that he still crap his pants in front of some random guy, that Rudeus himself realizes he is much stronger.

This is one thing that bothers me about him. He is someone strong, but has the mentality and acts like a weakling.

Just take a look at everyone else around Rudeus and see if they act like him. All the other adventurers that had some power had some backbone.

Growing up doesn't mean you become much more confident, but if you are MUCH stronger than most people you should at LEAST have some confidence, which Rudeus has none.

That's why i say he is pathetic.

I agree with you here. My problem is that just because he learned all of this, just because learned more about the world all of that...it doesn't mean he has to become a guy whose legs shake just buy talk to some random shady guy.
Growth does not equate to being stronger, more confident and all of that, but it also doesn't mean the contrary.

Plenty of characters go thought worse than Rudeus and do not become a wimp character like him.

You guys keep saying that just because he faced hardships he has to become someone who is always afraid, always lacking confidence, always being dependant of others and always going with the flow of things. No...just no.

For me, this IS what i would call pathetic.




That would have been cool if he has the merit to all of this was his, but it's not. Everything was done by his wives and friends. Without Sylfie he would still be a guy without any confidence, and who knows what he would be doing?



Yeah, after many years, seems like learns his wives won't leave him if he farts near them. So much growth here...
It shouldn't take years for him to learn something so obvious. It's hard to know what Eris has in her mind, but Sylphie is like an open book when it comes to her feelings for Rudeus.



Yeah, so careful that he went to fight Orsted knowing he had a very low chance of winning. Sure, he was afraid of the mangod, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan was bad and if he was killed by Orsted the mangod still would come after his family. So how was this handled carefully?


ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He took DAYS to talk with Eris. In fact, he didn't talk to her, instead he grabbed her breasts and got punched by her. Then SHE talked to him. That's VERY DIFFERENT.

He also took a whole month to go talk with Ariel. He went to talk with her only when he was forced too.

How that proves his is capable of handling difficult situations?



The only thing i agree with you here is that "planing something and executing that plan is not the same thing." Sure, Rudeus did what he had planned there, but the plan itself?

Blast a guy from as far as you can with the strongest attacks you can use. This is a super basic plan that anyone can think of.

He was not using feints or anything else you said. He just use magic as much as he could an tried to keep himself outside of Orsted range. Have played any competitive game? I have done that many time in games. Nothing new here.

And he LOST.



WTF dude? He only survive because Eris saved him and because Orsted thought it would be more beneficial to him to have Rudeus alive instead of dead.

THIS makes sense because Rudeus has never existed in the other loops Orsted lived so him could be a good way for him to change things.

So it makes no sense for you to talk as if this was Rudeus accomplishment. This is nothing, but plot armor.


Two quotes from Rudeus from the LN volume 18...
"Oh crap. Now I’m shaking in my boots.
"It was important to be well-mannered. Even if my power dwarfed this guy completely, there was still protocol to be followed. Part of the secret to my success in making it in this world was being polite to everyone I met for the first time. It most certainly was not because I was intimidated. No, sir."

He sure learns of his limitations and strength. He learned so much that he still crap his pants in front of some random guy, that Rudeus himself realizes he is much stronger.

This is one thing that bothers me about him. He is someone strong, but has the mentality and acts like a weakling.

Just take a look at everyone else around Rudeus and see if they act like him. All the other adventurers that had some power had some backbone.

Growing up doesn't mean you become much more confident, but if you are MUCH stronger than most people you should at LEAST have some confidence, which Rudeus has none.

That's why i say he is pathetic.

Bullshit, all of this.

It was a very easy connection. There is no way a person with half a brain working would not connect those dots.

Julie hiding her figurine from Zanoba is just because she is in her puberty, even though she was naked in front of Zanoba a few days ago just fine. The idea of she was wanting to make a surprise for Zanoba never occurred to him.

Again, dumb as hell.

He says/thinks dumb stuff all the time, but i forgot about the specifics right now. I had something else i was going to write here, but it slipped my mind.


Like what? I seriously want to know in which part Rudeus was really smart. I get angry all the time with the amount of dumb stuff he says or think.

I'm in volume 19 of the LN.

I agree with you here. My problem is that just because he learned all of this, just because learned more about the world all of that...it doesn't mean he has to become a guy whose legs shake just buy talk to some random shady guy.
Growth does not equate to being stronger, more confident and all of that, but it also doesn't mean the contrary.

Plenty of characters go thought worse than Rudeus and do not become a wimp character like him.

You guys keep saying that just because he faced hardships he has to become someone who is always afraid, always lacking confidence, always being dependant of others and always going with the flow of things. No...just no.

For me, this IS what i would call pathetic.




That would have been cool if he has the merit to all of this was his, but it's not. Everything was done by his wives and friends. Without Sylfie he would still be a guy without any confidence, and who knows what he would be doing?



Yeah, after many years, seems like learns his wives won't leave him if he farts near them. So much growth here...
It shouldn't take years for him to learn something so obvious. It's hard to know what Eris has in her mind, but Sylphie is like an open book when it comes to her feelings for Rudeus.



Yeah, so careful that he went to fight Orsted knowing he had a very low chance of winning. Sure, he was afraid of the mangod, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan was bad and if he was killed by Orsted the mangod still would come after his family. So how was this handled carefully?


ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He took DAYS to talk with Eris. In fact, he didn't talk to her, instead he grabbed her breasts and got punched by her. Then SHE talked to him. That's VERY DIFFERENT.

He also took a whole month to go talk with Ariel. He went to talk with her only when he was forced too.

How that proves his is capable of handling difficult situations?



The only thing i agree with you here is that "planing something and executing that plan is not the same thing." Sure, Rudeus did what he had planned there, but the plan itself?

Blast a guy from as far as you can with the strongest attacks you can use. This is a super basic plan that anyone can think of.

He was not using feints or anything else you said. He just use magic as much as he could an tried to keep himself outside of Orsted range. Have played any competitive game? I have done that many time in games. Nothing new here.

And he LOST.



WTF dude? He only survive because Eris saved him and because Orsted thought it would be more beneficial to him to have Rudeus alive instead of dead.

THIS makes sense because Rudeus has never existed in the other loops Orsted lived so him could be a good way for him to change things.

So it makes no sense for you to talk as if this was Rudeus accomplishment. This is nothing, but plot armor.


Two quotes from Rudeus from the LN volume 18...
"Oh crap. Now I’m shaking in my boots.
"It was important to be well-mannered. Even if my power dwarfed this guy completely, there was still protocol to be followed. Part of the secret to my success in making it in this world was being polite to everyone I met for the first time. It most certainly was not because I was intimidated. No, sir."

He sure learns of his limitations and strength. He learned so much that he still crap his pants in front of some random guy, that Rudeus himself realizes he is much stronger.

This is one thing that bothers me about him. He is someone strong, but has the mentality and acts like a weakling.

Just take a look at everyone else around Rudeus and see if they act like him. All the other adventurers that had some power had some backbone.

Growing up doesn't mean you become much more confident, but if you are MUCH stronger than most people you should at LEAST have some confidence, which Rudeus has none.

That's why i say he is pathetic.