I mean Frieren is literally my favorite anime of all time - see also my username and profile picture - but obviously there are legitimate and valid reasons one can have for not liking the show. Some of these are different takeaways from the same objective quality - for example, the plot *is* very meandering and aimless, and the pace *is* slow. To me, and I assume to a lot of others who like this show, that’s not a criticism, as that’s the exact thing that allows those character moments big and small that add so much weight to the big story payoffs when they do happen. But if you can’t reconcile yourself with a story that is moving slowly and seemingly going nowhere, I can see why you wouldn’t like the show as much. Then there are other more subjective reasons - if you don’t like the characters or find the plot boring, then you’re probably not too enthused by the show. This is purely subjective, and the people who dislike the show for these reasons have an experience which is very nearly wholly different from a lot of the people who like the show. Then there’s just what you prefer - do you like more action or battle focused anime? Frieren isn’t for you. Do you not like fantasy? Frieren isn’t for you.
I’m sure everyone who dislikes the show has a valid reason for doing so. A person’s experience with media isn’t less valid than ours just because they had a different takeaway from it. Of course, a lot of people get very obnoxious about their dislike - I’m not going to name those people, but there are a couple of people who are infamous in this community. The issue there is how they choose to express their dislike. If a lot of the people who dislike the show weren’t being so antagonistic with how they express their desire, I feel like their opinions would be accepted a lot more easily.
You ask a fair question- but just as you point out Frieren can’t possibly be bad at EVERYTHING; (I agree it isn’t)- but you also have to admit it isn’t GREAT at everything either.
And that is the problem.
But look how it’s rated.
It has poorly defined characters, an overpowered MC who is such a walking pile of tropes and cliches; walking around talking with no dramatic tension; it starts out with a poorly defined purpose then decides it’s a battle anime- which would be fine if there was more fighting.
WAY TOO MANY CHARACTERS- like that older guy who fucks off after like two episodes; it introduces then abandons Stark at its critical most important dungeon/magic test arc; its magic system is poorly defined which would be okay if it didn’t insist on there being so many rules, and then it just contradicts itself by introducing things like PHOTOGRAPHY for plot convenience for like one episode then never shows it again. Which is lazy writing.
On top of all this the characters aren’t even interesting to look at. They look just like the story feels- DULL. Frieren is basically a fat elf with frumpy clothes and walks around with a blank expression most of the time. Sorry that’s not interesting or inspiring, and anime is a visual medium- nothing about its appearance either background art or characters is interesting or captivating. Fern is similar- frumpy and boring both visually and as a character. The English VA for Stark breaths some life into an otherwise archetype of a character; I had to watch the English dub after halfway because reading all the inane, dull dialogue on the Sub was excruciating.
See my review where I explain everything wrong with it in depth. Some things it did well: the action scenes in episode 9-10 (about) where they fought the demons was alright. The Magic Test arc in the dungeon was okay in parts- (although ruined by so much endless talking!) and the final test with the loli elf chick at least made me chuckle. But WAY too many characters. Why so many? Just a total mess.
I'm not claiming it's the worst anime ever made and I didn’t give it a 1. I should have given it a 1, but unlike all the people who lied about it being so perfect; at least I was honest about my score.
@SuperAdventure It's obviously not a 1/10 show, but literally nothing about it is truly great other than the consistently good animation, and absolutely nothing unique or groundbreaking either. Almost everything from the characters and themes to the worldbuilding and power system feels basic and generic, but is dressed up with sakuga moments and a careful direction.
I've read many negative reviews of Frieren and many of them are fair and make sense. It's the OP's confirmation bias that prevents him from seeing whatever he dont want to accept (and something tells me he probably made this thread just to imply that "Frieren has no flaws, the problem is with the stupid people who dare to criticize it!!"). Many Frieren fans also love to repeat dismissive fallacies like "It's just not for you", "It's just because it's popular", "It's just because it's #1" like robots, while ignoring these same honest criticisms of the show's writing, tone, and pacing.
There are "stupid" positive reviews that are just as much lies or exaggerations as the negative ones, why doesn't anyone see them being talked about? (Oh nevermind - some of the negative ones actually address them very fairly)
Personally I love Frieren. From the characters and story to the music and animation, I was truly impressed. However I have no issue with people that disagree with me and not to be rude but I never bother reading reviews on this site. Not that there isn’t any value in it, I just would rather go into an anime with as little information as possible and decide for myself.
That being said, watching Frieren reminded me of how precious time is and how to better appreciate the people in my life that I love.
Frieren is a special kind of anime, which isn't for everyone. It's chill most of the time, which some people can't handle. That's why I can understand why not all people like it. Animation- and soundtrack-wise, it's at the very top in my opinion, but there are also people who don't like it and automatically say it's bad. You simply can't justify everyone.
Frieren is in my Top3 anime of all time and I'm going to rewatch it when the second season is going to be released.
utopia- said: People who hate or simply dislike frieren, are there plausible reasons? Like, sousou no frieren is not my top1, I like it a lot, but it's not my favorite, actually it's my top4. I was thinking while reading the negative reviews of sousou no frieren here on the site but all the reviews are too stupid, like there are people complaining about the animation and scenery saying that it is bad. Honestly, can anyone who doesn't like frieren really find the animation and, for example, the soundtrack bad?, I doubt that Sousou no Frieren (just an example) would be bad at everything, it's kind of idiotic to think that Sousou no Frieren is bad at everything. Like I don't like Kimetsu no Yaiba, but I think KNY's animation and soundtrack are phenomenal. What I mean is: who doesn't like sousou no frieren could give me a plausible explanation of the possible defects? And those who like it can also answer me telling me some flaws that you see in this anime? (DETAIL: mention the defect but also give an explanation, don't just say "I don't like the story", say why.)
(I just want to understand what might be considered bad for most people in sousou no frieren, because I truly believe that this anime is perfect in everything. I can't find any mistakes, even my favorite anime (3-gatsu no lion) I could understand "possible" flaws, but when I think about sousou no frieren I can't imagine any flaws... It's the only anime where I think like that.)
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~ sorry for some grammatical errors in the post
~I just want to know your opinions and cons regarding the anime. Please do not spew hate here.
Your first mistake was taking MAL reviews seriously
Secondly, it’s popular to hate on popular shows.
The only criticism I’ll give to some people is that they don’t like slow paced stories, then they probably shouldn’t watch. I don’t see many other reasons to hate on this show though 😂
I don't hate frieren, I actually like it. I am annoyed that's it's #1 on MAL and overtook FMAB. Is it because FMAB is my favourite anime of all time and I'm sad to see it dethroned? A little yes... BUT I'm mostly salty because FMAB is a complete story and frieren has just begun and it's already taking the top spot. That's just me though, the sound track is still goated Evan Call is a beast!
This is a really dumb question. If you don’t like the show, then you don’t like it. So what if the criticisms are stupid, let them have their opinion? Someone’s never heard of subjectivity
Vaturna said: These are probably the main reasons why I don't like it as much:
I can't root for the characters. Frieren's goal to find Aureol and to see Himmel again is a weird antithesis to her goal of living in the present, but the story never really comments on that. While I can sympathize with her, wanting to speak with dead people just to say goodbye or to indulge in old memories feels degenerate.
Everything is so vague that I can only guess what anyone's motivation really is. Is Frieren still dedicating her life to hunt down demons or what exactly are her long-term goals? As for Fern and Stark, they barely have any goals for their journey other than to stick with Frieren like their masters told them. What do these two want to do with their life? On top of that the characters barely show any emotions and regularly complain about their own lack of excitement during the journey. And all the cringy, shounen-typical character reactions make me really unsure what about the characters is meant to be genuine and what not.
Aside from the motivation problem, I wholeheartedly hate Frieren's world and its approach to fantasy. It feels like a parody, everything is so intentionally generic, much more than any isekai I've ever seen. Nothing really fits together. The power of magic is so disproportional to the slow, modest lives of everyone we meet. Maybe it's just on me, but I can't make sense of anything the author writes.
Why do humans know nothing about the nature of demons even though demons have been an existential thread for hundreds/thousands of years? Why is Aura fighting against some random town for 28 years instead of just going somewhere else where they don't have such a cool barrier? If humanity's understanding of magic is constantly evolving why are people still relying on Flamme's 1000 years old barrier spells to protect themselves from demons?
What exactly is the reason why Frieren's party can't travel to the Northern Lands unless one of them is a mage of the highest rank? Given all the effort that is put into the exams, is being a mage of the first rank tied to any obligations? Why are the rules of the mage exam designed to kill people even though good mages are rare and highly valuable (Wirbel lost to Fern but wasn't disqualified because Fern refused to kill him)?
Why did the hero party retire after defeating the demon king instead of continuing to hunt down demons? How do normal people deal with the constant treat of being attacked by monsters? What are dungeons? What's the point of the hero title and the hero sword in the stone?
I'm OK with fiction not having to make perfect sense, but Frieren relies too heavily on its vague backstory that this overdose of tropes completely throws me out of the experience.
Here is an honest suggestion, calm down, relax, breathe, stop thinking so hard, have some fun, watch the show as a kid, then maybe you’d like it.
@ejleon that sounds very stupid, "hey, just ignore everything poorly justified, not explained, contradictory or nonsensical and the show becomes good"
@ejleon that sounds very stupid, "hey, just ignore everything poorly justified, not explained, contradictory or nonsensical and the show becomes good"
@rodmanii Your first mistake is believing anime will make sense, your second mistake is pointing it out. There are more important things in life, touch grass.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.
It isn't bad, but it isn't for me
I've seen similar themes tackled in a way I felt was more nuanced and more interesting in other anime
The characters are pretty simple and the themes rely on being pretty shallow (not in a bad way, just for a lack of a better word) in order for the catharsis to be as impactful as it can so there isn't much for me to be invested and think about when watching
@rodmanii Your first mistake is believing anime will make sense, your second mistake is pointing it out. There are more important things in life, touch grass.
@ejleon again, very stupid, some people like an history making sense and some authors like making an history that makes sense, but yeah, you probably should stick to children anime so you can continue to turn your brain off.
@ejleon again, very stupid, some people like an history making sense and some authors like making an history that makes sense, but yeah, you probably should stick to children anime so you can continue to turn your brain off.
@rodmanii I’m not the one looking for a “realistic / historical” story, in the millions of fictional stories in anime.
You want realistic and historical, read a history book.
Unlike you, I know the difference because I use my brain to research Social Science & Science, as well as when I watch anime.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.
I like Frieren, my only critique is one episode specifically: I don’t remember which number was it, but there was this episode where Sein and the group had to help this old lady to clean a statue, which later they find out that it is a statue of Sein’s friend, which he is searching. The ending was fine, especially the reveal, but the rest of the episode got me a little bored but I just can’t recall why tho. And I’m not the type to say “I don’t like this side quests bs” because I liked the rest of sosou no Frieren.
dude. there are media that are OBJECTIVELY good, believe it or not. But there will always be a group of people ranting about it just to make themselves feel better.
"Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo? Or are you Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest?"~ Suguru Geto
@rodmanii I’m not the one looking for a “realistic / historical” story, in the millions of fictional stories in anime.
You want realistic and historical, read a history book.
Unlike you, I know the difference because I use my brain to research Social Science & Science, as well as when I watch anime.
@ejleon a story doesnt need to be realistic in order to make sense, as the commet you were replying to pointed out frieren is very vague non specific logic lacking in things anyone may question out of common sense
rodmanii said: @ejleon a story doesnt need to be realistic in order to make sense, as the commet you were replying to pointed out frieren is very vague non specific logic lacking in things anyone may question out of common sense
The comment was a person overthinking and over analyzing anime that was not trying to be too deep or meaningful, neither was it trying to be perfectly logical and sensical.
Their entire first paragraph is filled with questions that do not matter and are just wonderings that are only important to them personally. I don’t see that it will progress the story at all.
That’s the problem, you people who have to point out the slightest mistake or something you personally want to know.
Hence my reaction, relax, calm down, breathe, don’t think so hard, touch grass, it is just not that important in the scheme of things.
Hey, I will also point out things I don’t like or get too, but I also know I can’t expect too much from anime, so I don’t over think it, I just go with the flow.
Even live action Shows & Movies are illogical and nonsensical many times, but they can still be fun to watch.
It is a waste of time, energy, emotional and metal activity to act like you two.
ejleon1 hour ago
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.