This show getting as popular as possible is the best possible thing for the anime industry

CreepHazard said:

My proof is the show and manga are still insanely popular and OPM is moderately famous inside Japan unlike AoT

Badguy_oncel said:
my man really thinks opm is more popualr than aot in japan. Listen aot popularty is more outside japan, that doesn't mean it's not popualr in japan. Kid really thinks opm gets more views. Even after manga ended and the hype is nowhere near p1 hype, it will still comfortably beat opm lol. Ok now I'm done here

Apolygon2 said:
being able to afford 12 different endings and animating the shit out of the most unimportant possible scenes is not just talent. it takes time, man power and a lot of money.

Gween_Gween said:

And is completely irrelevant and just made to get quick exposure from social media, good job MAPPA! How would the anime industry be without animating each fold of Aki's shirt?

thunderkitten13 said:
No, this show’s popularity is not a good thing, because it is inconsistent in quality, has terrible character development, story is basic and uninspired, and to top it all off it promotes the use of bad CGI. Can’t wait to see more characters animated in that signature plastic CGI style, thank you so much chainsaw man.

Helenafin said:
You people still think that it’s the budget that made CSM look the way it does lmao? Demon Slayer has a lower budget per episode than Death Note and Attack on Titan yet Demon Slayer is on a whole different level. Mappa’s money mostly went into the marketing which didn’t even last much.

Apolygon2 said:
you can't tell me more anime doing that would be bad.

Gween_Gween said:

More anime shifting resources into substanceless animation for impressionable people and being comfortable at such equilibrium? That would be bad in my eyes

Apolygon2 said:


1. characters and story have nothing to do with my point, I think you're wrong about them, but they don't matter anyways so idk why you even brought them up in this context

2. BUDGET. it's the staff and directors choice to know how to use that. CSM using some out of place 3d is not going to get promoted if it succeeds. I mean come on, the not great cg is barely in the show. the only shots that I disliked were from episode 1, and they were VERY short and few.

3. even if cgi starts getting more used, it's honestly not that bad. 3d in anime has been getting better and better over time. so by the end of this decade, the 3d of anime should be on a completely different level. Hoping studios don't use cgi is dumb, I think we should hope they get better at doing it,

and to be fair, CSM is really good at using cgi FOR THE MOST PART. again I agree that some shots look janky, but 99% of the show looks stunning. and a lot of that is thanks to the actually well implemented cgi.

thunderkitten13 said:

I can’t even take you seriously if you don’t know the basic concept of what a trend is, and how anime literally revolves around them…

Apolygon2 said:


bruh no one uses words like equilibrium in a normal conversation. this is a mal forum, doing it just makes you sound pretentious, not smarter.

and listen, a different director could do a completely different thing with the budget. more money just means more freedom. trying to pin flaws you see with this particular show on my argument is just idiotic.

what ever show is your favorite in terms of production. could have been better with more recourses.

there are cases were limitations result in more creative solutions, but those never happen at high budget shows anyways.


the normal budget for massive titles getting bigger has 0 negative affects. I can't imagine how you can spin this as a bad thing.

Gween_Gween said:

More money doesn't necessarily mean more freedom when you are trying to make your adaptation succeed to cover the budget. If you don't understand how then just go back to my first comment

Apolygon2 said:


If by this you mean the limitations of creating massive titles, those exist for shit like demon slayer, my hero or any other mainstream title too.

those limitations are not from the money, they are from the nature of what they are adapting.

if chainsawman had a smaller budget, it would still not be able to do super risky things.

Ridzaxster said:
I don't agree with what you say, chainsaw man is the biggest anime of the year, not in all anime. if CSM popularity surpasses JJK's, then I'll take my words back.

Gween_Gween said:

"Since constraints exist in any anime adaptation, the decisions existing on CSM are not related to its high budget and risk"

I surely love your theory

Apolygon2 said:
surely you get that this most likely happened purely because the producer had to go all out with this project so he wanted to make it as safe as possible.

Apolygon2 said:
and all that said, I've seen interviews of the director saying the realistic cinematic angel they went for was his choice, so I'm not even sure I believe what you sent

Gween_Gween said:

Yes, this was my point the whole time, congratulations. Your original point was:
> Mappa has taken a risk by pouring so much into this. meaning if this blows up even more than what the they expected, more studios will realize that making extremely high budget adaptations of wildly loved sources is the way to go.
So my point is:
> Studios already know that. If CSM teaches something, is that you can get away with safe decisions if you can pander to an impressionable audience. Many studios wouldn't sacrifice their vision for that


The producer and the director align, which is the reason for his selection. Also, PR exists. They lied about Fujimoto investment in the adaptation anyways, why would you trust interviews?

Apolygon2 said:



so it was the directors choice!

ok let me explain to you what I mean because you don't seem to get my point.

giant titles like demon slayer, CSM or jujutsu kaisen, don't do experimental. of course the director still has control, CSM could have just as easily gone for the jjk style if the producer and director were different people, but these types of shows never go too ham with being experimental.


my point was, giant shows like CSM have those limitations anyways. CSM was never going to look like sonny boy or madoka magica. name me one major shounen title that didn't play it safe.

if anything, chainsawman's more realistic approach while being an attempt to make it more mainstream, IS more experimental than most of them.

these types of shows always play it this safe, CSM is not an exception in that regard, it's just the norm.

it's only difference is that it has a bigger budget.


these numbers are made up, but just to give you the perceptive.

if they aren't willing to take a risk on a 500milion dollar project, they wouldn't take one for a 100 million dollar one either.

sadly the days "evangelion just blew up" are over.

these days the likes of sonny boy are the biggest projects we're going to get in terms of being out there. and I will promise you that outside of the major shounen stuff, if budgets this big become the norm, we can get super creative stuff with extremely high budgets too.

I mean madoka magica rebellion happened, and so did end of evangelion. now those were movies, but nothing says they can't be a series in the future.

Gween_Gween said:

Big shounens are inherently not experimental, right? They come from heavily marketed magazines. The difference comes from stripping or not stripping down the qualities of the source from the perspective of keeping your anime safe from failure

Apolygon2 said:
If the director and producer were different people, this could have easily not have happened. it was their choice, and obviously when the 2 people in charge have that mindset this happens.

Gween_Gween said:

That is a huge "If". Your point boils down that MAPPA took a risk and decided to fully invest in an adaptation of an already successful manga to make it as bombastic and attractive as possible to get success, so new shounen should go through this route if we as the audience prove it as a worthy path. The problem is that everyone knows that if you put more resources into a system then you can get more results, there is nothing inherently innovative there. Hence, the only interesting part is how MAPPA is approaching the risk, that is what the anime is ultimately pushing, which I deem as not worthy of further exploration. That is our disagreement. If you backtrack and just say "This shows that big budget big animation" then your post is just useless mumble, everyone knows that. The important part is the risk.

Midio7 said:

jesus christ, can you people oversell this anime even more? Just watch your anime and be quiet, CSM is no god-send piece of work.

Apolygon2 said:


I genuinely don't think demon slayer looks as good as death note or pre s4 aot, but that's besides the point.

I don't think the budget = good production

I think budget and talent > talent

chainsawman's production is unachievable without an extremely high budget.

it doesn't use tricks to create the illusion of having a movie quality production like demon slayer, it actually is a near movie level production.

the best a show will look with pure talent is OPM s1, which does look almost as good as CSM.

but this level of attention to the most none important scenes, while still having enough money to have 12 different endings produced doesn't just come from talent. it also takes a lot of man power, time and money.

like yes, 1 talented artist can make a great looking sakuga scene. which is why the best of most big shows, aren't that different from the best scenes of chainsawman.

but if the difference is, without this much money, you can't have every scene have that much care put into it.

demon slayer which you used as an example, looks extremely still outside of it's fight scenes. ufotable is good at hiding it since they are amazing at doing 3d camera movement and lighting, but outside of the action shots the animation is EXTREMELY lacking. specially compared to a show like CSM.

the none action scenes being this smooth is something you only see in anime MOVIES. they aren't normal. you don't get them without a massive budget.

Helenafin said:

Now you’re just being biased. Demon Slayer is considered the standard for animation in Japan and it won so many awards for its animation. It was even crowned as the anime of the decade. The story might be mid, but Demon Slayer is still better animated than CSM will ever be.

Ridzaxster said:
I don't agree with what you say, chainsaw man is the biggest anime of the year, not in all anime. if CSM popularity surpasses JJK's, then I'll take my words back.

BilboBaggins365 said:
I get what you are saying unlike some of your typical morons that need to jump in with how they don't like x popular action shonen. Still I mean I don't know why this specifically needs to see success really. It's just a matter of the anime industry seeing more and more money industry wide which is why CSM is getting this production.

Honestly for the health of the industry I think it's more important that originals especially for unique concepts do well. Battle shonen are always for the most part for sure gambles. MAPPA was sure taking some risk but not really that much. CSM was going to be popular you just had to look at the manga sales to see that.

Helenafin said:

Now you’re just being biased. Demon Slayer is considered the standard for animation in Japan and it won so many awards for its animation. It was even crowned as the anime of the decade. The story might be mid, but Demon Slayer is still better animated than CSM will ever be.

Badguy_oncel said:
"jc staff is not know for flawless animation"
Looks like the kid hasn't watched railgun index series. Watch more anime kid.

"One punch man s1 had talented freelancers who didn't return for s2 "
I literally said the same thing to other guy. It's not my fault if you have some reading issues.

I was talking about profit not budget kid. Production quality doesn't involve only budget. Why are you bringing up budget?
The main purpose of anime is to boost up manga sales. Now 30m is good but it's not anything extrodinary and anime in 2015 was still niche, people started recognizing anime only during pandemic time when they had lot of time to watch. Opm s1 was not a block buster hit.

Ofcourse there are exception like vinland saga and mob were passion triumphs greed