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Oct 15, 2024 7:31 AM
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How much will it cover? I hope for all of part 3 over 3 cours
Oct 15, 2024 10:44 AM
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I guess based on previous volume to season ratio it might only take two depending on how they pace it
Oct 15, 2024 6:04 PM
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Bookwormlife said:
I guess based on previous volume to season ratio it might only take two depending on how they pace it

seems about right. hope we get some news soon!
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Oct 15, 2024 8:19 PM
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I guess based on previous volume to season ratio it might only take two depending on how they pace it
@Bookwormlife I mean, how much "arc" does part 3 contain again?

Did I miss anything else?

So based on that, 2 cours min to adapt part 3 fully. This ofc may bloat up to 3-4 cours (spread over 2 seasons) , or maybe 2 cours (1 season) + a movie or some OVAs, if they are being generous. Afterall, unlike the prev parts 1 & 2, part 3 and beyond barely have any contents that can be cut off from its adaptations w/o ruining the stories (especially part 5 worth 3-4 cours at the VERY least on its own!!!).

That being said, they could just brush off
as a montage instead, cutting down several EPs in the process. But no way in hell they would cut short any of the
. And
is just way too emotional to brush off as a montage as well. So even with those being shortened to a montage, we'd still be left with materials just over a cour length, hence 2 cours min.

I'd love them to make the end for part 3 to be:
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Nov 24, 2024 3:30 PM
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I'm honestly a little bit worried about that. From the picture that's on MAL Right now, that is the picture they use for the last book in the series. This series is 40 books longish. It's kind of hard to keep track because they have parts and volumes but I think I'm in the ballpark. I just finished the series and it is fabulous, but it is only fabulous if they take their time with it. The rest of the content of the light novels is not going to fit easily or neatly into a 24 episode season at all. They could easily fit a whole season of just Rozemyne after she disappears at school. Possibly two seasons actually. Not to mention there's the whole thing with Charlotte, there's just so much content to cover. I have no idea how they would possibly fit everything remaining into just two half seasons. And I'm worried because the light novel and the anime are both precious to me. The light novel is my number one favorite, the anime is probably number two right now.
Dec 1, 2024 1:56 PM
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I'm honestly a little bit worried about that. From the picture that's on MAL Right now, that is the picture they use for the last book in the series. This series is 40 books longish. It's kind of hard to keep track because they have parts and volumes but I think I'm in the ballpark. I just finished the series and it is fabulous, but it is only fabulous if they take their time with it. The rest of the content of the light novels is not going to fit easily or neatly into a 24 episode season at all. They could easily fit a whole season of just Rozemyne after she disappears at school. Possibly two seasons actually. Not to mention there's the whole thing with Charlotte, there's just so much content to cover. I have no idea how they would possibly fit everything remaining into just two half seasons. And I'm worried because the light novel and the anime are both precious to me. The light novel is my number one favorite, the anime is probably number two right now.
@sisngood

Part 1 - 3 volumes
Part 2 - 4 volumes
Part 3 - 5 volumes
Part 4 - 9 volimes
Part 5 - 12 volumes.
There are also 8 fanbooks (side stories, commentary, Q/A, art)
And the there's short story compilation (at least 3 volumes possibly more.

As far as I know this season is going solely stick to part 3 (adopted daughter of the archduke) I'm of the opinion that part 3 should be 24+ episodes if they cover everything. It took the 28 episodes to cover the first 5 volumes. I also think that a OVA should be released to help cover the transition (almost half of part 2 volume 4 was alternative perspectives - Sylvester, in the anime was portrayed as fairly heartless but in the LN he really agonized and grieved over his decision but that's currently missing from the anime
Jan 17, 4:59 PM
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@Bookwormlife I mean, how much "arc" does part 3 contain again?

Did I miss anything else?

So based on that, 2 cours min to adapt part 3 fully. This ofc may bloat up to 3-4 cours (spread over 2 seasons) , or maybe 2 cours (1 season) + a movie or some OVAs, if they are being generous. Afterall, unlike the prev parts 1 & 2, part 3 and beyond barely have any contents that can be cut off from its adaptations w/o ruining the stories (especially part 5 worth 3-4 cours at the VERY least on its own!!!).

That being said, they could just brush off
as a montage instead, cutting down several EPs in the process. But no way in hell they would cut short any of the
. And
is just way too emotional to brush off as a montage as well. So even with those being shortened to a montage, we'd still be left with materials just over a cour length, hence 2 cours min.

I'd love them to make the end for part 3 to be:
@uncleqrow No, please, I need Hayami Show to do it. If they put enough work into the visuals and music, it would be the best part of the season. My life could then end with no regrets xD.
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Feb 9, 4:57 AM
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This estimate only works if you haven't watched the first 3 seasons. They are more than willing to sacrifice things on the altar of pacing - they will pluck out the key moments, sure, but the idea that some of these things need 2-3 eps rather than being the 5 minute climax of 1 ep is more than a little naive. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see part 3 entirely covered in 1 cour. I'm hoping for a full cour this time rather than just 10 eps, but either way it fits in 1.
Apr 10, 2:28 AM
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I suspect that the change in studio and the announcement that season 4 will cover all of part 3 has to do with Miya Kazuki's dissatisfaction with Ajia do's sabotage of the end of part 2. It appears that she doesn't hesitate to state her thoughts and wishes (which is good). Ajia do completely skipped everything that had to do with her restaurant AND everything that had to do with Johan (the blacksmith). This is beyond incompetent considering how both will matter so much in part 3 and forward. And that is without considering how they failed so hard with the climax of part 2, which, as far as i can tell, may be the most important moment in the whole series (i am only reading part 4 currently). This climax was the turning point of the story, and there will be a before and an after. They needed to truly commit to it. They half-assed it and the intensity is lost. This is unforgivable.

Honzuki is so popular in Japan that she has started to write spin-offs to the series. Meaning that at this point, we are not in a situation where she has to be grateful they adapt her work. It is now the opposite: producers have to be grateful she allows them to make money with her work. I doubt Ajia do's failure with season 3 went unnoticed.
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I suspect that the change in studio and the announcement that season 4 will cover all of part 3 has to do with Miya Kazuki's dissatisfaction with Ajia do's sabotage of the end of part 2. It appears that she doesn't hesitate to state her thoughts and wishes (which is good). Ajia do completely skipped everything that had to do with her restaurant AND everything that had to do with Johan (the blacksmith). This is beyond incompetent considering how both will matter so much in part 3 and forward. And that is without considering how they failed so hard with the climax of part 2, which, as far as i can tell, may be the most important moment in the whole series (i am only reading part 4 currently). This climax was the turning point of the story, and there will be a before and an after. They needed to truly commit to it. They half-assed it and the intensity is lost. This is unforgivable.

Honzuki is so popular in Japan that she has started to write spin-offs to the series. Meaning that at this point, we are not in a situation where she has to be grateful they adapt her work. It is now the opposite: producers have to be grateful she allows them to make money with her work. I doubt Ajia do's failure with season 3 went unnoticed.
@Nox--- Whether or not it's Aija-Do's fault isn't certain though. Often times directors, storyboarders, etc tend to get contracted in to the studios to do the adaption work while the studio does the production and animation work. That certainly isn't always the case, but Aija-do did a very good job with Seasons 1 and 2, and they've done a great job adapting their other works too. It's really impossible to know where the blame lies for S3's cuts, but I think either way a studio change would've been needed since S4 (part 3) is going to need better animation production than what Aija-do was capable of doing.


Don't get me wrong, Aija-do did a fine job animating and producing the show, it wasn't outstanding or perfect by any means but it was solid, especially the first 2 seasons. But I don't think they could keep the production solid enough to support the story going forward from this point and that's where I think the bigger problem was. The fact that the production committee and publisher have been (At least I hopefully assume so) pushing for this to get a better adaption is a good thing given that outside of popular "hits" that bring in loads of money this is quite rare.
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Apr 15, 3:52 AM
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@Nox--- Whether or not it's Aija-Do's fault isn't certain though. Often times directors, storyboarders, etc tend to get contracted in to the studios to do the adaption work while the studio does the production and animation work. That certainly isn't always the case, but Aija-do did a very good job with Seasons 1 and 2, and they've done a great job adapting their other works too. It's really impossible to know where the blame lies for S3's cuts, but I think either way a studio change would've been needed since S4 (part 3) is going to need better animation production than what Aija-do was capable of doing.


Don't get me wrong, Aija-do did a fine job animating and producing the show, it wasn't outstanding or perfect by any means but it was solid, especially the first 2 seasons. But I don't think they could keep the production solid enough to support the story going forward from this point and that's where I think the bigger problem was. The fact that the production committee and publisher have been (At least I hopefully assume so) pushing for this to get a better adaption is a good thing given that outside of popular "hits" that bring in loads of money this is quite rare.
@MewsicMagic I reviewed the anime, and up to season 2, i did say in my review that Ajia do did a good job. Although the one dark point is how they skipped the restaurant (called italian but actually mostly french) and Johan. Considering the whole thing with Sylvester and the restaurant in part 3, and the fact that Johan will be instrumental to push foward the main plot... Yes, i have read a bit more of the original story than i did when i reviewed Season 1 and 2 and i can tell that skipping those is very much incompetent. It is as if they adapted part 1 and 2 without having a clue what was coming next.

I actually haven't even watched the whole Season 3. I have seen bits of the climax, and this didn't make me want to watch the whole thing. And i have read plenty of complaints about it, too. The main problem i see with the original novels is the utter lack of descriptions. Even the illustrator only draws characters and not once does she draw the world itself (and so, i don't like her work, since i consider that most of her illustrations bring nothing to the table). This clearly made the adaptation work pretty difficult for Ajia Do. Especially when it comes to presenting the world itself that is neither described nor depicted in the original work. Ajia Do did more than decently in this regard. And so, S3 ended up being a surprising let down. Again, this climax is so important that if i were the author, i would be scandalised by how they sabotaged it. That was the ONE thing they weren't allowed to fail with. And there is no way Miya Kazuki doesn't have an opinion on the matter. The only question is if she voiced it.
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@MewsicMagic I reviewed the anime, and up to season 2, i did say in my review that Ajia do did a good job. Although the one dark point is how they skipped the restaurant (called italian but actually mostly french) and Johan. Considering the whole thing with Sylvester and the restaurant in part 3, and the fact that Johan will be instrumental to push foward the main plot... Yes, i have read a bit more of the original story than i did when i reviewed Season 1 and 2 and i can tell that skipping those is very much incompetent. It is as if they adapted part 1 and 2 without having a clue what was coming next.

I actually haven't even watched the whole Season 3. I have seen bits of the climax, and this didn't make me want to watch the whole thing. And i have read plenty of complaints about it, too. The main problem i see with the original novels is the utter lack of descriptions. Even the illustrator only draws characters and not once does she draw the world itself (and so, i don't like her work, since i consider that most of her illustrations bring nothing to the table). This clearly made the adaptation work pretty difficult for Ajia Do. Especially when it comes to presenting the world itself that is neither described nor depicted in the original work. Ajia Do did more than decently in this regard. And so, S3 ended up being a surprising let down. Again, this climax is so important that if i were the author, i would be scandalised by how they sabotaged it. That was the ONE thing they weren't allowed to fail with. And there is no way Miya Kazuki doesn't have an opinion on the matter. The only question is if she voiced it.
@Nox--- Yeah I can understand that, to be fair that's why I'm most worried about Wit Studio taking over. I'd say there's a 95% chance we get a whole new team of directors and story boarders working on S4 at Wit. I'm sure Wit Studio can provide a good improvement over Aija-do In animation quality, but the bigger thing for me was always how well they adapt it. Like you said, bookworm doesn't have a lot of "explanations" and extra details and such, making a "good" adaption of the work harder to do.

I have confidence in Wit Studio's ability to consistently make good quality productions, but the production was never what made Bookworm enjoyable for me, it's the story, world and of course the characters. I'd really like for them to release at least a teaser if anything so we can see the staff working on the adaption because until then I have nothing to do but be skeptical.
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@Nox--- Yeah I can understand that, to be fair that's why I'm most worried about Wit Studio taking over. I'd say there's a 95% chance we get a whole new team of directors and story boarders working on S4 at Wit. I'm sure Wit Studio can provide a good improvement over Aija-do In animation quality, but the bigger thing for me was always how well they adapt it. Like you said, bookworm doesn't have a lot of "explanations" and extra details and such, making a "good" adaption of the work harder to do.

I have confidence in Wit Studio's ability to consistently make good quality productions, but the production was never what made Bookworm enjoyable for me, it's the story, world and of course the characters. I'd really like for them to release at least a teaser if anything so we can see the staff working on the adaption because until then I have nothing to do but be skeptical.
@MewsicMagic I don't think i saw a lot of Wit animes. Maybe Titan season 1? But overall i agree. While it does matter in some cases (like in sports animes), i never considered animation quality to be the most important thing, either. I agree with your hopes and worries, too.
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Nox--- said:
@MewsicMagic I reviewed the anime, and up to season 2, i did say in my review that Ajia do did a good job. Although the one dark point is how they skipped the restaurant (called italian but actually mostly french) and Johan. Considering the whole thing with Sylvester and the restaurant in part 3, and the fact that Johan will be instrumental to push foward the main plot... Yes, i have read a bit more of the original story than i did when i reviewed Season 1 and 2 and i can tell that skipping those is very much incompetent. It is as if they adapted part 1 and 2 without having a clue what was coming next.

I actually haven't even watched the whole Season 3. I have seen bits of the climax, and this didn't make me want to watch the whole thing. And i have read plenty of complaints about it, too. The main problem i see with the original novels is the utter lack of descriptions. Even the illustrator only draws characters and not once does she draw the world itself (and so, i don't like her work, since i consider that most of her illustrations bring nothing to the table). This clearly made the adaptation work pretty difficult for Ajia Do. Especially when it comes to presenting the world itself that is neither described nor depicted in the original work. Ajia Do did more than decently in this regard. And so, S3 ended up being a surprising let down. Again, this climax is so important that if i were the author, i would be scandalised by how they sabotaged it. That was the ONE thing they weren't allowed to fail with. And there is no way Miya Kazuki doesn't have an opinion on the matter. The only question is if she voiced it.

completely agree, that more descriptions of the world, and more illustrations would do a whole lot of good. I am currently rereading part 4 and 5, and I often im thinking "I would really love for the next page to be an Illustration showing this or that" and it nearly never is an actual Illustration :(

But this is still one of the best stories I have ever read, even if I would love for there to be a part 6, even if just planned.
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Nox--- said:
@MewsicMagic I reviewed the anime, and up to season 2, i did say in my review that Ajia do did a good job. Although the one dark point is how they skipped the restaurant (called italian but actually mostly french) and Johan. Considering the whole thing with Sylvester and the restaurant in part 3, and the fact that Johan will be instrumental to push foward the main plot... Yes, i have read a bit more of the original story than i did when i reviewed Season 1 and 2 and i can tell that skipping those is very much incompetent. It is as if they adapted part 1 and 2 without having a clue what was coming next.

I actually haven't even watched the whole Season 3. I have seen bits of the climax, and this didn't make me want to watch the whole thing. And i have read plenty of complaints about it, too. The main problem i see with the original novels is the utter lack of descriptions. Even the illustrator only draws characters and not once does she draw the world itself (and so, i don't like her work, since i consider that most of her illustrations bring nothing to the table). This clearly made the adaptation work pretty difficult for Ajia Do. Especially when it comes to presenting the world itself that is neither described nor depicted in the original work. Ajia Do did more than decently in this regard. And so, S3 ended up being a surprising let down. Again, this climax is so important that if i were the author, i would be scandalised by how they sabotaged it. That was the ONE thing they weren't allowed to fail with. And there is no way Miya Kazuki doesn't have an opinion on the matter. The only question is if she voiced it.

completely agree, that more descriptions of the world, and more illustrations would do a whole lot of good. I am currently rereading part 4 and 5, and I often im thinking "I would really love for the next page to be an Illustration showing this or that" and it nearly never is an actual Illustration :(

But this is still one of the best stories I have ever read, even if I would love for there to be a part 6, even if just planned.
@LovisR Indeed. The illustrations for "The Lord of the Rings" have become beyond iconic if you know what i mean. And for sure, there were a whole lot more on those than just Frodo or Gandalf. It was a window on the Middle Earth. But the illustrator for Honzuki doesn't even offer the smallest glimpse of the window itself, let alone the view that spreads through it.
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I don't recall seeing a lot of illustrations for the world in other LNs either. Just doesn't seem to be what LN authors get paid (by the publishing company) to draw. A lot of the "world illustrations" for Tolkien were not commissions for a book, but rather other artists making paintings or calendars based off of LotR to sell to fans, using the popularity of the franchise.

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